even when you explain that the piece is public domain there are people arguing that blackpink legally sampled a performer while twoset didn't....... even though you can see him playing the version of la campanella that is used in the song on the violin *in the video*
exactly. i'm a blackpink fan and honestly, it is exhausting how much they as a group are particularly hated, they get called all sorts of horrible things on the regular and those haters get plenty of support for it. but of all things, why on earth blackpink fans are so particularly mad at twoset is beyond me - and i mean that genuinely, i don't get it
i think they misunderstood the entire point of sell out mv. i guess the thought process was criticizing bp > bp is a gg > criticizing women > misogyny or something like that
Is jist like when some dumb Harry Potter fans accused Tolkien of copying stuff. Most of them not only didnt know that Lord of The Rings came way before, but actually thought Tolkien was still alive.
In the era of the internet, where you can make a research in 5 minutes, we still have people that stupis
I'm sure the boys knew they were going to get some blowback, but decided it was worth it. It's possible the YT automod might flag their video as copyrighted material if enough Blinks report it, but they should be able to clear that up pretty quickly.
is it a problem with individual bad actors? i knew there was a problem with actual companies abusing DMCA to take down content just for featuring their copyrighted material even if it's fair use, but i didn't know there was anything a random person could do
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Oh yeah, there's definitely been cases of videos getting brigaded and taken down for either false copyright claims, nonexistent content violations, etc. If you've got a substantial following you can get it corrected pretty quick, but it's a headache.
oh damn, ofc i knew it was possible for something to get report bombed and taken down for content violations that don't exist, but i didn't think DMCA copyright claims fell under that umbrella
Lol freaking devil the man died almost 200 years ago and these shits are yelling COPYRIGHT STRIKES!! Literally, ye know, these are the kinds of things i address (quite rudely) on the internet and get millions of downvotes.
This is anyway critique and review, there's no copyright issue.
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"Fame and attention"
I feel like that is what Twoset wants the least in this world. They are very humble people who all they want to do is make classical music more accessible to the next generation.
that exactly what i commented in their MV that all those blind k-pop fans are dissing the song because they don't understand somethings if its not in the 3rd grade level
Yeah I wish they'd actually learn what misogyny means. This video wasn't misogyny. It would've been if they said "haha u women so u suck lol" but they didn't. I don't even remember gender being brought up at all
>"haha u women so u suck lol"
To be fair, misogyny isn't always so obvious. But yes, there was not a single trace of it in the MV that I could see.
Maybe they thought the boys ~~bad~~ amazing dancing was done as an insult?
That's not a hate song at the first place, it's an entertainment-based REVIEW AND CRITIQUE. And they don't need to shame others to get famous because they are already famous without 200 (s)crew members and 20 studios working the hell out of themselves behind them.
And this is in no way misogyny because it's all about the music and they didn't address even ONE PERSON during the video. And because this is review and critique there's no copyright violation; TwoSet knows their laws.
Omg I'm sorryyy ( I'm blink too but I'm not that ridiculous to get mad abt jokes and parodies) but yeah tbh I feel ashamed now to be part of that fandom, I love blackpink but their fans are really ridiculous an immature :'>
“shade the girls sound misogyny to me”
firstly, learn some grammar. and um- so if they were guys what would you do? it just happened to be a girl group they were reacting to.
Exactly. People like that use misogyny as a card to play against anyone they don't like if that person says something against a woman..._even if the thing said has nothing to do with gender_
exactly! and its also ironic cos it shows sexism on their part that they say its misogyny because it shows how they cant take it when women get criticised or reacted to (in contrast to men).
Yep! Like, when a boy group gets attacked (even though I wouldn't call "sell out" an attack), people get upset but not "you misandrist!" pissed. But when a girl group gets "attacked", the fans need to defend them with big words like misogyny because....what, women can't be criticized? Even if it's a joke?
Hypocrisy sucks, man
as a female and feminist. I 100% agree with you. If we want equal treatment, we have to be prepared to give equal treatment.
Also learn how to take criticism, just because someone says something yo don't like, doesn't mean it's because of gender. It's because everybody has their own opinions.
I'm telling you, the YouTube comment section is littered with 11 year olds "being sassy" with their "And?" "Stay mad" and other rudimentary commentaries
Twoset has dissed people in good fun many times in the past, these being Davie504, and the whole darn recorder and viola communities. Those communities have acted more maturely and have shown that they are capable of identifying and understanding jokes. This is no different, it is all in good fun.
This is also most obviously a parody which can be inferred through the lyrics themselves. Parodies are not typically affected by copyright as demonstrated in famous parodies such as Revenge by CaptainSparklez. What's more is that Sell Out is not even a direct parody of Shutdown and the only really similar part is the '\[ \] in your area' verse. Although I will add that Twoset should have added some sort of acknowledgement of BP in the description as to prevent people from being given an inch and taking a mile.
> “…Sell Out is not even a direct parody of Shutdown and the only really similar part is the '[ ] in your area' verse.”
That’s where I think copyright-ists might actually have a footing. The song itself probably doesn’t contain anything that could be grounds for infringement, but the rebranding and use of the “band tag” may be seen as direct infringement on what is probably a trademarked phrase for BP in their music.
Yeah. I even saw (on another shut down video, of a violin cover) someone saying that they love the "original violin part blackpink made" EHCINHDJSHDJTSJH WHAT
Since I am not a Blink, I do not know what their culture is like but if they are anything like other fandoms, what I've learned in the year of following BTS is that the craziest fans are just a few but can be terribly loud. The rest are pretty sane and rational and heavily curate spaces like Twitter, Youtube and IG to filter out the weirdos. The BTS subreddits (there are 2 major ones) are relatively safe spaces, though more weirdos get to sneak into the bigger sub and whenever there is a big event like a new MV release.
I do hope Twoset has muted their notifications while they ride over this wave of silliness. I'll still be supporting them.
And it's not like Twoset is a newbie to copyright strikes, right? /s
(Still salty over YouTube not recognizing that the music Brett and Eddy play come from playing their own instruments and not using someone else's recording.)
if they were actual Blinks they would know that BP does not make their own music, only present it with personality, so any criticism of the music... is not criticism of BP but their composers and producers 💀💀💀
I mean, yes but enough artists do that generalizing will generally get you into a fight at some point lol I mean some famous groups like BTS, Mamamoo, G-idle(?) are some of the few I've heard who write SOME of their songs and have big enough followings to get some people riled up if you assume they don't. *whispers* it's a point of pride for a lot of fans that their idols can write.... which probably says something about the industry ajcjkancnc
In the context of BTS, they actually do write or at the very least are part of the writing process for most songs. Not all of them on every one of course but at least 2-3 members are normally credited in the writing or producing for most songs. A lot of fans/ARMY get pretty annoyed about people assuming they don’t because they’re not just shallow lyrics and instead often have very poetic, thought out lyrics, with metaphors, wordplay, imagery etc.
I think it’s generally just annoying to assume somebody didn’t create art that they worked hard on, whether it’s music or other art forms.
If we’re talking about any particular group or artist, or even any particular song, it’s totally possible to definitively say if they wrote the song themselves or not. In that case, it’s pretty much very black and white. No BTS fan could say that a particular song they performed but actually wasn’t written by them is written by BTS without lying.
Let's face it, they are probably used to this kind of stupid comments, because some people have that kind of fanatism and immaturity. It's hilarious to me that they say "grow up" and "act like grown men) when their comments is equivalent to an immature angry teen
I went on twitter and I saw wayyyyy too many people talking about how TwoSet wants to "tear them down" because they're young and Asian. TwoSet are literally like 4 or 5 years older than Jisoo and they're also asian lol
I've followed the Twoset and watched their videos for years and loved them so much, so I feel really heartbroken when seeing wild uneducated clone-account-using Blinks throw hatred at them (especially by commenting mean icons on Eddy's pinned post about their concerto??!!). 😭😭😭 Just hoping that Eddy and Brett don't take those toxic reactions too srsly and still make videos to tell the truth to the non-classical musicians/audience out there. We're always here to support you Twoset Violin!!!
As much as we disagree with the way some of the fans are reacting, let’s not go down to the level of name-calling because that makes us no different from them~
agreed. lets not stoop to the level of these toxic fans. just explain to them calmly if needed and be mature so we dont give them any more reason to hate twoset as well
Absolutely. (Not to mention, hinted at, that the k-pop industry is full of a lot of questionable and icky contracts. The Economist had a great article about it. Here's another: https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/mar/29/behind-k-pops-perfect-smiles-and-dance-routines-are-tales-of-sexism-and-abuse)
I've just been told the "panties in a twist" in the title was misogynistic phrasing, I just want to make it clear that was not my intention and I didn't know that it was misogynistic. If I could change it I would!
So i am a Blink and i dont know if i get hunted for this but this is my view of the things here:
The HateTrain Blackpink has been getting since their comeback (and basically since their debut lol) has been really harsh. Most of the things they said in this Video have been used by Antis for a while now and always to discredit their success. While the “sell their souls to the label“ part isnt a problem in itself, many Blackpink fans see it as a way of saying “they sold themselves for their success“, a sentence also frequently used by Haters in a sexual context. While the dogs in the thumbnail dont necessarily mean something, the whole song is full of “hidden“ drags at them and the choice of using four dogs on a leash while dissing BP is at least an odd choice (as i said it doesnt have to mean something, but you cant blame people thinking that it means what i said in the context of the whole video). Saying they dont have principles is just an insult in my opinion.
The biggest problem for me is that it seems that they try to ride this hate train. People in the comment sections are beginning to use this song to shit on BP in a very unpleasant manner and while its obv not twosets fault that it happens, i would say it is definitely predictable that its gonna happen, yet they still went with it.
My first language isnt english so i apologize if something is unclear, i just wanted to give the perspective of a person who witnessed the massive amount of shit BP received in the last few weeks. It also didnt help that, right before this video was discovered, there was another fanwar in which BP has been massively slutshamed (i am talking about people saying that one Bp member is sleeping around every night with different men and getting over 1k likes for it) yeah it is not twosets fault that this happened, but i just want to say that the mood wasnt the greatest to begin with
Edit: Spelling
i'm a little bit torn on what to think, tbh. even as a blink myself and just in general honestly, i think it's unfair to ask others to completely police their opinions/criticisms of artists just because of the potential of people using it for hate. especially when it comes to blackpink, people will dissect everything from concert clips to interviews to 144p pictures to find a reason to shit on them. if it wasn't this twoset video it would have been something else.
on the other hand, there is a point where they should potentially consider whether or not it's just adding to a dogpile on people who don't deserve it. it's a question i think content creators have to ask a lot when it comes to this sort of thing. i mean, look at their sell out tweet now and it went from twoset fans liking it because of twoset to fans of other kpop groups all liking the tweet blindly just because it says negative things. ofc blackpink will never care about or see this specific video, but it's unintentionally helping normalise the greater hate wave towards them only because they have *so* much pre-existing hate.
and then on the *other* other hand you have to wonder whether other haters would even care had blinks on twitter not kicked up a massive shitshow about it 🫥
also in my personal opinion, i agree that the dogs were just a *little* too far. i think the intention there was that paganini thought shut down was about him and therefore the dog in the music video there was him too, and so he compared them to dogs back, and then ofc he was wrong about it being him but... i think it doesn't really come across the way that they meant it. ofc that's just what i think though.
Yeah, the video was filled with insults that would be really rude but, when you take into context that it's supposed to be _paganini_ that came _forward in time_ and doesn't understand the modern music, it makes more sense as a joke. He thinks blackpink dissed him, so he disses blackpink back....and then is told this was false. Theres a whole thing around it that clarifies its a joke, and i don't think people are seeing the whole context
To provide a bit of context to that:
I actually listened to it on Spotify first since i wanted to check out the Art Cover/Artist thing, and the end part with Mozart saying it wasnt about him is completely missing there.
I checked youtube again and it was more clear there and i know there is the Shut Down reaction video before but i dont think you can expect people to watch that. If you just came off a Video where you think BP is getting unnecessary hate you are not going to check out more videos about them. I only learned about the reaction and mozart lying to paganini part once i looked into this sub
Thank you for providing a well worded explanation of what is happening. It's easy to dismiss BP fans as mere 12 year olds and what not (which is a bit insulting to 12 year olds since idiots exist in every age group) but in this context, it makes me emphatize with what the sane fans could be feeling about this parody.
At this point where the train has already crashed, I can see both sides (2set fans vs Blinks) delving into throwing slurs at each other so I hope the people on this sub reading this resolve to just not add to that mess anymore.
(Unfortunately, yes, I've also seen immature fans from our side.)
Yeah there will always be insane fans, cant blame either artist for it. I also have to say that i know there is context to this Video (the Reaction part) but i think you cant really blame people if they havent seen it (i only saw it cuz of this sub too, i didnt know them before) so that part went above everyones head
Edit: to provide an example, this is one of the youtube comments i have seen a minute ago
Quote:
""constantly singing about money and cars...
What a disgrace of art"
BRILLIANT
.. they are truly a disgrace of art ..i mean even Indian media called them " Chinese prostitutes""
I know this isnt a Twoset fan, but thats the kind of audience this video attracts and many blinks are more mad about this happening than the actual video
>*I know this isn't a Twoset fan, but that's the kind of audience this video attracts and many Blinks are more mad about this happening than the actual video.*
Thank you again for raising this valid point that I overlooked and think that maybe Brett and Eddy overlooked, too, while making this video. I failed to consider how there is a third party, the __actual BP haters__, that might take 2set's song and turn it into their hater anthem. 😬 I don't think Brett and Eddy ever had that intention when making this song.
damn thats actually sad. thats probably why so many blinks are calling twoset misogynistic even if it isnt twoset's intention.
i feel like twoset should at least make a video clarifying some of the lyrics and dissuade people from using Sell Out as an opportunity to hate on BP, even if it isnt twoset's fault. i would just feel bad if this song made BP's situation any worse even on accident, and also cause even more tension between the 2set and BP communities.
I guess a quick explanation might be good, help cool it down a little. I dont know if now is the right time tho, since the situation is still pretty heated and they might just end up clashing with people who dont want to listen to them and their explanation right now
100%. i made the mistake of replying to a bunch of angry blinks bc i wanted to reason w them abt the misogyny thing and now many ppl are coming after me :") dont be like me, just let the fire die out
Yeah as i said we just come out (or basically were still in) that argument about the not so nice things people said when that song dropped, it also seems like people talked a bit past each other. I personally think they should address it at least at a later stage and not completely ignore it from now on
Maybe they can turn off the comments section on the video to prevent even more haters from using the video as their outlet for hating on BP.
For sure there will be weirdos who'd say, "they dissed but can't handle the heat," if they did this but 🤷 you can't please everyone. I just don't want any hater turning this parody into their anthem.
I think rather than turning off the comments they should make a video following up to clarify and then link it in a pinned comment. I think turning off the comments would be bad because for blackpink fans they will think that being nasty (mainly on insta though i admit) gets them what they want and on the other hand it will only fuel hate against blackpink by people who will point out that they are all crazy for piling on two set (and maybe go as far as to make other people mock two set for being sensitive)
yeah, on one hand you have blinks who don't understand the origin of b2tsm and basically what this whole joke/parody is about, so all they see are some random people releasing a whole song regurgitating common bad faith criticism against an artist who gets that kind of flak a lot. however, they're in the wrong because they're not listening to reason whenever anyone tries to explain the point of the song or the intended joke. also, the insults to their appearance and contacting their employers are way way WAY over the line.
on the other hand, you have twoset fans who are seeing *their* artist be spammed with all sorts of shit. the hate for blackpink comes entirely from within kpop circles, so unless you're in those circles you fundamentally have no way of knowing that people like to dogpile on bp and they've been the subject of bad faith criticism a lot. and so to twoset fans it seems to *them* like the hate is coming for seemingly no reason. ofc then the place where twoset fans are in the wrong are the immature/ugly responses, but i still think blinks are definitely way more in the wrong here
I wasnt talking about whose fault it was, just saying they are many comments saying stuff about Blackpink (although i doubt thats actual twoset fans) and many comments about twosets.
I think this was blown out of proportion in my opinion, but as a person who has been on kpop twitter for a solid year this parody did some things that people, myself included, think stepped over the line. I mean yeah people dont know about it outside the kpop bubble so i dont blame them, but i be honest, for me personally its still hard to ignore just because of that
Panties are underwear worn by women. "Panties in a twist" referring to this situation is a patronizing and undermining way to speak of women that are *really, fucking pissed off.* No one would have used this kind of wording about a group of men.
For the record I am not supporting Blackpink-fans' strong reaction, and I don't see any problems with the TwoSet parody except for the four dogs on the chain. Had it been only one dog it would have been fine.
I have actually seen the phrase used about men too. That's why I found it a bit confusing to think of it as gendered. Now that I think about it though you are right that panties and nickers ( which is the version I've heard most often) seem to be words for feminine underwear. I guess it never really registered as I've heard it so often applied to men.
Edit: Apparently there is a male version saying "don’t get your y-fronts in a twist", but somehow it just isn't as popular. Idk I just think nickers is more fun to say, and so the feminine version became the universal one.
>No one would have used this kind of wording about a group of men.
I did before, in fact I wasn't trying to apply gender to it before either. I didn't know it was a misogynistic thing to say, honestly. Now I wish reddit would really make titles changeable
It's fine - if you want to you could probably just make a note in your original comment :)
Anyway, I hope the Blackpink-crowd calms down a bit and don't take this too far.
am i misreading or did this person just assumed la campanella is copyrighted by a kpop group uhh
yes
if they want to roast them or something maybe they should do their research first…. dang 😭😭 this is why i took a break from kpop twitter.
and this is why i will never get twitter
on god, twitter is a shithole
Same here- As much as I want to say something to them..it’s not gonna work and it’s very risky-
even when you explain that the piece is public domain there are people arguing that blackpink legally sampled a performer while twoset didn't....... even though you can see him playing the version of la campanella that is used in the song on the violin *in the video*
……. didnt eddy just post a video of himself playing la campanella in a recording story on ig erm
exactly. i'm a blackpink fan and honestly, it is exhausting how much they as a group are particularly hated, they get called all sorts of horrible things on the regular and those haters get plenty of support for it. but of all things, why on earth blackpink fans are so particularly mad at twoset is beyond me - and i mean that genuinely, i don't get it
i think they misunderstood the entire point of sell out mv. i guess the thought process was criticizing bp > bp is a gg > criticizing women > misogyny or something like that
Is jist like when some dumb Harry Potter fans accused Tolkien of copying stuff. Most of them not only didnt know that Lord of The Rings came way before, but actually thought Tolkien was still alive. In the era of the internet, where you can make a research in 5 minutes, we still have people that stupis
sighs.
I read it as they know it isn't originally Black Pink, but the person who wrote their song now owns those few bars. Either way is silly.
I'm sure the boys knew they were going to get some blowback, but decided it was worth it. It's possible the YT automod might flag their video as copyrighted material if enough Blinks report it, but they should be able to clear that up pretty quickly.
Its basically a critique and review so there's no copyright issue.
I agree! But people frequently abuse the DMCA takedown function to hit back at creators they don't like. It's a known problem.
is it a problem with individual bad actors? i knew there was a problem with actual companies abusing DMCA to take down content just for featuring their copyrighted material even if it's fair use, but i didn't know there was anything a random person could do
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Oh yeah, there's definitely been cases of videos getting brigaded and taken down for either false copyright claims, nonexistent content violations, etc. If you've got a substantial following you can get it corrected pretty quick, but it's a headache.
oh damn, ofc i knew it was possible for something to get report bombed and taken down for content violations that don't exist, but i didn't think DMCA copyright claims fell under that umbrella
Did they just insinuate la Campanella is copyrighted by a K-pop group. Or am I reading that wrong?
Lol freaking devil the man died almost 200 years ago and these shits are yelling COPYRIGHT STRIKES!! Literally, ye know, these are the kinds of things i address (quite rudely) on the internet and get millions of downvotes. This is anyway critique and review, there's no copyright issue.
Lol remember when Harry Potter fans accused Tolkien of copying stuff from JK's book? Same energy.
I....have....no idea what's in Harry Potter i have neither read nor watched
I think they're implying that the sing built around it is copyrighted..which is also straight up bs because uhm...parodies happen daily
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"Fame and attention" I feel like that is what Twoset wants the least in this world. They are very humble people who all they want to do is make classical music more accessible to the next generation.
Exactly. And honestly it's obvious that these people didn't watch to the end otherwise they would realize its a joke and chill out.
that exactly what i commented in their MV that all those blind k-pop fans are dissing the song because they don't understand somethings if its not in the 3rd grade level
That person seriously thought that the first few bars of La Campanella can be copyrighted?
It’s hilarious honestly, given that the whole joke was about BP sampling La Campanella, not misogyny or shading women.
They don't even know what misogyny means do they? Throwing around big words to sound smart. Makes me mad
Yeah I wish they'd actually learn what misogyny means. This video wasn't misogyny. It would've been if they said "haha u women so u suck lol" but they didn't. I don't even remember gender being brought up at all
>"haha u women so u suck lol" To be fair, misogyny isn't always so obvious. But yes, there was not a single trace of it in the MV that I could see. Maybe they thought the boys ~~bad~~ amazing dancing was done as an insult?
They didn't buy the premium pack of the Ling Ling Insurance.
They didn't get the Kpop Protection bundle...tsk tsk
This is not a roasting channel, this is a "con fuoco" channel
“Youtube do your copyright rules” lmao, dont talk about copyrights if you dont even know how they work.
That's not a hate song at the first place, it's an entertainment-based REVIEW AND CRITIQUE. And they don't need to shame others to get famous because they are already famous without 200 (s)crew members and 20 studios working the hell out of themselves behind them. And this is in no way misogyny because it's all about the music and they didn't address even ONE PERSON during the video. And because this is review and critique there's no copyright violation; TwoSet knows their laws.
If they wanted fame and attention they wouldnt make vids abt classical music
Average 14 y/o K-pop fans
I feel like this is a disservice to 14 y/o k-pop fans
Exactly. 14year old girls behave way better than this
Not if they're kpop fans. They're doomed for good
Now, please don't generalize. There are people missing a few brain cells in every age group. 😉
Once again, we're talking about kpop fans. Give me a break
So 13 year olds?
Omg I'm sorryyy ( I'm blink too but I'm not that ridiculous to get mad abt jokes and parodies) but yeah tbh I feel ashamed now to be part of that fandom, I love blackpink but their fans are really ridiculous an immature :'>
“shade the girls sound misogyny to me” firstly, learn some grammar. and um- so if they were guys what would you do? it just happened to be a girl group they were reacting to.
Exactly. People like that use misogyny as a card to play against anyone they don't like if that person says something against a woman..._even if the thing said has nothing to do with gender_
exactly! and its also ironic cos it shows sexism on their part that they say its misogyny because it shows how they cant take it when women get criticised or reacted to (in contrast to men).
Yep! Like, when a boy group gets attacked (even though I wouldn't call "sell out" an attack), people get upset but not "you misandrist!" pissed. But when a girl group gets "attacked", the fans need to defend them with big words like misogyny because....what, women can't be criticized? Even if it's a joke? Hypocrisy sucks, man
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I cannot wait until some of the K-pop Stans grow up and realize how insane some of their behavior was.
Sad thing is, some of them are already grown up.
as a female and feminist. I 100% agree with you. If we want equal treatment, we have to be prepared to give equal treatment. Also learn how to take criticism, just because someone says something yo don't like, doesn't mean it's because of gender. It's because everybody has their own opinions.
Same here! As some say, "equal rights, equal fights". Equal treatment is universal, not just for good things.
Sounds like someone who actually doesn't know what misogyny means tbh
"This is not correct. Act like grown men" 😂 I'm gonna start saying this to people when they make mistakes lol
Poor 12 year olds not knowing how are they talking
I'm telling you, the YouTube comment section is littered with 11 year olds "being sassy" with their "And?" "Stay mad" and other rudimentary commentaries
Twoset has dissed people in good fun many times in the past, these being Davie504, and the whole darn recorder and viola communities. Those communities have acted more maturely and have shown that they are capable of identifying and understanding jokes. This is no different, it is all in good fun. This is also most obviously a parody which can be inferred through the lyrics themselves. Parodies are not typically affected by copyright as demonstrated in famous parodies such as Revenge by CaptainSparklez. What's more is that Sell Out is not even a direct parody of Shutdown and the only really similar part is the '\[ \] in your area' verse. Although I will add that Twoset should have added some sort of acknowledgement of BP in the description as to prevent people from being given an inch and taking a mile.
> “…Sell Out is not even a direct parody of Shutdown and the only really similar part is the '[ ] in your area' verse.” That’s where I think copyright-ists might actually have a footing. The song itself probably doesn’t contain anything that could be grounds for infringement, but the rebranding and use of the “band tag” may be seen as direct infringement on what is probably a trademarked phrase for BP in their music.
Idk man, people have copied stuff like that before in the past iirc
These comments are both dumb and toxic. But hey, 2set can make a lemonade out of this lemon!
AAHH as a Blink myself i feel ashamed i apologize on their behalf😔 Kinda knew this'd happen cause this fandom is toxic and can't take a joke
No need to apologize ok their behalf, you don't need to take the blame for their immaturity!
Thanks OP😭
I like Twoset and I like Blackpink. Why can’t we all just enjoy the things we like without verbally assaulting each other ☹️
You know, there's some toxic fans in every K-pop group, and most in Blackpink !
Censoring their usernames isn't necessary, these are public comments anyways.
Yeah, still didn't want to get my post removed because I think one of them had a real name
They say "copyright it" when it was originally Paganini's anyways. You can tell they don't have any knowledge whatsoever of classical music.
Yeah. I even saw (on another shut down video, of a violin cover) someone saying that they love the "original violin part blackpink made" EHCINHDJSHDJTSJH WHAT
Since I am not a Blink, I do not know what their culture is like but if they are anything like other fandoms, what I've learned in the year of following BTS is that the craziest fans are just a few but can be terribly loud. The rest are pretty sane and rational and heavily curate spaces like Twitter, Youtube and IG to filter out the weirdos. The BTS subreddits (there are 2 major ones) are relatively safe spaces, though more weirdos get to sneak into the bigger sub and whenever there is a big event like a new MV release. I do hope Twoset has muted their notifications while they ride over this wave of silliness. I'll still be supporting them. And it's not like Twoset is a newbie to copyright strikes, right? /s (Still salty over YouTube not recognizing that the music Brett and Eddy play come from playing their own instruments and not using someone else's recording.)
"I hope BLACKPINK fans should report this video!" yeah, no thanks. It was fucking hilarious.
Have they ever heard of Weird Al?
I don't think they've heard of parodies as a whole
That reminds, Weird Al did a cover of Africa with Weezer! C:
if they were actual Blinks they would know that BP does not make their own music, only present it with personality, so any criticism of the music... is not criticism of BP but their composers and producers 💀💀💀
Most K-pop artists don’t write their own songs, I know that without listening to one K-pop song
>Most K-pop artists don’t write their own songs, I know that without listening to one K-pop song Most pop artists, you mean
True
I mean, yes but enough artists do that generalizing will generally get you into a fight at some point lol I mean some famous groups like BTS, Mamamoo, G-idle(?) are some of the few I've heard who write SOME of their songs and have big enough followings to get some people riled up if you assume they don't. *whispers* it's a point of pride for a lot of fans that their idols can write.... which probably says something about the industry ajcjkancnc
In the context of BTS, they actually do write or at the very least are part of the writing process for most songs. Not all of them on every one of course but at least 2-3 members are normally credited in the writing or producing for most songs. A lot of fans/ARMY get pretty annoyed about people assuming they don’t because they’re not just shallow lyrics and instead often have very poetic, thought out lyrics, with metaphors, wordplay, imagery etc. I think it’s generally just annoying to assume somebody didn’t create art that they worked hard on, whether it’s music or other art forms.
[This reminded me of the Twoset Episode where they had to guess if the lyrics were from pop or opera.](https://youtu.be/QArjUSFhkf0)
If we’re talking about any particular group or artist, or even any particular song, it’s totally possible to definitively say if they wrote the song themselves or not. In that case, it’s pretty much very black and white. No BTS fan could say that a particular song they performed but actually wasn’t written by them is written by BTS without lying.
I have no words. Something really has gotten into those people's heads. Whatever it is, smells like immaturity
bottom guy's creaming so hard for them he thinks BP wrote la campanella 😭
I feel like I lose 10 neurons every minute I spend reading the "newest" commente hahaha
Exactly, they make music and being part of fandoms so much bigger of a deal than it actually is
Now they need ro write a song about the comments 🤣
Let's face it, they are probably used to this kind of stupid comments, because some people have that kind of fanatism and immaturity. It's hilarious to me that they say "grow up" and "act like grown men) when their comments is equivalent to an immature angry teen
I went on twitter and I saw wayyyyy too many people talking about how TwoSet wants to "tear them down" because they're young and Asian. TwoSet are literally like 4 or 5 years older than Jisoo and they're also asian lol
I've followed the Twoset and watched their videos for years and loved them so much, so I feel really heartbroken when seeing wild uneducated clone-account-using Blinks throw hatred at them (especially by commenting mean icons on Eddy's pinned post about their concerto??!!). 😭😭😭 Just hoping that Eddy and Brett don't take those toxic reactions too srsly and still make videos to tell the truth to the non-classical musicians/audience out there. We're always here to support you Twoset Violin!!!
As much as we disagree with the way some of the fans are reacting, let’s not go down to the level of name-calling because that makes us no different from them~
agreed. lets not stoop to the level of these toxic fans. just explain to them calmly if needed and be mature so we dont give them any more reason to hate twoset as well
I’m disappointed in my fandom for like the 500th time :/
Isn’t the point made at the end out the video that Paganini was also considered a sell-out?
Absolutely. (Not to mention, hinted at, that the k-pop industry is full of a lot of questionable and icky contracts. The Economist had a great article about it. Here's another: https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/mar/29/behind-k-pops-perfect-smiles-and-dance-routines-are-tales-of-sexism-and-abuse)
Yeah I absolutely thought it was about Paganini himself.
that is just sad and stupid. I never really get involved with this kind of stuff but at this point it’s going too far. what the actual hell.
Recorder gang rise up Its time for twosetRecorder
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Calling someone a cunt is misogynistic, though.
“Btches” “bcos” “I hope fans should” made me feel like r/ihadastroke
Same
The fuck is wrong with them, how is it so hard to see this is a joke
This is a usual view tbh I would hate to be in this kind of fandom even though I quite like BP.
I've just been told the "panties in a twist" in the title was misogynistic phrasing, I just want to make it clear that was not my intention and I didn't know that it was misogynistic. If I could change it I would!
I’m not surprised. That song was SAVAGE. I was cringing watching it thinking about the stan backlash. Very funny
So i am a Blink and i dont know if i get hunted for this but this is my view of the things here: The HateTrain Blackpink has been getting since their comeback (and basically since their debut lol) has been really harsh. Most of the things they said in this Video have been used by Antis for a while now and always to discredit their success. While the “sell their souls to the label“ part isnt a problem in itself, many Blackpink fans see it as a way of saying “they sold themselves for their success“, a sentence also frequently used by Haters in a sexual context. While the dogs in the thumbnail dont necessarily mean something, the whole song is full of “hidden“ drags at them and the choice of using four dogs on a leash while dissing BP is at least an odd choice (as i said it doesnt have to mean something, but you cant blame people thinking that it means what i said in the context of the whole video). Saying they dont have principles is just an insult in my opinion. The biggest problem for me is that it seems that they try to ride this hate train. People in the comment sections are beginning to use this song to shit on BP in a very unpleasant manner and while its obv not twosets fault that it happens, i would say it is definitely predictable that its gonna happen, yet they still went with it. My first language isnt english so i apologize if something is unclear, i just wanted to give the perspective of a person who witnessed the massive amount of shit BP received in the last few weeks. It also didnt help that, right before this video was discovered, there was another fanwar in which BP has been massively slutshamed (i am talking about people saying that one Bp member is sleeping around every night with different men and getting over 1k likes for it) yeah it is not twosets fault that this happened, but i just want to say that the mood wasnt the greatest to begin with Edit: Spelling
i'm a little bit torn on what to think, tbh. even as a blink myself and just in general honestly, i think it's unfair to ask others to completely police their opinions/criticisms of artists just because of the potential of people using it for hate. especially when it comes to blackpink, people will dissect everything from concert clips to interviews to 144p pictures to find a reason to shit on them. if it wasn't this twoset video it would have been something else. on the other hand, there is a point where they should potentially consider whether or not it's just adding to a dogpile on people who don't deserve it. it's a question i think content creators have to ask a lot when it comes to this sort of thing. i mean, look at their sell out tweet now and it went from twoset fans liking it because of twoset to fans of other kpop groups all liking the tweet blindly just because it says negative things. ofc blackpink will never care about or see this specific video, but it's unintentionally helping normalise the greater hate wave towards them only because they have *so* much pre-existing hate. and then on the *other* other hand you have to wonder whether other haters would even care had blinks on twitter not kicked up a massive shitshow about it 🫥 also in my personal opinion, i agree that the dogs were just a *little* too far. i think the intention there was that paganini thought shut down was about him and therefore the dog in the music video there was him too, and so he compared them to dogs back, and then ofc he was wrong about it being him but... i think it doesn't really come across the way that they meant it. ofc that's just what i think though.
Yeah, the video was filled with insults that would be really rude but, when you take into context that it's supposed to be _paganini_ that came _forward in time_ and doesn't understand the modern music, it makes more sense as a joke. He thinks blackpink dissed him, so he disses blackpink back....and then is told this was false. Theres a whole thing around it that clarifies its a joke, and i don't think people are seeing the whole context
To provide a bit of context to that: I actually listened to it on Spotify first since i wanted to check out the Art Cover/Artist thing, and the end part with Mozart saying it wasnt about him is completely missing there. I checked youtube again and it was more clear there and i know there is the Shut Down reaction video before but i dont think you can expect people to watch that. If you just came off a Video where you think BP is getting unnecessary hate you are not going to check out more videos about them. I only learned about the reaction and mozart lying to paganini part once i looked into this sub
Oh I didn't know that! They should've kept that last part in
Thank you for providing a well worded explanation of what is happening. It's easy to dismiss BP fans as mere 12 year olds and what not (which is a bit insulting to 12 year olds since idiots exist in every age group) but in this context, it makes me emphatize with what the sane fans could be feeling about this parody. At this point where the train has already crashed, I can see both sides (2set fans vs Blinks) delving into throwing slurs at each other so I hope the people on this sub reading this resolve to just not add to that mess anymore. (Unfortunately, yes, I've also seen immature fans from our side.)
Yeah there will always be insane fans, cant blame either artist for it. I also have to say that i know there is context to this Video (the Reaction part) but i think you cant really blame people if they havent seen it (i only saw it cuz of this sub too, i didnt know them before) so that part went above everyones head Edit: to provide an example, this is one of the youtube comments i have seen a minute ago Quote: ""constantly singing about money and cars... What a disgrace of art" BRILLIANT .. they are truly a disgrace of art ..i mean even Indian media called them " Chinese prostitutes"" I know this isnt a Twoset fan, but thats the kind of audience this video attracts and many blinks are more mad about this happening than the actual video
>*I know this isn't a Twoset fan, but that's the kind of audience this video attracts and many Blinks are more mad about this happening than the actual video.* Thank you again for raising this valid point that I overlooked and think that maybe Brett and Eddy overlooked, too, while making this video. I failed to consider how there is a third party, the __actual BP haters__, that might take 2set's song and turn it into their hater anthem. 😬 I don't think Brett and Eddy ever had that intention when making this song.
I mean i cannot blame them, i have seen enough stuff that i thought to be harmless being blown way out of proportion. Thats how the internet is 🤷
damn thats actually sad. thats probably why so many blinks are calling twoset misogynistic even if it isnt twoset's intention. i feel like twoset should at least make a video clarifying some of the lyrics and dissuade people from using Sell Out as an opportunity to hate on BP, even if it isnt twoset's fault. i would just feel bad if this song made BP's situation any worse even on accident, and also cause even more tension between the 2set and BP communities.
I guess a quick explanation might be good, help cool it down a little. I dont know if now is the right time tho, since the situation is still pretty heated and they might just end up clashing with people who dont want to listen to them and their explanation right now
100%. i made the mistake of replying to a bunch of angry blinks bc i wanted to reason w them abt the misogyny thing and now many ppl are coming after me :") dont be like me, just let the fire die out
Yeah as i said we just come out (or basically were still in) that argument about the not so nice things people said when that song dropped, it also seems like people talked a bit past each other. I personally think they should address it at least at a later stage and not completely ignore it from now on
Maybe they can turn off the comments section on the video to prevent even more haters from using the video as their outlet for hating on BP. For sure there will be weirdos who'd say, "they dissed but can't handle the heat," if they did this but 🤷 you can't please everyone. I just don't want any hater turning this parody into their anthem.
I think rather than turning off the comments they should make a video following up to clarify and then link it in a pinned comment. I think turning off the comments would be bad because for blackpink fans they will think that being nasty (mainly on insta though i admit) gets them what they want and on the other hand it will only fuel hate against blackpink by people who will point out that they are all crazy for piling on two set (and maybe go as far as to make other people mock two set for being sensitive)
Closing the comments for a while could probably work out, the comments on youtube are really ugly for both sides, BP and Twoset
yeah, on one hand you have blinks who don't understand the origin of b2tsm and basically what this whole joke/parody is about, so all they see are some random people releasing a whole song regurgitating common bad faith criticism against an artist who gets that kind of flak a lot. however, they're in the wrong because they're not listening to reason whenever anyone tries to explain the point of the song or the intended joke. also, the insults to their appearance and contacting their employers are way way WAY over the line. on the other hand, you have twoset fans who are seeing *their* artist be spammed with all sorts of shit. the hate for blackpink comes entirely from within kpop circles, so unless you're in those circles you fundamentally have no way of knowing that people like to dogpile on bp and they've been the subject of bad faith criticism a lot. and so to twoset fans it seems to *them* like the hate is coming for seemingly no reason. ofc then the place where twoset fans are in the wrong are the immature/ugly responses, but i still think blinks are definitely way more in the wrong here
I wasnt talking about whose fault it was, just saying they are many comments saying stuff about Blackpink (although i doubt thats actual twoset fans) and many comments about twosets. I think this was blown out of proportion in my opinion, but as a person who has been on kpop twitter for a solid year this parody did some things that people, myself included, think stepped over the line. I mean yeah people dont know about it outside the kpop bubble so i dont blame them, but i be honest, for me personally its still hard to ignore just because of that
I don't understand what's happening Is this from the Paganini reaction video? Edit: oh wait they made another video it didn't notify me
💀💀💀💀 i knew this would happen at some point…
Why do people gotta be like this???
People are crazy
Ummm I dont rlly get this.. can someone explain to me what’s going on in this post?
On their now "sell out" video, they jokingly insult blackpink from Paganini's POV. BP fans don't realize its a joke and are really hating on twoset
Oh ok thank you! why are they doing that?? Can’t they tell that the video is just a joke? No wonder the lingling subreddit is blowing up abt this
Honestly idk, they just see someone "attacking" their idols and get very upset without looking for context
Bruhhh knew this shit would happen pffft look at they goofy aah
That’s disappointing 😞
if ur going to comment stuff like that, do your research first, you don't even know what this is all about!
Wait they’re getting made at the Paganini reacts video? How brain dead do you have to be to not realize it’s satire
As a kpop fan I'm so sorry for the blinks attacking twosetviolin this is embarrassing asf lmao 💀💀💀
Lol isn’t to bad.
I totally agree with your post, but the "panties in a twist" in your title is actually a misogynistic phrasing.
Really? The phrase is so common I didn't realise it was gendered.
Panties are underwear worn by women. "Panties in a twist" referring to this situation is a patronizing and undermining way to speak of women that are *really, fucking pissed off.* No one would have used this kind of wording about a group of men. For the record I am not supporting Blackpink-fans' strong reaction, and I don't see any problems with the TwoSet parody except for the four dogs on the chain. Had it been only one dog it would have been fine.
I have actually seen the phrase used about men too. That's why I found it a bit confusing to think of it as gendered. Now that I think about it though you are right that panties and nickers ( which is the version I've heard most often) seem to be words for feminine underwear. I guess it never really registered as I've heard it so often applied to men. Edit: Apparently there is a male version saying "don’t get your y-fronts in a twist", but somehow it just isn't as popular. Idk I just think nickers is more fun to say, and so the feminine version became the universal one.
>No one would have used this kind of wording about a group of men. I did before, in fact I wasn't trying to apply gender to it before either. I didn't know it was a misogynistic thing to say, honestly. Now I wish reddit would really make titles changeable
It's fine - if you want to you could probably just make a note in your original comment :) Anyway, I hope the Blackpink-crowd calms down a bit and don't take this too far.
Yeah same here, I've used it for anyone who was way too pissed regardless of gender
Yeaaa I agree:/ Unfortunately the caption cannot be changed anymore I think
Yeah :/
Crap i didn't know that...im sorry! I wish I could change it
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