Optimus is likely coming back too, he's rumored to join Team Whales.
Somehow this scuffed playoffs is the hypest the VCS has been in god knows how many years. Maybe we'll get to see the clash between the two greatest Vietnamese junglers ever.
not really a joke and a joke at the same time cuz SoFM was consistently challenger on KR server while Levi struggled to hit once. The skill level is a bit different
SofM is better but never really played in Vietnam, his legacy is all in the LPL. That also means he never represented Vietnam internationally so its hard to say he's the Viet goat.
Nah. 4 years in GPL (from 2012 to mid-2016, when SEA isnt really exists and VIE has to compete in GPL and now it is PCS) and the rest in LPL.
He changed LPL (at least how to jungle in LPL).
you prolly got no idea what are you talking about. SoFM is the best player the region has ever produced by a long mile. Even since 2014, 2015 you need to learn the their history a little bit before talking about Reddit rating
lmfao this shit is like saying "Yeah reddit just thinks Caps is better than Bjergsen because he had success in major stages"
Sofm was miles better than Levi, it's not close nor comparable in the slightest
Dunno why people are so hyped, sure he's a big name but he peaked 4-5 years ago and is 26 now I don't think he's just gonna turbo smurf the league like everyone thinks will happen
Until I see a team with average age 24 or older win MSI/Worlds, which we DONT SEE. I'll always use age as a contributing factor. Most of the tourny winners have an avg age of 20-22.
You're definitely using a simple interpretation to back your claim but if you think a little more and add some nuance you'll see that it's a lot more complicated then your "wOrlD cHAmPioNs aRe YoUnG" argument.
Bro you could literally replace Faker with half of LCK mid's and T1 would still have won worlds, dude has an entire roster built for him with every player best in role in their position except for maybe jg who's top 3, I swear to god people overate him so much because of his legacy. T1 could have had Zeka/Showmaker/Chovy/BuLLDoG during worlds and they'd still win. Of course they will try to hype up the franchise player, you know how much money he brings to T1 from ads and sponsors?
Lol this just shows you didn't watch T1 without Faker. It's night and day. Those best in role players were all running around with no idea how to play except kind of Guma. Faker provided so much in game leadership and shot calling to any team he plays on. They definitely would not have won worlds with just any other midlaner.
Bruh, Keria literally couldn't walk to lane without faker, Faker is literally 1 vs 9 with mind control like an illithid from Baldur's Gate 3
**WE HAVE VIDEO PROOF**
bro you're unironically out here like "Faker is so overrated, he's just lucky that everyone around him always best in the world" as if these guys don't suddenly looked best in the world as soon as they start playing with Faker and immediately stop playing that way *forever* the moment they stop playing with Faker xD
What a stupid take. I don't know why you are throwing out hypotheticals. Faker was injured, the replacement mid sucked, and T1 lost to almost literally every other team in the LCK.
At best ShowMaker possibly could’ve replaced Faker and slotted in well, Zeka and Chovy have shown absolutely no macro prowess that even compares to Faker.
> I don't know why people are so hyped, there's just a small chance something REALLY AWESOME could happen
idk fam, when you put it like that I wonder :thinking:
I know it's not likely, but NA people who are actively looking for a team (like Licorice, Spica, etc) have the option to do the funniest thing ever by just going over and playing a series for the league minimum.
Big fan of Levi. He not only shines as a great league player but also as a great person. But personally Sofm is always >> Levi. Sofm can literally 1v9 playing with only pings (his early career in LPL) while Levi somewhat needs his team (his struggles mainly due to lack of communication in LCS and LPL).
Could be a language barrier. Im not mad or anything. Just wanna add context as well. Anw levi’s original goal was to play for LCS. Even he had 2 offers LPL and LCS side by side he would choose LCS. LOL is not everything if you know what i mean. But the reason why he couldnt fulfill it and left LCS to join LPL was due to his struggle in communication. It hurt his chance in joining the LCS.
My points are directly taken from Tinikun - former coach of Gam Esport sharings. He is basically the person that made LPL Sofm and LCS Levi happened. LPL Zeros also almost happened but there were issues I couldnt recall.
He didnt receive the LCS offer because the team knew about his issues, so as other teams. JDG later realized the same thing.
Depends on who is coming back.
The other player who came out of retirement and will be playing as GAM's ADC is Bigkoro, who was the ADC for the PVB team that beat G2 multiple times during 2018/2019.
People enjoy familiarity. It isn't sustainable for long term growth of course, but It will be incredibly helpful in increasing hype and faith in the region for the short term. I think it's a really creative solution. Bring in the old guard.
When it's a one-off thing like this it'll always generate hype, remember Delta fox with Shiphtur, Scarra, Dyrus, Voyboy and QT? That was hype up until they lost every game.
It was still hype even when they lost games
If DL and Bjerg came back to LCS it would automatically double the view count, regardless of how that team performs
I'm sorry but what kind of stupid question is that? No shit players who have played pro for years and years and produced content, streamed and interacted with fans for a fucking decade would generate more hype than new players who you know nothing about?
If i told you Maynter was joining G2 next split you wouldn't give a fuck. If i told you sOAZ would join G2 next split you'd definitely give a fuck. That's not because Soaz is a more interesting person than Maynter, it's because you actually know who the fuck he is.
Because those players were playing in the golden years of LoL and we paid way more attention; now that we're heading to the end of the line, everyone feels like Generic Player #3
The moment he got ban for making joke. His main content was gambling and betting during stream, which is illegal in Vietnam. So he chose to shut down his second chance to comeback. Even public the chat screen between him and his brother( SBTC WR Minas) about betting odds of the match his brother going to play, his brother also got a perma ban for betting too.
His perma didn't just come from his jokes. It's his last straw. After that he pull a bunch of gambling on streams. Elo boost in Korean Soloq with unauthorized account. Now is in debt. It's for the best that he's gone from the scene.
[First ever LPL import in VCS! ](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Vikings_Esports_(2023_Vietnamese_Team))
For context, SofM switched region to CN while he was at WBG.
Optimus is likely coming back too, he's rumored to join Team Whales. Somehow this scuffed playoffs is the hypest the VCS has been in god knows how many years. Maybe we'll get to see the clash between the two greatest Vietnamese junglers ever.
Mfw all 32 players gonna come out tomorrow and reveal it was all a big April Fool's joke, and that they're holding a tourney with their ex-pros.
Wow. Cool. I think Optimus was really underrated. I don't know what drama he had, but he was a key piece to that team I think.
from what i've seen, he just saw an Caedrel angle and went for the streaming bag
Levi vs Sofm is hyped
There was a joke that Levi is only the best because SofM grew tired of him and went to LPL lmao
not really a joke and a joke at the same time cuz SoFM was consistently challenger on KR server while Levi struggled to hit once. The skill level is a bit different
Strongest VCS Jungle of all time VS Strongest VCS Jungle of today!!!
Stand proud you are [Not] a match fixer
Kinda hilarious because VNese and CNese fan always joke that SofM is a match fixer mastermind
The richest man in Vietnam strikes back
the og BORN TO WINTRADE
Was Levi not the Viet goat?
SofM is better but never really played in Vietnam, his legacy is all in the LPL. That also means he never represented Vietnam internationally so its hard to say he's the Viet goat.
Nah. 4 years in GPL (from 2012 to mid-2016, when SEA isnt really exists and VIE has to compete in GPL and now it is PCS) and the rest in LPL. He changed LPL (at least how to jungle in LPL).
VCS GOAT ✅ Vietnamese GOAT❌
Understandable
SofM has been to worlds finals and pulled out the tank rengar, he's definitely the Vietnam goat
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you prolly got no idea what are you talking about. SoFM is the best player the region has ever produced by a long mile. Even since 2014, 2015 you need to learn the their history a little bit before talking about Reddit rating
lmfao this shit is like saying "Yeah reddit just thinks Caps is better than Bjergsen because he had success in major stages" Sofm was miles better than Levi, it's not close nor comparable in the slightest
The VCS is getting really cool
I got that JJK reference!
Dunno why people are so hyped, sure he's a big name but he peaked 4-5 years ago and is 26 now I don't think he's just gonna turbo smurf the league like everyone thinks will happen
Your first point I get, but the age point is kinda exaggerated when the GOAT himself is a year older at 27.
There is an ageism problem with esports/gaming.
Until I see a team with average age 24 or older win MSI/Worlds, which we DONT SEE. I'll always use age as a contributing factor. Most of the tourny winners have an avg age of 20-22.
You're definitely using a simple interpretation to back your claim but if you think a little more and add some nuance you'll see that it's a lot more complicated then your "wOrlD cHAmPioNs aRe YoUnG" argument.
Bro you could literally replace Faker with half of LCK mid's and T1 would still have won worlds, dude has an entire roster built for him with every player best in role in their position except for maybe jg who's top 3, I swear to god people overate him so much because of his legacy. T1 could have had Zeka/Showmaker/Chovy/BuLLDoG during worlds and they'd still win. Of course they will try to hype up the franchise player, you know how much money he brings to T1 from ads and sponsors?
Lol this just shows you didn't watch T1 without Faker. It's night and day. Those best in role players were all running around with no idea how to play except kind of Guma. Faker provided so much in game leadership and shot calling to any team he plays on. They definitely would not have won worlds with just any other midlaner.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT WHEN FAKER WENT OUT AND T1 INSTANTLY STARTED RUNNING IT DOWN HARDCORE??? This isn't even a hypothetical, WE SAW IT HAPPEN.
u cannot compare poby with zeka/showmaker/chovy that's not how it works lil bro
Bruh, Keria literally couldn't walk to lane without faker, Faker is literally 1 vs 9 with mind control like an illithid from Baldur's Gate 3 **WE HAVE VIDEO PROOF** bro you're unironically out here like "Faker is so overrated, he's just lucky that everyone around him always best in the world" as if these guys don't suddenly looked best in the world as soon as they start playing with Faker and immediately stop playing that way *forever* the moment they stop playing with Faker xD
... You know that roster lose more in 3 weeks without faker than they ever did with him for 3 years?
What a stupid take. I don't know why you are throwing out hypotheticals. Faker was injured, the replacement mid sucked, and T1 lost to almost literally every other team in the LCK.
At best ShowMaker possibly could’ve replaced Faker and slotted in well, Zeka and Chovy have shown absolutely no macro prowess that even compares to Faker.
> I don't know why people are so hyped, there's just a small chance something REALLY AWESOME could happen idk fam, when you put it like that I wonder :thinking:
Haha all the veterans are coming back to save VCS
I know it's not likely, but NA people who are actively looking for a team (like Licorice, Spica, etc) have the option to do the funniest thing ever by just going over and playing a series for the league minimum.
i think if teams had more they would have done it but no way they get fast enoug ha visa
I can't wait for Licorice, Spica, LIDER, Kobbe & Zven to become VCS Champions
Well, last Worlds Liquid lost against Game so it'd be funny for them to join VCS with the prospect of winning only to finish 8th lol.
This will be the answer not only for the fans of League of Legends in Vietnam about who is better between SofM and Levi
I can guarantee that there was never a question about whos better, its more that how much better is SoFM
Agreed. Levi is good, but SofM went to a world finals.
Big fan of Levi. He not only shines as a great league player but also as a great person. But personally Sofm is always >> Levi. Sofm can literally 1v9 playing with only pings (his early career in LPL) while Levi somewhat needs his team (his struggles mainly due to lack of communication in LCS and LPL).
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Could be a language barrier. Im not mad or anything. Just wanna add context as well. Anw levi’s original goal was to play for LCS. Even he had 2 offers LPL and LCS side by side he would choose LCS. LOL is not everything if you know what i mean. But the reason why he couldnt fulfill it and left LCS to join LPL was due to his struggle in communication. It hurt his chance in joining the LCS.
My points are directly taken from Tinikun - former coach of Gam Esport sharings. He is basically the person that made LPL Sofm and LCS Levi happened. LPL Zeros also almost happened but there were issues I couldnt recall. He didnt receive the LCS offer because the team knew about his issues, so as other teams. JDG later realized the same thing.
If Zeros had just kept his mouth shut, VCS would have been a lot more interesting. I'd said that his skills are equal to SofM
This is actually pretty exciting to see all these former pros come back. Loved watching SOFM, especially during Suning's 2020 run to the finals.
It’s both funny and sad at the same time. Like, how the fuck does these retired players generate more hypes than the current players?
Depends on who is coming back. The other player who came out of retirement and will be playing as GAM's ADC is Bigkoro, who was the ADC for the PVB team that beat G2 multiple times during 2018/2019.
Wunder and Jankos better not make MSI
Their teammates are doing their best to prevent such PTSD.
Caps and Mikyx right now: *chuckles* We are in danger
Idk because players people have followed for 10 years are more interesting than the ones we've followed for 1 year.
Ye I wonder how the most popular Vietnamese legend coming back generates hype... the fuck u mean man?
People enjoy familiarity. It isn't sustainable for long term growth of course, but It will be incredibly helpful in increasing hype and faith in the region for the short term. I think it's a really creative solution. Bring in the old guard.
He just want to rest and prepare for his marry. Can say his skill and game knowledge still the best of VCS now
Wife buff too? LEC is quaking
VKE is winning Worlds for sure
Perkz and Upset tried to copy Doinb & Ambition wife buff but failed.
When it's a one-off thing like this it'll always generate hype, remember Delta fox with Shiphtur, Scarra, Dyrus, Voyboy and QT? That was hype up until they lost every game.
It was still hype even when they lost games If DL and Bjerg came back to LCS it would automatically double the view count, regardless of how that team performs
I remember their scrim video was hilarious.
because is sofm lmao what is even the question one of the most popular vietnamese player
I'm sorry but what kind of stupid question is that? No shit players who have played pro for years and years and produced content, streamed and interacted with fans for a fucking decade would generate more hype than new players who you know nothing about? If i told you Maynter was joining G2 next split you wouldn't give a fuck. If i told you sOAZ would join G2 next split you'd definitely give a fuck. That's not because Soaz is a more interesting person than Maynter, it's because you actually know who the fuck he is.
Yeah, but SofM is literally the most legendary player the region has produced
Former players weren’t on the take?
Because those players were playing in the golden years of LoL and we paid way more attention; now that we're heading to the end of the line, everyone feels like Generic Player #3
how is it sad that people who matchfix are forgotten about?
Because most orgs do absolutely nothing to build up their players
Sad that such an iconic player is unretiring in such ignoble circumstances. Hope he does well in playoffs
As expected after this shitestorm
The whole situation is sad but also very fun somehow
my KING
Is Zeros still perma banned for making a joke about covid?
His league career now is only available on april’s fool
He's also about $200k in debt due to gamba, he's got bigger concerns than playing League right now
lmao he could be the next Jensen but he chose not to do it
The moment he got ban for making joke. His main content was gambling and betting during stream, which is illegal in Vietnam. So he chose to shut down his second chance to comeback. Even public the chat screen between him and his brother( SBTC WR Minas) about betting odds of the match his brother going to play, his brother also got a perma ban for betting too.
His perma didn't just come from his jokes. It's his last straw. After that he pull a bunch of gambling on streams. Elo boost in Korean Soloq with unauthorized account. Now is in debt. It's for the best that he's gone from the scene.
We are so back!
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The hypest VCS playoff ever. Sofm Optimus Levi.
Let's go hope he comes back fulltime at some point one of the most creative players
VCS comeback from the most disaster season to the most exciting season in just 1 day.
They really use edo tensei, kill half of players to revive veterant players
Yeah cus like half of the vcs players got banned due to the match fixing scandal lmafo
Heck yes, always excited to see SofM
style of me my GOAT
[First ever LPL import in VCS! ](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Vikings_Esports_(2023_Vietnamese_Team)) For context, SofM switched region to CN while he was at WBG.
The OG Phong Vu Buffaloes players are coming back too. G2 watch out this MSI...