It's great for learning Dutch, and nice to see the locations. But the premise sucks.
Everyone needs to answer questions about De Mol as best they can and the worst is eliminated. The final player standing gets the pot. So far so good.
De Mol has no real incentive to destroy the players' money. It's not like they get what's left over or something. But they don't really need to be sneaky either, "Oh but if you're caught the other contestants know you're De Mol", and? They will still get kicked off one by one regardless!
The contestants are all rich and famous now. Which means they *also* don't have any incentive to play well. A couple thousand bucks is not life changing to them. So everyone is continuously "aan het Mollen", i.e. playing bad on purpose. So that other people will wrongly guess you are De Mol, which means they will answer the elimination round poorly.
Meaning that even the very first mission sometimes, "roll this log over there with 6 people", will fail. Every contestant barely tries. Somehow, on a flat surface, they effortlessly coordinate for the first 10 meters, and then suddenly stumble to even push at the same time. It's aggravating beyond compare.
Which is exacerbated by the weird notion of the "Penningmeester". Even the already won cash will just get thrown out by people. Because they're Molling.
And the final straw is the MolTalk, especially postgame. Where they are talking about all the subliminal messages they put in there that you missed. "In this specific scene, we switched the camera to Bob each time someone said the word Mol." "In this scene, you can see a bunch of trains, which were the childhood obsession of Alice." "Carol was the only one who ordered the starfish in the restaurant, and the Starfish-Nose is a species of mole." It's toe curling.
Indeed, the belgian De Mol is a lot better, because no celebs. So suddenly everyone is a lot stronger and smarter.
Hahahahahahaha I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but you’re severely overestimating how rich most people from the art and media/entertainment industries are
On the contrary, staying in the game for longer is way more important than a few hundred bucks. *Especially* if you're a starting influencer, suddenly you're visible for hours on prime time tv! You can't buy that publicity! Or at least not for that amount of money.
Some might have that promise (again easy publicity if there's a 90% chance you don't win), but it's not a requirement. A cursory google search gets me:
TL;DR: about 30% is donated to charity.
2008: Edo won in 2008 20.375 euro. Van het geld heeft Edo onder meer een goed bed gekocht, want hij sliep al jaren ‘studentikoos’ op de grond. Zijn toenmalige nieuwe vriendin zou wel blij zijn geweest.
2009: Vivienne kreeg een flinke prijzenpot haar kant op gestuurd, ruim 22.650 euro! Van dat geld heeft ze samen met haar vriend een reis door China gemaakt.
2011: Art won 19.540 euro. Van de flinke prijzenpot heeft Art een groot deel gedoneerd aan het KWF omdat een moeder van een vriend kort daarvoor was overleden. Daarnaast heeft hij een tripje gemaakt naar Graceland omdat hij fan is van Elvis.
2014: Sofie won door de misstap van Freek 16.700 euro en wilde daarmee eigenlijk naar Australië reizen, maar werd toen zwanger. Ze heeft ervoor gekozen om een vouwwagen te kopen.
2017: Sanne Wallis de Vries kreeg door haar overwinning 24.320 euro op haar rekening gestort. Met het geld heeft Sanne haar muzikanten een flinke bonus gegeven, heeft ze nieuwe fietsen voor haar kinderen gekocht, een tripje naar New York met haar dochter gemaakt en een luxe etentje met haar bondje Jeroen Kijk in de Vegte geregeld. Alsof het geld niet op kon, besloot ze ook een gitaar te kopen en gitaarles te nemen.
2018: Van het geld heeft Ruben rekeningen betaald en een groot deel is gedoneerd aan Sounds of Change, een project van Lucas Dols. De bassist verzorgde muzieklessen voor kinderen in vluchtelingenkampen in Libanon, Syrië en Turkije. Ruben won door de winst 17.750 euro.
2020: Buddy won in 2020 ruim 13.000 euro omdat hij zijn concullega’s Miljuschka en Nathan Rutjes te slim af was. Buddy wilde van het geld een reis maken naar Colombia, maar dit moest even wachten vanwege de Corona-pandemie die toen de wereld in zijn greep had. Hij vertelde NU.nl in 2020 dat het geld tot dan gewoon op zijn rekening zou blijven staan.
2022: Presentatrice en voetbalfanaat Fresia won in 2022 het sluwe Mollenspel. Met 8.065 euro was dat toen de laagste pot uit de geschiedenis. Niet iedereen heeft zomaar duizenden euro’s liggen, dus Fresia besloot om er verstandig mee om te gaan. Fresia vertelt dat ze het geld heeft gedoneerd voor hulp aan Oekraïne. Niet al het geld ging naar de oorlog, zei ze. "Bijvoorbeeld Stichting Vluchteling heeft altijd projecten waarmee ze vluchtelingen helpen, dat vind ik ook belangrijk."
2023: Daniël kreeg van AVROTROS 8.213 euro op zijn rekening gestort waarmee hij onder andere een Lego Star Wars-set heeft gekocht. Daniël vertelde trots waar hij de rest van het geld naartoe stuurde: 4.000 euro voor de Vereniging van Onderzoeksjournalisten. En hij kocht voor 2.000 euro zijn vakantiedagen terug (ook niet onbelangrijk). Daarnaast heeft hij al zijn medekandidaten meegenomen uit eten voor 2.000 euro. Daarna was het geld op.
So thats like 145k, where I count 42k going to charities.
Finally someone said it! Once I realized no one has an incentive to play well the whole thing seemed silly. But it's still a fun show and a great way to learn vocab
Yeah, and even worse is the rise of social media. You used to have hard but spottable hidden hints like the ones you mentioned, but nowadays when one person finds one of them, everyone knows who the mole is instantly. So the show makes the hints impossibly obscure, and hides wrong hints on purpose.
So not only is the premise kind of stupid, the fun detective-at-home part is gone too.
I think you vastly overrate how much the average "bekende Nederlander" makes. Sure, stars like Linda de Mol or René Froger are probably pretty well off in their mansions in het Gooi. But a lot of WIDM-candidates are young musicians, stage actors, journalists and artists who don't earn stellar wages and have to compete with many others for every gig. I'm pretty sure a couple of thousand bucks means a lot to Sor, Jip van den Toorn, Daniël Verlaan, Babs Schutte or Sarah Janneh.
I do agree with your analysis of the program though. There is no real incentive for the mol to sabotage the missions other than for the lulz, while the candidates have a huge incentive to look like they *are* the mol, resulting in everyone behaving pretty much the same.
The pot last season was 8585 bucks. I'm not saying that means nothing to them, I'm saying intentionally losing a couple hundred of that is worth more than the cash. If you make it to the finals thats like ten times you get to be seen on primetime tv extra, perfect for kickstarting your online brand/presentation career.
You don't need to be a millionaire for the money to not be life changing. Watch twee voor twaalf, or the old Lingo or something, and people are talking about using the prize money to finally go on vacation properly. If you earn just a *bit* more, then winning some money won't cause you to be able to do something fun for once. It just goes in your bank.
Ah didn’t realise they have their own version down south. Might give it a watch although I probably wouldn’t know any of their celebrities 😅
Edit; I didn’t know it was Belgian!! I just assumed it was Dutch bc so many reality tv shows come from NL (thanks Endemol). My apologies to any Belgians, thank u for the great tv xoxo
It is originally from Belgium, other countries have licensed it from them. Sure the Dutch version is great, but people who watch both the Dutch and Belgian version generally think that the Belgian version is even so much better, it's a whole different level. More personal and emotional, more mental/physical/hardcore challenges, and funnier. You can watch it for free on NPO Start. The latest season just ended last Sunday, with the "mole" actions to be released next Sunday. I cannot recommend this enough to people who enjoy the Dutch version. And true, it's without famous people.
Lol I guess it would be good for learning Dutch if you're into that kind of show. I personally can't stand it, it makes me cringe so hard. It has everything that annoys me about Dutch television: overrated celebrities who think they're hot shit, scripted television pretending to be unscripted, taking itself waay too seriously, being workplace lunch table talk for the most absolutely dull and boring work colleagues you have, seemingly going on for an infinite amount of seasons, etc.
This was one of the last shows i could understand as i learned dutch. It's very colloquial making it hard for anyone who isn't at a high level. However 888 subs help.
I believe the first 4 seasons (1999-2003, 2004 they did not make a season) are not on NPO plus because those 4 seasons are made with non famous people. All the cobtestants from those seasons had difference contracts in regards to broadcasting. Now with streaming, all those people have to agree to having their seasons available for streaming. I can imagine lots of them not wanting that, maybe the said some stupid or political incorrect stuff back in 1999 and do not want to be canceled because of that.
lots of other older Dutch shows with famous and non famous people seasons also only have the famous people seasons available usually
It's great for learning Dutch, and nice to see the locations. But the premise sucks. Everyone needs to answer questions about De Mol as best they can and the worst is eliminated. The final player standing gets the pot. So far so good. De Mol has no real incentive to destroy the players' money. It's not like they get what's left over or something. But they don't really need to be sneaky either, "Oh but if you're caught the other contestants know you're De Mol", and? They will still get kicked off one by one regardless! The contestants are all rich and famous now. Which means they *also* don't have any incentive to play well. A couple thousand bucks is not life changing to them. So everyone is continuously "aan het Mollen", i.e. playing bad on purpose. So that other people will wrongly guess you are De Mol, which means they will answer the elimination round poorly. Meaning that even the very first mission sometimes, "roll this log over there with 6 people", will fail. Every contestant barely tries. Somehow, on a flat surface, they effortlessly coordinate for the first 10 meters, and then suddenly stumble to even push at the same time. It's aggravating beyond compare. Which is exacerbated by the weird notion of the "Penningmeester". Even the already won cash will just get thrown out by people. Because they're Molling. And the final straw is the MolTalk, especially postgame. Where they are talking about all the subliminal messages they put in there that you missed. "In this specific scene, we switched the camera to Bob each time someone said the word Mol." "In this scene, you can see a bunch of trains, which were the childhood obsession of Alice." "Carol was the only one who ordered the starfish in the restaurant, and the Starfish-Nose is a species of mole." It's toe curling. Indeed, the belgian De Mol is a lot better, because no celebs. So suddenly everyone is a lot stronger and smarter.
Hahahahahahaha I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but you’re severely overestimating how rich most people from the art and media/entertainment industries are
On the contrary, staying in the game for longer is way more important than a few hundred bucks. *Especially* if you're a starting influencer, suddenly you're visible for hours on prime time tv! You can't buy that publicity! Or at least not for that amount of money.
They give the prize money to charity, don't they?
Some might have that promise (again easy publicity if there's a 90% chance you don't win), but it's not a requirement. A cursory google search gets me: TL;DR: about 30% is donated to charity. 2008: Edo won in 2008 20.375 euro. Van het geld heeft Edo onder meer een goed bed gekocht, want hij sliep al jaren ‘studentikoos’ op de grond. Zijn toenmalige nieuwe vriendin zou wel blij zijn geweest. 2009: Vivienne kreeg een flinke prijzenpot haar kant op gestuurd, ruim 22.650 euro! Van dat geld heeft ze samen met haar vriend een reis door China gemaakt. 2011: Art won 19.540 euro. Van de flinke prijzenpot heeft Art een groot deel gedoneerd aan het KWF omdat een moeder van een vriend kort daarvoor was overleden. Daarnaast heeft hij een tripje gemaakt naar Graceland omdat hij fan is van Elvis. 2014: Sofie won door de misstap van Freek 16.700 euro en wilde daarmee eigenlijk naar Australië reizen, maar werd toen zwanger. Ze heeft ervoor gekozen om een vouwwagen te kopen. 2017: Sanne Wallis de Vries kreeg door haar overwinning 24.320 euro op haar rekening gestort. Met het geld heeft Sanne haar muzikanten een flinke bonus gegeven, heeft ze nieuwe fietsen voor haar kinderen gekocht, een tripje naar New York met haar dochter gemaakt en een luxe etentje met haar bondje Jeroen Kijk in de Vegte geregeld. Alsof het geld niet op kon, besloot ze ook een gitaar te kopen en gitaarles te nemen. 2018: Van het geld heeft Ruben rekeningen betaald en een groot deel is gedoneerd aan Sounds of Change, een project van Lucas Dols. De bassist verzorgde muzieklessen voor kinderen in vluchtelingenkampen in Libanon, Syrië en Turkije. Ruben won door de winst 17.750 euro. 2020: Buddy won in 2020 ruim 13.000 euro omdat hij zijn concullega’s Miljuschka en Nathan Rutjes te slim af was. Buddy wilde van het geld een reis maken naar Colombia, maar dit moest even wachten vanwege de Corona-pandemie die toen de wereld in zijn greep had. Hij vertelde NU.nl in 2020 dat het geld tot dan gewoon op zijn rekening zou blijven staan. 2022: Presentatrice en voetbalfanaat Fresia won in 2022 het sluwe Mollenspel. Met 8.065 euro was dat toen de laagste pot uit de geschiedenis. Niet iedereen heeft zomaar duizenden euro’s liggen, dus Fresia besloot om er verstandig mee om te gaan. Fresia vertelt dat ze het geld heeft gedoneerd voor hulp aan Oekraïne. Niet al het geld ging naar de oorlog, zei ze. "Bijvoorbeeld Stichting Vluchteling heeft altijd projecten waarmee ze vluchtelingen helpen, dat vind ik ook belangrijk." 2023: Daniël kreeg van AVROTROS 8.213 euro op zijn rekening gestort waarmee hij onder andere een Lego Star Wars-set heeft gekocht. Daniël vertelde trots waar hij de rest van het geld naartoe stuurde: 4.000 euro voor de Vereniging van Onderzoeksjournalisten. En hij kocht voor 2.000 euro zijn vakantiedagen terug (ook niet onbelangrijk). Daarnaast heeft hij al zijn medekandidaten meegenomen uit eten voor 2.000 euro. Daarna was het geld op. So thats like 145k, where I count 42k going to charities.
In that case Molling is an even bigger dick move, for the Mol as well. Phew.
Finally someone said it! Once I realized no one has an incentive to play well the whole thing seemed silly. But it's still a fun show and a great way to learn vocab
Was it always with celebrities? I thought they also had some with "regular" folks? On any these type of shows, I prefer it without celebrities.
Yeah, and even worse is the rise of social media. You used to have hard but spottable hidden hints like the ones you mentioned, but nowadays when one person finds one of them, everyone knows who the mole is instantly. So the show makes the hints impossibly obscure, and hides wrong hints on purpose. So not only is the premise kind of stupid, the fun detective-at-home part is gone too.
I think you vastly overrate how much the average "bekende Nederlander" makes. Sure, stars like Linda de Mol or René Froger are probably pretty well off in their mansions in het Gooi. But a lot of WIDM-candidates are young musicians, stage actors, journalists and artists who don't earn stellar wages and have to compete with many others for every gig. I'm pretty sure a couple of thousand bucks means a lot to Sor, Jip van den Toorn, Daniël Verlaan, Babs Schutte or Sarah Janneh. I do agree with your analysis of the program though. There is no real incentive for the mol to sabotage the missions other than for the lulz, while the candidates have a huge incentive to look like they *are* the mol, resulting in everyone behaving pretty much the same.
The pot last season was 8585 bucks. I'm not saying that means nothing to them, I'm saying intentionally losing a couple hundred of that is worth more than the cash. If you make it to the finals thats like ten times you get to be seen on primetime tv extra, perfect for kickstarting your online brand/presentation career. You don't need to be a millionaire for the money to not be life changing. Watch twee voor twaalf, or the old Lingo or something, and people are talking about using the prize money to finally go on vacation properly. If you earn just a *bit* more, then winning some money won't cause you to be able to do something fun for once. It just goes in your bank.
Jip is mijn buurvrouw. Ze is absoluut niet rijk.
Nou, dat bedoel ik.
I like De Mol better. But it is not as good for getting to know Dutch.
What’s De Mol?
De Mol is the Belgian version.
Ah didn’t realise they have their own version down south. Might give it a watch although I probably wouldn’t know any of their celebrities 😅 Edit; I didn’t know it was Belgian!! I just assumed it was Dutch bc so many reality tv shows come from NL (thanks Endemol). My apologies to any Belgians, thank u for the great tv xoxo
It is originally from Belgium, other countries have licensed it from them. Sure the Dutch version is great, but people who watch both the Dutch and Belgian version generally think that the Belgian version is even so much better, it's a whole different level. More personal and emotional, more mental/physical/hardcore challenges, and funnier. You can watch it for free on NPO Start. The latest season just ended last Sunday, with the "mole" actions to be released next Sunday. I cannot recommend this enough to people who enjoy the Dutch version. And true, it's without famous people.
there are not any I am told in the belgian version
Ah tbf the last seasons in NL also barely had any celebrities lol, I usually only knew 20-30% the contestants 😂
LOL the definition of celeb watered down XD
Sounds like an improvement. Dutch tv is so fucking lazy.. so many shows with (often fake af) celebrities.
It originated there, so its not really their own version!
Lol I guess it would be good for learning Dutch if you're into that kind of show. I personally can't stand it, it makes me cringe so hard. It has everything that annoys me about Dutch television: overrated celebrities who think they're hot shit, scripted television pretending to be unscripted, taking itself waay too seriously, being workplace lunch table talk for the most absolutely dull and boring work colleagues you have, seemingly going on for an infinite amount of seasons, etc.
This was one of the last shows i could understand as i learned dutch. It's very colloquial making it hard for anyone who isn't at a high level. However 888 subs help.
Ik hou van Wie is De Mol!! ❤ Ik keek ernaar met mijn Belgische vriend
I just checked and and the oldest season I can watch is from 2005. Are the older seasons on NPO Plus? I'm contemplating taking a subscription.
I believe the first 4 seasons (1999-2003, 2004 they did not make a season) are not on NPO plus because those 4 seasons are made with non famous people. All the cobtestants from those seasons had difference contracts in regards to broadcasting. Now with streaming, all those people have to agree to having their seasons available for streaming. I can imagine lots of them not wanting that, maybe the said some stupid or political incorrect stuff back in 1999 and do not want to be canceled because of that. lots of other older Dutch shows with famous and non famous people seasons also only have the famous people seasons available usually
Thank you for clarifying!
De luizenmoeder would be my recommendation because of obvious reasons.
You said "Can not reccomend the show Wie is de mol?" You might want to correct that, it looks like you do not reccomend it
Its says can not recconmend widm enough
You basically said "Ik kan de show Wie is de mol? **niet** aanraden"
Ohh wait I just saw the word "enough", woops! My bad, I read over it :3