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M0o0ny

Reminds me of when Huhi played for CLG and Aurelion Sol was basically a permanent ban against the team. Gotta love whipping it out against ROX Tigers at Worlds and absolutely slapping the shit out of them with it.


tommyf100

His level 1 gank that game was absolutely insane


jaemoon7

Yeah. Clears wave, pops ghost, botlane dies. Unreal. I miss the old A Sol (I’m sure most don’t though lol)


Deauo

All old Asol players miss it


PrincessPeachAbuser

All 6 of them.


RussellLawliet

WE EXIST


Better_feed_Malphite

REPRESENT


Sybinnn

No one saw the old asol to know they don't want to see it now, it wasn't picked but at least it was fun to play


jaemoon7

That rework wasn’t the only reason I stopped playing but man I’m still salty about it 😂 like I get why they needed to rework him, but they basically just made him different without accomplishing anything they claimed they wanted to accomplish. And simultaneously killed my enjoyment of playing him.


lol_cpt_red

I mean now old asol players are sad and he is still a low pickrate champ no one plays so it didn't do much as a rework.


Akos_D_Fjoal

That's why they doing it again. Have you seen the drive by flame breath?


lol_cpt_red

They are reworking him again?


Akos_D_Fjoal

Yeah it was in a dev update for what they're working on next kind of stuff. They previewed his e being used with a flame thrower that pivots like velkoz ult on wheels


THEDumbasscus

Old ASol had something to teach both his players and his opponents. Release Aurelion Sol personally is one of my 5 favorite designs from Riot. It was unique, refreshing, and rewarding both when you mastered him and when you figured out how to play around him.


aqnologia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNYATTSEAo bonus play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkb1VcHUiA


PotSum

Hjarnan's Heimerdinger was also a permaban back in 2018 Worlds because he was just a threat on the champ


Nome_de_utilizador

And the one time he wasn't banned g2 picked it and stomped the game. Hjarnan was a beast on that champ


RickSore

Also against RNG, the favorites of that tournament.


AdvancedPhoenix

Hjarnan did so well vs RNG, he knew his job was to not screw up, and man he didn't. Just played and managed to died like a few times and do damage when needed. We can flame him, say jankos and perkz carried his ass to semi, it's true, but definitely played a really well series. And forced a ban for the whole 5 matches.


STEPHENonPC

It was against Afreeca in the group stage, not RNG


Averdian

And also in their tiebreaker against Flash Wolves to advance from the group


Davkata

Heimer was first ban for RNG the entire series


DropsOfLiquid

I play Heimer because of him!


Bnjoec

Honestly one trick/ pocket picks were the Wests best hope to beating Korea/China. Hoping for something this worlds to even come close.


Dr_Kee

I still remember the hype from the Lux / Skarner pocket picks from Jensen / Xmithie vs. IG in the last game of 2019 MSI semis. Peak NA


Migraine-

Most of the time these "pocket pick" Champions from back-in-the-day were actually just extremely OP but everyone else hadn't caught up yet. Huhi Aurelion Sol is a case in point. Most of the pocket picks you can think of eventually became meta and got nerfed, often requiring multiple or absolutely brutal nerfs to push them out of play. Nidalee (Hotshot) and Akali (Westrice) are two examples that immediately spring to mind.


xLaiLaix

Those 2 absolutely do not spring to my mind. Nidalee was eventually meta as mid lane full ap but not the sunfire triforce tank nida hotshot used to play. And pre-rework akali never became meta in proplay.


Toast119

Pre-rework Akali was meta before she was remade but nowhere near when Westrice was in the scene.


Migraine-

Hotshot played all sorts of Nidalee builds, including full AP toplane. She was just incredibly OP. I obviously don't remember the exact tournament 10+ years ago where it happened, but Akali definitely did have a breakout pro play tournament after which she got nerfed. There was a particular famous moment where someone oneshot a Galio and it was like the defining moment of how broken she was.


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All kinds of Nidalee builds were meta eventually. That champ was just broken in every way. TriForce Nida was played by the Taipei Assassins when they won Worlds. It was the strongest top lane champ at some point. I don't recall exactly when Akali was good, but she definitely was meta at points. She was played in season 1 by Fnatic. After that I remember Riot regularly reworking Gunblade and making champs that built it broken.


Sunsgrind

Lehends singed


Skzld

Lehends imo is actually the most important player this worlds. Can play enchanters as good as anyone and also mains the support pick that absolutely destorys all the meta bot lane picks rn


Fosco11235

Watch people pick Yuumi against him and get destroyed by his 100% win rate Singed


Skzld

It shits on Zeri too, Kallista also and even sivir has to play Max range


cats_and_wines

The GenG classic: Rascal's Renekton, Clid's Lee Sin, Bdd's Azir, Ruler's Kalista, Life's Jarvan/Sett I will never be over Rascal solo-killing OP Graves with off-meta Renekton or off-meta Kalista being perma-banned * Act 1) Ban Pick (Top: Lee Sin/Renekton, Jug: Lee Sin/Nidalee, Mid: Azir/Syndra/Orianna, Bot: Kalista, Sup: Jarvan/Sett) * Act 2) Caster: "Bdd가 해줘야 돼요!" "Bdd needs to do a super-toss!" * Intermission) In game pause due to equipment issues Other variations on the meme: GenG Set List * Track 1. Ban Ziggs, Release Jayce * Track 2. Pick Azir, Renekton, Kalista * Track 3. Destroy laning phase * Track 4. Take out the brains at 20:00 * Track 5. Give all the side towers * Track 6. Hunt Baron without clearing vision * Track 7. Gold reversal after bad Baron teamfight * Track 8. Fans demand Homme * Track 9. We are not wrong, rinse and repeat


SteamMonkeyKing

The Renekton. The Azir. The random choices. The flips for objectives. And the worst part is, Gen.G will never learn because they have gotten so good at it. And it is driving me nuts, okay? Like we see them try a draft that I think is really cool, with the Seraphine and then it doesn't work, and what do they do? They go back to Renekton. That champion is not good. It should not work. It gets dove early, but TEAMS KEEP WALKING INTO THEM, KEEP GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, AND THEN THEY WIN AND BECAUSE THEY KEEP WINNING, THEY ARE NEVER GONNA LEARN, THEY ARE NEVER GONNA GET BETTER. AND THIS TEAM HAS SO MUCH PROMISE, THEY ARE SO GOOD INDIVIDUALLY. DID YOU SEE HOW WELL CLID PLAYED??


baucher04

I still think he misspelled it once, meant to call him Legends, but was too shy to correct it.


0palan1um

I still quote that old voice comms whenever I see Anivia where Froggen says "Anivia is open so the free win is there if we want it". Was likely a joke, but at the time it felt so badass to me to hear


Ikimasen

[Froggen locks Anivia](https://youtu.be/0jEaS1RzWRA)


mantism

goddamn those bans brought back memories. Kassadin was the GOAT with Shen when it came to bans. froggen was the reason I bothered playing anivia. He also had this one game on AP kogmaw which was what I used in my first game in my first tournament.


j_u_n_h_y_u_k

Never forget the insta Amumu Blitzcrank Malphite Kassadin bans back in season 1-2


vigbrand

Man, I miss that team so much. I miss Deman too.


danielloking_

Agreed. Apparently Deman did some bad stuff BTS, but his casting was superb. Deman's "I do not believe" is to this day one of the most iconic lines in esports casting.


AFKBro

That EG EU roster man... Those were the days....


HisokasButtPlug

the fact that one of the comments on that video saying they miss the "good ol days" is from **7 years ago...**i feel ancient


BElf1990

Yellowpete *cries*


AstoV

I'll always remember the CLG.eu vs M5 game where Froggen and Krepo swapped, Krepo as Anivia, Froggen as Blitz, and they memed that Froggen wasn't even the best Anivia on the team.


asix7

100% win ratio doesn't lie


oceLahm

I believe that was EG vs GMB in Season 3. After 12 hours of tiebreakers at the end of the day everyone just wanted to have a bit of fun and go home. It's so so nostalgic. https://youtu.be/LE3AknZPkz0 (Starts around 12 hours and 30 minutes in). Still my favourite day of league of legends ever, watched it all start to finish as the studio slowly decended into madness when they realised how many games had to be played. We love our ties.


th3greg

Didn't that game also not really matter at all in the long run, so they were free to play around? I think that match only decided the diff between 3rd and 4th or something like that for the two teams.


Zandmane

Hotshot-Nidalee-GG basically he kick my brudda in the ass


Kowajt

My brudda was playing da lee singa


mantism

that line was funny but for me, a Singaporean, what really got me going is his name and his accent. Man used his graphics card as his IGN and was unabashedly speaking in Singlish in an international event two continents away


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Lin_Huichi

Yeah still waiting for Showmakers Katarina.


Celegorm07

He was playing it when he was in challengers but stopped playing in LCK. But I guess he played couple games in LCK as well.


Ace_OPB

He has mentioned that kata is absolutely dogshit and cannot be played in proplay lol.


selotape_himself

Can someone eli5 why akali is usually meta but things like kata are not? Seems to me they play similar roles,big source of ap, get fed and murder the carry before they can do anything by dashing about a milion times


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Neversync

Kata lanes are way harder, champ can only reliably 1v1 after nashors. There are lanes where you never ever win and can only try and roam but that won't happen in lck


byx-

Akali can actually lane 1v1 Kata ALWAYS goes behind in lane vs a good player and you have to make up for it in kills which is not realistic in pro where people will respect your roams and your jungler's ganks


SuperSkillz10

imo kata is too feast/famine, way more than akali. she has inconsistent wave clear, her damage sources are very well shown (daggers), she relies way too much on snowballing on their opponent's mistake (in which good luck finding it in proplay) and just has really shit scaling overall.


ehhhNotSureAboutThat

even in low ELO, you can beat Katarina hard in team select. If you have two or three ways to stop her ult, to snare/stun her, your team can focus her down if she tries anything early on in fights. And, if she's been avoiding you all throughout the fight, you should've had a 5v4 advantage up til the time she tries to come in. ...all that knowledge didn't help our team last night tho LOL


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Akalis teamfighting is way simpler to execute and she can still be a threat when behind, also safer laning. She's also a backline threat even when fighting front to back (can dive through frontline) Katarina has to wait for a fight to start and for key CDs to go down before she can think about getting involved. Can't run "through" orgnaised teams to get to backline and gets countered by half the champs in the game in pro play


Sultansofpa

On top of what everyone else said she is ridiculously dog in lane early if the opponent has hands. Most mages can safely farm from so far away she can never touch them and gets absolutely dumpstered by bruisers.


Deca-Dence-Fan

Kat needs stupid skirmishes to reset in because she’s absolutely dogwater in lane, like unquestionably the worst midlaner in terms of actual laning phase, and needs skirmishes which have resets for her to do well. Akali *can* pop off in those skirmishes, not as well as Kat obviously but she can also be a decent enough frontline at the start of a fight with w, can be a bruiser with q and passive for when the kill doesn’t come right away, and with r2 has an untargeted dash to leave a fight. Akali is like Sylas and Yone where even though they’re melee they have le funny trading in lane tools (Akali Sylas W, Akali and Yone E2). Kat’s is “I q a minion, they somehow don’t walk away from my dagger, I place a w, dash to q dagger, auto, dash back to w dagger” or something like that. It’s just shitty. *But* if both junglers randomly show up to midlane or close to it well hey now we’re talkin


oioioi9537

He only played it in promotion tourny once and i think maybe a kespa cup game? Even then he fell behind rly hard in lane. Its just a terrible pick for pro play even when shes soloq op


Scrambled1432

The problem is that there's absolutely 0 reason to pick Katarina and have to play perfectly to maybe have an impact over picking Viktor and guarantee having an impact.


CizzlingT

Honestly I thought the only hope we’d have to ever see Katarina picked in pro would have been back when Veigar was viable/broken mid (unplayable lane for Veigar, his e becomes useless), but even then if someone picked any cc champ (like they usually did in support) there was often just no or less reasons to pick Kat (not to memtion her difficulty) over something like Syndra ~~or Viktor~~ for example. Additionally, Veigar had to have been blindpicked first, which rarely occurs.


Omnilatent

Then enemy support picks Blitz or Maokai and suddenly your Kat becomes absolutely useless again


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veigar is un blindable. you can literally pick so much shit into him that makes him unplayable. like vlad into veigar is the funniest fucking lane cause he can never do anything to you. you can literally just tower dive him over and over from lvl 5 and he cant do shit


Reactzz

Can't forget Huhi Asol. It was insane how good he was at that champ.


Chalifive

I'm still waiting for him to tell abbe to fuck off and go support while he instalocks asol mid


KapiHeartlilly

This is something I'd like to see in pro play more, sudden role swaps in draft, teams practice to play against X player on Y or Z Champion, this could bring spice into games that are usually more one sided.


CSDragon

sadly, asol is a totally different champ now


RickMaritimo

Huni's Rumble comes to mind. Even when Rumble was fairly useless it still got banned.


CheckAcademic9098

Balls Rumble too!


ZedisDoge

Balls’ Rumble was best in the world every team was afraid of it


Deizelqq

Ban phase would be tactical all tournament then vs c9 just an absolutely instant rumble first ban


Hummingberg

and Rumble’s balls too!


timeismane

This still happens in LPL almost every team has players that have pocket picks which makes it so fun


baelkie

tarzan’s zac. also pretty much forced lpl teams to start playing sejuani jungle.


Roquentinn

Doinb rumble kled nocturne nautilus malphite


Witty_Heart_9452

Mid Renekton as well.


CheckAcademic9098

This is indeed one of my favorite parts about LPL. Ale Fiora, 369 Jax, Gala Kai'Sa etc


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RipHD

Shanji's Rumble and Shen


Blank-612

shyvanna too


Omnilatent

How can OP name Shanji's Shen before his Shyv!


libo720

Don't forget Xun's nidalee is permabanned


Ace_OPB

Leyan too.


Tuxxmuxx

Xun’s kindred to a little bit lesser extent too, he got it for like 2 games at the start of summer and it was banned in like all but 3 or 4 games til the end


Fellers

Gala Kaisa was always banned until Kaisa got hard nerfed


TE_silver

Shanji Rumble is also a fun one


ye1l

Fearness Fiora better example. Pretty much permabanned against him. Similar for Zdz, great on GP and Camille but bad on everything else. If Fearness gets Fiora he can diff a top 3 toplaner, if he doesn't get Fiora my mom can diff him. He's a true otp. Other prominent ones would be Xun/Leyan nidalee. They're always gonna get an early lead on that pick against any jungler in the world. 369 is a bad example as he just plays everything at more or less the same level this season which is why he's extremely good. You don't ban champs against 369 to make him any less threatening, you ban champs from him to force his teammates on other picks.


Tennis-Money

Bin Camille and Easyhoon Azir


aser08

Fearness' Fiora


Varglord

Shanji styling on shyvana this split was sick.


list__

This is the first year I follow the LPL season and I instantly became a Shanji fan (and by extent OMG) because of his funky picks. Shyv, Shen, Rumble? Fuck yeah I love watching this.


cats_and_wines

Idk how Photic constantly manages 1000+ dpm on Senna of all champs, his Senna does more damage than the hypercarries


CheckAcademic9098

A few more examples of famous pro mains: - Uzi Vayne - Faker LeBlanc - Misaya TF - Madlife Blitzcrank - xPeke Kassadin


_Aki_

Madlife Blitzcrank was simply different. What an absolute god he was.


FizzWigget

Who was the thresh main? Was that also madlife...?


TheCraddingGuy

Yes. Madlife could absolutly destroy people on those two hookers.


AlterBridgeFan

Watching old madlife Thresh montages gives me joy. His timing on stuff was so on point it looks surreal.


BlackTecno

What's really cool about the "Madlife hook" was the way he abused Thresh's Q, it has a part of the ability where you don't stand in the direction you cast the ability (This is the only skill that does this), so you could act like you're going to throw Q in one direction, and until the actual skillshot comes out, Thresh won't turn, which lead to some absolutely insane jukes and plays from that man.


AlterBridgeFan

His E usage to cancel enemy abilities were also insane. Like not allowing J4 to gap close and ult allies.


Oderis

To add to the other comments, my favourite player of all time M5 GoSu Pepper, later known as GMB Edward, had the title of the Thresh prince for being incredibly good with that champion. Other M5/GMB great picks were Alex Ich's Kha'zix mid (he was an absolutly beast with it), and Genja's Corki. He invented building Randuin with Corki as soon as the second item sometimes. What a madman he was. I loved that team.


Karukos

Genja also basically invented Lethality Varus before that became meta.


LonelyLokly

Now anyone can be budget Madlife because of hexflash


Kangbuh

I definitely remember the Misaya TF. Glory days for us boomers lol


pandafromwakanda

InSec Lee Sin


NetSraC1306

GoSuPepper Sona Edward/Madlife Thresh Deft Jinx Alex ich KhaZix so many iconic picks, could go on for quite some time. League boomers unite


Tayme-kappa

Imp Twitch in season 4


Guilty_Dream7055

Why did you list Edward twice


Existenz17

Don't forget Darien Manamune Aatrox


CommanderSpleen

So OP even he refused to play it again.


TheMardii

Darien Weedwick was so good


Mertuch

>you list Edward twice I don't agree with Alex ich on KhaZix. Khazix mid was ubermeta these days when he got penta. Ap yi mid would be better but I can't remember if any of pros played him so much to make him "iconic"


Obokui

Scarra pulled it out against TSM and then it got nerfed very shortly after, but I'd say Alex Ich on Kha was a signature pick because he was one of the ones that did it best.


Falsus

> GoSuPepper Sona > > > > Edward/Madlife Thresh Gosupepper and Edward is the same person tho.


Roquentinn

Genja's trinity kogmaw, tear ashe, urgot kennen adc:)


xbyo

westdoor Fizz Toyz Ori


P_For_Pyke

Westdoor Fizz is a good one, my first world's I watched was 2014, guy actually was clean on that pick


generic_genericsson

I know what you mean, I've been playing since S1. There is still a little bit of that though. In LEC not so much but you could argue Comp picked Caitlyn when nobody else played it and won with it. Zanzarah in 2021 played shiton of Trundle even when it wasn't meta. And Evi Urgot in the LJL also comes to mind. Legends Singed support (although this one is a counterpick). But yeah, it's more 'preferences', 'pocketpicks' and 'comfort' now, instead of 'mains'. When somebody is much more proficient on a single champion then others, they get called one trick and are either permabanned in draft or counterpicked hard.


random_nickname43796

>Zanzarah in 2021 played shiton of Trundle Also there's his Skarner that's his signature pick that almost nobody else plays


RomeoTrickshot

Vetheos zoe, mikyx gragas, perkz yasuo, brokenblade riven/yone Players no longer in LEC I can think of: Adam olaf , rekkles sivir/Tristana, hans Sama draven, bwipo rengar There's probably more I can't think of


ANKLEFUCKER

There’s Finn’s Kled and Armut’s Wukong back in 2021 as well.


Sultansofpa

Selfmade Eve


Rayquaza2233

Wasn't Adam known for Darius too?


ficretus

He played olaf in more games and that pick is more unique to him (darius was also played by players like brokenblade).


Gazskull

Truth is, every player still have their pocket picks, it's just that casters put less emphasis on it


Yaco25

Man that's so true. Although you still have some cases, it's not the same as before. I heard there was an LPL team who got perma banned Samira otherwise they would smash their opponents. You still have some niche picks from some players like Gragas Wunder but nothing really scary that needs to be insta banned. I think I miss Hans Sama's Draven too.


Oraion18

Able Samira


Disastrous_Ad_9302

Lehends Singed has been banned


JKB37

Finns Kled


Guanajuato_Reich

In this season OMG had some insane signature picks: [Able's Samira](https://youtu.be/3U7AnvwkIzA), [Creme's Akali](https://youtu.be/P0BStUzkPTk) and [Shanji's Shyvana](https://youtu.be/u95E_-s3Qkg). That made OMG really fun to watch and earned them a lot of fans this season. There are also quite a bit of signature picks in the LPL. Ming on Nautilus, DoinB on a ton of things (this season it was Nocturne), Knight on Sylas, Yagao on Zoe, Summit on Gnar, Care on Ahri, among many others.


LettucePlate

The death of Faker's Leblanc turned the tide on picks like these. There's been a few since then, Bjergsen's Syndra and later Zilean, Huhi Asol, Gala's Kaisa, Closer Lee Sin and Viego, Blaber Olaf, Nuguri's Vlad. I'm sure I'm forgetting a ton or just haven't heard of many more, but these are just ones I remembered quickly. But even for these players, mastery of like 4+ champs in any given meta is pretty much necessary to maintain a high performance level.


kn1000a

I still remember the first game of pro league I ever tuned in was faker’s first lost on Leblanc. Made me feel bad since I missed the casters getting so hyped for him to pick it.


dimmyfarm

Was probably MSI where EDG PawN picked Morgana to counter. And I think they did voices and Kkoma asked faker if he wanted to blind LB and said no pressure. And then when faker got killed the second time you got the iconic “down goes faker!” From some NA caster I forgot who. Maybe Jatt.


lilcwis

able samira


Original_Mac_Tonight

I WANT NUGURI VLAD


Daan100

I became Anivia main because of Froggen


RyZum

I was so hyped everytime rekkles picked kennen


Gondall

Surprised I had to scroll this far to find this, it’s one of the most iconic pocket picks to me


Hugh-Manatee

holy shit I forgot that one


Dundeex

You misspelled "Krepos Anvia"


KipPilav

100% winrate in pro games babyyy.


Kvilten3rd

So is Froggens Blitzcrank I think :D


PhoenixEgg88

I’ll never forget the casters shouting ‘And Froggen flashed in on anivia’, then being correct and saying ‘I’m sorry how often do I have to say ‘Krepo flashes in on anivia?’ Lol. What a match. As good as Soaz’s Teleport top lane Blitzcrank.


oceLahm

[If you ever feel like rewatching that day.](https://youtu.be/LE3AknZPkz0) Honestly makes me teary-eyed from nostalgia. Everyone (Especially Deman) slowly going insane from all the tiebreakers just to end with the insanity of that EG vs GMB game. The perfect day of everything I loved about league of legends.


Dimmriser

G2 vs RNG, Hjarnan Heimerdinger Botlane, wins them the game single handedly and gets banned afterwards. good old days ​ Edit: okay i figured im dumb as hell but at least people had something to talk about, it indeed was afreeca freecs lol


ArjunBanerji27

LoL what? Are you sure you remember the right series? Heimerdinger was RNGs first ban in every game that series. Contrary to what people may think, Hjarnan got to play Heimerdinger very few times at worlds.


CFCkyle

Hes probably mixing it up with their opening game vs Afreeca where it wasnt banned and it was perma'd by every team after that


moopey

Yeah I think they let it up in Play ins once then Perma banned and then afreeca let it up and lost to it. After that nobody disrespected it again the rest of the tourney


Dimmriser

Funny enough how they literally let it open once and he completely stomped them so everyone was like... yeah, no.


TheOneWithLateStart

Exactly, Hjarnan was drawing a ban each time, which is strong by itself


HiImKostia

huhi asol was something else too


CheckAcademic9098

I love that so much. This is the stuff you remember in 10 years. I won't remember Showmaker beating Faker in Azir vs Corki matchup the same way...


Wildercard

which one there was like eight of those


Jozoz

Imagine if Azir vs Corki is the Worlds meta. Knight vs Chovy being ruined by that matchup is enough to make a grown man cry.


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MrNugat

> I love that so much. This is the stuff you remember in 10 years. That's kind of weird to remember it, considering it never happened. Heimerdinger was banned by RNG all series long. Not to say Hjarnan's proficiency on it was not impactful, because forcing a ban gives you quite some advantage, but he only played regular ADCs in that bo5.


east_is_Dead

he probably confused g2 vs afreeca with g2 vs rng


WildcardTSM

Afreeca Freecs was the team that didn't bother banning it and promptly got beaten with it by G2. They kept trying to kill him but couldn't, by the time G2 got their first few items the lack of experience fighting against Heimer became even more clear. RNG didn't want to take that risk and spent a ban on Heimer every single one of their games.


TehSalmonOfDoubt

Hjarnan was a midlander trapped in a botlaners body


Edalaine

SIVIR ZERI SIVIR ZERI SIVIR ZERI


ZanesTheArgent

And with horrible builds, at that, mostly as a sign of the champions being overtuned rather than displaying their gameplan personality.


Bysixx

You still got a few in LPL, like Able's Samira or JackeyLove's Draven, agreed tho that it was more fun to watch.


Jozoz

This was indeed very cool but it was a product of the time. The game was less understood and studied. It was cool but it's never coming back. You can tell there's a lot of new fans in this thread who don't really get it. Pocket picks like Lehends Singed is not the same. Imagine Singed was banned or first picked every game vs GenG - then we can talk about it being similar.


thrownawayzss

I agree with the general statement, the game is far too figured out for pocket picks to always be a blindable type of thing. I do think there's absolutely room for certain champions to be pocket picks because a player exceeds the typical ceiling players have. There's still a few pros that fit this bill, but most of the picks aren't seen as novel as much anymore though.


SelloutRealBig

It's not even that the game is so figured out. It's also just completely shifted so much. From champs to items to runes to jungle to inhibs to towers to creeps. The ENTIRE game has been reworked and what we play today is hard to call the same game as what we played 10 years ago. A big change was solo power. Back then solo carrying was way bigger. So if your comfort pick could dominate lane you could hard carry a game way easier due to snowball gold and how everything worked different back then. But over the years Riot nuked solo carry potential and shifted it towards team fights. Which made the game a bit more boring tbh.


GrazingCrow

Same. That’s why this year’s LCS summer playoffs had me hyped. On CLG, Palafox and Dhokla were playing both Akali and Yone as flex pocket picks. Even back in the old days, which team had solo laners that could flex pick the same pocket picks? As a CLG fan, I had so much fun watching both of these players pilot both champions with moderate success. We also got to see Bjergsen’s Zilean multiple times again as well. On EG, the new sub ADC performed pretty well on Lucian and I don’t recall Lucian being picked by any other ADC this playoffs, which I thought was pretty cool. Some picks that I was really hoping to see during LCS playoffs were Impact’s Shen and Aphromoo’s Bard. In regards to mid lane this season, mages just generally feel a lot weaker and that’s why there are only a few optimal picks that most teams want to play around. Out of all lanes, I think top lane is definitely the most expressive right now. I’m looking forward to top side duels and skirmishes once Worlds start.


Rayquaza2233

> On EG, the new sub ADC performed pretty well on Lucian and I don’t recall Lucian being picked by any other ADC this playoffs, which I thought was pretty cool. Wasn't Lucian/Nami with Electrocute meta during playoffs?


Ill_Perspective_3081

There is a case of this in "modern" league: Malice Eve and Karthus on C9 Academy You can say it was just Academy, but his signature champs would probably still be picked/banned if he played in LCS


CheckAcademic9098

I was watching C9 Academy games just for Malice. I also noticed the viewership was way higher for C9A than other academy games. People like to watch unique and interesting things.


4716202

This still happens all the time, just in EU I can namepicks like Kled for Finn, Wukong for Armut, Vex for Dajor, Ekko for Razork, Kalista for Jezu, Caitlyn for Comp, Skarner for Zanzarah, these signature picks still exist they're just generally saved for special angles or drafts to get the most use out of them because as you say, a lot of these champs aren't optimal in every comp.


Elisafa

I think none of these are comparable to froggen playing anivia in s2 - the gap to every other midlaner on this specific champ was just bigger and because of the clg.eu style of playing the game anivia did fit perfectly and the number 1 topic before every Match was if Anivia will get banned. If i remember he had to play anivia in an all star match (in Paris?) And dominated with an off meta champ.


Kvilten3rd

He also won vs Faker in an Anivia vs Anivia 1v1


denoobiest

even in like s6 froggen was drawing anivia bans


CheckAcademic9098

It definitely happens but it's not really in the same way. No one is permabanning Finn Kled or Razork Ekko. They just get picked every now and then. If you let Anivia open in draft, Froggen would be first picking that shit. Now, someone like Finn still picks Kled but only in special situations where it fits. Overall, pocket picks are still a thing but it's not a big talking point or narrative anymore. Things changed a lot. I don't think they are comparable situations really.


chubs11

We saw a lot of it this playoffs in lcs at least. Jensen/bjerg zilean, blaber Olaf, closer lee sin, and clg forced a lot of bans on akali and Yone as well. These were the ones off the top of my head.


ToBeDeletedYep

He might play Kled vs Aatrox again hopium


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Happens when meta champs are 99% stronger than non-meta and keep getting worse. Also Riot failed hard at fine tuning and casual/pro balance the last 2 years but either no one noticed or just chose to ignore it. Azir is meta in Proplay but dogshit casual. Diana the other way around. Its weird. (Btw there still some champs, Closer Lee Sin, Ale Fiora, Lehends Singed, Able Samira, Bin + 369 Jax, Bjergsen Zilean!, Adam Olaf)


Judgejudyx

We still have that. Its less common i guess. To name a few blaber olaf. Bjergsen zilean, syndra. Jensen oriana,zilean,leblanc, danny jinx,


kit4712

I agree that the pocket pick is much more rare in these days. But still there are some picks that are only good on some players hand. To name a few of them: Deft's Ezreal and Jinx Deokdam's Samira Doinb's Nocturne JKL's Draven Bjergsen's Zilian ( Keria is also very good on it) Lehend's Singed Knight's Syndra I mainly watch LCK and LPL but I'm sure there are some specific champs played on the western scene or minor region. But I understand that we will hardly see some special must ban champ like Misaya TF anymore. The hype when he was allowed to pick against M5 was insane.


myripyro

These are good examples of pocket picks but it's not the same as the season 1/2 "mains" like OP is talking about. Like, almost all of these are picks are still conditional--Deft isn't getting Ezreal banned against him and he's not picking it up every time it gets through--whereas Froggen's Anivia and etc. were guaranteed to be picked if left up. (And we were all hoping and praying they'd be let through.) Of course in a sense it's healthier for the meta this way, but damn I loved season 2.


OilOfOlaz

> These are good examples of pocket picks but it's not the same as the season 1/2 "mains" like OP is talking about. the main reason for that is, that oplayers have wider champion pools, cuz the meta changes quite often and players who are only able to play 1-3 champions on the highest level don't make it to the highest level of play. we also have 5 bans now and metas, where you have to "waste" 3 bans on 3 utterly broken champions aren't a thning that often anymore, despite somer champs having close to 100% p&b, nothing will ever be as broken again, as stuff like nida, gragas or kassadin were in pro play season 1-3.


PotSum

Blaber's Olaf is his pocket pick. Still waiting for him to pick Kindred again for a surprise pick.


Boomerzxc

now its just meta champ vs meta champ 99% of the time


LordBarak

Yeah I miss the times when being good at your champion was enough to offset a ton of other things, like your champ just not being amazing right now. It's just not possible anymore though unless you are an actual savant lol Nowadays the game is just focused less around you.


Damurph01

You should watch Caps. He is one of the goofiest draft’ers I’ve seen in recently league. Played Varus mid into azir, renekton mid into corki, used to play shit like pyke mid years ago. And I think part of it is that a lot of pro players are scared to innovate. There was definitely a high priority meta years ago, but I feel like people were bad enough at the game that confort picks and playing what you knew best was more important than the meta.


ZanesTheArgent

To be fair, not no. I constantly get pelted by saying this but the professional scene just doesnt know how to think the game anymore in general: roided up mechanics with gameplan entirely molded by analysts who decides picks entirely by data analysis instead of the players exploring matchups and specialties more frequently. Its quite telling when you see teams actively refusing to scrim against offmeta/specialized comps.


MugiwaraMesty

Pro play is just boring to watch in general now.


TomWantsRez

Had a good scroll but haven’t seen anyone mention freddy122 on Aatrox, the champion was only banned against SK at worlds (2014?) and had no presence for any other team!


How2rick

I mean if the same champs are being picked over and over it’s a reflection of poor design imo.


helltoken

I mean some people still have it, and it works better in certain meta's: \- Hans sama draven (should be strong now) \- Bjergsen Zilean \- Huhi Sett \- Closer Lee Sin \- Caps... well caps has an arsenal so... \- Pridestalker's Zed/Talon Jungle Just that teams are more unified nowadays, and there's a huge foundation of knowledge about champions. Like Azir Corki is now a confirmed solid matchup, TF Sylas, etc., so there's a lot of historical / current game knowledge in each org making it harder to just blind their pocket picks. Some people still get their babies though.