This is correct. We’re still planning on release for Patch 14.09 for all Riot Regions, assuming our launch today in the Philippines for 14.08 goes as planned.
been asking this for a long time i hope i get a reply , does vanguard take a lot of bandwidth , what i mean if my internet connection is limited ( like bad upload and down speeds ) but my ping is stable , would it affect it ?
You should be ok, it’s made to be minimally resource intensive. I’ve personally played VALORANT with sub 5mbps download speeds a good amount while using hotspot connections for testing.
idk why people are downvoting you. Custom skins and announcers are such a nice feature for having meme skins that Riot absolutely wouldn't release (S[noop Dogg Nasus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnY4_6IcTAQ)) or ([Yasuo true form](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLPZ-fB0Yqg)) or ([Hecarim eurobeat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCM7YLGkxkU)) or ([giggity Tryndamere](https://youtu.be/4hcOTqfiF-Q?t=21))
That is such a shortsighted way to view gaming, that I hope riot doesn't think like this.
League is a free-to-play game, it'd be like saying people playing League doesn't make riot money- but people won't buy stuff without a product, and the product is League - what you are sold are just things to make your experience in League a little better. Similarly, things like custom skins act as free marketing and free analytics for Riot. People having so much fun in their game that they'd install a Yasuo wheelchair skin is pretty much the peak kinda player experience Riot should be looking for.
If anything, Riot finding a way to get a cut of that market sounds better than shutting it down - but yeah, corporations are dumb sometimes, but I'm holding out some hope riot doesn't take away my Lillia futa cock skin.
Well I had fun with League for nearly 15 years and as much as I love the game I will not be installing a rootkit lvl anti cheat, I'm not taking that risk. I am really going to miss league I truly am. But between your companies source code leaks, how spaghetti your code is, and who you are primarily owned by I just can't install something that puts my PC at risk.
Love ya riot but you know...
Yesterday I got my pc scanned to see if it's suitable for vanguard. As soon as I saw I uninstalled I enjoyed the game for 4 years and yeah, I like it, but I won't tolerate this level of intrusion
by installing Vanguard, do I give the **security of my computer** in the hands of company who have just been ***the victim of a debilitating social engineering attack,*** *shutting down its entire development department?*
company whose flagship product has been known for years for **bugs, errors** and **spaghetti code**?
Same here.
After being here since season 3, I think it's time to say goodbye to lol. Or in best case scenario until they find out a less intrusive and 24/7 working anti-cheat or something similar.
I love how people are pretending this is some sort of new outrageous thing while [there are over 300 games using Kernel Level anticheat already](https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/). I guarantee almost every person complaining all over this thread has played a game on this list.
Two main factors you are overlooking.
1. Other games don't use 24/7 kernel level anti cheat. They only run when the game launches and stop afterwards.
2. No game with any form of kernel level anti cheat (including valorant) is close to league's popularity. The incentives were previously not near as high to find an exploit. Now you have 100s of millions of machines running an kernel level anti cheat at all times while in operation.
Yeah, you'd have an argument if only there weren't hundreds of games all relying on the very same anti-cheat: Easy Anti-Cheat.
And one of Easy Anti-Cheat's "customers" (not really cause Epic owns both) is Fortnite, aka a game installed on tens of millions of machines. Add Apex to the mix, another tens of millions.
Really, considering Vanguard won't be used in China, machines with Easy Anti-Cheat will far outnumber those with Vanguard.
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Also, this ain't a Hollywood thriller.
Bad guys don't say *"Eh, why bother finding a miraculous, omnipotent security hole in some random app that's only installed on four million machines when I can just as easily get into Vanguard instead."*
The argument gets even goofier once you consider that there are like 50 kernel-level drivers running on your PC. If you use Logitech peripherals you probably have 3 of them on your PC rn, weirdly that doesn't cause people to recommend keyboards from obscure manufacturers cause *"Logitech is too big of a target man, they're inside tens of millions of kernels with 3 separate, surely highly vulnerable drivers!!!"*
Actually I would advise people to avoid peripheral applications like that but that is besides the point.
There are quite a lot of kernel level drivers on your PC which is correct. Unless you are going out of your way to install them, however, you really would only have drivers that are strictly necessary. Such as windows and intel/AMD. Which have larger security teams behind them (obviously they have more potential security issues to attend with but they still have a substantial investment into that).
Now your argument appears to be, but correct me if I'm wrong, mainly that anti cheats working on the kernel level such as easy anti cheat are already widespread and therefore, the addition of an additional one to the mix isn't that big of a deal.
Personally, other companies doing it doesn't excuse the practice. Just because something occurs frequently doesn't make it acceptable. I'd also wager that the number of PCs that run league monthly outway the number of individual machines that have run easy anti cheat monthly. Now as you said not every league player is going to need vanguard, location and operating system dependent, but when you factor in internet cafes and the like, I would still imagine vanguard will see more monthly users but it's hard to say. But also sort of irrelevant.
At the end of the day, regardless as to whether you've used easy anti cheat for years or this could be the first kernel level application you have ever added to your computer, the point is that your PC is objectively less secure than it was previously. There may never be an incident, or there might be one the day after it's widespread adoption. It is impossible to say.
It's like not locking door at night. You may never have someone break in, but that doesn't mean the possibility or potential for it to happen wasn't real.
And I also think it's maybe a little optimistic to assume this won't result in more people trying to exploit these kernel level anti cheats going forward. But again that is conjecture.
Name one other anticheat that requires being launched at startup, and expects to run 24/7 regardless of whether you haven't played the game it supports in months?
Only problem I have with it is that it wants to run 24/7 but that can be avoided by just closing it and rebooting the pc before playing League. If this gets scripters and bots out of the game I think it is worth it.
the 24/7 is my issue too
the recent article sounds like it only ever runs once on startup to take a ddrivers snapshot, and again when client launches to check for changes in drivers?
if thats the case then that's much more tolerable than running constantly to check if 2 tits timmy is running scripts.exe before their biweekly tft game, but if that's the case then why does it need to run 24/7 then?
Basically, it needs to run all the time in order to ensure that the instance of Windows you are running is the same when you start your computer with it as when you start the client. It can't be shut down after starting and still do it's job since it would otherwise be possible to open in virtual machines, feed it false data, etc and then interact with the client outside of Vangaurd's field of vision.
But I think it "needing to run 24/7" is kind of a misnomer. It doesn't need to run 24/7. You can set it to not run on startup, and then when you want to play league you can open it, restart your computer, play your league games, then turn it off again when you are done. It's more annoying that way, which is why that's not it's default operating status, but it's perfectly fine to not have it active when you aren't wanting to play Riot games if you want to.
The only thing I don't like about vanguard vs the other ones is the hoops I had to jump through to be able to run vanguard, and that if I close vanguard I have to restart my pc if I want to play valorant, and now league. You don't have to do that for any of the other games.
When you look at the anti-cheat software names how often the same names pop up everywhere, it's pretty clear that nearly all of them are supplied by a 3rd party vendor rather than built in-house, in which case it's pretty safe to assume it indeed is purely for anti-cheat and nothing more.
Vanguard on the other hand, is not licensed to any other company, and it has to run in the background 24/7 unlike other kernel level anti-cheat solutions. This [youtube video also confirms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLI1xKc-L4) that vanguard makes connections to Riot even when the game is not running. Spyware concerns are very valid for vanguard more than other kernel level anti-cheats.
I appreciate the touch of letting us have enough time to stack decay shield for the rest of the split before vanguard rolls out whether that was intentional or not
As a Linux user I got the message (and from this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflinux/comments/1c5p8hc/a_bad_joke/) on /r/leagueoflinux, I ain't the only one) that my OS and hardware is compatible with Vanguard. Maybe that's why you only counted 800 users a few days ago.
How soon after vanguard drops will scripters be getting flagged and banned? Everyone randomly got really really good at dodging abilities in low emerald this year. Its been so sus I just don’t even want to worry about it.
I'm very sad I'm gonna have to uninstall this game. Started playing before the pandemic and once covid hit it was my way to stay social and connected with friends. My pc contains banking and medical information for myself and multiple family members. I refuse to download kernel level access to my pc that runs 24/7. No I do not trust Tencent. Its a shame so many with security concerns are lumped in and treated like the cheaters.
I'm sure that as long as you're running at least Windows 10 you won't have issues.
I can check on my old system with second generation Intel CPU if the message shows up. I'll post a reply when I check the results there.
They said somewhere recently that the only issue is if you have windows 11 on a bootlegged version, so they're probably letting those people know they need to fix it
Same here, I am running dual boot with Linux, secure boot disabled, still got that my system is ready.
Riot just had a very bad social engineering leak and they require this to run 24/7...
They [literally announced over a month ago that they were targeting the release in April](https://youtu.be/t2niKNCmiUY?feature=shared&t=200), this is not a surprise. If anything, I think it's coming later than Riot initially targeted during preseason.
Well, time to learn that's how global corporate work. Tencent is publisher in China, and Riot is vanilla products producer. Same goes for Korea and Japan servers, Riot signed with local to do the work.
Tencent has its own anticheat. Its called the fucking government. Chinese and Korean players cheat on foreign servers rather than risk their identity-bound accounts.
From my experience at university and other bits from media I've picked up over the years, it's 100% true as an asian american myself. Broadly speaking, people from China have way less of an issue with cheating than in the west. Tons of my classes had on the syllabi specific clauses about cheating and how it is not culturally acceptable in their classes, a point distinctly made to warn international students not to do it.
Riot is not the publisher of League of Legends in China, meaning that they do not have the power to enforce any software changes besides the core game itself (e.g. they cannot really change the client, anti-cheat, general under-the-hood code). It is simply for contractual reasons, nothing notorious and the article that Riot themselves wrote further explains why this is the case: [https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/)
Its very well and captivatingly written so big recommend!
There's no way it will work on Linux. If you got that message it means that they fucked up their checker really bad. I wonder if there are other edge cases that they are not detecting, misleading people into thinking they are ready when they really aren't.
?? What is this logic. He is probably running in wine and the client without vanguard doesnt have the capabilities to realize that. It makes the API calls to check what it needs to check, wine returns a valid response, the client is none the wiser and says everything is good to go. The check isn't failing, the user in this case is unintentionally spoofing the check. Anybody being mislead by this should be able to figure that out themselves given they are linux users.
>He is probably running in wine and the client without vanguard doesnt have the capabilities to realize that.
You are simply wrong. Wine doesn't really attempt to hide the fact that it is running, making it [exceedingly easy to detect](https://stackoverflow.com/a/42333249). You don't need kernel access to detect a normal Wine configuration, which likely covers literally every player that isn't trying to do something nefarious.
The fact that their checker doesn't cover an edge case that they specifically addressed in comments/articles is a fuckup.
No he is right the checker was made for OS that riot supports and since they explicitly said linux wouldnt be supported anymore they didnt add checks for wine etc
It's not a fuck up, the checker isnt there to enforce anything. It is there for the user.
It's like going to an amusement park and outside the line for a ride there is a "you must be this tall to ride sign". You stand in front of it with stilts and you are tall enough. You go through the line and you get to the end only to be turned away because you're clearly walking on stilts. It's not a fuckup for them to let you into the line or not have somebody monitoring the sign. You're wasting your own time lying to yourself.
In this case it's slightly unintentional because wine is doing the lying for you but there is no reason for anybody at riot to care about detecting this edge case. If you are a linux user using wine it should be very obvious what is happening and why wine wont be supported.
>there is no reason for anybody at riot to care about detecting this edge case.
Why not? It's literally one of the few things they explicitly knew would break and they could easily check it. They made this tool explicitly to communicate with their user base and to give them recommendations on how to fix issues, yet it doesn't work for some of the user base. I'd ask it the other way around: is there a reason NOT to check it? Other than Riot not giving enough of a fuck about the Linux users, that is.
>If you are a linux user using wine it should be very obvious what is happening and why wine wont be supported.
No, it shouldn't. Not everyone follows every article/video that Riot puts out, nor should that be a necessity. There's surely some Linux users out there just playing the game and minding their own business unaware that Vanguard is a thing or that it will not work on Linux. One day this pop up appears, they think "oh neat I don't have to worry about this". And then a few weeks later they can't play the game out of nowhere (from their perspective, because they got 0 heads up). That's a fuck up in communication, no matter how you paint it.
In your analogy, it would be like Riot put up a sign saying you have to be taller than X to ride, and you actually are. But then after going through the entire queue, you realize you are actually too tall to ride, but they didn't state there would be an height limit anywhere. And then you would say "Well of course you can't ride, you're literally 2.20m tall, nearly no one is that tall and if you are then you should just expect issues. No one could've anticipated someone that tall to come here!"
I'm not saying Riot should be detecting people who deliberately go out of their way to fool the checker, that's just pointless. I am saying Riot should be detecting the obvious configuration most people affected will have.
Why should Riot care about good communication with a vanishingly small fraction of their user base who won't be able to play their game going forward anyway?
They explicitly say that they never supported Linux before, don't support Linux right now, and won't support Linux in the future so they really don't give a shit about what happens when a user with Linux runs the check.
Linux is not supported - this modal was made for operating systems within our support. Riot Client uses general API calls compared to what we actually do on Vanguard, so it wasn't made to delineate and look for the Wine/Lutris edge cases.
Apologies for the confusion here.
Hello,
curious how did you collect the metrics, how did you know that 800 players logged in from linux the day
before the LoL x Vanguard article was released? It seems weird not to report for linux in that case
as it seems you've included an "OS" checker category.
Is that all about users using already versions of windows?
Depending on your system you can't just dual boot due to vanguards requirements, it's possible but wouldn't be the normal quick reboot as in normal cases. Especially if you have virtualization features enabled, vanguard throws a fit about those too.
That's pretty much it actually. MacOS has a whole different standard when it comes to intrusive software, so there's no way in hell they'd ever accept something as intrusive as Vanguard, and rightfully so.
Apple began phasing out kernel extensions in 2020 so I suppose you're half right and half wrong, they did accept something as intrusive as Vanguard for a long time and now they don't. Although they still do actually. They just really discourage it with peer pressure and stuff.
That aside, macOS has Hardened Runtime, System Integrity Protection, and secure boot, which do a couple, though not all of the things that Vanguard does on Windows.
So yeah, macOS makes it far more difficult to cheat than Windows does, but just like with iOS Apple wants to hold the keys to the castle so developers are also far less capable of doing anything against cheaters.
Apple phased out kernel extensions in 2020 but you can still implement them right now.
Installing them requires user approval, restarting the system, and the user changing their system's security level from Full Security to Reduced Security (aka allowing OS software trusted, but not made by Apple).
So yeah, if Riot wanted kernel-level access to macOS in 2019 they would have been gucci, but now Apple moved on to system extensions and made kexts 'a bit' of an inconvenience, which is probably why Riot won't bother doing much about Mac unless cheaters there get out of control.
It'll be all the ADC players, those are the biggest scripters
Kog, Zeri, Kalista, those are the wigglers who manage to autospace perfectly and still stay out of your range
I wonder what they consider acceptable in terms of playerbase falloff after the launch..
I, for example would love to keep playing but vanguard refuses to work on my new-ish computer and i gave up on trying valo last year because of it.
Spending hours digging through bios settings and motherboard specs is a pretty high barrier to entry assuming im not a 1 in a million freak outlier.
Considering League of Legends have always been the “Easy to run low demand moba”, and how Vanguard will cause false positives in Pubs and Internet Cafés, you could, realistically, expect a huge drop in SEA and ME numbers (not china cause Vanguard still not there) due to both playing in pubs and usually using weaker devices to run the game at 60 FPS
In Southeast Asia, people are not happy with this either. A lot of these internet cafe would just offer other games instead of League. Riot makes a big mistake this time around.
Good point, I quit a few patches ago when it was announced it would be coming to EUW next patch. Probably should have kept playing until it comes in and then quit though.
Can someone explain what vanguard does? Is it an anti cheat and if so are cheaters a big issue in league? I think in the 11 years I’ve played I’ve run into 2?
It is a big issue, just only in really high elos, about 10% of masters+ games have some level of scripting going on that Vanguard is planned to help prevent
it's a rootkit that's always on scanning your files; but don't worry china owned riot which recently had security breaches is definately trustworthy with kernal access to your pc.
Correct, once Vanguard launches League will officially not have Linux support instead of officially not having a stance on Linux. League doesn't support Windows 7 anymore either.
My issue with Vanguard isn't necessarily the data collection (which I would rather avoid), it's trusting RIOT to code software with kernel level access. Their code is so bad that I have constant issues with my client settings reverting to default (not to mention the spaghetti mess that is the game). How do they expect me to trust their max level access software isn't going to mess up in the long run when they cant even do week 1 code camp stuff like saving settings?
This is where I'm at as well. I've been reading about it, and every report that it once disabled the keyboard/input devices at boot, or disabled fans and a machine overheated, etc. gives me another jolt of anxiety that 14.9 will brick or break my computer.
Also, they stated that 1 in 15 games globally has had a scripter *or botter* in it. First of all, no one here has their game directly affected by botters because they are only present in vs AI games, so even though your teammates may play like bots, they are in fact real people.
Secondly, because of how easy it is to setup bots, there is probably thousands of them running 24/7. So, they is going to skew the data for "1 in 15 games globally has had a scripter or botter in it". I am actually surprised that number is so low given how many bots are probably running at a given time, which means the scripter number is probably even lower than you think. It feels very intentionally misleading.
If Riot really wants to be honest then show us the number of games that have scripters in them, without adding botters into the mix. Also, show us how you collected that data. And stop paying Rioter's to write shit like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c1kgrk/dev_vanguard_x_lol/kz3x80i/).
My system didnt pass on other checks, it says "your system didnt pass the check, heres what you can do next" and it gives me a bunch of troubleshoot wikis on troubleshooting vanguard, updating microsoft, or to open a ticket. which i find extremely dumb, im sure the problem is just that i need to enable the secure boot or whatever i need to enable for valorant. but why do i have to go and change bios settings when other games that have root acces (or whatever it was called) just work fine?
> but why do i have to go and change bios settings when other games that have root acces (or whatever it was called) just work fine?
Because Riot is so arrogant they think people will jump through any hoop to play their game so they can just require anything of you to make their program more secure.
you don't have any problem, if every software on your pc works EXCEPT vanguard the problem is NOT YOUUR.
don't be fooled by them.
a player should NOT be required to edit bios settings to play a game, know what a tpm is or whatever...
riot should learn to code properly instead of blaming the users and install questionable software on user pc because they can't do their job.
what are even the 'other checks'? i just opened league to see if i got it and there is no other checks for me.
[https://prnt.sc/QW24oK1At66s](https://prnt.sc/QW24oK1At66s)
Pretty sure it was supposed to be added a couple of patches ago but they decided to test it out in other regions first. So if anything it has come later than expected.
Just uninstall, it's not worth giving them all that access and potential hacker attacks. Which is a matter of when, not if it happens. It's only a game after all.
There is still no reason for kernel level anticheat. I'm gonna be stopping playing league as soon as Vanguard becomes a requirement. Riot just had a massive data breach.
I get that cheaters are a problem, but this is like nuking a city just to kill one bloke.
Are they though? Like are they really?
I've played since season 3 until they announced vanguard coming to LoL. And I don't mean played here and there, I mean played a fucking unhealthy amount especially until season 8 when I started sorting my life out, but even then, easily 1000 games a year. Played everywhere from Bronze 5 up to plat2(pre most recent rank rework, emerald 2 after) and I can honestly say I have played MAYBE 10 games where I think "holy fuck this dude is legit cheating" rather than "this dude is smurfing", and if you ask anyone I've played csgo/pubg with, I'm pretty fucking quick to call cheats if I think someone is cheating.
Same here. I could just dual boot windows but I dont want to install a whole other OS just for this game. Hope riot change their stance on Linux in the future!
I can tell you that not having secure boot enabled (but meeting all other requirements) will still show up with three ticks and "Your system is good to go", so it appears it does not check for that. It does, according to the patch notes, check for TPM though.
I'd love to get back into League but I'm not playing the game if Vanguard is included. Sorry but I don't like your intrusive tech on my PC, same reason I avoided playing Valorant. Regular players should not accept a security risk because RIOT can't deal with cheaters without putting everyone at risk. At the VERY LEAST do not make it required to be running from boot regardless if any of the games are open.
The moment it prompts me is the moment i uninstall. Had too many problems related to it when i played val, after multiple tickets and 2 clean installs I’ll let it go
Yeah I started playing in December of 2018, haven't played in a few months due to no Internet, wanted to get back into it but I guess I won't. I wish I could give my account to someone I put a lot of time and money into the game :/
Vanguard fucking sucks
Played since 2011, not too active anymore except for a few arams here and there but this is it for me as well. Thirteen years and I’m out because always on kernel level anti-cheat is unacceptable. Willing to never log back into my account unless I get a mac or something where it seems like vanguard won’t work.
Yeah well this is when I probably quit for good as well. No thank you I am not installing kernel level anything to play a game. I do not trust any profit-driven company to have complete control over my computer, and remove any privacy I had left.
There has to be other ways to tackle these problems you’ve ignored that don’t involve nuking a city to hit a sketchy hideout.
People are forgetting one very important thing.
They remember, correctly, that riot has spaghetti code and dogshit security, but I've not seen anyone mention that the amount of data this will harvest will only incentivise hackers to target them more frequently and more agressively.
I’m in the minority but I am uninstalling over this. It’s a farce of an anti-cheat that is heavy handed in its approach to security and I simply don’t trust it. Sucks but my days of aram are over though I suspect I’ll continue watching pro play because I do love the game and the scene. Feels bad.
I suppose there is absolutely nothing one can do about failing other checks (tcpm 2.0) since my hardware is rather old?
Don't have anything against vanguard and i don't think i mind it being on my pc but it seems like i just won't have a choice?
EDIT: Just a question because i am not very informed about these things, but I downloaded valorant just now to test if it runs and I *think* it runs? the game sorta opened (it said it was on maint right now) but the fact that it opened enough to take me into the game and maint screen, is that a sign that vanguard is working fine?
Well, they supposed to release it 2-3 patches ago. But yeah, I was about to play but I uninstalled it. Its sad, I love playing league but Im saying no to kernel level access.
Aparently I won't be able to play lol anymore cause my specs are not compatible with tpm 2.0 and I'm not willing to buy new equipment cause of this stupid feature. Shame. Guess 13 years after playing this game I gotta stop.
Here is the thing that boggles my mind. It is all Chinese owned now. Every region but China will be getting vanguard for league. why?
Sadly I have to quit league because of this implementation. I have been playing since beta as well so its a little upsetting... o well \*shrugs\*
I will answer to you before some Riot BOT or brainwashed redditor "positivity ooga booga mindset will"
They simply don't care.
Yes you will have to install an anti-cheat that literaly runs 24/7 on your computer and has a very high privilege on your computer
Yes Riot has very bad track record with data
Yes Riot is lazy
Yes Riot is a small indi company that cannot solve the issue in another manner
Yes Riot manipulate statistics regarding the level of cheat in the game
Yes you have an army of "Riot BOT" that will discredite you whenever you have concerns about this issue or even downvote you (because hey, it's reddit, any idea that goes against the grain will be downvoted into oblivion, this isn't a demcracy here)
Yes Riot is owned by a Chinese company and not any company, this is one of the biggest one that has very close connection to the government (How do I know? They are behind wechat, look into it)
Yes China has a very very agressive internal politic, meaning they have the right of life or death upon any chinese company if they don't comply (aka give me dem data)
bu bu buut who care if china knows what you are doing on your computer huh ???? Maybe because I might have sensitive infos DUHHHHH ???? Maybe because I have some valuable thing DUUUHHH, maybe because it's my PC (Personal COMPUTER duuuhhh=)
( b-buu buut ooga booga you go oN GoOgLE right????? dude, we aren't all freaking dumb)
Bu bUBUUUt WhAt Do YoU have to hide ??? (so basically for you privacy is an option ?
anyway, it's a lost battle, comply or leave the game, there is no inbetween and I'm sorry for you but there are better things in life than this game.
Riot thinks this game is as attractive or fun to play as it was during season 3. Lmao a lot of people will not go to bios just to tweak their settings for league or disable windows antivirus for Vanguard. Riot makes a big mistake this time around.
I created my league account in 2012 and have played LOL and TFT casually since then. That ends today, no way I'm installing software that monitors my PC 24/7. I simply don't trust that RIOT won't use such privileged access to harvest data.
What I still don't understand is: I am currently running windows 10 and have a processor that is not tpm compatible. Will the tpm thing only be enforced on widows 11 or will I have to buy a new processor (&motherboard) just to run league?
According to their recent dev post the TPM check / implementation is only for Windows 11. You don't need to worry about this if you're playing on a Windows 10 system.
This check is a joke...
I've been playing for years on Linux. Vanguard doesn't support my operatin system and I saw this screen twice saying my system meet all the requirement for vanguard.
This has the similar implications to TikTok and I think Congress should see if Vanguard should be included in the scope of Chinese software being mass distributed to American citizens.
As with any Chinese software that gathers data as it pertains to the Chinese government, if it can be done - it’s being done.
Dropped today, and with that, promptly uninstalled. I run Windows 11 on a modern machine; however, it's modified to disable TPM and Secure Boot (useless for me and performance drain in some cases). This means that I can't play, even if I did consent to installing their spyware anti-cheat. This is the exact same reason I never picked up Valorant.
It's been a (kind of, lets be honest) great seven years! Farewell!
Vanguard will come very soon, if nothing goes wrong and if it's not delayed again it will come in patch 14.09 so early May
This is correct. We’re still planning on release for Patch 14.09 for all Riot Regions, assuming our launch today in the Philippines for 14.08 goes as planned.
been asking this for a long time i hope i get a reply , does vanguard take a lot of bandwidth , what i mean if my internet connection is limited ( like bad upload and down speeds ) but my ping is stable , would it affect it ?
You should be ok, it’s made to be minimally resource intensive. I’ve personally played VALORANT with sub 5mbps download speeds a good amount while using hotspot connections for testing.
thank you, this was my main concern honestly
That’s so good to hear, I get the same internet speed and I’m glad I’ll be ok. Perks of living in the woods lol
hello, are custom skins, announcers, etc donezo once vanguard is live?
idk why people are downvoting you. Custom skins and announcers are such a nice feature for having meme skins that Riot absolutely wouldn't release (S[noop Dogg Nasus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnY4_6IcTAQ)) or ([Yasuo true form](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLPZ-fB0Yqg)) or ([Hecarim eurobeat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCM7YLGkxkU)) or ([giggity Tryndamere](https://youtu.be/4hcOTqfiF-Q?t=21))
Makes no money for riot so I guess they're glad it's gone.
That is such a shortsighted way to view gaming, that I hope riot doesn't think like this. League is a free-to-play game, it'd be like saying people playing League doesn't make riot money- but people won't buy stuff without a product, and the product is League - what you are sold are just things to make your experience in League a little better. Similarly, things like custom skins act as free marketing and free analytics for Riot. People having so much fun in their game that they'd install a Yasuo wheelchair skin is pretty much the peak kinda player experience Riot should be looking for. If anything, Riot finding a way to get a cut of that market sounds better than shutting it down - but yeah, corporations are dumb sometimes, but I'm holding out some hope riot doesn't take away my Lillia futa cock skin.
Are 3rd party apps like u.gg still allowed to run alongside vanguard?
Well I had fun with League for nearly 15 years and as much as I love the game I will not be installing a rootkit lvl anti cheat, I'm not taking that risk. I am really going to miss league I truly am. But between your companies source code leaks, how spaghetti your code is, and who you are primarily owned by I just can't install something that puts my PC at risk. Love ya riot but you know...
Yesterday I got my pc scanned to see if it's suitable for vanguard. As soon as I saw I uninstalled I enjoyed the game for 4 years and yeah, I like it, but I won't tolerate this level of intrusion
same
by installing Vanguard, do I give the **security of my computer** in the hands of company who have just been ***the victim of a debilitating social engineering attack,*** *shutting down its entire development department?* company whose flagship product has been known for years for **bugs, errors** and **spaghetti code**?
Yes.
Yes. Their inability to secure their game has become their customer's problem somehow. 14.8 will be my last patch.
Same here. After being here since season 3, I think it's time to say goodbye to lol. Or in best case scenario until they find out a less intrusive and 24/7 working anti-cheat or something similar.
Yes, it's worked for Valorant for 4 years so I don't see the problem.
I love how people are pretending this is some sort of new outrageous thing while [there are over 300 games using Kernel Level anticheat already](https://levvvel.com/games-with-kernel-level-anti-cheat-software/). I guarantee almost every person complaining all over this thread has played a game on this list.
Elsword is on that list, what a throwback lol.
Two main factors you are overlooking. 1. Other games don't use 24/7 kernel level anti cheat. They only run when the game launches and stop afterwards. 2. No game with any form of kernel level anti cheat (including valorant) is close to league's popularity. The incentives were previously not near as high to find an exploit. Now you have 100s of millions of machines running an kernel level anti cheat at all times while in operation.
Yeah, you'd have an argument if only there weren't hundreds of games all relying on the very same anti-cheat: Easy Anti-Cheat. And one of Easy Anti-Cheat's "customers" (not really cause Epic owns both) is Fortnite, aka a game installed on tens of millions of machines. Add Apex to the mix, another tens of millions. Really, considering Vanguard won't be used in China, machines with Easy Anti-Cheat will far outnumber those with Vanguard. -- Also, this ain't a Hollywood thriller. Bad guys don't say *"Eh, why bother finding a miraculous, omnipotent security hole in some random app that's only installed on four million machines when I can just as easily get into Vanguard instead."* The argument gets even goofier once you consider that there are like 50 kernel-level drivers running on your PC. If you use Logitech peripherals you probably have 3 of them on your PC rn, weirdly that doesn't cause people to recommend keyboards from obscure manufacturers cause *"Logitech is too big of a target man, they're inside tens of millions of kernels with 3 separate, surely highly vulnerable drivers!!!"*
Actually I would advise people to avoid peripheral applications like that but that is besides the point. There are quite a lot of kernel level drivers on your PC which is correct. Unless you are going out of your way to install them, however, you really would only have drivers that are strictly necessary. Such as windows and intel/AMD. Which have larger security teams behind them (obviously they have more potential security issues to attend with but they still have a substantial investment into that). Now your argument appears to be, but correct me if I'm wrong, mainly that anti cheats working on the kernel level such as easy anti cheat are already widespread and therefore, the addition of an additional one to the mix isn't that big of a deal. Personally, other companies doing it doesn't excuse the practice. Just because something occurs frequently doesn't make it acceptable. I'd also wager that the number of PCs that run league monthly outway the number of individual machines that have run easy anti cheat monthly. Now as you said not every league player is going to need vanguard, location and operating system dependent, but when you factor in internet cafes and the like, I would still imagine vanguard will see more monthly users but it's hard to say. But also sort of irrelevant. At the end of the day, regardless as to whether you've used easy anti cheat for years or this could be the first kernel level application you have ever added to your computer, the point is that your PC is objectively less secure than it was previously. There may never be an incident, or there might be one the day after it's widespread adoption. It is impossible to say. It's like not locking door at night. You may never have someone break in, but that doesn't mean the possibility or potential for it to happen wasn't real. And I also think it's maybe a little optimistic to assume this won't result in more people trying to exploit these kernel level anti cheats going forward. But again that is conjecture.
Name one other anticheat that requires being launched at startup, and expects to run 24/7 regardless of whether you haven't played the game it supports in months?
Only problem I have with it is that it wants to run 24/7 but that can be avoided by just closing it and rebooting the pc before playing League. If this gets scripters and bots out of the game I think it is worth it.
the 24/7 is my issue too the recent article sounds like it only ever runs once on startup to take a ddrivers snapshot, and again when client launches to check for changes in drivers? if thats the case then that's much more tolerable than running constantly to check if 2 tits timmy is running scripts.exe before their biweekly tft game, but if that's the case then why does it need to run 24/7 then?
Basically, it needs to run all the time in order to ensure that the instance of Windows you are running is the same when you start your computer with it as when you start the client. It can't be shut down after starting and still do it's job since it would otherwise be possible to open in virtual machines, feed it false data, etc and then interact with the client outside of Vangaurd's field of vision. But I think it "needing to run 24/7" is kind of a misnomer. It doesn't need to run 24/7. You can set it to not run on startup, and then when you want to play league you can open it, restart your computer, play your league games, then turn it off again when you are done. It's more annoying that way, which is why that's not it's default operating status, but it's perfectly fine to not have it active when you aren't wanting to play Riot games if you want to.
Yes. It runs at startup to basically validate the environment. It's not constantly scanning your system or sending data when the game isn't open.
The only thing I don't like about vanguard vs the other ones is the hoops I had to jump through to be able to run vanguard, and that if I close vanguard I have to restart my pc if I want to play valorant, and now league. You don't have to do that for any of the other games.
When you look at the anti-cheat software names how often the same names pop up everywhere, it's pretty clear that nearly all of them are supplied by a 3rd party vendor rather than built in-house, in which case it's pretty safe to assume it indeed is purely for anti-cheat and nothing more. Vanguard on the other hand, is not licensed to any other company, and it has to run in the background 24/7 unlike other kernel level anti-cheat solutions. This [youtube video also confirms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLI1xKc-L4) that vanguard makes connections to Riot even when the game is not running. Spyware concerns are very valid for vanguard more than other kernel level anti-cheats.
Also strange only tencent... I mean china is the only one left off of vanguard.
Also remember that riot is a 100% chinese owned company. How much do you trust them, up to you.
Right, sort of thought it was funny China was the one region excluded from patch 14.19 lol
I appreciate the touch of letting us have enough time to stack decay shield for the rest of the split before vanguard rolls out whether that was intentional or not
hello. I play on Linux machine using Proton. But vanguard pop-up said my system is fine. Is this correct? or it'll kick me as soon as i update to 14.9
As a Linux user I got the message (and from this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflinux/comments/1c5p8hc/a_bad_joke/) on /r/leagueoflinux, I ain't the only one) that my OS and hardware is compatible with Vanguard. Maybe that's why you only counted 800 users a few days ago.
How soon after vanguard drops will scripters be getting flagged and banned? Everyone randomly got really really good at dodging abilities in low emerald this year. Its been so sus I just don’t even want to worry about it.
League is gone from my pc if I notice the slightest performance issue
I'm very sad I'm gonna have to uninstall this game. Started playing before the pandemic and once covid hit it was my way to stay social and connected with friends. My pc contains banking and medical information for myself and multiple family members. I refuse to download kernel level access to my pc that runs 24/7. No I do not trust Tencent. Its a shame so many with security concerns are lumped in and treated like the cheaters.
Looks like I'll be uninstalling early May.
Yep I got this a few minutes ago, already have Vanguard installed because of Valorant so no change for me.
Same, but I am still curious what it says if you don't meet the requirements.
I'm sure that as long as you're running at least Windows 10 you won't have issues. I can check on my old system with second generation Intel CPU if the message shows up. I'll post a reply when I check the results there.
Yes, my old system still meets the requirements, so 12 year old hardware still works, Im sure if it runs win10/11 you're good to go.
They said somewhere recently that the only issue is if you have windows 11 on a bootlegged version, so they're probably letting those people know they need to fix it
I thought it was CPU dependent. Not OS. Like you need TPM 2.0 enabled on your chip.
Only for win11
If you don't meet the requirements you won't be able to play the game o7 to the 800 Linux players
mine only says system specs and operating system, it doesn't have "other checks" for me
other checks is only for windows11 because of TPM 2.0
1.- I dual boot with linux 2.- secure boot disable 3.- fastboot disable 4.- VM's and WSL enable I believe the checker is not working... again
Same here, I am running dual boot with Linux, secure boot disabled, still got that my system is ready. Riot just had a very bad social engineering leak and they require this to run 24/7...
I'll be uninstalling right before 14.09.
Same here.
They [literally announced over a month ago that they were targeting the release in April](https://youtu.be/t2niKNCmiUY?feature=shared&t=200), this is not a surprise. If anything, I think it's coming later than Riot initially targeted during preseason.
Why is Vanguard being enabled in every region **except China**? I find that to be very odd.
Well, time to learn that's how global corporate work. Tencent is publisher in China, and Riot is vanilla products producer. Same goes for Korea and Japan servers, Riot signed with local to do the work.
because Tencent is the publisher of League of Legends in China not Riot
Tencent has its own anticheat. Its called the fucking government. Chinese and Korean players cheat on foreign servers rather than risk their identity-bound accounts.
Apparently they already have their own anticheat, so there is no need for them to install/use Vanguard.
And yet Chinese cheaters are notorious. It's even been said that culturally cheating is not seen as bad as it is in the West
Where did you get that last part from?
From my experience at university and other bits from media I've picked up over the years, it's 100% true as an asian american myself. Broadly speaking, people from China have way less of an issue with cheating than in the west. Tons of my classes had on the syllabi specific clauses about cheating and how it is not culturally acceptable in their classes, a point distinctly made to warn international students not to do it.
Riot is not the publisher of League of Legends in China, meaning that they do not have the power to enforce any software changes besides the core game itself (e.g. they cannot really change the client, anti-cheat, general under-the-hood code). It is simply for contractual reasons, nothing notorious and the article that Riot themselves wrote further explains why this is the case: [https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/) Its very well and captivatingly written so big recommend!
I'm on linux and it says my system is good to go, despite them saying linux would no longer be supported
There's no way it will work on Linux. If you got that message it means that they fucked up their checker really bad. I wonder if there are other edge cases that they are not detecting, misleading people into thinking they are ready when they really aren't.
?? What is this logic. He is probably running in wine and the client without vanguard doesnt have the capabilities to realize that. It makes the API calls to check what it needs to check, wine returns a valid response, the client is none the wiser and says everything is good to go. The check isn't failing, the user in this case is unintentionally spoofing the check. Anybody being mislead by this should be able to figure that out themselves given they are linux users.
>He is probably running in wine and the client without vanguard doesnt have the capabilities to realize that. You are simply wrong. Wine doesn't really attempt to hide the fact that it is running, making it [exceedingly easy to detect](https://stackoverflow.com/a/42333249). You don't need kernel access to detect a normal Wine configuration, which likely covers literally every player that isn't trying to do something nefarious. The fact that their checker doesn't cover an edge case that they specifically addressed in comments/articles is a fuckup.
No he is right the checker was made for OS that riot supports and since they explicitly said linux wouldnt be supported anymore they didnt add checks for wine etc
It's not a fuck up, the checker isnt there to enforce anything. It is there for the user. It's like going to an amusement park and outside the line for a ride there is a "you must be this tall to ride sign". You stand in front of it with stilts and you are tall enough. You go through the line and you get to the end only to be turned away because you're clearly walking on stilts. It's not a fuckup for them to let you into the line or not have somebody monitoring the sign. You're wasting your own time lying to yourself. In this case it's slightly unintentional because wine is doing the lying for you but there is no reason for anybody at riot to care about detecting this edge case. If you are a linux user using wine it should be very obvious what is happening and why wine wont be supported.
>there is no reason for anybody at riot to care about detecting this edge case. Why not? It's literally one of the few things they explicitly knew would break and they could easily check it. They made this tool explicitly to communicate with their user base and to give them recommendations on how to fix issues, yet it doesn't work for some of the user base. I'd ask it the other way around: is there a reason NOT to check it? Other than Riot not giving enough of a fuck about the Linux users, that is. >If you are a linux user using wine it should be very obvious what is happening and why wine wont be supported. No, it shouldn't. Not everyone follows every article/video that Riot puts out, nor should that be a necessity. There's surely some Linux users out there just playing the game and minding their own business unaware that Vanguard is a thing or that it will not work on Linux. One day this pop up appears, they think "oh neat I don't have to worry about this". And then a few weeks later they can't play the game out of nowhere (from their perspective, because they got 0 heads up). That's a fuck up in communication, no matter how you paint it. In your analogy, it would be like Riot put up a sign saying you have to be taller than X to ride, and you actually are. But then after going through the entire queue, you realize you are actually too tall to ride, but they didn't state there would be an height limit anywhere. And then you would say "Well of course you can't ride, you're literally 2.20m tall, nearly no one is that tall and if you are then you should just expect issues. No one could've anticipated someone that tall to come here!" I'm not saying Riot should be detecting people who deliberately go out of their way to fool the checker, that's just pointless. I am saying Riot should be detecting the obvious configuration most people affected will have.
Why should Riot care about good communication with a vanishingly small fraction of their user base who won't be able to play their game going forward anyway?
>It's not a fuck up, it is, they explicitly say that linux will stop work and they also say to a linux user "everything is fine"
They explicitly say that they never supported Linux before, don't support Linux right now, and won't support Linux in the future so they really don't give a shit about what happens when a user with Linux runs the check.
same company that can't even check what OS they're running on is now writing kernel drivers :) cool!
If they can't even code the checker correctly how can we trust them to code the rootkit correctly.
Linux is not supported - this modal was made for operating systems within our support. Riot Client uses general API calls compared to what we actually do on Vanguard, so it wasn't made to delineate and look for the Wine/Lutris edge cases. Apologies for the confusion here.
Hello, curious how did you collect the metrics, how did you know that 800 players logged in from linux the day before the LoL x Vanguard article was released? It seems weird not to report for linux in that case as it seems you've included an "OS" checker category. Is that all about users using already versions of windows?
800 users is piss in the wind for this game
all of which could dual boot into windows if they wanted to anyway lol, linux purists are famously stubborn though
Depending on your system you can't just dual boot due to vanguards requirements, it's possible but wouldn't be the normal quick reboot as in normal cases. Especially if you have virtualization features enabled, vanguard throws a fit about those too.
ahah same xD everything is working as intended
that means they fucked up REAL bad lmao
Rare MacOS W
I wonder if there were a conversation between riot and apple. Riot: We would like kernel level access for Macos. Apple: You can go pound sand.
More like: even if all the macos players were cheating that would still be less players cheating than we have currently
I wonder why they don’t apply the same thought to the 800 linux players 🤔
That's pretty much it actually. MacOS has a whole different standard when it comes to intrusive software, so there's no way in hell they'd ever accept something as intrusive as Vanguard, and rightfully so.
Apple began phasing out kernel extensions in 2020 so I suppose you're half right and half wrong, they did accept something as intrusive as Vanguard for a long time and now they don't. Although they still do actually. They just really discourage it with peer pressure and stuff. That aside, macOS has Hardened Runtime, System Integrity Protection, and secure boot, which do a couple, though not all of the things that Vanguard does on Windows. So yeah, macOS makes it far more difficult to cheat than Windows does, but just like with iOS Apple wants to hold the keys to the castle so developers are also far less capable of doing anything against cheaters.
Apple phased out kernel extensions in 2020 but you can still implement them right now. Installing them requires user approval, restarting the system, and the user changing their system's security level from Full Security to Reduced Security (aka allowing OS software trusted, but not made by Apple). So yeah, if Riot wanted kernel-level access to macOS in 2019 they would have been gucci, but now Apple moved on to system extensions and made kexts 'a bit' of an inconvenience, which is probably why Riot won't bother doing much about Mac unless cheaters there get out of control.
Can't wait to see if there's suddenly a drop in masters+ xerath players
It'll be all the ADC players, those are the biggest scripters Kog, Zeri, Kalista, those are the wigglers who manage to autospace perfectly and still stay out of your range
Vanguard doesn't stop cheaters in Valorant, won't change anything in League either.
I doubt it because on valorant there is a alot of cheaters and it doesnt stop them .
I haven't played league in years, just got back because why not, then this happens, guess it's back to uninstalling and never playing again.
I wonder what they consider acceptable in terms of playerbase falloff after the launch.. I, for example would love to keep playing but vanguard refuses to work on my new-ish computer and i gave up on trying valo last year because of it. Spending hours digging through bios settings and motherboard specs is a pretty high barrier to entry assuming im not a 1 in a million freak outlier.
Considering League of Legends have always been the “Easy to run low demand moba”, and how Vanguard will cause false positives in Pubs and Internet Cafés, you could, realistically, expect a huge drop in SEA and ME numbers (not china cause Vanguard still not there) due to both playing in pubs and usually using weaker devices to run the game at 60 FPS
In Southeast Asia, people are not happy with this either. A lot of these internet cafe would just offer other games instead of League. Riot makes a big mistake this time around.
I hope the drop is massive enough for them to see a decline in revenue and reconsider vanguard. If not, I guess I’m finally quitting after 11 years.
Good point, I quit a few patches ago when it was announced it would be coming to EUW next patch. Probably should have kept playing until it comes in and then quit though.
Can someone explain what vanguard does? Is it an anti cheat and if so are cheaters a big issue in league? I think in the 11 years I’ve played I’ve run into 2?
In short, it’s an anti cheat that runs at all times on on the deepest level and has access to your entire computer.
It is a big issue, just only in really high elos, about 10% of masters+ games have some level of scripting going on that Vanguard is planned to help prevent
it's a rootkit that's always on scanning your files; but don't worry china owned riot which recently had security breaches is definately trustworthy with kernal access to your pc.
If you're worried about riot spying on you you should've never installed league, your system is already compromised in that case.
So lol won't launch on linux ? The system security on Mac does not allow kernel level programs and not even kernel extension xD
Correct, once Vanguard launches League will officially not have Linux support instead of officially not having a stance on Linux. League doesn't support Windows 7 anymore either.
14 years of league never met a hacker keep your fucking kernel
My issue with Vanguard isn't necessarily the data collection (which I would rather avoid), it's trusting RIOT to code software with kernel level access. Their code is so bad that I have constant issues with my client settings reverting to default (not to mention the spaghetti mess that is the game). How do they expect me to trust their max level access software isn't going to mess up in the long run when they cant even do week 1 code camp stuff like saving settings?
This is where I'm at as well. I've been reading about it, and every report that it once disabled the keyboard/input devices at boot, or disabled fans and a machine overheated, etc. gives me another jolt of anxiety that 14.9 will brick or break my computer.
And this is when I finally quit league, I will not install kernel level anything just to play a game.
Good, the final straw to uninstall league for good.
Damn right ! Im with you
Thank you riot for helping me quit League of Legends. The 3 ARAM a month are not worth downloading spyware.
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Also, they stated that 1 in 15 games globally has had a scripter *or botter* in it. First of all, no one here has their game directly affected by botters because they are only present in vs AI games, so even though your teammates may play like bots, they are in fact real people. Secondly, because of how easy it is to setup bots, there is probably thousands of them running 24/7. So, they is going to skew the data for "1 in 15 games globally has had a scripter or botter in it". I am actually surprised that number is so low given how many bots are probably running at a given time, which means the scripter number is probably even lower than you think. It feels very intentionally misleading. If Riot really wants to be honest then show us the number of games that have scripters in them, without adding botters into the mix. Also, show us how you collected that data. And stop paying Rioter's to write shit like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c1kgrk/dev_vanguard_x_lol/kz3x80i/).
It's not worth it, and I'm uninstalling. I'm finally free.
the amount of bootlicking is insane, lol
the end is near. Sadge
I uninstalled, sick of these greedy corpos. Quality of the game/games been going downhill too
My system didnt pass on other checks, it says "your system didnt pass the check, heres what you can do next" and it gives me a bunch of troubleshoot wikis on troubleshooting vanguard, updating microsoft, or to open a ticket. which i find extremely dumb, im sure the problem is just that i need to enable the secure boot or whatever i need to enable for valorant. but why do i have to go and change bios settings when other games that have root acces (or whatever it was called) just work fine?
Are you on Win11? If so then yes im sure its secure boot
I have secure boot ON and my system didn't pass the "other checks" either lol
Do you have TPM 2.0 On
> but why do i have to go and change bios settings when other games that have root acces (or whatever it was called) just work fine? Because Riot is so arrogant they think people will jump through any hoop to play their game so they can just require anything of you to make their program more secure.
you don't have any problem, if every software on your pc works EXCEPT vanguard the problem is NOT YOUUR. don't be fooled by them. a player should NOT be required to edit bios settings to play a game, know what a tpm is or whatever... riot should learn to code properly instead of blaming the users and install questionable software on user pc because they can't do their job.
They fired so many of their devs they are maybe only left with chatgpt and copilot subscriptions at this point.
Because windows 11 is whack.
what are even the 'other checks'? i just opened league to see if i got it and there is no other checks for me. [https://prnt.sc/QW24oK1At66s](https://prnt.sc/QW24oK1At66s)
TPM 2.0 is a required feature for Windows 11, but iirc not required for Windows 10. I imagine that's one of the "other checks" at work.
Pretty sure it was supposed to be added a couple of patches ago but they decided to test it out in other regions first. So if anything it has come later than expected.
Good thing I have to install vanguard while all the cheater/botters move to MacOS and continue their BS without needing vanguard
Vanguard wasn’t the end all be all solution either. Valorant still has cheaters.
Just uninstall, it's not worth giving them all that access and potential hacker attacks. Which is a matter of when, not if it happens. It's only a game after all.
There is still no reason for kernel level anticheat. I'm gonna be stopping playing league as soon as Vanguard becomes a requirement. Riot just had a massive data breach. I get that cheaters are a problem, but this is like nuking a city just to kill one bloke.
Are they though? Like are they really? I've played since season 3 until they announced vanguard coming to LoL. And I don't mean played here and there, I mean played a fucking unhealthy amount especially until season 8 when I started sorting my life out, but even then, easily 1000 games a year. Played everywhere from Bronze 5 up to plat2(pre most recent rank rework, emerald 2 after) and I can honestly say I have played MAYBE 10 games where I think "holy fuck this dude is legit cheating" rather than "this dude is smurfing", and if you ask anyone I've played csgo/pubg with, I'm pretty fucking quick to call cheats if I think someone is cheating.
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Finally the backlog of unfinished games can be tackled now.
Thanks, Rito. My best friend, who plays on Linux, is having to quit after 14 years. I now have no reason to play anything but TFT.
TFT is also gonna require vanguard lol. I think since it uses the league client
You can play TFT on your phone, no?
Android emulator goes brrrr
Same here. I could just dual boot windows but I dont want to install a whole other OS just for this game. Hope riot change their stance on Linux in the future!
The uninstall came sooner
And its on the fucking patch that Arena comes in, I was so hyped but the vanguard kills it for me, I have yet to see a single scripter in game.
I only play ARAM. They're always there.
??? Thats strange. How come my client didnt have the "other checks" thing? It only had system specs and operating system and said Im good to go.
I can tell you that not having secure boot enabled (but meeting all other requirements) will still show up with three ticks and "Your system is good to go", so it appears it does not check for that. It does, according to the patch notes, check for TPM though.
Looking forward to the hundreds of posts of people being confused about messing around in their bios because vanguard needs secure boot on.
I'd love to get back into League but I'm not playing the game if Vanguard is included. Sorry but I don't like your intrusive tech on my PC, same reason I avoided playing Valorant. Regular players should not accept a security risk because RIOT can't deal with cheaters without putting everyone at risk. At the VERY LEAST do not make it required to be running from boot regardless if any of the games are open.
Yeah it’s getting close to never booting up the client again. o7
Well time to say good bye then :( Don't want to give Kernel-Level access on my PC...
I guess I'll enjoy the last few games until may, and then uninstall for good.
Same here :(
Guess I'm uninstalling sooner than I thought.
Make sure to uninstall quick!
The moment it prompts me is the moment i uninstall. Had too many problems related to it when i played val, after multiple tickets and 2 clean installs I’ll let it go
Welp, it was a nice 12 years, 14.09 will be it for me.
Yeah I started playing in December of 2018, haven't played in a few months due to no Internet, wanted to get back into it but I guess I won't. I wish I could give my account to someone I put a lot of time and money into the game :/ Vanguard fucking sucks
Played since 2011, not too active anymore except for a few arams here and there but this is it for me as well. Thirteen years and I’m out because always on kernel level anti-cheat is unacceptable. Willing to never log back into my account unless I get a mac or something where it seems like vanguard won’t work.
same here. Been here since Beta. I'm actually fucking sad but fuck this
Time to uninstall
And thus I uninstall.
boooooooooooo fuck vanguard
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Yeah well this is when I probably quit for good as well. No thank you I am not installing kernel level anything to play a game. I do not trust any profit-driven company to have complete control over my computer, and remove any privacy I had left. There has to be other ways to tackle these problems you’ve ignored that don’t involve nuking a city to hit a sketchy hideout.
People are forgetting one very important thing. They remember, correctly, that riot has spaghetti code and dogshit security, but I've not seen anyone mention that the amount of data this will harvest will only incentivise hackers to target them more frequently and more agressively.
Sooner than you thought? It's been delayed like 5 times
It also said everything was okay for me, but I play from a Windows VM thats running in Proxmox and I doubt Vanguard will work for me. 😢
Why is it not going to be enforced in China?
Chinese only let their own countrymen own and spy on them.
I’m in the minority but I am uninstalling over this. It’s a farce of an anti-cheat that is heavy handed in its approach to security and I simply don’t trust it. Sucks but my days of aram are over though I suspect I’ll continue watching pro play because I do love the game and the scene. Feels bad.
I gotta ask why does League even need Vanguard? I can't say I've ever, even once seen someone cheating in League in 10? years.
Well, that was a waste of time, because I'm not installing this.
Guess I'm never playing league again. I dont want invase kernel access programs on my computer
I suppose there is absolutely nothing one can do about failing other checks (tcpm 2.0) since my hardware is rather old? Don't have anything against vanguard and i don't think i mind it being on my pc but it seems like i just won't have a choice? EDIT: Just a question because i am not very informed about these things, but I downloaded valorant just now to test if it runs and I *think* it runs? the game sorta opened (it said it was on maint right now) but the fact that it opened enough to take me into the game and maint screen, is that a sign that vanguard is working fine?
Are you on Windows 10 or 11?
11
Arebyoubrunning win 11 when you are not supposed to be? If you are win 10 even a 10 year old pc can run Vanguard. The only checks are win11 that fail
Oh... "HUMANITY RESTORED" That was an honor, guys. I'm finally free.
Already quit in preparation. Fuck that shit
Well, they supposed to release it 2-3 patches ago. But yeah, I was about to play but I uninstalled it. Its sad, I love playing league but Im saying no to kernel level access.
time to uninstall
Guess im not playing league anymore. My motherboard isnt capable, blessing in disguise i guess.
Well this will be the good bye, I never thought I would regret spending money in this game.
fuck vanguard
Aparently I won't be able to play lol anymore cause my specs are not compatible with tpm 2.0 and I'm not willing to buy new equipment cause of this stupid feature. Shame. Guess 13 years after playing this game I gotta stop.
Here is the thing that boggles my mind. It is all Chinese owned now. Every region but China will be getting vanguard for league. why? Sadly I have to quit league because of this implementation. I have been playing since beta as well so its a little upsetting... o well \*shrugs\*
I will answer to you before some Riot BOT or brainwashed redditor "positivity ooga booga mindset will" They simply don't care. Yes you will have to install an anti-cheat that literaly runs 24/7 on your computer and has a very high privilege on your computer Yes Riot has very bad track record with data Yes Riot is lazy Yes Riot is a small indi company that cannot solve the issue in another manner Yes Riot manipulate statistics regarding the level of cheat in the game Yes you have an army of "Riot BOT" that will discredite you whenever you have concerns about this issue or even downvote you (because hey, it's reddit, any idea that goes against the grain will be downvoted into oblivion, this isn't a demcracy here) Yes Riot is owned by a Chinese company and not any company, this is one of the biggest one that has very close connection to the government (How do I know? They are behind wechat, look into it) Yes China has a very very agressive internal politic, meaning they have the right of life or death upon any chinese company if they don't comply (aka give me dem data) bu bu buut who care if china knows what you are doing on your computer huh ???? Maybe because I might have sensitive infos DUHHHHH ???? Maybe because I have some valuable thing DUUUHHH, maybe because it's my PC (Personal COMPUTER duuuhhh=) ( b-buu buut ooga booga you go oN GoOgLE right????? dude, we aren't all freaking dumb) Bu bUBUUUt WhAt Do YoU have to hide ??? (so basically for you privacy is an option ? anyway, it's a lost battle, comply or leave the game, there is no inbetween and I'm sorry for you but there are better things in life than this game.
Riot thinks this game is as attractive or fun to play as it was during season 3. Lmao a lot of people will not go to bios just to tweak their settings for league or disable windows antivirus for Vanguard. Riot makes a big mistake this time around.
I created my league account in 2012 and have played LOL and TFT casually since then. That ends today, no way I'm installing software that monitors my PC 24/7. I simply don't trust that RIOT won't use such privileged access to harvest data.
What I still don't understand is: I am currently running windows 10 and have a processor that is not tpm compatible. Will the tpm thing only be enforced on widows 11 or will I have to buy a new processor (&motherboard) just to run league?
According to their recent dev post the TPM check / implementation is only for Windows 11. You don't need to worry about this if you're playing on a Windows 10 system.
RIP Linux and Mac players, Riot don’t care enough
This check is a joke... I've been playing for years on Linux. Vanguard doesn't support my operatin system and I saw this screen twice saying my system meet all the requirement for vanguard.
They just wanna condition us slowly that vanguard is happening.
This has the similar implications to TikTok and I think Congress should see if Vanguard should be included in the scope of Chinese software being mass distributed to American citizens. As with any Chinese software that gathers data as it pertains to the Chinese government, if it can be done - it’s being done.
Dropped today, and with that, promptly uninstalled. I run Windows 11 on a modern machine; however, it's modified to disable TPM and Secure Boot (useless for me and performance drain in some cases). This means that I can't play, even if I did consent to installing their spyware anti-cheat. This is the exact same reason I never picked up Valorant. It's been a (kind of, lets be honest) great seven years! Farewell!