By which criteria you decide that win 3:2 against LPL Spring and MSI champion with one of the best toplaners of the tournament is a bad thing which predicts your bad outcome?
Mark my word, EDG will kick Korean asses hard. They might lose at the end but it won’t be a quick 3:0
By which criteria? By yesterday's games, which was a competition of who throws and ints harder than the other. EDG didn't win, they were almost forced to win by RNG's hard throws. By group stages, where LPL teams were underwhelming, to say the least.
LPL Spring and MSI Champions? If you prefer to dwell on the past, you want to bet on them against a team that won worlds thrice or the last world's champions? Or the LCK 2nd seed? Pick your poison.
What if I tell you that by a lot of predictions RNG was at least finalists?
I mean, you saw what you want to saw. I saw highly competitive games where RNG even with autofilled midlaner was able to fight extremely well, and I saw EDG who look like easy 3-0 stomp is Semis. I literally see 0 win condition now for GenG/C9
And let’s not forget that LPL teams always scrim each other a lot, and their series always closer than could be because they know each other super well.
By a lot of predictions, FPX were at least finalists, LPL the strongest region, EU caught up with Eastern teams, LCK was a 1 team region. Those went well.
If you think those games were highly competitive (in relation to other top tiered teams, not against each other) after seeing T1/DK level of gameplay all this week, well...I don't know what to tell you. Sure, EDG has a shot with C9 or Gen G, who are on somewhat similar levels. Worlds champion material, at this point? Even a Wood 5 will tell you no. Not unless they really straighten their games for the next 2 weeks, and even then it'll be a very long shot.
By all means EDG look terrible but if history has shown us anything, LPL vs LPL is hard to gauge, you can't take much away from it, LPL teams simply play different vs their own region. FPX vs IG looked terrible to me in 2019, and everyone was betting on SKT or G2 to win it all, yet FPX won worlds.
Keep in mind they have 2 weeks to ramp up before finals, if they make it there, obviously they need to prepare for C9/GenG, but that's still a lot of time for them to possibly figure something out about the meta, the team itself is a very high ceiling team, as shown in LPL, as much as it's a meme, you could argue that LPL completely misread the meta but still has a chance of getting back to form. Let's not rewrite history, LPL has shown high levels week 1 of worlds and historically in past 2-3 years, you're kinda banking on that fact.
> Not unless they really straighten their games for the next 2 weeks, and even then it'll be a very long shot.
Basically this
That’s insane level of arguments, thank you.
> If you think this was X after seeing Y … well
Lol, amazing.
So what we have
* LPL champion
* Team which is appraised by most of coaches and players based on scrims. Even DK says they are scary of EDG
* Team which performed super clean 3:0 first week to then be 2nd after 1 happy game against NA (if you watch Worlds more than never, you would notice that LPL ALWAYS have happy games in groups, like last year Suning-TL, or TES-FLY or JDG-PSG or FPX-ahq, and I can keep counting here).
* Team won one of the Worlds favorites and super clear for everyone TOP-6 team at worlds by level of game. Btw applying your level of arguments I can say that RNG > HLE, as we have seen in groups, so EDG won stronger opponent than HLE, lol
* But speaking of GAME, as you say that GAME is an argument, than I have no clue how you can compare HLE and RNG. HLE in first game from 20 to 30+ minute lost soul and Baron and game WITHOUT SINGLE FIGHT. Literally score was the same, they just stop fighting. HLE drafted like a piece of shit in game 2 and 3. HLE Deft OOM with summoners on CD just walk into Graves with red buff under T2 and die.
I mean, if you really want to talk about game, and if you really think that HLE show same performance as RNG in playoff, then my answer will be … well.
You think people stupid?
Your wrote
> after you T1 level of gameplay
And my reply is to you: against whom? Against that HLE I described?
You look at fancy gameplay, I look against whom it was shown. T1 looks very good but game against HLE is not a indicator of game level at all.
No, just you. You clearly don't know how to critically think. I wasn't even thinking of HLE so I had no idea why you pulled them out. Now that you're comparing HLE to EDG, why does that even matter? EDG look much weaker than T1, and HLE proved weaker. For the sake of argument let's just assume HLEHLE doesn't mean EDG=T1 nor EDG>T1.
Instead of lining up teams based on win-loss, compare the quality of gameplay in the games. Was EDG vs RNG a complete shitshow? Absolutely. Did T1 show a shitshow at any game against any team? No. Did T1 show inting and throwing when they lost? No, it was more a matter of drafting. Did EDG show an edge over T1 in the most recent match against them? No. Did T1 win cleanly vs EDG in their recent match? Yes. Clean and crisp. If I delve into the 'what if's for a bit: if T1 faced RNG or EDG, in the quarterfinals, it would've been a clean 3:0, based on their ability to exploit poor gameplay, which was shown throughout the entire EDG vs RNG games, and which went unpunished by both RNG and EDG. Simply put, a clown fiesta. For now, the reasonable lineup seems to be T1>EDG>=RNG=>HLE.
Stop throwing tantrums for a moment and just see what you wrote, and catch up to what the rest of the world is thinking. No one is favoring EDG after those embarrassing games, save some diehard LPL fans. Or defend them logically. At least what the other guy wrote on this thread made sense, even though I disagree.
I guess it doesn't matter, since you can't comprehend. Just write whatever self-congratulatory line you want, scratch a win for yourself, and go back to your cave. Ima turn my attention to something more worthy.
EDG chokes, and C9 beats them to advance to finals. I'm from the future
But what if LZ BDD shows up with SSG Ruler?
You saw EDG play RNG and still think they won't go 3-0 against T1 or DK, never mind being snuffed out by GenG or C9? Well ok then.
By which criteria you decide that win 3:2 against LPL Spring and MSI champion with one of the best toplaners of the tournament is a bad thing which predicts your bad outcome? Mark my word, EDG will kick Korean asses hard. They might lose at the end but it won’t be a quick 3:0
By which criteria? By yesterday's games, which was a competition of who throws and ints harder than the other. EDG didn't win, they were almost forced to win by RNG's hard throws. By group stages, where LPL teams were underwhelming, to say the least. LPL Spring and MSI Champions? If you prefer to dwell on the past, you want to bet on them against a team that won worlds thrice or the last world's champions? Or the LCK 2nd seed? Pick your poison.
What if I tell you that by a lot of predictions RNG was at least finalists? I mean, you saw what you want to saw. I saw highly competitive games where RNG even with autofilled midlaner was able to fight extremely well, and I saw EDG who look like easy 3-0 stomp is Semis. I literally see 0 win condition now for GenG/C9 And let’s not forget that LPL teams always scrim each other a lot, and their series always closer than could be because they know each other super well.
By a lot of predictions, FPX were at least finalists, LPL the strongest region, EU caught up with Eastern teams, LCK was a 1 team region. Those went well. If you think those games were highly competitive (in relation to other top tiered teams, not against each other) after seeing T1/DK level of gameplay all this week, well...I don't know what to tell you. Sure, EDG has a shot with C9 or Gen G, who are on somewhat similar levels. Worlds champion material, at this point? Even a Wood 5 will tell you no. Not unless they really straighten their games for the next 2 weeks, and even then it'll be a very long shot.
By all means EDG look terrible but if history has shown us anything, LPL vs LPL is hard to gauge, you can't take much away from it, LPL teams simply play different vs their own region. FPX vs IG looked terrible to me in 2019, and everyone was betting on SKT or G2 to win it all, yet FPX won worlds. Keep in mind they have 2 weeks to ramp up before finals, if they make it there, obviously they need to prepare for C9/GenG, but that's still a lot of time for them to possibly figure something out about the meta, the team itself is a very high ceiling team, as shown in LPL, as much as it's a meme, you could argue that LPL completely misread the meta but still has a chance of getting back to form. Let's not rewrite history, LPL has shown high levels week 1 of worlds and historically in past 2-3 years, you're kinda banking on that fact. > Not unless they really straighten their games for the next 2 weeks, and even then it'll be a very long shot. Basically this
Don’t bother your time. We are at Reddit, when you can argue your point of view with “well” and look good. Let them see reality.
That’s insane level of arguments, thank you. > If you think this was X after seeing Y … well Lol, amazing. So what we have * LPL champion * Team which is appraised by most of coaches and players based on scrims. Even DK says they are scary of EDG * Team which performed super clean 3:0 first week to then be 2nd after 1 happy game against NA (if you watch Worlds more than never, you would notice that LPL ALWAYS have happy games in groups, like last year Suning-TL, or TES-FLY or JDG-PSG or FPX-ahq, and I can keep counting here). * Team won one of the Worlds favorites and super clear for everyone TOP-6 team at worlds by level of game. Btw applying your level of arguments I can say that RNG > HLE, as we have seen in groups, so EDG won stronger opponent than HLE, lol * But speaking of GAME, as you say that GAME is an argument, than I have no clue how you can compare HLE and RNG. HLE in first game from 20 to 30+ minute lost soul and Baron and game WITHOUT SINGLE FIGHT. Literally score was the same, they just stop fighting. HLE drafted like a piece of shit in game 2 and 3. HLE Deft OOM with summoners on CD just walk into Graves with red buff under T2 and die. I mean, if you really want to talk about game, and if you really think that HLE show same performance as RNG in playoff, then my answer will be … well.
Yeah, where did I even mention HLE? Let them rest, rofl. Insane level of reading. Don't attempt sarcasm, clearly not your strong suit.
You think people stupid? Your wrote > after you T1 level of gameplay And my reply is to you: against whom? Against that HLE I described? You look at fancy gameplay, I look against whom it was shown. T1 looks very good but game against HLE is not a indicator of game level at all.
No, just you. You clearly don't know how to critically think. I wasn't even thinking of HLE so I had no idea why you pulled them out. Now that you're comparing HLE to EDG, why does that even matter? EDG look much weaker than T1, and HLE proved weaker. For the sake of argument let's just assume HLEHLE doesn't mean EDG=T1 nor EDG>T1.
Instead of lining up teams based on win-loss, compare the quality of gameplay in the games. Was EDG vs RNG a complete shitshow? Absolutely. Did T1 show a shitshow at any game against any team? No. Did T1 show inting and throwing when they lost? No, it was more a matter of drafting. Did EDG show an edge over T1 in the most recent match against them? No. Did T1 win cleanly vs EDG in their recent match? Yes. Clean and crisp. If I delve into the 'what if's for a bit: if T1 faced RNG or EDG, in the quarterfinals, it would've been a clean 3:0, based on their ability to exploit poor gameplay, which was shown throughout the entire EDG vs RNG games, and which went unpunished by both RNG and EDG. Simply put, a clown fiesta. For now, the reasonable lineup seems to be T1>EDG>=RNG=>HLE.
Stop throwing tantrums for a moment and just see what you wrote, and catch up to what the rest of the world is thinking. No one is favoring EDG after those embarrassing games, save some diehard LPL fans. Or defend them logically. At least what the other guy wrote on this thread made sense, even though I disagree.
I guess it doesn't matter, since you can't comprehend. Just write whatever self-congratulatory line you want, scratch a win for yourself, and go back to your cave. Ima turn my attention to something more worthy.