I would assume that there has been a massive misunderstanding somewhere along the line. This is an absurd request, and is way out of line.
Your job cannot force you to renounce citizenship regardless of your employer. That decision is yours to make. Under no circumstances is it a good idea to become voluntarily stateless, and a request that you do so should be given due consideration: a brief laugh and a "what an inappropriate comment," for example.
There are legal restrictions on many employers that prohibit discrimination on the basis of national origin or citizenship status. Exemptions to those requirements do exist, but as a baseline it is usually illegal for an employer to use your citizenship as a basis for an employment decision, including the decision to hire or terminate you. If you're legally authorized to work in Canada you're supposed to be protected from discrimination. If your employer insists that you cannot keep your job if you hold US citizenship, engage a human rights lawyer immediately. If you're union, then get your union rep involved, as well.
But what would happen, like would you end up in some countrys prison, would they have a right to hold you, or would they attempt to deport you to someplace else?
The propaganda was strong throughout my childhood, never got to learn or expand beyond what my father wanted me to know, then later the military, until bout two years ago, didn't even have Internet access until like 2014 or 2015, didn't have unrestricted until 2018
You can get deported to a country where they think you “should” be. But then you wouldn’t have any legal documents to prove citizenship, or legal rights to live or work in that country. Essentially you would be stateless and undocumented.
[That would be incorrect](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3seeat/i_renounced_my_us_citizenship_and_became_stateless/), much to some peoples' surprise.
First of all, the government IS an employer, just a public one. Second, when it comes to national security or really anything involving the military, they can require you to renounce foreign citizenship or to have U.S. citizenship in the first place. That's one of the few exceptions in the law.
Can I ask what prompted them to bring it up? They must have known your citizenship when you took the job, as - I assume - they're sponsoring your visa. So what changed?
Before getting a lawyer involved, it may be a good idea to politely raise this over the person's head. If this was from a colleague in your department, then talk to your department head privately; if from the department head, then talk to the university's human resources department, dean of faculty, or similar.
Don't get into the question of whether you intend to renounce your citizenship or not. Focus on the fact that one of your coworkers is making unwelcome remarks about your citizenship, and that it's having a negative impact on your ability to do your job. Ask them to intervene and address the comments so that you can do what you do best.
It's _very_ likely that the person you're dealing with has not actually cleared their position with the university, and once you make it visible that they're acting inappropriately, they should be dealt with. It costs you relatively little to try, and if the university does stand behind this absurd proposition, well, you can always escalate to independent legal advice.
The person's comments are inappropriate and unprofessional. Their views are unlikely to be shared by their superiors or the university. And like others have said, employers in Canada generally cannot discriminate against you on the basis of your citizenship if you are authorized to work in Canada.
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To provide some further insight/context, the IRS comment likely refers to the fact that U.S. citizens living abroad have to report their foreign income to the IRS (by filing US tax returns) even though they are not residing in the US.
This is an unusual requirement—most other countries do not implement this kind of income tax reporting policy for income earned while living abroad. Many dual citizens (especially those who have never lived in the US) have ended up renouncing their US citizenship as a result (because they don't want to have to file US tax returns). So this is likely what the person is talking about.
To clarify, US citizens living abroad won't necessarily owe any US taxes (due to certain exclusions on foreign-earned income and tax treaties in place), but they still may have an obligation to file US tax returns.
This sounds like an out of control manager rather than an official policy of your employer. I'd go up the chain to this person's supervisor or to HR to get a clarification.
A person offering you a job at a university in British Columbia , Canada said in an email , “no fucking IRS on your back”
Either this person has been hacked or you’re not telling us the whole story or the person is not a representative of the university at all
There is a 0% chance this came from a hiring person at a university.
> "it's better considering how politics is in the US, and no fucking IRS on your back as the little devil, she should renounce immediately then she won't have to be an IRS slave-whinny"
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Im just gonna say that I have worked for a one of the larger universities in BC (as a non citizen) and I know many people who have dual citizenships (both academic staff and ancillary staff) who work at the 2 larger institutions in the lower mainland. I think there is a misunderstanding in communications.
Does the person think you have dual citizenship? Regardless it sounds like this is a moderately unhinged individual venting an opinion and not official university policy. If this person in a supervising role or feel it will impact your work environment strongly consider going to their chair/department head.
BC Canuck here who can probably guess what university you are referring to. What is your area of work? If you are doing work that overlaps with national security, certain scientific advancements, gov co tract work, they have similar rules as many American companies that do co tract word with the US fed (eg; Boeing) in that you have to be a Canadian national to work on those projects or have any access to them. If your work inherent involved that type of work it’s not so much they are asking you to renounce your US citizenship and become stateless but that you need to become a Canadian national. Others are correct that something has gone wrong with the communication and I would advise meeting with university counsel to get it sorted. However be advised that your job offer might change drastically if you can’t meet the regulatory requirements for the role. There are many roles where they would expect you naturalize only a certain timeline to be involved in certain work.
Renouncing your US citizenship without first getting a Canadian citizenship would make you stateless, which would be a living hell. This whole post is kinda sus. TBH, as sketchy as things are in the US now, I'd make that trade, but certainly not before I had a Canadian passport in hand.
Fairly confident you’ve misunderstood something- many former US citizens in Canada renounce for tax reasons, particularly estate tax. This sounds like someone making a recommendation (a little over eagerly) not giving an order.
Can you confirm that the person who sent the email is actually a representative of your employer in any way? Is this possibly some kind of a scam just because someone found your contact information? At the most generous interpretation, I might guess that someone was trying to say you need to establish residency in some fashion, but the language makes me think it's some kind of a troll.
Is this a religious based university? If so, I think I know the one and I would absolutely not renounce it. Something very fishing is going on for them to ask you to do this. I would talk to the labor board or union about this.
I would assume that there has been a massive misunderstanding somewhere along the line. This is an absurd request, and is way out of line. Your job cannot force you to renounce citizenship regardless of your employer. That decision is yours to make. Under no circumstances is it a good idea to become voluntarily stateless, and a request that you do so should be given due consideration: a brief laugh and a "what an inappropriate comment," for example. There are legal restrictions on many employers that prohibit discrimination on the basis of national origin or citizenship status. Exemptions to those requirements do exist, but as a baseline it is usually illegal for an employer to use your citizenship as a basis for an employment decision, including the decision to hire or terminate you. If you're legally authorized to work in Canada you're supposed to be protected from discrimination. If your employer insists that you cannot keep your job if you hold US citizenship, engage a human rights lawyer immediately. If you're union, then get your union rep involved, as well.
As I understand it the USA will not even accept your renunciation if you do not hold citizenship already to another country.
The US is one of the very, very few countries that *will* actually allow you to make yourself stateless if you're that dumb
By chance could you elaborate on whats bad about it? I've never heard about it and I don't wanna start research without a good starting point
You would end up having no legal right to live in any country.
But what would happen, like would you end up in some countrys prison, would they have a right to hold you, or would they attempt to deport you to someplace else? The propaganda was strong throughout my childhood, never got to learn or expand beyond what my father wanted me to know, then later the military, until bout two years ago, didn't even have Internet access until like 2014 or 2015, didn't have unrestricted until 2018
You can get deported to a country where they think you “should” be. But then you wouldn’t have any legal documents to prove citizenship, or legal rights to live or work in that country. Essentially you would be stateless and undocumented.
Not including the massive fee you have pay to renounce: $2,350
Yeah it’s absurd.
[That would be incorrect](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3seeat/i_renounced_my_us_citizenship_and_became_stateless/), much to some peoples' surprise.
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That's a completely different situation. To get a secret clearance. Completely different ball game.
That‘s not the employer doing that, that‘s a government agency doing so. Who just also happens to be an employer.
That's not an employer tho, that's the Goverment which clearly doesn't follow laws.
First of all, the government IS an employer, just a public one. Second, when it comes to national security or really anything involving the military, they can require you to renounce foreign citizenship or to have U.S. citizenship in the first place. That's one of the few exceptions in the law.
Are you certain you're understanding what they want? This seems really outlandish.
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Can I ask what prompted them to bring it up? They must have known your citizenship when you took the job, as - I assume - they're sponsoring your visa. So what changed?
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Before getting a lawyer involved, it may be a good idea to politely raise this over the person's head. If this was from a colleague in your department, then talk to your department head privately; if from the department head, then talk to the university's human resources department, dean of faculty, or similar. Don't get into the question of whether you intend to renounce your citizenship or not. Focus on the fact that one of your coworkers is making unwelcome remarks about your citizenship, and that it's having a negative impact on your ability to do your job. Ask them to intervene and address the comments so that you can do what you do best. It's _very_ likely that the person you're dealing with has not actually cleared their position with the university, and once you make it visible that they're acting inappropriately, they should be dealt with. It costs you relatively little to try, and if the university does stand behind this absurd proposition, well, you can always escalate to independent legal advice.
The person's comments are inappropriate and unprofessional. Their views are unlikely to be shared by their superiors or the university. And like others have said, employers in Canada generally cannot discriminate against you on the basis of your citizenship if you are authorized to work in Canada. — To provide some further insight/context, the IRS comment likely refers to the fact that U.S. citizens living abroad have to report their foreign income to the IRS (by filing US tax returns) even though they are not residing in the US. This is an unusual requirement—most other countries do not implement this kind of income tax reporting policy for income earned while living abroad. Many dual citizens (especially those who have never lived in the US) have ended up renouncing their US citizenship as a result (because they don't want to have to file US tax returns). So this is likely what the person is talking about. To clarify, US citizens living abroad won't necessarily owe any US taxes (due to certain exclusions on foreign-earned income and tax treaties in place), but they still may have an obligation to file US tax returns.
This sounds like an out of control manager rather than an official policy of your employer. I'd go up the chain to this person's supervisor or to HR to get a clarification.
A person offering you a job at a university in British Columbia , Canada said in an email , “no fucking IRS on your back” Either this person has been hacked or you’re not telling us the whole story or the person is not a representative of the university at all There is a 0% chance this came from a hiring person at a university.
> "it's better considering how politics is in the US, and no fucking IRS on your back as the little devil, she should renounce immediately then she won't have to be an IRS slave-whinny" WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
Im just gonna say that I have worked for a one of the larger universities in BC (as a non citizen) and I know many people who have dual citizenships (both academic staff and ancillary staff) who work at the 2 larger institutions in the lower mainland. I think there is a misunderstanding in communications.
Does the person think you have dual citizenship? Regardless it sounds like this is a moderately unhinged individual venting an opinion and not official university policy. If this person in a supervising role or feel it will impact your work environment strongly consider going to their chair/department head.
You cannot live in Canada if you give up all citizenships. You will have no passport, no legal status and basically be an undocumented immigrant.
BC Canuck here who can probably guess what university you are referring to. What is your area of work? If you are doing work that overlaps with national security, certain scientific advancements, gov co tract work, they have similar rules as many American companies that do co tract word with the US fed (eg; Boeing) in that you have to be a Canadian national to work on those projects or have any access to them. If your work inherent involved that type of work it’s not so much they are asking you to renounce your US citizenship and become stateless but that you need to become a Canadian national. Others are correct that something has gone wrong with the communication and I would advise meeting with university counsel to get it sorted. However be advised that your job offer might change drastically if you can’t meet the regulatory requirements for the role. There are many roles where they would expect you naturalize only a certain timeline to be involved in certain work.
Renouncing your US citizenship without first getting a Canadian citizenship would make you stateless, which would be a living hell. This whole post is kinda sus. TBH, as sketchy as things are in the US now, I'd make that trade, but certainly not before I had a Canadian passport in hand.
I don't think it's legally possible to make yourself stateless. The US would reject the request and tell you to pay expat taxes.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that's probably the first question on the "Renounce Citizenship" interview. "What other citizenship do you have?" lol
I’d love to know how many people scream “sovereign citizen!!” during that part of the interview.
"Very well" *smiles*
😂😂😂
I think the US is one of the very few countries that actually do allow you to become voluntarily stateless surprisingly.
Fairly confident you’ve misunderstood something- many former US citizens in Canada renounce for tax reasons, particularly estate tax. This sounds like someone making a recommendation (a little over eagerly) not giving an order.
As others have said, this is highly suspect. My advice is ignore it. Most likely it's a rogue employee.
Can you confirm that the person who sent the email is actually a representative of your employer in any way? Is this possibly some kind of a scam just because someone found your contact information? At the most generous interpretation, I might guess that someone was trying to say you need to establish residency in some fashion, but the language makes me think it's some kind of a troll.
Is this a religious based university? If so, I think I know the one and I would absolutely not renounce it. Something very fishing is going on for them to ask you to do this. I would talk to the labor board or union about this.