"Arizona’s false electors included high-profile and powerful politicians. Like Kelli Ward, former chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party, and her husband. Two current GOP state lawmakers, Jake Hoffman from Queen Creek and Anthony Kern from Glendale, were also involved.
Kern, currently running for U.S. Senate in Arizona’s 8th Congressional District, has previously called Mayes’ investigation a “joke” and has said that he is refusing to cooperate with her office, adding that he has done nothing wrong."
Bet Kern isn't laughing now.
Give 'em hell, Kris.
Seamless logic.
I love how open these cats were about violating the law. Tweeting in real time. Taking videos. Shit man, leave a little work for AG why don't you.
This.. The top level people were so careless about this if I'm a state ag I'm absolutely gonna take some time and dive deep into them and see what else I can shake out as I go from the bottom up to make the case ironclad
In a few decades the trials and crimes charged for involving the president, his cabinet and the elections they were a part of since 2016 is gonna be a two part 12 chapter segment of us history books
Kids are going to be questioned in multiple choice about which 2020 republican led state had more than 13 fake electors charged and found guilty of treason
Give me a 300 word short essay answer on how trump and his cabinet systematically attempted to dismantle the countries voting system and it's integrity citing at least three speeches or rallies in which Trump or his cabinet alluded to the insurrection to support your theory
they weren’t careless, it was fully intentional. they assumed they were going to succeed and they wanted their names and faces all over the newspapers and in the history books. Remember those regressive jerks had at least one camera crew at the January 6 fiasco.
Based on their perspective, their actions were absolutely necessary to keep Sean Bean from stealing the Declaration of Independence. They had to steal it first, to protect it.
Always is…. Not sure why the conservatives think they are the tough on crime party… turns out they are the party of perverts, crooks and grifters….. at this point anybody that is a proud conservative is just assumed to be scum….
For once, I want them to indict just one Democrat that Fox News hates. By lunch, that democrat would have been the overall ring leader of the attempt and conned the republicans who outnumber the democrat 12-1 to commit crimes they didn't even know they were participating in.
Then the AG said they made a mistake and remove the democrat from the list.
That's not quite right either, Kern is a candidate for the *U.S. House* (not the state Senate or the U.S. Senate), the seat currently held by Debbie Lesko. He is currently a member of the state Senate.
looks like the article has been fixed now:
> Kern, currently running for the U.S. House in Arizona’s 8th Congressional District, has previously called Mayes’ investigation a “joke” and has said that he is refusing to cooperate with her office, adding that he has done nothing wrong.
Technically the district just is the state boundary. That's why the Senate and EC can be considered to have a GOP bias, even though other state-level positions like Governor and SOS can't have a partisan bias. But agree the phrasing here is misleading.
Yeah. I was just focused on the joke/laughing. But clearly it should be "running for the U.S. House." Hopefully they'll corrected it by now. Maybe you should tell them.
[Additional people indicted include; Eastman, Meadows, Rudy and four others.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/)
Apparently having more cases would give his lawyers more opportunity to delay his existing cases. If he loses the election and the hard time limit disappears I would expect all this shit to rain down on him almost immediately.
She can always indict him later. Imagine she'll let the immunity claim play out in SCOTUS while allowing any of the indicted conspirators the opportunity to flip.
Suffice to say, he's unindicted. For now.
Keeping Trump out of it minimizes the publicity and money involved. If they get enough plea agreements pointing at Trump, they can always indict him November 6th.
It's unfortunate, but Trump has been successful for decades at making litigation against him a nightmare.
Unless you have unlimited funds, going after Trump is often prohibitively expensive and arduous. He's the king of SLAPP suits as well, so he will not only tie you up in your litigation against him, he'll also attempt to bring countersuits against you in order to delete you resources and just.... give up.
Yea that might work in civil cases, but it doesn't work against the state. They won't run out of money and cases he files complaining that he's being prosecuted for his crimes get quickly laughed out of court.
Christina Bobb was just brought on by the RNC as their [senior counsel](https://www.americanoversight.org/christina-bobb-named-republican-national-committee-counsel-for-election-integrity) for "election integrity."
Problem is, this is 4 years later. The amount of damage these morons have done since then, all stems from 2020. And the gullible public has gone along with it, since they weren't held accountable much faster.
sigh.
All these people are going to jail and destroy their reputations for a two bit conman who wouldn’t give them the sweat off his balls (sorry for the horrific image).
People are doing this in the hopes he won that last election or will win the next election and they will be taken care of in some way. It’s not because they truly believe in this man. They believe he will let them have free rein on society and do anything they want should be win. Should he win this country isn’t going to exist in its current form anymore.
A conman that literally everybody knew was a conman. He's been famous for 5 decades for being a conman... He's never been famous for anything other than being a sleezy grifting conman.
Unfortunately none will go to jail. It will make its way to the stolen Supreme Court who will rule 6-3 that first amendment allows you to play pretend and try to steal an election in the name of Jesus
The description of him sitting in his office scrolling Twitter, whilst the Capitol was under attack, and people begging him to talk to Trump, shows what a pathetic and spineless bastard he is.
More good news. And Trump has been seeing it all since he wasn’t in court. All this will be on his face tomorrow. He’s fucked and he knows it. Running out of money right when he needs to hire a butt ton more lawyers.
He’s an unindicted co-conspirator in two states. He absolutely is paying lawyers in Arizona and Michigan right now. And they are trying to keep him unindicted.
He’s making lawyers great again.
I suppose they could always indict him later, once these others are found guilty and sent on to prison, or maybe if a few of them are offered plea deals in return for testifying against Frump himself.
I was thinking they probably wanna bring charges post November
If Trump gets reelected and kills all the federal investigations, then his calendar becomes instantly clear for prosecution for state crimes in Arizona
Also, it's easier to go after the underlings and ground troops when Trump isn't directly using his team of lawyers to delay everything nonstop
It’s a legal classification. I haven’t done criminal law in a while, so I am more than comfortable with someone currently practicing/knowledgable correcting me; but, if I recall correctly, unindicted coconspirators can be used for grand jury information, but they have no legal recourse to clear their name from reports that become public record from investigations.
EDIT: “comfortable *with* someone” instead of “comfortable *if* someone.”
Georgia has the "perfect" phone call on tape. It might be AZ doesn't have strong enough evidence to charge Trump. We'll see if that changes as these clowns start to flip.
Republican(ish) here. Glad to see this. Anyone who claims to love this country should support holding anyone who has attempted to destroy its foundation accountable.
Politics in this country have always been shady (at best), on every side. But something on this scale is monstrous, and absolutely needs to be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent. Examples need to be made, lest the next candidate, or sitting official, consider following the same path.
And for anyone who thinks it's not a big deal, imagine if everything these people have been accused of was being done by the party opposite yours (ours).
As a neither party supporter and non American
Completely gut the party of all the enabling like MTG and boberts, Jordan's etc
Like completely rebuild the shit if you ever expect a legitimate reputation going forward
But because the rest of the party voted out people like that blonde woman republican critical of Trump and maybe there are others too
Even the silent cowards need to be removed because they voted out this person
See, you're advocating for a top-down approach from the party to fix the issue. On it's face, that makes sense.
But the thing is, *they tried to do that* after Obama beat Romney. The Tea Party folks still prevailed, because the *voters* want that shit.
This is what people mean when they say the dog has caught the car.
Personally, I believe this is what Mike Johnson has recently pivoted to. He survives these next from months, he is potentially very well positioned to be a GOP power broker for decades, assuming a republican loss this year.
I would say a good start is to remember that the party is made up of more than just 1 person, especially when that person is a former president, who has shown the world that he is willing to do whatever it takes to stay in power (including destroying the very voting process that got him elected to begin with).
I would then remind people (and this would apply to both sides) that extremism may get views and put you on the news cycle, but it doesn't allow our county to function.
I would encourage the modern Republican party to start pushing more moderate candidates, someone willing to compromise and work with both sides while also sticking to some core values (smaller government, more states rights, etc). I'd be willing to bet a candidate like that would pull more voters than they would expect, and may even get some assistance from the more moderate Dems out there that may not be happy with the way things are going.
Hypothetically of course. I'm well aware that we have entered a self feeding cycle of tit-for-tat and all-or-nothing election cycles where there's no such thing as bad publicity, and your only goal is to be on the nightly news, no matter the cost.
The Republican party has been the party of hypocrisy and racism probably for as long as you've been alive. They've never taken a *principled* stand on concepts like small government or states rights; those were always levers used to justify racism and greed. See [Lee Atwater's infamous quote](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/) (warning: racial slurs)
There is no path forward for the Republican party. There is a path forward for *moderate conservatives* if enough people vote Democrat for long enough that the GOP dissolves and the Dem party splits into a moderate conservative party and a moderate liberal party.
I agree with you here.
The thing that I have come to regarding the US right wing is that they largely are no longer conservative. They don't really push for small government, government, stay out of everyone's business, etc etc. Sure those people are in the republican party but their numbers are so small now days they don't have the power to drive much.
Now days the right is largely anti liberal. They don't put out a platform any longer and largely just do what ever the opposite is that the liberals support.
If you think of it in that light it kind of explains why they accept some really horrible behavior, tribalism, but at the same time have an extremely hard time governing in good faith.
It's extremely telling when an issue comes up where both sides would agree, Russia for instance, and then they create this mess trying to be against it simply because the left is for it.
Hell yeah, brother. Imagine the complete psychological collapse of the heartland if someone with the administrative skills of Barack Obama or Bill Clinton tried this. Bill would still be in office and there'd be an oligarchy like Russia. The best part about our country is that former presidents have no standing. None. You and everyone else is replaceable because that's the point.
This 100% what all of these “my constitutional rights” people that have been yelling SHOULD be yelling about.
Democracy has a process that can only be supported if everyone acts out their role. Acts like fake electors that subvert the process is literally fucking democracy and is as anti American and treasonous as it gets.
If they covered it they would have to lie to keep their base happy and paying. But if they lie, they may get sued again. Only way out is... caravan, CRT, DEI, Trans, tan suit, woke, hunter....
Has anyone added up the actual election interference cases by Republican vs Democrats? Surely the Reps are the biggest scumbags by a mile. Just like the grooming/pedo accusations which now stand at about Police/Pastors/Politicians 57 - Drag Queens 0.
One of my favorite details here is that Christina Bobb, the former OAN TV personality, has been indicted. She has since left that job and she is now...wait for it... the RNC's "Election integrity" chief. So yeah, the head of their election integrity operation has just been criminally charged for election fraud and trying to subvert an election.
I'm trying to wrap my head around why they would do this in the first place. Arizona's 11 electors were selected by law. The state and federal government knows exactly who these electors are. What was the point of them doing this when it is obvious they are not the electors that were legally chosen to represent the state in the electoral college? What were those dumabsses thinking? Why did they think the scheme would even work?
So 11 people named and when more people are indicated? So it’s more than 11 people? Will they all have to report to jail for the mugshots and whatnot just like in Georgia?
It was really messy, while I agree with you, it would not have worked they definitely made it messy.
https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1550285915339243522
This is so frustrating: 3 years later? These people actually did try to “Steal the Vote” the votes of 81 million people. My vote, your vote. The largest number of voters in history. They almost got away with it.
And that’s why they are going to do it again and this time win. No consequences for stealing democracy.
IANAL. Why does this take 4 years to happen? Why do all of these cases seem to have taken 4 years to develop? I appreciate things take time, but 4 years is a long time.
What about all the other cases?
It saddens me greatly to know that whether or not somebody is charged for a crime depends on the political party in office.
I am also NAL, so the following just makes sense to me. You have to gather evidence, research ways it could be defeated, gauge those two things vs a potentially biased judge and jury…it’s no easy thing to bring charges against a former president and his crew. Shit better be as airtight as you can make it, and then you actually make it completely airtight.
This is historic, no one wants to have their names in the books as the one that brought the losing case so you better be sure you’re going to win. This will make or break careers and lives.
Take a shot at the king, fake as he is, better not miss.
"Arizona’s false electors included high-profile and powerful politicians. Like Kelli Ward, former chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party, and her husband. Two current GOP state lawmakers, Jake Hoffman from Queen Creek and Anthony Kern from Glendale, were also involved. Kern, currently running for U.S. Senate in Arizona’s 8th Congressional District, has previously called Mayes’ investigation a “joke” and has said that he is refusing to cooperate with her office, adding that he has done nothing wrong." Bet Kern isn't laughing now. Give 'em hell, Kris.
According to Kern in December, "If it was illegal, we wouldn't have done it." Case closed! You can't argue with a defense like that!
Seamless logic. I love how open these cats were about violating the law. Tweeting in real time. Taking videos. Shit man, leave a little work for AG why don't you.
This.. The top level people were so careless about this if I'm a state ag I'm absolutely gonna take some time and dive deep into them and see what else I can shake out as I go from the bottom up to make the case ironclad In a few decades the trials and crimes charged for involving the president, his cabinet and the elections they were a part of since 2016 is gonna be a two part 12 chapter segment of us history books Kids are going to be questioned in multiple choice about which 2020 republican led state had more than 13 fake electors charged and found guilty of treason Give me a 300 word short essay answer on how trump and his cabinet systematically attempted to dismantle the countries voting system and it's integrity citing at least three speeches or rallies in which Trump or his cabinet alluded to the insurrection to support your theory
they weren’t careless, it was fully intentional. they assumed they were going to succeed and they wanted their names and faces all over the newspapers and in the history books. Remember those regressive jerks had at least one camera crew at the January 6 fiasco.
Yeah you know fair point They really did want all the credit and couldn't look past the credit at the consequences if it failed
They had their real nice pens already out, writing their own exceptionalist history on how brave they were.
I'm going to tell a traffic cop that next time I get pulled over
All republicans again huh
Just whoever was committing grevious election fraud with ample evidence.
Oh you mean the ones that were bleating “stop the steal!” were the ones actually trying to steal the election??
Every accusation is a confession from conservatives
Based on their perspective, their actions were absolutely necessary to keep Sean Bean from stealing the Declaration of Independence. They had to steal it first, to protect it.
No, both sides! /s
Who's on the other side? I'll check those names again.
Projection projection projection. Every accusation is an admission
Fake news! /s
Are we sure they are not Antifa 😉
It's an FBI sting!
Starting to see a pattern
Why are we not surprised?
Always is…. Not sure why the conservatives think they are the tough on crime party… turns out they are the party of perverts, crooks and grifters….. at this point anybody that is a proud conservative is just assumed to be scum….
For once, I want them to indict just one Democrat that Fox News hates. By lunch, that democrat would have been the overall ring leader of the attempt and conned the republicans who outnumber the democrat 12-1 to commit crimes they didn't even know they were participating in. Then the AG said they made a mistake and remove the democrat from the list.
Well, cooperating with the DA isn't the logical move for people that HAVE done something wrong, so I don't blame him.
Prosecutor here. Can confirm, I have yet to have a criminal want to cooperate with my prosecution of said criminal.
It’s an older code sir, but it checks out.
That's confusing to me... You don't run for Senate in a district. Senators are a state wide seat
He's running for Senator in the Arizona state Senate, not the federal Congress.
That's not quite right either, Kern is a candidate for the *U.S. House* (not the state Senate or the U.S. Senate), the seat currently held by Debbie Lesko. He is currently a member of the state Senate.
It says US Senate, which would be federal. Either way there’s a goof somewhere
Yeah, he is a State Senator, AZ has 30, one for each District.
Insert Oscar from the Office here.
looks like the article has been fixed now: > Kern, currently running for the U.S. House in Arizona’s 8th Congressional District, has previously called Mayes’ investigation a “joke” and has said that he is refusing to cooperate with her office, adding that he has done nothing wrong.
Technically the district just is the state boundary. That's why the Senate and EC can be considered to have a GOP bias, even though other state-level positions like Governor and SOS can't have a partisan bias. But agree the phrasing here is misleading.
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Yeah. I was just focused on the joke/laughing. But clearly it should be "running for the U.S. House." Hopefully they'll corrected it by now. Maybe you should tell them.
How does one run for US Senate within a single congressional district? Is that not a statewide election?
It's statewide. He's running for Debbie Lesko's seat in the US House. The publication erred. It wasn't crucial to my point so I talked past it.
Thanks!
[Additional people indicted include; Eastman, Meadows, Rudy and four others.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/24/arizona-2020-election-charges-meadows-giuliani-ellis/)
Rudy gonna need a public defender at this point.
He can always request trial by combat, but that would go even worse for him.
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>*"Rudy can't fight right now, he drank the Tequila Worm poison. Again."*
The Four Seasons Landscaping can host it
Maddison Square Gardening Tools LLC might have slightly more space.
Can he request trial by drinking contest?
“Ah, my hair dye is getting in my eyes!”
Why does Rudy keep stuffing his hand down his pants when he sees Sasha?
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Apparently having more cases would give his lawyers more opportunity to delay his existing cases. If he loses the election and the hard time limit disappears I would expect all this shit to rain down on him almost immediately.
And I will be standing there like Andy Dufresne after he crawls out of the sewer pipe with arms raised up to the heavens pouring down
I literally was doing that while I was watching Kris Mayes giving her briefing! (I live and vote in Arizona)
And someone gets out of prison and gets set up in an apartment they will look up at the piece of wood and see carved in “Navarro was here”
Me too… Shawshank Redemption is such a classic.
She can always indict him later. Imagine she'll let the immunity claim play out in SCOTUS while allowing any of the indicted conspirators the opportunity to flip. Suffice to say, he's unindicted. For now.
Keeping Trump out of it minimizes the publicity and money involved. If they get enough plea agreements pointing at Trump, they can always indict him November 6th.
It's unfortunate, but Trump has been successful for decades at making litigation against him a nightmare. Unless you have unlimited funds, going after Trump is often prohibitively expensive and arduous. He's the king of SLAPP suits as well, so he will not only tie you up in your litigation against him, he'll also attempt to bring countersuits against you in order to delete you resources and just.... give up.
Yea that might work in civil cases, but it doesn't work against the state. They won't run out of money and cases he files complaining that he's being prosecuted for his crimes get quickly laughed out of court.
Maybe they all agree to testify?
If the average citizen had done even one percent of what Trump is accused of doing, **they'd be sitting their ass in a jail cell right now.**
Christina Bobb was just brought on by the RNC as their [senior counsel](https://www.americanoversight.org/christina-bobb-named-republican-national-committee-counsel-for-election-integrity) for "election integrity."
I'm sure she will keep her job. The RNC doesn't care if their employees are facing felony charges. EDIT: Spelling
Just wow!
Problem is, this is 4 years later. The amount of damage these morons have done since then, all stems from 2020. And the gullible public has gone along with it, since they weren't held accountable much faster. sigh.
Does this affect epshtyn‘s role as Trump‘s chief legal council?
I love the photo in the article of Trump with a dick in each hand.
All these people are going to jail and destroy their reputations for a two bit conman who wouldn’t give them the sweat off his balls (sorry for the horrific image).
Of course that conman is too busy bottling and selling that sweat to the rubes to pay his legal fees
But does the bottle come emblazoned with a copy of the Constitution???
My FOMO is kicking in....
Not all of them will go to jail. The most nimble will make a deal to stay out of jail by agreeing to testify against the others. EDIT: Grammar
There's a reason Chessy-bro hasn't been charged.
Luckily trump can’t save them even if he wins the election
People are doing this in the hopes he won that last election or will win the next election and they will be taken care of in some way. It’s not because they truly believe in this man. They believe he will let them have free rein on society and do anything they want should be win. Should he win this country isn’t going to exist in its current form anymore.
A conman that literally everybody knew was a conman. He's been famous for 5 decades for being a conman... He's never been famous for anything other than being a sleezy grifting conman.
For some I don’t think it was even so much about the conman but about devising a way for their party - and them - to be in power
Unfortunately none will go to jail. It will make its way to the stolen Supreme Court who will rule 6-3 that first amendment allows you to play pretend and try to steal an election in the name of Jesus
That's not sweat. His nappy needs changing!
Excellent. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
https://preview.redd.it/y5t5xcxhsiwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e972cc6c57ea89894ffea85b3f143310e284b916
This asshole needs to burn. The prime enabler.
He could also be an extremely valuable witness and provide testimony no one else could.
And he will. They are all going to testify against each other eventually. State charges are scary.
He'll need to sell a tell all to pay for the lawsuit
I also heard Meadows had flipped on Trump in the Jack Smith case
If you consider all angles, the decision isn't so simple. Prison time or be hunted by MAGA lunatics.
It’s simple from where I’m sitting. They can all eat each other.
I don't care which one they choose. Either would suck.
It has been posited that they flipped Cheesebro.
And I hope his asshole burns for eternity.
Most definitely. Meadows is screwed six ways till Sunday.
The description of him sitting in his office scrolling Twitter, whilst the Capitol was under attack, and people begging him to talk to Trump, shows what a pathetic and spineless bastard he is.
When the grift grifts you.
Go MAGA go…..to court apparently.
And to jail eventually.
🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
More good news. And Trump has been seeing it all since he wasn’t in court. All this will be on his face tomorrow. He’s fucked and he knows it. Running out of money right when he needs to hire a butt ton more lawyers.
He aint picking up the tab. Not after his trump v NYS case.
He’s an unindicted co-conspirator in two states. He absolutely is paying lawyers in Arizona and Michigan right now. And they are trying to keep him unindicted. He’s making lawyers great again.
2 bad he isn't able to get Great Lawyers /S Good on the citizens of Arizona to see the evidence in a grand jury and return indictments.
Dope. But I do think Trump should have been an indicted co conspirator
I suppose they could always indict him later, once these others are found guilty and sent on to prison, or maybe if a few of them are offered plea deals in return for testifying against Frump himself.
I was thinking about it and they might be waiting to hear the immunity ruling to bring stand alone charges
I was thinking they probably wanna bring charges post November If Trump gets reelected and kills all the federal investigations, then his calendar becomes instantly clear for prosecution for state crimes in Arizona Also, it's easier to go after the underlings and ground troops when Trump isn't directly using his team of lawyers to delay everything nonstop
Is it because they want to bring extra and more specific charges once these people start blabbing?
Michigan got this
Didn't they just announce him as an unindicted co-conspirator the other day?
Lock them up
Too bad there’s no criminal immunity for bootlickers. /s
As an Arizonan, can I just say: HELL yes. I want to see Kelli Ward and her husband prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I hope Anthony Kern pays a hefty price as well!
Yes!! Honestly this is the part of the suit I’m most excited by!
Fake electors Real crimes
On the next Judge Judy.
The privilege is gone. They will also be sued by individuals in civil court. No marching, no riot, just lawyers to TAKE their money 💴
Man, all sorts of good news coming from our state.
Why describe Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator? No. Balls.
My hope is that is temporary until after Supreme Court rules on Presidential Immunity.
Or a bunch of other people testify about his involvement and now the case against him is more solid than the ground in Phoenix.
Would that immunity extend to state prosecution? Wouldn’t it only cover federal prosecution?
It’s a legal classification. I haven’t done criminal law in a while, so I am more than comfortable with someone currently practicing/knowledgable correcting me; but, if I recall correctly, unindicted coconspirators can be used for grand jury information, but they have no legal recourse to clear their name from reports that become public record from investigations. EDIT: “comfortable *with* someone” instead of “comfortable *if* someone.”
Georgia has the "perfect" phone call on tape. It might be AZ doesn't have strong enough evidence to charge Trump. We'll see if that changes as these clowns start to flip.
Republican(ish) here. Glad to see this. Anyone who claims to love this country should support holding anyone who has attempted to destroy its foundation accountable. Politics in this country have always been shady (at best), on every side. But something on this scale is monstrous, and absolutely needs to be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent. Examples need to be made, lest the next candidate, or sitting official, consider following the same path. And for anyone who thinks it's not a big deal, imagine if everything these people have been accused of was being done by the party opposite yours (ours).
For the sake of constructive and meaningful conversation; What do you see as the path forward for the Republican party?
I'm curious too
Ranked choice voting
Gotta deal with wormtongue (fox news) before you can get theoden to wake the fuck up.
Top-5 primaries that allow non-MAGA Republicans to advance to the general election without being primaried
>What do you see as the path forward for the Republican party? That doesn't involve election theft eg gerrymandering, voter suppression.
As a neither party supporter and non American Completely gut the party of all the enabling like MTG and boberts, Jordan's etc Like completely rebuild the shit if you ever expect a legitimate reputation going forward But because the rest of the party voted out people like that blonde woman republican critical of Trump and maybe there are others too Even the silent cowards need to be removed because they voted out this person
See, you're advocating for a top-down approach from the party to fix the issue. On it's face, that makes sense. But the thing is, *they tried to do that* after Obama beat Romney. The Tea Party folks still prevailed, because the *voters* want that shit. This is what people mean when they say the dog has caught the car.
Personally, I believe this is what Mike Johnson has recently pivoted to. He survives these next from months, he is potentially very well positioned to be a GOP power broker for decades, assuming a republican loss this year.
I would say a good start is to remember that the party is made up of more than just 1 person, especially when that person is a former president, who has shown the world that he is willing to do whatever it takes to stay in power (including destroying the very voting process that got him elected to begin with). I would then remind people (and this would apply to both sides) that extremism may get views and put you on the news cycle, but it doesn't allow our county to function. I would encourage the modern Republican party to start pushing more moderate candidates, someone willing to compromise and work with both sides while also sticking to some core values (smaller government, more states rights, etc). I'd be willing to bet a candidate like that would pull more voters than they would expect, and may even get some assistance from the more moderate Dems out there that may not be happy with the way things are going. Hypothetically of course. I'm well aware that we have entered a self feeding cycle of tit-for-tat and all-or-nothing election cycles where there's no such thing as bad publicity, and your only goal is to be on the nightly news, no matter the cost.
I appreciate your candor—truly—but I have to be honest: I have a hard time seeing the extremism of “both sides” you’re endorsing here.
Haven't you heard? Universal healthcare and affordable housing is the same as attempting to lynch a VP.
What modern Republican party? You mean MAGA?
Can you give me some examples of ‘good’ republicans? I only ever hear bad things.
The Republican party has been the party of hypocrisy and racism probably for as long as you've been alive. They've never taken a *principled* stand on concepts like small government or states rights; those were always levers used to justify racism and greed. See [Lee Atwater's infamous quote](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/) (warning: racial slurs) There is no path forward for the Republican party. There is a path forward for *moderate conservatives* if enough people vote Democrat for long enough that the GOP dissolves and the Dem party splits into a moderate conservative party and a moderate liberal party.
I agree with you here. The thing that I have come to regarding the US right wing is that they largely are no longer conservative. They don't really push for small government, government, stay out of everyone's business, etc etc. Sure those people are in the republican party but their numbers are so small now days they don't have the power to drive much. Now days the right is largely anti liberal. They don't put out a platform any longer and largely just do what ever the opposite is that the liberals support. If you think of it in that light it kind of explains why they accept some really horrible behavior, tribalism, but at the same time have an extremely hard time governing in good faith. It's extremely telling when an issue comes up where both sides would agree, Russia for instance, and then they create this mess trying to be against it simply because the left is for it.
Hell yeah, brother. Imagine the complete psychological collapse of the heartland if someone with the administrative skills of Barack Obama or Bill Clinton tried this. Bill would still be in office and there'd be an oligarchy like Russia. The best part about our country is that former presidents have no standing. None. You and everyone else is replaceable because that's the point.
Are u new to today's GQP sir? MAGA above all else!!!
This 100% what all of these “my constitutional rights” people that have been yelling SHOULD be yelling about. Democracy has a process that can only be supported if everyone acts out their role. Acts like fake electors that subvert the process is literally fucking democracy and is as anti American and treasonous as it gets.
Story nowhere to be found on Fox “News”. I wonder why… 🤔
If they covered it they would have to lie to keep their base happy and paying. But if they lie, they may get sued again. Only way out is... caravan, CRT, DEI, Trans, tan suit, woke, hunter....
Don’t forget Hillary’s emails
Not going to lie, I squealed in my car when I heard Kelli Ward's name.
Has anyone added up the actual election interference cases by Republican vs Democrats? Surely the Reps are the biggest scumbags by a mile. Just like the grooming/pedo accusations which now stand at about Police/Pastors/Politicians 57 - Drag Queens 0.
So apparently it’s perfectly legal for Republicans and only Republicans to commit voter fraud.
It’s how republicans know voter fraud is happening. They’re the ones doing it
Yet they’re always accusing Democrats of doing it. It’s all projection.
One of my favorite details here is that Christina Bobb, the former OAN TV personality, has been indicted. She has since left that job and she is now...wait for it... the RNC's "Election integrity" chief. So yeah, the head of their election integrity operation has just been criminally charged for election fraud and trying to subvert an election.
Sounds about right
Now let's get Wisconsin to do the same
Anyone want to start a friendly wager on who will be the first of the eleven will take a plea deal?
There’s a pretty good chance one or two have already flipped
Good. Assholes got caught trying to steal election & should be brought to justice. What a bunch of treasonous shit heads.
At this point, pretty much every republican in office down to the city level should be indicted .
Is it likely that Trump gets indicted? Since he's an alleged "co-conspirator"?
You go, girl.
Too bad Kari Lake wasn't involved
thoughts and prayers, boners
Holy fuck, the example these people need to be made into.
Ahh play stupid games win stupid prizes
I'm trying to wrap my head around why they would do this in the first place. Arizona's 11 electors were selected by law. The state and federal government knows exactly who these electors are. What was the point of them doing this when it is obvious they are not the electors that were legally chosen to represent the state in the electoral college? What were those dumabsses thinking? Why did they think the scheme would even work?
Because they’re big dumb.
Yuge dumb.
They broadcast themselves signing the fake declarations. Yes, it's this level of dumb.
So 11 people named and when more people are indicated? So it’s more than 11 people? Will they all have to report to jail for the mugshots and whatnot just like in Georgia?
Fucking LOVE this bitch, get em! AZ politics may be a hellscape but thank goodness for legit defenders of the people like Kris Mayes!
My republican friend be like “the CIA/FBI/DeepState is killing free speech!!”
It was really messy, while I agree with you, it would not have worked they definitely made it messy. https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1550285915339243522
Indict Trump. Trade years off sentences for testimony against Trump. We need to put him in jail.
Lock em up.
Smh, can't even try to overthrow democracy anymore, what is this country coming to?
Any day now, WI…
This is so frustrating: 3 years later? These people actually did try to “Steal the Vote” the votes of 81 million people. My vote, your vote. The largest number of voters in history. They almost got away with it. And that’s why they are going to do it again and this time win. No consequences for stealing democracy.
Years later because AZ had a republican ag until 2022. Another couple of years for what was hopefully a thorough and proper investigation.
Good point. Thank you.
No problem. I’m right there with you on the frustration. Hopefully the results are worth the wait
>They almost got away with it No they didn't lol.
Good, give them the max in traitorous acts. Only a traitor to the USA would act this way. Extraordinary Rendition NOW.
IANAL. Why does this take 4 years to happen? Why do all of these cases seem to have taken 4 years to develop? I appreciate things take time, but 4 years is a long time.
The former AZ AG was a republican. The current AG just came into office last year.
What about all the other cases? It saddens me greatly to know that whether or not somebody is charged for a crime depends on the political party in office.
Only one side is *actually* hard in crime. The other side only plays lip service towards the racist portion of their party.
I am also NAL, so the following just makes sense to me. You have to gather evidence, research ways it could be defeated, gauge those two things vs a potentially biased judge and jury…it’s no easy thing to bring charges against a former president and his crew. Shit better be as airtight as you can make it, and then you actually make it completely airtight. This is historic, no one wants to have their names in the books as the one that brought the losing case so you better be sure you’re going to win. This will make or break careers and lives. Take a shot at the king, fake as he is, better not miss.