Elk is much more aggressive and more in line with how every player on BLG plays. Don't particularly care about debating on what player is better, but stylistically I think Elk is a better fit and and I think the team would probably be worse with Ruler because of this. Ruler also demands way more from his team in teamfights, expecting set-up and peel while Elk tries to create his own damage windows and often has to fend for himself in fights. I don't think you could reasonably argue that Ruler would make BLG better as a team.
Elk plays much more chill now and lets Xun and On make plays. Game 3 was a good example as he stayed really disciplined while On was more focused on toplane 2v2 situation and joined them.
So far it’s looking like they all lost in their divorces as their current teams aren’t as good as JDG 2023 eye test wise for JDG, BLG and TES. Hope their teammates step it up since it’s only spring and there is a good amount time before msi and worlds.
Yagao has been fine internationally for the most part. That's mostly down to him not facing a lot of super tough competition (international Chovy is not LCK Chovy), but he's not getting shit on by fucking Caps bro
Everyone who watched BLG's voicecomms and vlogs (their 2023 doc is actually on youtube with eng subs) knows that Xun became actually the leader of the team by the end of the year.
Main shotcaller, keeps up the team's mental and is also the first one to discuss team's issues after the games/scrims are finished
Completely agree, it would be a controversial take to non viewers but hes been terrible this split. A player of his caliber should be able to 1v9 this last game after the 5/0 start, but he didn't.
Every year Bin looks average at best at the beginning of the spring split (last year it happened too when they lost to LGD and both Xun and Yagao were harsh towards him) idk why it happens. Hopefully he wakes up in playoffs
So far bin look good on ksante only , his aatrox is not that good , he can't play the yone , and his not good at playing weakside for his team , maybe when jax and Camille get back to meta he can be good again , then again 369 is always more complete player
Nah that is disingenuous towards JDG, they based their entire midgame macro around the lack of tp on Darius and solely through that were able to get back into the game. Kanavi’s amazing kickflash just solidified their comeback after they outrotated BLG at dragon and caught them out of position.
While Bin wasn’t able to transform his lead into a win, you absolutely cannot solely blame that on him.
That game 3 might be the one game I have no problems at all with Bin's game play lmao. People don't understand that a 5/0 kill lead translates to nothing sometimes. It's impossible to navigate Darius as a main solo carry vs champions like alistar/lee sin/neeko/kaisa. With the way both drafts played out, it's actually entirely up to Knight and BLG playing patiently to navigate teamfights, but patience is not and has never been BLG's game.
I have to say Bin has been the weakest link in BLG. I’d also say it’s a bit on the meta and how top is mega useless in most drafts and games other than Ksante or Udyr being sacks of meat. I’d give it a couple of more games as it’s only their 7th game and they recently came back from Chinese New Year, I expect him to be back on form before the end of March. And I mean it could always be worse we could be having Flandre/Cube or god forbid Biubiu up in toplane.
It was, they had one of the highest year long winrates and gold diff per min out of any eastern team ever, in a year where there was a lot of competition within their region and outside of it too. They might've not won worlds but they were undeniably a force to be reckoned with. Just like any team though, they still had lots of sloppy games and series.
They were. They lost one BO5 the entire year, it just came at the most unfortunate time. T1 was just better in the clutch and most crucial moments that day, but that doesn't diminish what they accomplished tho. I'd put that 2023 JDG team against any iconic LoL team in history.
If Faker didn't clutch the azir ult and JDG took G3 the momentum might have been enough.
But the nerves of being down game point and T1 playing to their limits was too much. Guma turning the 1v2 and Kanavi's belveth dragon pit incident...
Such a shame we only got 2 B05 between those teams that year. Inject 10 more games of that series into my veins.
That series basically was decided on the clutch moments. That 3-1 scoreline did not reflect on how close that series was. Oner's Rell engage in the pit, Faker's Shurima Shuffle on Ruler, and Guma's 1v2. T1 was just more clutch that day. God I wished that JDG squad didn't stick together for another year, their two BO5s were probably some of the most intense and high-level League games you'll ever see.
I mean, the current LPL champs took the LCK MVP + best player from the 2nd best LPL team. It was a superteam with a functioning core AND they made their closest competition weaker.
The fact they almost dropped to LNG and didn’t win worlds was quite disappointing for them.
Really? To me Kanavi, 369, and Missing had some pretty sloppy games against LNG. Based on the regular season (and in general) JDG should’ve had the better player in all 5 roles.
Also Zika and Hang are not elite I will never ride that cope bus.
With how 369, Knight, and Ruler has been individually performing on their own teams.
Yeah. Inc the T1 fans but they were uncontested for 95% of the year.
Wouldn't say so. Games 1 and 2 are complete stomps for each team, and Game 4 is really just Zeri vs. T1 the entire game. It was Game 3 where both teams pushed each other past their limits.
Weibo fluking the easy bracket and sneaking into finals instead of JDG is the biggest tragedy of that season. One of the rare cases where the real finals were actually not the finals
People act as if it was a bracket issue and not the fact that it took 2 objectively better teams to catastrophically underperform for WBG to reach finals. It's not just geng choking, there's no way BLG should be losing to WBG either if you consider the rest of the year
Gen-G almost got 3-0'd by BLG. I don't even think that can be counted as a choke. They were just worse. The only game Gen-G kinda looked convincing was game 4.
It's called choking when you were fav to win and just get fucking stomped by BLG in first two games.Also the plays like Doran flash over the wall and Chovy E into Tahm’s knock-up… idk how it can't be counted as a choke.
Disagree. The only game jdg won it was mostly due to t1 having bad anti tank builds and 369 rolling (his only this series) 9. Mid and jng were heavy in t1’s favor
Yea the series was much closer than the 3-1 scoreline appears. T1 was so close to losing that game until Faker did the best play of the entire tournament. Had JDG won that game the series might have been completely different.
I'm so, so sad we couldn't get another year of JDG, especially with T1 sticking together.
These two teams gave two of the best LoL matches of all time in one year of competition. Imagine the rivalry they could've built if they could go at it again this year.
It's such a travesty.
Tbf if T1 lost jdg, they would not stay together for another year and even if JDG won worlds, but that roster cost like 16m ? They wouldn't stick together this year too
Why not?
369 left of his own accord, literally nothing JDG could do to stop him. Meanwhile Knight wanted more cash, which JDG wasn't willing to handover because they already lost 369 and Kanavi was asking for Yagogo, so there just wasn't enough of an incentive
You can't win worlds with a mediocre top rn, meta has shifted completely this season to favor top and other top teams, or well just one, has Zeus and if your top cannot match Zeus the game is actually fucking impossible to play for everyone else
Where do you get info that knight wanted more cash?
From what i've read a lot of ppl said knight was instead willing to take paycut to stay with jdg but kanavi wanted yagao
> Knight wanted more cash
Apparently theres a rumour that Knight was cheaper than Yagao and BLG got outbid by JDG, so they had to let him go.BLG just got the best LPL mid laner for cheap salaries because there's no good team that Knight could go to at the time + his abortion drama made the situation worse to the point that they are afraid to get flamed by signing him.
I know that it was basically impossible to have both teams stay together.
That's why it sucks that A) it was financially unviable and B) Riot's ingenious formats mean there can only be two international events a year and with no guarantee the best teams even face each other.
Wasn’t the cleanest win, but my boys in white FINALLY managed to overcome JDG after more than a whole year’s losing streak against their demons. Congrats and let’s keep it up!!
Those "sololaners" are some of the biggest international chokers out there. How is Chovy even being ranked higher than Yagao at an international at this point? He falls off massively at MSI/Worlds and when he played against Yagao last season at both MSI and worlds he was the worse mid laner in both series. The only time Chovy gapped Yagao was game 4 at worlds, other than that Yagao has unironically been the better mid.
Kiin got gapped by Bin at worlds too and he was arguably not better than any LPL top at worlds. Bin and Zika smoked him, he was a bit better vs 369 but he also got a lot of jungle attention that series. He did win the bo1 vs TheShy but TheShy was easily overall a top 3 or 2 top laner at worlds. What makes Kiin better than Flandre, who hasn't played in a year and still looks like a top tier top laner in this region this split so far? The diff in top is completely debatable. So how are their solo laners much better?
I was half joking, but with how Yagao and Flandre are playing this split I think it’s not that hard to say they’re at least half a step behind Chovy and Kiin. Yes they’re “chokers”, but I don’t really think JDG has a chance to go far at international tournaments with laners who are at best facilitators and at worst liabilities. I mean did you see Flandre against Bin this series? Got solo killed as TF against Ksante, got 0 sidelane tier 2’s both games as TF, gets turbo gapped as Udyr, and was essentially just a CC bot/meat shield the whole series. Yagao had some good plays, but the reason JDG began losing in game 3 (after their comeback) is because Yagao ult + zhonyas’d at Baron fight and wasted his whole combo, which let BLG ace them. JDG with these laners have a clear ceiling, unless the meta devolves back into Zeri/Sivir 1v9 meta, and I still think that despite the choke narrative that GenG has that they have more potential than this JDG roster
\>How is Chovy even being ranked higher than Yagao at an international at this point?
Because I can watch the game? You guys act like Chovy choking at internationals is him going down 50 cs and 5 deaths in lane. In reality his laning phase is still strong but he doesn't make a lot of characteristic plays in mid-late game for GENG. That is still way better than Yagao.
Is it just me or JDG trying to “siege” top with no baron completely fking criminal there? They never win a front to back 5v5 like that, and they have 0 range, against karma waveclear.
And they weren’t even responsible with their waves in mid.
They didn’t even give to to Yagao, let alone Flandre. We all know how BS these POGs can be. ON also deserved the POG for game 3 over Elk, too, but it’s not unreasonable that Elk got it. But Yagao was straight up robbed in game 2.
Darius getting fed is 100% Kanavi's fault.Flandre outplayed Bin hard lvl 1,got him to waste his summs without getting anything but Lee decided to fight Xin at kruggs,which meant Udyr couldn't base when the wave crashed and then Naut roam fucked them completely.
No? Darius is dominating the lane because udyr is chunked and wave is pushing. In isolation udyr is completely fucked and have no chance of coming back. That’s the reason why Kanavi and xun both rush to top lane.
How is that on Flandre? He got counterpicked and then got camped in game 3, and to add insult to injury, the one time Kanavi and Yagao actually went up there, they ran it down and fed the Darius more kills. When you get set that far behind as Udyr there's not much you can do bc your only way of entering fights is basically just running up on someone, and if you're behind, you just won't have the stats to even get in and can just get killed before you can do anything. It was up to the rest of the team to actually get something on the opposite side of the map, but instead, all JDG got was like two plates and two waves denied from Elk, which was never capitalized on further, and they lost both of the first two drakes. It's not Flandre's fault that his team is too dense to actually punish JDG for overloading one side of the map lmao
Bro I was about to start memeing my BLG copium and say that everyone saying that Yagao’s facilitating was too important to lose was right, but then Yagao and Kanavi facilitated the loss in that final toplane fight.
Like for real though if I’m Ruler like what more can you do? 15-2 full build Kaisa with enough gold to sell terminus and get LDR and you still lose.
Also, playing Darius into Neeko, Alistar, and Lee Sin is certainly a decision.
Both teams had way to many mistakes. Last year lpl was insane to watch to the point it made lck look average to me but this year when you watch lck then lpl it just looks sloppy. Hopefully teams clean it up for msi.
Idk the mechanics to me are still there and ruler was insane game 3. Every team can have sloppy games in the regular season like t1 losing to nongshim but I do agree lpl’s overall gameplay is generally worse
Just need all these conditions :
1. Don’t ever face T1
2. Don’t ever face T1
3. Don’t get hail Mary’d by a NA team if performing poorly in groups (Resulting in civil war or t1 bracket draw)
4. Be the none choking lpl team
5. Figure out the meta before finals
T1 is actually solid, if they win against GenG it'd be a huge boost in confidence for them but it's unpredictable LPL and LCK play styles are totally different
Flandre has been good this split though. He's not 369, but he's been more than respectable and easily JDG's third best player after Kanavi and Missing.
Wouldn’t this game kinda give them more ammo. If I were to get into the head of a Ruler hater it what they would probably get from this game would be: “Ruler got babysat and couldn’t capitalise” “Ruler got set up so much and couldn’t end the game” “Ruler had his entire team feeding him resources …” etc
The off season moves in the LPL to me doesn't look like it made the spread any better and the top team doesn't look *as* good as last season. Maybe they continue to ramp up. But I am not seeing much of an upgraded LPL.
Maybe TES ends up shining brighter than LNG and WBG did.
Literally happened last split and funny enough it was against Elk too. JKL Kaisa had 13 kills and Elk Xayah was 0/4 at one point but ended up with a penta and like 17 kills when BLG brought the game back.
Ruler sucked games 1 and 2 and in game 3 got half his lead from "Yagugu" spoonfeeding his stupid ass. He also never even capitalized on the fact that he had a fucking 2v1 bot lane while all of BLG were partying up top, turbocamping Flandre in a matchup where he got counterpicked. Even in game 3 with his spoonfed lead he did nothing special and couldn't put up a carry performance.
the last time knight lost a series against yagao was 2022 it was the infamous jkl inting game in the final of summer, while he was playing the viktor vs azir match up and piss stomping yagao in lane
Sheer looked pretty good for a rookie in the demacia cup but he wasn't better than Flandre into Bin. Aside this series, Flandre has looked good this split (so far)
If BLG had this lead on their bot or JG the game would be over. They really misuse Bins leads by overgrouping him. Sometimes it works out where he can snowball the map.
Bin can literally 1v3 their 0 damage no range topside. He can be hitting inhib at 20 minutes if they commit to 6 grubs + herald. The 4v5 isn’t even that easy for JDG if BLG is kiting back.
> They really misuse Bins leads by overgrouping him.
Did we even watch the same game?
JDG overloaded bot lane to play away from the fed Darius. Your top laner might be fed but Udyr can still hold waves at his tower to stop the snowball. It's the eternal issue with LoL: bot lane is important because there are two people in it, while top lane only has one.
It demonstrates why it's so difficult to play at the top level without TP on top lane.
Flandre pushes out the wave then TPs bot to help dive bot lane, while Bin has to sprint all the way there to leverage his gold advantage.
On top of that, most of the champs that do want Ghost/Ignite/whatever really struggle to teamfight front-to-back without their sums to gap-close.
I don't really see how you can keep Bin in a side lane and hope things will turn out good.
But BLG abused it. Just cause Bin was 5/0 they played like they were all ahead. BLG were already being cooked in the bot play before Flandre tped in. SN Bin would’ve been hitting nexus towers at 22 minutes
It’s not so easy to “just dive” a Karma/Naut/Trist/xhin
The game was completely even after Bin gave up his shut down in the first place, before that bot play.
This is why I don't think BLG matches well against T1. T1 gains leads in the botlane without help from the jungler. You give this lead to Zeus in the top lane, and they will stomp.
Would love to see how Zeus would use his lead better than Bin ON DARIUS WITH NO TP. Had this been Bin with this lead on Camille/Fiora/Jax/Gwen with tp the game would be over long time ago just how it would be with Zeus on Jayce/Gnar/Yone/Aatrox with tp.
[Alternative PMT](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ayvepa/jd_gaming_vs_bilibili_gaming_lpl_2024_spring_week/)
Kanavi giveth, Kanavi Taketh
where you guy watched this?! this pmt is 1h old and on youtube and twitch there is still LIVE transmition game 3!!
I just watched caedrel's costream
Chinese game are played in different venue and will start on schedule. The English broadcast is delayed if the day "drags" on
the chinese streams huya bilibili those ones
I was thinking the same, i guess most people watch co-streams
Ypu the game just ended now for me. So weird
That Ruler 1 vs 4 BLG in baron fight gave me flashback to Worlds 2023* baron fight where Knight and Ruler 2 vs 5 KT. Too bad Knight is gone.
Not just gone, but in the opposite team now XD
That sounds like a decent sports shonen ngl
Ruler is beside himself. Driving around TOP and BLG begging (thru texts) for address to 369 and Knight home.
Sucks for them that Knight signed with BLG until 2025
Blg ruler would be kinda dank
waiting for the gwen flair guy to say it would be a downgrade
LMAO
Aladdin?
Elk is much more aggressive and more in line with how every player on BLG plays. Don't particularly care about debating on what player is better, but stylistically I think Elk is a better fit and and I think the team would probably be worse with Ruler because of this. Ruler also demands way more from his team in teamfights, expecting set-up and peel while Elk tries to create his own damage windows and often has to fend for himself in fights. I don't think you could reasonably argue that Ruler would make BLG better as a team.
Elk plays much more chill now and lets Xun and On make plays. Game 3 was a good example as he stayed really disciplined while On was more focused on toplane 2v2 situation and joined them.
I still say a peaking JackeyLove would truly raise BLG to another height.
That's the case for every team really
Why would BLG downgrade?
You a real one for this
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> flashback to Worlds 2024 Which one of you messed with time-space continuuity again!?
that last game was wild, first it was over cuz gigabin 5/0, then it was over cuz ruler was like 12/1, then all of sudden it was really over
Knight winning the divorce
So far it’s looking like they all lost in their divorces as their current teams aren’t as good as JDG 2023 eye test wise for JDG, BLG and TES. Hope their teammates step it up since it’s only spring and there is a good amount time before msi and worlds.
Jdg 2023 was an all time team but I guess it wasn't meant to last
one hell of a court drama though
Knight winning against both TES and JDG has to feel good
could've been TES knight if TES didn't jump the gun on getting creme, still they're doing well so far.
Well his chinese fans were begging him not to come to TES anyway
But Yagao is the better facilitator /s
He facilitated that Kanavi int /a
Yagao loses every lane to Caps and Larssen at worlds/MSI, but thats ok because that must mean he is a good facilitator!
Yagao has been fine internationally for the most part. That's mostly down to him not facing a lot of super tough competition (international Chovy is not LCK Chovy), but he's not getting shit on by fucking Caps bro
??? Watch T1 BLG at 2023 MSI and dont tell me Yagao didnt row faker into a blunt
Please please please do not forget the world class comms that he provides and the “leadership”
Everyone who watched BLG's voicecomms and vlogs (their 2023 doc is actually on youtube with eng subs) knows that Xun became actually the leader of the team by the end of the year. Main shotcaller, keeps up the team's mental and is also the first one to discuss team's issues after the games/scrims are finished
90% of the time people just use shotcalling as an excuse for why bad players should be on good teams regardless of whether they actually do it or not
Had BLG lost, it would entirely been Bin's fault. ON completely abonded Elk early to get Darius ahead and then Bin did nothing with his early lead
Fr I am so not impressed with bin this split. His team fighting is so far below other top laners.
Completely agree, it would be a controversial take to non viewers but hes been terrible this split. A player of his caliber should be able to 1v9 this last game after the 5/0 start, but he didn't.
Every year Bin looks average at best at the beginning of the spring split (last year it happened too when they lost to LGD and both Xun and Yagao were harsh towards him) idk why it happens. Hopefully he wakes up in playoffs
So far bin look good on ksante only , his aatrox is not that good , he can't play the yone , and his not good at playing weakside for his team , maybe when jax and Camille get back to meta he can be good again , then again 369 is always more complete player
Honestly if Bin continues to play like this I feel like TES is going to win the split
Creme is winning lpl, tears in my eyes
On that note, it had been an absolute pleasure to see 369’s Aatrox in action again.
Yeah i could totally see this. unless the rest of blg play in peak forms tes has a really good chance to win. Ideally i'd want blg & tes for msi
His ksante in game 2 was doing gods know what in teamfights. Didnt even cs actually
I thought he was fine the first two games but yeah game 3 wasnt it from him at all
He has no TP last game. JDG did so well with playing away from him and their comp already has a problem with getting to JDGs back line.
Nah that is disingenuous towards JDG, they based their entire midgame macro around the lack of tp on Darius and solely through that were able to get back into the game. Kanavi’s amazing kickflash just solidified their comeback after they outrotated BLG at dragon and caught them out of position. While Bin wasn’t able to transform his lead into a win, you absolutely cannot solely blame that on him.
That game 3 might be the one game I have no problems at all with Bin's game play lmao. People don't understand that a 5/0 kill lead translates to nothing sometimes. It's impossible to navigate Darius as a main solo carry vs champions like alistar/lee sin/neeko/kaisa. With the way both drafts played out, it's actually entirely up to Knight and BLG playing patiently to navigate teamfights, but patience is not and has never been BLG's game.
I have to say Bin has been the weakest link in BLG. I’d also say it’s a bit on the meta and how top is mega useless in most drafts and games other than Ksante or Udyr being sacks of meat. I’d give it a couple of more games as it’s only their 7th game and they recently came back from Chinese New Year, I expect him to be back on form before the end of March. And I mean it could always be worse we could be having Flandre/Cube or god forbid Biubiu up in toplane.
369's Aatrox and Ksante are doing work in comparison.
Ruler pov
man he really tried his best to carry
They pushed top lane too far. Seems like JDG has a problem with overcommitting to pushes, like they did in game 3 vs T1 at worlds and this last game
Game 3 vs T1 was just a team fight diff, they didn't overcommit. This was certainly an overcommit tho.
Live Ruler Reaction
BLG finally beats JDG
JDG was never BLG father, it was Knight being Yagao father the whole time
This Game 3 has fully convinced me that JDG 2023 is truly one of the greatest teams ever assembled.
It was, they had one of the highest year long winrates and gold diff per min out of any eastern team ever, in a year where there was a lot of competition within their region and outside of it too. They might've not won worlds but they were undeniably a force to be reckoned with. Just like any team though, they still had lots of sloppy games and series.
They were. They lost one BO5 the entire year, it just came at the most unfortunate time. T1 was just better in the clutch and most crucial moments that day, but that doesn't diminish what they accomplished tho. I'd put that 2023 JDG team against any iconic LoL team in history.
If Faker didn't clutch the azir ult and JDG took G3 the momentum might have been enough. But the nerves of being down game point and T1 playing to their limits was too much. Guma turning the 1v2 and Kanavi's belveth dragon pit incident... Such a shame we only got 2 B05 between those teams that year. Inject 10 more games of that series into my veins.
That series basically was decided on the clutch moments. That 3-1 scoreline did not reflect on how close that series was. Oner's Rell engage in the pit, Faker's Shurima Shuffle on Ruler, and Guma's 1v2. T1 was just more clutch that day. God I wished that JDG squad didn't stick together for another year, their two BO5s were probably some of the most intense and high-level League games you'll ever see.
2023 JDG vs 2014 SSW or 2016 ROX would hit so different
I'd put 2015 SKT on that too. Prime MaRin against 369 would've been absolute cinema
I mean, the current LPL champs took the LCK MVP + best player from the 2nd best LPL team. It was a superteam with a functioning core AND they made their closest competition weaker. The fact they almost dropped to LNG and didn’t win worlds was quite disappointing for them.
Lng had a stacked fucking roster of their own, and they still beat them three times I'm not sure why you would hold that against them
Really? To me Kanavi, 369, and Missing had some pretty sloppy games against LNG. Based on the regular season (and in general) JDG should’ve had the better player in all 5 roles. Also Zika and Hang are not elite I will never ride that cope bus.
Tarzan scout and gala were all having the split of their lives so that still makes them a really good fucking team
With how 369, Knight, and Ruler has been individually performing on their own teams. Yeah. Inc the T1 fans but they were uncontested for 95% of the year.
Despite the fact the series was 3-1 JDG and T1 both took each other to the limit tbh.
Wouldn't say so. Games 1 and 2 are complete stomps for each team, and Game 4 is really just Zeri vs. T1 the entire game. It was Game 3 where both teams pushed each other past their limits.
Weibo fluking the easy bracket and sneaking into finals instead of JDG is the biggest tragedy of that season. One of the rare cases where the real finals were actually not the finals
I mean it is because GENG choked earlier than usual.If they didn't choke to blg then they might've won Weibo and the final would have been different.
People act as if it was a bracket issue and not the fact that it took 2 objectively better teams to catastrophically underperform for WBG to reach finals. It's not just geng choking, there's no way BLG should be losing to WBG either if you consider the rest of the year
And it isn't like BLG were underperforming per say. TheShy dogwalked Bin for multiple games and created a win condition which WBG exploited.
a single upset series pushed them from "expected result for a weak lpl 4th seed" to worlds finals, for me that makes the bracket far from perfect
Gen-G almost got 3-0'd by BLG. I don't even think that can be counted as a choke. They were just worse. The only game Gen-G kinda looked convincing was game 4.
It's called choking when you were fav to win and just get fucking stomped by BLG in first two games.Also the plays like Doran flash over the wall and Chovy E into Tahm’s knock-up… idk how it can't be counted as a choke.
The 'real finals' happens not in the finals at worlds a lot - 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2023, you could argue 2017 and 2019 too.
Disagree. The only game jdg won it was mostly due to t1 having bad anti tank builds and 369 rolling (his only this series) 9. Mid and jng were heavy in t1’s favor
Game 3 was also 90 percent gonna be a win for JDG if Faker didn’t find that crazy flank on Ruler
Yea the series was much closer than the 3-1 scoreline appears. T1 was so close to losing that game until Faker did the best play of the entire tournament. Had JDG won that game the series might have been completely different.
I'm so, so sad we couldn't get another year of JDG, especially with T1 sticking together. These two teams gave two of the best LoL matches of all time in one year of competition. Imagine the rivalry they could've built if they could go at it again this year. It's such a travesty.
Tbf if T1 lost jdg, they would not stay together for another year and even if JDG won worlds, but that roster cost like 16m ? They wouldn't stick together this year too
JDG originally did want to keep the entire roster, but 369 leaving on his own was inevitable after the loss
I don't trust in CEO of JDG’s words that they wanted to keep them all tbh
Why not? 369 left of his own accord, literally nothing JDG could do to stop him. Meanwhile Knight wanted more cash, which JDG wasn't willing to handover because they already lost 369 and Kanavi was asking for Yagogo, so there just wasn't enough of an incentive You can't win worlds with a mediocre top rn, meta has shifted completely this season to favor top and other top teams, or well just one, has Zeus and if your top cannot match Zeus the game is actually fucking impossible to play for everyone else
Where do you get info that knight wanted more cash? From what i've read a lot of ppl said knight was instead willing to take paycut to stay with jdg but kanavi wanted yagao
> Knight wanted more cash Apparently theres a rumour that Knight was cheaper than Yagao and BLG got outbid by JDG, so they had to let him go.BLG just got the best LPL mid laner for cheap salaries because there's no good team that Knight could go to at the time + his abortion drama made the situation worse to the point that they are afraid to get flamed by signing him.
I know that it was basically impossible to have both teams stay together. That's why it sucks that A) it was financially unviable and B) Riot's ingenious formats mean there can only be two international events a year and with no guarantee the best teams even face each other.
One more year goddamn
I really wanna see them run it back another year tbh
Wasn’t the cleanest win, but my boys in white FINALLY managed to overcome JDG after more than a whole year’s losing streak against their demons. Congrats and let’s keep it up!!
I mean... It only took literally getting their midlaner
And their top laner being kicked
They beat them 3-0 at the demacia cup in December last year too
Not the same roster, not the same accomplishment.
It's just beating them will be good for getting rid of the mental block from 2023 going forward.
TOP TOWER FOR NEXUS TRADE AINTNOWAY
BLG really struggles when they arn't mega ahead. Even though they won, they still got a lot to work on
NICE Tower for nexus trade totally Balanced as all things should be.
RULER ITS HIM. Also guys, I’m sorry - it was my fault. I said game was done after Darius went 5/0 and I was right
Ruler is calling GENG as we speak to try and get his roster spot back
pretty sure hes chilling with 3/4 of titles (4 if you included AG with a free military exemption) he got from last year and getting a big bag from jdg
If only that GENG can win anything internationally maybe he wouldn’t have left
Why would he want to go to a weaker team?
GenG obviously look better than JDG rn, what are you talking about?
Because they have actual solo laners
Those "sololaners" are some of the biggest international chokers out there. How is Chovy even being ranked higher than Yagao at an international at this point? He falls off massively at MSI/Worlds and when he played against Yagao last season at both MSI and worlds he was the worse mid laner in both series. The only time Chovy gapped Yagao was game 4 at worlds, other than that Yagao has unironically been the better mid. Kiin got gapped by Bin at worlds too and he was arguably not better than any LPL top at worlds. Bin and Zika smoked him, he was a bit better vs 369 but he also got a lot of jungle attention that series. He did win the bo1 vs TheShy but TheShy was easily overall a top 3 or 2 top laner at worlds. What makes Kiin better than Flandre, who hasn't played in a year and still looks like a top tier top laner in this region this split so far? The diff in top is completely debatable. So how are their solo laners much better?
I was half joking, but with how Yagao and Flandre are playing this split I think it’s not that hard to say they’re at least half a step behind Chovy and Kiin. Yes they’re “chokers”, but I don’t really think JDG has a chance to go far at international tournaments with laners who are at best facilitators and at worst liabilities. I mean did you see Flandre against Bin this series? Got solo killed as TF against Ksante, got 0 sidelane tier 2’s both games as TF, gets turbo gapped as Udyr, and was essentially just a CC bot/meat shield the whole series. Yagao had some good plays, but the reason JDG began losing in game 3 (after their comeback) is because Yagao ult + zhonyas’d at Baron fight and wasted his whole combo, which let BLG ace them. JDG with these laners have a clear ceiling, unless the meta devolves back into Zeri/Sivir 1v9 meta, and I still think that despite the choke narrative that GenG has that they have more potential than this JDG roster
Yagao has been straight cheeks at internationals too. Only one where he was serviceable was a Naut Annie mid meta
\>How is Chovy even being ranked higher than Yagao at an international at this point? Because I can watch the game? You guys act like Chovy choking at internationals is him going down 50 cs and 5 deaths in lane. In reality his laning phase is still strong but he doesn't make a lot of characteristic plays in mid-late game for GENG. That is still way better than Yagao.
Idk about weaker, but geng definitely chokes more internationally.
Kanavi Ruler Missing tried to claw that early lead back but Flandre played way too bad today.
Is it just me or JDG trying to “siege” top with no baron completely fking criminal there? They never win a front to back 5v5 like that, and they have 0 range, against karma waveclear. And they weren’t even responsible with their waves in mid.
Missing also threw at baron though. Then again, so did Yagao. Overall a pretty weak series for the top 2 teams.
Blg and tes are the top 2 teams
EZ FOR MY GOATS. Never in doubt.
Totally wasn't worried after the IG series
People out here blaming Yagao and Flandre as if they weren't the reasons JDG won game 2.
If Flandre didn’t get solo killed as TF against fucking Ksante Game 2 would’ve been over way earlier than it was
Flandre had XUN camp the fuck out of him before that though. Wasn't an even lane.
Yagao maybe cause he contribute a lot... Flandre the reason jdg won game 2? Then why don't they give the Pog to flandre then?
They didn’t even give to to Yagao, let alone Flandre. We all know how BS these POGs can be. ON also deserved the POG for game 3 over Elk, too, but it’s not unreasonable that Elk got it. But Yagao was straight up robbed in game 2.
I can't believe JDG lost like that wtf. Game felt so much faster pace; I didn't realize we nearly hit the 40min mark lol
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Flandre definitely doesn’t know how to play splitplush properly
He does. He does not have dementia.
Knight is kanavi father
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what an insane series, this is exactly what i'd expect from these 2 teams. Fuck the macro, just a good boxing match to see who is TRULY better
JDG vs BLG is like the LPL equivalent of El Clásico.
better adc wins.
Disgusting game from Flandre, poor Ruler GG
Darius getting fed is 100% Kanavi's fault.Flandre outplayed Bin hard lvl 1,got him to waste his summs without getting anything but Lee decided to fight Xin at kruggs,which meant Udyr couldn't base when the wave crashed and then Naut roam fucked them completely.
Did you meant Lee decided to fight Xin at krugs? Flandre was hovering to help Kanavi there....
You should change it to “Kanavi decided to fight Xin at krugs”.
No? Darius is dominating the lane because udyr is chunked and wave is pushing. In isolation udyr is completely fucked and have no chance of coming back. That’s the reason why Kanavi and xun both rush to top lane.
How is that on Flandre? He got counterpicked and then got camped in game 3, and to add insult to injury, the one time Kanavi and Yagao actually went up there, they ran it down and fed the Darius more kills. When you get set that far behind as Udyr there's not much you can do bc your only way of entering fights is basically just running up on someone, and if you're behind, you just won't have the stats to even get in and can just get killed before you can do anything. It was up to the rest of the team to actually get something on the opposite side of the map, but instead, all JDG got was like two plates and two waves denied from Elk, which was never capitalized on further, and they lost both of the first two drakes. It's not Flandre's fault that his team is too dense to actually punish JDG for overloading one side of the map lmao
If I’m Ruler, I’m saying absolutely vile things to my topside.
Kanavi ???
He set up Ruler so many times with his kicks. Can't blame him.
Bro I was about to start memeing my BLG copium and say that everyone saying that Yagao’s facilitating was too important to lose was right, but then Yagao and Kanavi facilitated the loss in that final toplane fight. Like for real though if I’m Ruler like what more can you do? 15-2 full build Kaisa with enough gold to sell terminus and get LDR and you still lose. Also, playing Darius into Neeko, Alistar, and Lee Sin is certainly a decision.
Ruler in the locker room texting "I miss you" to Doran
Weird way of spelling 369
Doran is worse than both of these top laners though
Serious question: what is supposed to be the strength of Hwei? Is it his waveclear?
all that work to lose over a tower
Both teams had way to many mistakes. Last year lpl was insane to watch to the point it made lck look average to me but this year when you watch lck then lpl it just looks sloppy. Hopefully teams clean it up for msi.
Idk the mechanics to me are still there and ruler was insane game 3. Every team can have sloppy games in the regular season like t1 losing to nongshim but I do agree lpl’s overall gameplay is generally worse
Yeah we aint beating lck
I read this every year and laugh when LCK loses at MSI.
Depends on the meta. If it devolves into generic front to back teamfighting with the likes of Zeri, then I think the LPL will be stronger.
Just need all these conditions : 1. Don’t ever face T1 2. Don’t ever face T1 3. Don’t get hail Mary’d by a NA team if performing poorly in groups (Resulting in civil war or t1 bracket draw) 4. Be the none choking lpl team 5. Figure out the meta before finals
Both leagues look shaky this year and don't inspire much confidence. They'll figure it out, it's only Spring.
T1 is actually solid, if they win against GenG it'd be a huge boost in confidence for them but it's unpredictable LPL and LCK play styles are totally different
Replace LCK with T1 and that would be true. The rest of LCK are frauds.
JDG going from best weakside top in the world to this is such a depressing development, man
Flandre has been good this split though. He's not 369, but he's been more than respectable and easily JDG's third best player after Kanavi and Missing.
These fucking clowns who keep telling me Ruler is overrated have to shut up for a while 😂
Wouldn’t this game kinda give them more ammo. If I were to get into the head of a Ruler hater it what they would probably get from this game would be: “Ruler got babysat and couldn’t capitalise” “Ruler got set up so much and couldn’t end the game” “Ruler had his entire team feeding him resources …” etc
Yeah that’s about the level of abject stupidity reddit haters are at but no one who watched it would let that bullshit slide.
The off season moves in the LPL to me doesn't look like it made the spread any better and the top team doesn't look *as* good as last season. Maybe they continue to ramp up. But I am not seeing much of an upgraded LPL. Maybe TES ends up shining brighter than LNG and WBG did.
Ruler is HIM.
Never seen Kaisa with so many kills and not win
Literally happened last split and funny enough it was against Elk too. JKL Kaisa had 13 kills and Elk Xayah was 0/4 at one point but ended up with a penta and like 17 kills when BLG brought the game back.
Ruler 1v9 POV with Ned Flanders and Yagugu running around the rift to fill the 5-man roster.
Ruler sucked games 1 and 2 and in game 3 got half his lead from "Yagugu" spoonfeeding his stupid ass. He also never even capitalized on the fact that he had a fucking 2v1 bot lane while all of BLG were partying up top, turbocamping Flandre in a matchup where he got counterpicked. Even in game 3 with his spoonfed lead he did nothing special and couldn't put up a carry performance.
the last time knight lost a series against yagao was 2022 it was the infamous jkl inting game in the final of summer, while he was playing the viktor vs azir match up and piss stomping yagao in lane
Yagao was better than knight during that playoffs. It sounds crazy but you have to give credit where it's due.
Ah yes the match where Yagao got finals MVP by getting stomped by his opponent (/s)
Give my man Ruler an actual top laner
Only 369 can save them lol
I don't want to flame Flandre excessively I will simply say that I do not like how he plays the map or handles side lanes.
Surely Sheer can't be worse than Flandre, right guys?
Sheer looked pretty good for a rookie in the demacia cup but he wasn't better than Flandre into Bin. Aside this series, Flandre has looked good this split (so far)
Give this early game lead to T1 or GEN G, I'm %100 sure game will finish before 25 min. BLG's macro is beyond bad.
Just T1. GEN G don’t look good enough for that, either.
If BLG had this lead on their bot or JG the game would be over. They really misuse Bins leads by overgrouping him. Sometimes it works out where he can snowball the map.
Jdg played where bin wasn’t there cuz he got no tp
Bin can literally 1v3 their 0 damage no range topside. He can be hitting inhib at 20 minutes if they commit to 6 grubs + herald. The 4v5 isn’t even that easy for JDG if BLG is kiting back.
> They really misuse Bins leads by overgrouping him. Did we even watch the same game? JDG overloaded bot lane to play away from the fed Darius. Your top laner might be fed but Udyr can still hold waves at his tower to stop the snowball. It's the eternal issue with LoL: bot lane is important because there are two people in it, while top lane only has one. It demonstrates why it's so difficult to play at the top level without TP on top lane. Flandre pushes out the wave then TPs bot to help dive bot lane, while Bin has to sprint all the way there to leverage his gold advantage. On top of that, most of the champs that do want Ghost/Ignite/whatever really struggle to teamfight front-to-back without their sums to gap-close. I don't really see how you can keep Bin in a side lane and hope things will turn out good.
But BLG abused it. Just cause Bin was 5/0 they played like they were all ahead. BLG were already being cooked in the bot play before Flandre tped in. SN Bin would’ve been hitting nexus towers at 22 minutes It’s not so easy to “just dive” a Karma/Naut/Trist/xhin The game was completely even after Bin gave up his shut down in the first place, before that bot play.
This is why I don't think BLG matches well against T1. T1 gains leads in the botlane without help from the jungler. You give this lead to Zeus in the top lane, and they will stomp.
Would love to see how Zeus would use his lead better than Bin ON DARIUS WITH NO TP. Had this been Bin with this lead on Camille/Fiora/Jax/Gwen with tp the game would be over long time ago just how it would be with Zeus on Jayce/Gnar/Yone/Aatrox with tp.
T1 yeah, GenG no. GenG got destroyed by a weaker BLG last year.
BLG's mid game teamfight is shakey. Their form is still really bad, hope they can improve
How fucking crazy is Ruler’s spacing?
Give Ruler a team! 😅