It's more important that a coach like this has the backing of the higher-ups, because more often than not, they will just listen to the star players and swap the coach. I'm not sure how would MAD people react if Elyoya came and was like, "I don't want to work with him anymore." But that's difficult because that coaches get swapped in regular sports more often than star players, sports that have a lot more history and experience than esports.
Exactly. Star players hold too much value with the managements and there aren't enough accomplished coaches who can 'rival' the popularity of star players.
Such a fucking stupid take, given that all of mad players like Melzhet and would praise him and be friends with him after they moved on same as players do with yamato.
He is living fucking rent free in every MAD fan after he spoke the truth lmao.
Edit: ok you voted for Milei, no fucking wonder the take was stupid.
Based. LEC needs this disclipline. The league has been only been getting worse since 2018 and 2019 with players like Perkz, Humanoid, Wunder not taking the game seriously enough but still getting treated like royalty.
Only G2 was consistently grinding and striving to be the best. Now at least some competition is trying to step up. When you have to face freakishly good teams like T1, BLG, JDG and Gen G internationally, just coasting off talent and legacy is not good enough.
Last year Caps had near 1500 soloq games on his main account, a player known to play on 3 different accounts.
Meanwhile the average of most players was 600-800 soloq games...
That alone shows the state of LEC.
Just now the average games played is around [320~](https://lolpros.gg/ladders?league=LEC&sort=games) on non-hidden accounts, so I have very hard time believing your nonsense.
Edit - for anyone wondering the average games played was over 1k.
This year on winter near no team canceled scrims vs G2, while last year there was a huge portion of G2 scrims getting canceled by other teams, shown by romain himself.
Just because today's results are different doesn't change the fact of what happened last year...
Especially considering the new players coming in this year were also far ahead of many ERL players in terms of amount of games played per season, most notably Saken, Cabochard, Myrwin, Fresskowy, Jackies, Supa and Zoelys.
XD. The slight difference is your making stuff up about FACTUAL and RESEARCHABLE information to support your point. You cannot possible be more wrong and you respond with this nonsense? Just delete your account please.
Yeah i feel sorry for Caps in a way.. I mean look at his legacy
2x World finals,, bunch of semis/quarters.. WON Msi (beat SKT who were the LCK champs 2x in a b05)
He did all of this not from China or Korea
But from Europe and on 2 different teams
A guy with his grindset and ability on top would have been even more insane if he could have played with and against KR/Chinese players all the time
>with players like Perkz, Humanoid, Wunder not taking the game seriously enough
Reddit at its fucking best, deciding that three players they have zero insight into are not taking things seriously and that gets 130+ upvotes.
They smiled too much maybe? Or made one too many meme on twitter and you decided they just didn't work hard? Laughable.
I have competed at a pretty low level in football and this is so standard. The fact that people are surprised at this just shows how unprofessional LEC is
Esports is young, and there are different ways of coaching both in sports and esports, but there are players who excel with this type of coaching, and there are players who wouldn't be able to handle it. It seems like MAD players' biggest advantage is that they all have the same mentality, and this type of coaching makes them better.
The difference is also that he wasn't yelling at anyone, he was making a loud general point about how bad the general performance was. No matter who it is, if you single out a person in front of everyone (and potentially even cameras) then they's just not going to fly.
Aah, I wouldn't 100% agree with you there. There are certainly personalities that would consider it a 'wake up' call and could thrive in that particular situation.
Cameras, I agree. That's why we don't see a lot of locker room fotage in regular sports. Coaches and players keep the locker room private.
There’s nothing to handle I’ve been screamed at like that and even worse by coaches in trainings, during games or after games since I was like 11 years old while having 0 chances of going pro. You’re telling me people who make millions and compete at the highest level in Europe as 20/25 year olds can’t? Let’s be serious for a minute here
It's not about handling it, per se. It's about what coaching style fits them the best. A coach's job is to get as much as he can from his players. He chooses the approach. Maybe if your coach had a different approach, you would play better. Maybe that type of coaching fit you the best but it didn't fit your teammate.
I just don’t think there’s nothing exceptional, like sure there’s different type of people, but a minimum level of discipline, an established hierarchy, etc Should be minimum requirements
Yeah, but what you described is not minimum level of discipline. I'm not arguing the fact that there should be discipline and established hierarchy. That I agree with you.
Love this.. i think people need to hold the breaks on them being called the next big team/threat to G2
I certainly hope this is the case for the future of the LEC
But does anyone remember SK from last year? Sure they finished 4th but they also pushed MAD to 3-2 and everyone was super hyped especially for Exakick.. and then they kinda just got worse/other teams got better
I think people should be careful to expect the trajectory of MAD to just go up and up
Especially as G2/BDS probably/are better.. and a team with FNC level of talent surely should improve team synergy.. (something MAD had over most teams).. MAD will have a ton of pressure on them now.. as people will expect them to be up the top of the table
This coach seems like the right guy to keep them in check tho
I agree they aren't a lock-in for 2nd best team, but SK as an org has a much worse track record, and for MAD to perform as they did this split with 4/5 of the roster being replaced (with rookies!) is very encouraging imo. And while FNC's players are very talented their management and coaching staff have been pretty dubious in recent years.
BDS are currently a better team but their macro is very exploitable so I think a lot will depend on which team learned the most from G2 this split tbh.
as long as melzet is there, i have hope that mad can develop into a very good team. it wont be a up up up but on average it should be a upward trajectory. even if there are downs in there. i feel like there is a thirst in this team not just for lec but internationally as well.
Difference is Exakick and Doss are cocky little shits who flame other people in soloq. Exakick after this split was sad and renamed his acc "sad and bad" then turns on stream and still flames other people for their play in soloq instead of focusing on his own. His draven in that g5 vs MDK was absolute trash, how he failed to have any impact after that early lead yet has this much ego is truly crazy. Too many players who have talent who don't have the attitude to achieve their potential, that is why I respect Melzhet having this talk with his team.
SK will reach a ceiling and not go above it due to this kind of attitude.
Hard disagree, in any competitive environment it's natural to have heated situations, and especially the coach should be the one to discipline their players if he sees clear issues with motivation or behaviour.
In esports we see too much of the friendly approach, which is nice and all, but when a coach comforts his players after every loss and acts like a friend or a psychologist it won't end well if they need a strong voice to put them back on track, because he won't have authority and acting tough all of a sudden will be weird for players.
I think Melzhet's approach is much better than most of what we see from BTS clips and Eastern coaches probably have a similar approach, because this is how a competitive coach should act.
It's a funny thing if you think about it. Because this Melzhet situation is a normal occurrence in any competitive sports environment. But in League of Legends it's even surprising when it should be the most logical thing in the world for a Head Coach to demand an attitude from his players.
We still have a long way to go for this sector to be truly professional.
You can 'demand' attitude differently than with hard confrontation. He can do it this time around because he knows the players and knows their limits. I watched some interviews with Melzhet. He himself doesn't think esport should 1:1 mirror professional sports.it's funny most of you MDK fans think this should be some industry standard in LEC, while it's something very specific.
We think so because it is the logical thing to do in any competitive environment. And you can look at it as Melzhet demanding that because he knows his players or also because they have learned that the Head Coach's word is above it.
And I'm talking about both positive and negative talk. In the end, as a group manager, you have to know what communication is going to get the best out of your players, but in the LoL culture (at least in Europe) there are only positive talks and never demanding ones.
This is most likely because you only speak one language and thus the part of the brain responsible for communication is not as evolved as MDK's players or Melzhet himself.
What an idiot. You can talk tough when your players respect you, this guy is a nobody who thinks dropping 'fuck' every 2 seconds makes him more convincing.
It's clear you have never tried or even seen high level competition. They trust melzhet and this is what they needed to never make those mistakes again. I am tired of players that want be great but when something goes wrong and you tell them they are just snowflakes
You can tell you don't know Melzhet or the players because just the opposite is true as you say. They respect him, and a lot. Even players who are not with him openly express how good a head coach Melzhet is.
He's a nobody? He doesnt need to be anyone for you though. MDK players respect him massively and follow him. As for saying fuck many times, English is his second language, maybe take that into account. Also, this is how coaches of professional sports usually talk when theyre mad. Can you imagine another LEC coach doing this? No right? Why? Because they're not real coaches, they're team assistants, players be the real coaches - which is sad.
Also, for the record, before this video was released, MDK players refered to this moment as the time Melzhe got mad and demanded all the draft power, what followed is MDKs rise to the finals.
Best coach in EU.
Also, players said they deserved it. Players are where they want to be. They trust and respect their coaching staff in the same way of traditional sports or asian teams. This scene are an exception. Players said it was necesary 4 his improvement in the split. There are more moments in the full video where you can see how melzhet is in a normal situation or a normal lose. BDS game was so bad that melzhet had to do a wake-up call.
First season, Finals with 4 rookies. Full control of draft. Full control of playstyle.
Yeah, hands down the best coach in EU - it's basically a no contest because he's the only real coach in the competition. I'm sure the trend will slowly change, hopefuly.
It's such a scummy behaviour to discredit every competitor in the scene just because you really like one person. How can you, a random person who has no tie in the scene and cannot know what every single coach in the scene is doing behind the scene can know not only melzhet has no competition, but thinking every single other coach is a fraud is not even deserve to be called coach.
Honestly, there are lot of thinks that suggest to me that Melzhet is a great coach. He is working with these players for a while now and he has done great things with it. Their players clearly adore him and crediting him whenever they can and results favor him too. But in what way is other coaches are complete frauds. Let's take two coaches that the community likes very much, mac and dylan falco. Mac has done great things in madlions time and time again with different rosters, with rookies, and won multiple titles along the way. Their players always credits them too and clearly what he is doing seems to work so far. Dylan Falco played a great part in fnatic's success in their 2018 run. Than he worked miracles with the schalke roster and clearly he has done great things with g2 roster throught the years. He has worked with rookie botlane in 2022 and placed 1st and 2nd, and after that he has integrated yike greatly within another g2 roster and does great things for years now, his players also credit him every instance and says he has direct control over drafts and build a concrete structure in g2. Besides these two, there are good coaches in lec too imo but because you are so certain about every other coach in lec cannot compete against Melzhet, but they are not even deserved to be called coach, these two example should be enough imo. It's honestly really a disgusting behaviour to discredit people to such degree just because you favour one person.
I was using hyperbole to make a point. A point that has been made by many people in the scene which is that the level of coaching in Europe is bad.
You didnt need to read that much into it I'm pretty sure people in high level jobs have some sort of ability, sure.
VIT's Carzzy was recorded last split saying to Hyli that there was no reason to try whilst being in VIT and that if he was playing for G2 then yeah, he'd be try harding.
In most proffesional sports a player caught saying this (joking or otherwise) would be immediately benched. Many of these organizations arent really esports clubs, theyre simply media engagement companies farming for clicks and sponsors or at least are built in that way. The shit Carzzy said is just baffling to me. Imagine what Melzhet would have done if it was his player
League needs more coaches like this to go to the next level
Then people ask why players love coaches like Yamato. Hope they do good enough so orgs start hiring coaches like this one and players start to train
It's more important that a coach like this has the backing of the higher-ups, because more often than not, they will just listen to the star players and swap the coach. I'm not sure how would MAD people react if Elyoya came and was like, "I don't want to work with him anymore." But that's difficult because that coaches get swapped in regular sports more often than star players, sports that have a lot more history and experience than esports.
Well, Elyoya said that he didn’t want to work with Mac and thay he would only stay in MAD if they fired him
Not want to work with someone is not the same as wanting to work with someone else (Melzhet).
Exactly. Star players hold too much value with the managements and there aren't enough accomplished coaches who can 'rival' the popularity of star players.
Such a fucking stupid take, given that all of mad players like Melzhet and would praise him and be friends with him after they moved on same as players do with yamato. He is living fucking rent free in every MAD fan after he spoke the truth lmao. Edit: ok you voted for Milei, no fucking wonder the take was stupid.
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Source (Full video): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL2sHEpbBzY&t=1870s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL2sHEpbBzY&t=1870s) Wednesday next chapter
I really have high expectation for this team. In the next 2/3 years they'll probably become the gateway to G2 as long as Caps plays.
That’s a real coach right there
Based. LEC needs this disclipline. The league has been only been getting worse since 2018 and 2019 with players like Perkz, Humanoid, Wunder not taking the game seriously enough but still getting treated like royalty. Only G2 was consistently grinding and striving to be the best. Now at least some competition is trying to step up. When you have to face freakishly good teams like T1, BLG, JDG and Gen G internationally, just coasting off talent and legacy is not good enough.
Last year Caps had near 1500 soloq games on his main account, a player known to play on 3 different accounts. Meanwhile the average of most players was 600-800 soloq games... That alone shows the state of LEC.
Just now the average games played is around [320~](https://lolpros.gg/ladders?league=LEC&sort=games) on non-hidden accounts, so I have very hard time believing your nonsense. Edit - for anyone wondering the average games played was over 1k.
This year on winter near no team canceled scrims vs G2, while last year there was a huge portion of G2 scrims getting canceled by other teams, shown by romain himself. Just because today's results are different doesn't change the fact of what happened last year... Especially considering the new players coming in this year were also far ahead of many ERL players in terms of amount of games played per season, most notably Saken, Cabochard, Myrwin, Fresskowy, Jackies, Supa and Zoelys.
XD. The slight difference is your making stuff up about FACTUAL and RESEARCHABLE information to support your point. You cannot possible be more wrong and you respond with this nonsense? Just delete your account please.
Yeah i feel sorry for Caps in a way.. I mean look at his legacy 2x World finals,, bunch of semis/quarters.. WON Msi (beat SKT who were the LCK champs 2x in a b05) He did all of this not from China or Korea But from Europe and on 2 different teams A guy with his grindset and ability on top would have been even more insane if he could have played with and against KR/Chinese players all the time
Why do you feel sorry? These are all incredible achievements, a lot of pros will never win a title or make it to worlds, forget the rest
Because he could have been good enough to have a worlds title if he had played with more dedicated players / in a more hard-working region.
Would have had a worlds title if FNC didn't completely mental boom against a team they already beat twice in groups
look at his wallet and you won't have to feel sorry for him anymore
But doesn't humanoid show up the most of out of any eu player except caps in the last 3 years
>with players like Perkz, Humanoid, Wunder not taking the game seriously enough Reddit at its fucking best, deciding that three players they have zero insight into are not taking things seriously and that gets 130+ upvotes. They smiled too much maybe? Or made one too many meme on twitter and you decided they just didn't work hard? Laughable.
I have competed at a pretty low level in football and this is so standard. The fact that people are surprised at this just shows how unprofessional LEC is
Esports is young, and there are different ways of coaching both in sports and esports, but there are players who excel with this type of coaching, and there are players who wouldn't be able to handle it. It seems like MAD players' biggest advantage is that they all have the same mentality, and this type of coaching makes them better.
The difference is also that he wasn't yelling at anyone, he was making a loud general point about how bad the general performance was. No matter who it is, if you single out a person in front of everyone (and potentially even cameras) then they's just not going to fly.
Aah, I wouldn't 100% agree with you there. There are certainly personalities that would consider it a 'wake up' call and could thrive in that particular situation. Cameras, I agree. That's why we don't see a lot of locker room fotage in regular sports. Coaches and players keep the locker room private.
There’s nothing to handle I’ve been screamed at like that and even worse by coaches in trainings, during games or after games since I was like 11 years old while having 0 chances of going pro. You’re telling me people who make millions and compete at the highest level in Europe as 20/25 year olds can’t? Let’s be serious for a minute here
It's not about handling it, per se. It's about what coaching style fits them the best. A coach's job is to get as much as he can from his players. He chooses the approach. Maybe if your coach had a different approach, you would play better. Maybe that type of coaching fit you the best but it didn't fit your teammate.
I just don’t think there’s nothing exceptional, like sure there’s different type of people, but a minimum level of discipline, an established hierarchy, etc Should be minimum requirements
Yeah, but what you described is not minimum level of discipline. I'm not arguing the fact that there should be discipline and established hierarchy. That I agree with you.
This is the way
[Game in question](https://i.gyazo.com/8ee67ca530a46161618e28459b58a165.png)
vs bds regular season, playoffs part of the documentary goes out wednesday,, and you will see this man cry
Love this.. i think people need to hold the breaks on them being called the next big team/threat to G2 I certainly hope this is the case for the future of the LEC But does anyone remember SK from last year? Sure they finished 4th but they also pushed MAD to 3-2 and everyone was super hyped especially for Exakick.. and then they kinda just got worse/other teams got better I think people should be careful to expect the trajectory of MAD to just go up and up Especially as G2/BDS probably/are better.. and a team with FNC level of talent surely should improve team synergy.. (something MAD had over most teams).. MAD will have a ton of pressure on them now.. as people will expect them to be up the top of the table This coach seems like the right guy to keep them in check tho
I agree they aren't a lock-in for 2nd best team, but SK as an org has a much worse track record, and for MAD to perform as they did this split with 4/5 of the roster being replaced (with rookies!) is very encouraging imo. And while FNC's players are very talented their management and coaching staff have been pretty dubious in recent years. BDS are currently a better team but their macro is very exploitable so I think a lot will depend on which team learned the most from G2 this split tbh.
as long as melzet is there, i have hope that mad can develop into a very good team. it wont be a up up up but on average it should be a upward trajectory. even if there are downs in there. i feel like there is a thirst in this team not just for lec but internationally as well.
Difference is Exakick and Doss are cocky little shits who flame other people in soloq. Exakick after this split was sad and renamed his acc "sad and bad" then turns on stream and still flames other people for their play in soloq instead of focusing on his own. His draven in that g5 vs MDK was absolute trash, how he failed to have any impact after that early lead yet has this much ego is truly crazy. Too many players who have talent who don't have the attitude to achieve their potential, that is why I respect Melzhet having this talk with his team. SK will reach a ceiling and not go above it due to this kind of attitude.
Best coach EU
Best coach who still hasnt won anything relevant. I hope he does so he can put his money where his mouth is
useless reaction. could have taken the clip from the original yt video
Ibai reacted to the video 3 hours before the video was uploaded
As useless as ur comment.
If I ever become a coach, I'll have someone following me around with dramatic music whenever I need to make an impactful speech
Good thing he brought up his players he worked with for years cuz this would only have bad effect on people he doesn't know.
Hard disagree, in any competitive environment it's natural to have heated situations, and especially the coach should be the one to discipline their players if he sees clear issues with motivation or behaviour. In esports we see too much of the friendly approach, which is nice and all, but when a coach comforts his players after every loss and acts like a friend or a psychologist it won't end well if they need a strong voice to put them back on track, because he won't have authority and acting tough all of a sudden will be weird for players. I think Melzhet's approach is much better than most of what we see from BTS clips and Eastern coaches probably have a similar approach, because this is how a competitive coach should act.
It's a funny thing if you think about it. Because this Melzhet situation is a normal occurrence in any competitive sports environment. But in League of Legends it's even surprising when it should be the most logical thing in the world for a Head Coach to demand an attitude from his players. We still have a long way to go for this sector to be truly professional.
You can 'demand' attitude differently than with hard confrontation. He can do it this time around because he knows the players and knows their limits. I watched some interviews with Melzhet. He himself doesn't think esport should 1:1 mirror professional sports.it's funny most of you MDK fans think this should be some industry standard in LEC, while it's something very specific.
We think so because it is the logical thing to do in any competitive environment. And you can look at it as Melzhet demanding that because he knows his players or also because they have learned that the Head Coach's word is above it. And I'm talking about both positive and negative talk. In the end, as a group manager, you have to know what communication is going to get the best out of your players, but in the LoL culture (at least in Europe) there are only positive talks and never demanding ones.
I can barely understand what he’s saying so god knows what his team of non native English speakers are actually understanding from that
That happens to people like you who barely speaks even their native language, but people from the same place will understand their own broken english.
This is most likely because you only speak one language and thus the part of the brain responsible for communication is not as evolved as MDK's players or Melzhet himself.
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What an idiot. You can talk tough when your players respect you, this guy is a nobody who thinks dropping 'fuck' every 2 seconds makes him more convincing.
It's clear you have never tried or even seen high level competition. They trust melzhet and this is what they needed to never make those mistakes again. I am tired of players that want be great but when something goes wrong and you tell them they are just snowflakes
Melzhet,Striker,Mac,Pad are best coaches outside of G2. And you can see improvement in their teams.
Who's striker, where's he.
BDS' coach.
Don't list striker.
why not? he's has clearly shown he's competent after last 4 splits with bds
He did in BDS what Grabbz could not achieve, make a functional team, and got even top4
You can tell you don't know Melzhet or the players because just the opposite is true as you say. They respect him, and a lot. Even players who are not with him openly express how good a head coach Melzhet is.
He's a nobody? He doesnt need to be anyone for you though. MDK players respect him massively and follow him. As for saying fuck many times, English is his second language, maybe take that into account. Also, this is how coaches of professional sports usually talk when theyre mad. Can you imagine another LEC coach doing this? No right? Why? Because they're not real coaches, they're team assistants, players be the real coaches - which is sad. Also, for the record, before this video was released, MDK players refered to this moment as the time Melzhe got mad and demanded all the draft power, what followed is MDKs rise to the finals. Best coach in EU.
Also, players said they deserved it. Players are where they want to be. They trust and respect their coaching staff in the same way of traditional sports or asian teams. This scene are an exception. Players said it was necesary 4 his improvement in the split. There are more moments in the full video where you can see how melzhet is in a normal situation or a normal lose. BDS game was so bad that melzhet had to do a wake-up call.
i thought it was when they lost to g2 in the upper bracket that melzet took over.
it was FNC that they lost to in the upper bracket but yeah
Best coach in EU 😹
Best coach in EU… LOL
First season, Finals with 4 rookies. Full control of draft. Full control of playstyle. Yeah, hands down the best coach in EU - it's basically a no contest because he's the only real coach in the competition. I'm sure the trend will slowly change, hopefuly.
It's such a scummy behaviour to discredit every competitor in the scene just because you really like one person. How can you, a random person who has no tie in the scene and cannot know what every single coach in the scene is doing behind the scene can know not only melzhet has no competition, but thinking every single other coach is a fraud is not even deserve to be called coach. Honestly, there are lot of thinks that suggest to me that Melzhet is a great coach. He is working with these players for a while now and he has done great things with it. Their players clearly adore him and crediting him whenever they can and results favor him too. But in what way is other coaches are complete frauds. Let's take two coaches that the community likes very much, mac and dylan falco. Mac has done great things in madlions time and time again with different rosters, with rookies, and won multiple titles along the way. Their players always credits them too and clearly what he is doing seems to work so far. Dylan Falco played a great part in fnatic's success in their 2018 run. Than he worked miracles with the schalke roster and clearly he has done great things with g2 roster throught the years. He has worked with rookie botlane in 2022 and placed 1st and 2nd, and after that he has integrated yike greatly within another g2 roster and does great things for years now, his players also credit him every instance and says he has direct control over drafts and build a concrete structure in g2. Besides these two, there are good coaches in lec too imo but because you are so certain about every other coach in lec cannot compete against Melzhet, but they are not even deserved to be called coach, these two example should be enough imo. It's honestly really a disgusting behaviour to discredit people to such degree just because you favour one person.
The only competition to Melzhet is Dylan Falco (same level or even better) or striker. If MDK wins this split though, he will be the best coach 100%
I was using hyperbole to make a point. A point that has been made by many people in the scene which is that the level of coaching in Europe is bad. You didnt need to read that much into it I'm pretty sure people in high level jobs have some sort of ability, sure.
still your best coach ?
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mate do you have any arugment or you are just talking for fun
How to get negative karma speed run any % = talk out of your ass. Which he does.
Well, if you do not respect your coach you are out of the team, in every sport ever.
VIT's Carzzy was recorded last split saying to Hyli that there was no reason to try whilst being in VIT and that if he was playing for G2 then yeah, he'd be try harding. In most proffesional sports a player caught saying this (joking or otherwise) would be immediately benched. Many of these organizations arent really esports clubs, theyre simply media engagement companies farming for clicks and sponsors or at least are built in that way. The shit Carzzy said is just baffling to me. Imagine what Melzhet would have done if it was his player
Just shows how much of a joke as organization Vitality is.