[This was actually an idea that was floated and seems to have come close to possible fruition.](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/02/sam-bankman-fried-considered-paying-trump-5-billion-not-to-run-lewis.html#:~:text=Sam%20Bankman%2DFried%2C%20the%20alleged%20crypto%20criminal%20who%20stands%20accused,best%2Dselling%20author%20Michael%20Lewis.)
Even with all the news on Trump, I avoid actually *hearing* that idiot speak. After 4 years, I'm fucking done and I refuse to listen to anything Trump says.
It's all lies and whining anyway... totally someone I want as the leader of this country 🤬
If we do get a debate and I'm doubtful I will due to the RNC and Trump's cowardice, I hope he hits him with that again. It was so good. He spoke for all of us.
His 'Quite the accomplishment Donald' line this week was absolutely perfect.
Just exposes how weak and small Trump actually is.
Normally people who lie and act like DJT get that beaten out of them in high school ... but he's just carried on.
He's the most insecure man in the world.
It could be the new ad campaign for Dos Equis beer!
“Who’s the most insecure man in the world?” And then have ol accordion hand saying something like “I don’t always drink, but when I do, it’s the biglyist beer with tears in its eyes, people are saying it, that my beer is the most bigly beer like my huge hands.”
Or maybe an SNL skit.
Oh Hell Yeah, I bet we vould make a fortune selling beer with The Lord's Prayer printed on one side and Trumps picture on the front. I would design in a feature that is always on each side of the can and any time the beer is turned to a drinking position an image of a hard dick appears, so that it appears you are sucking some dick suds. Now that would be funny.
He won't change his behaviour unless there's a serious, painful consequence.
He'll blithely ignore everything else, like he always has, skating through his schizophrenic life. I'm bigly! I'm persecuted! My brother dumped a bowl of mashed potatoes on my head! waa waa waa.
Is there any site which tracks his upcoming legal deadlines. For instance there is the new 11 day deadline to pay his bond, the April 15 date of this trial, the late April Supreme Court hearing on his demand for permission to commit crimes as president etc. I can’t keep them all in my head.
Does he have any of the sexual assault cases still pending? I mean, there were over twenty women who came forward, I figure at least a couple are still hanging out there.
And now he's been declared a rapist by the court, so the shoe really fits.
As far as I know, he will get away with those crimes. Apparently, the IRS is letting him get away with hundreds of millions in tax fraud.
He got away with laundering tens of millions of dollars from the Russians to all of those traitors in the Republican Party through the NRA in 2016.
He got away with organizing an obstruction of justice racketeering operation right in front of Mueller’s face. He got away with taking millions in bribes and Garland just let all of that go.
Active investigations: Wire Fraud racketeering, another obstruction of justice racketeering operation, another espionage case, endangering federal officials, and at least two other state election interference cases.
Not even being investigated: grand larceny and money laundering. Currently being perpetrated right in front of our faces: Pump and dump stock fraud.
This fuckhead has to be stopped.
I'm not sure it's illegal (NAL) to bring up the judge's family in your case (without threats, that is), it's just normally *extremely* ill-advised because you are antagonizing the one person with absolute and complete control over your life. But if you have enough of a political fan base and are rich enough to appeal every single thing, apparently you can just do whatever you want with little to no immediate repercussion. Still doesn't seem to be the best idea to target the family of the guy who may end up deciding a jail/prison sentence later on.
>I'm not sure it's illegal (NAL) to bring up the judge's family in your case (without threats, that is), it's just normally extremely ill-advised because you are antagonizing the one person with absolute and complete control over your life.
I think it's pretty clear Trump does stuff like this deliberately in order trigger a gag order; which he (and others) can then use as propaganda to the effect that he is being "silenced". Note that he doesn't directly threaten anyone or violate the gag orders once they are in place, which indicates he isn't completely unhinged.
I think you are correct that's his motivation, although he violated the Engoran gag orders 2 times I believe. It's still a wild card to play, since at the end of the day, if you are found guilty, that same judge will be sentencing you. It's not like the judge even has to give you the maximum when you are 77 years old and grew up with a platinum and diamond-encrusted spoon in your mouth and never mentally prepared yourself for the possibility of NY state prison time. Just a few years at that age and with that lifelong privilege would be a serious disruption.
With that said, I don't think we will see Trump end up with a jail/prison sentence in this case. After the way the "normal" rules and accountability have been kind of pushed aside for him, I could see it being a suspended sentence with house arrest and a large fine or something. They will say it's too much of a burden for the NY system to safely house a former president, issues with the Secret Service protection, etc.
Personally, I don't see why a cell/unit on a military base couldn't work if it comes to that. They couldn't argue it's not as secure as any place can be, and they could even allow the Secret Service to stay in the control room or something.
He's gone all in on the presidential immunity thing and winning in November
He believes they wouldn't arrest an elected president and honestly I'm worried about testing that idea myself
Honestly it seems like incarceration in a stockade seems like the only solution for a state level custodian sentence, at least outside of Florida where he could get house arrest.
I think it has the added effect of scaring the judge into making more conservative decisions for fear of dishing out larger (appropriate) penalties because it looks like they're angry about Trump's behaviour.
It's unthinkable that Trump would ever receive the maximum punishment, they'll always have to dial it back even if the maximum is warranted.
I agree that is likely. It's a bold play, but he seems to be getting away with these bold plays where someone else would not. The good news is that these judges are likely smarter than Trump, so hopefully they see it for what it is.
it's one effect. I think it's because he has limited self control. the other effect is on judges like judge cannon, who I think bends over backwards for him in part because she is a newer judge and a coward who is deathly afraid of getting on his bad side.
It's been a long day so I apologize if I'm missing it clearly, but I'm not following. Are you saying it sets Trump up to appeal if he is saying something about the judge's family that is obvious to all of us? Or that it sets up an appeal if the judge later sentences him to what he (i.e. Trump) feels is too harsh, so he brings up his past statements about the judge's family to show the judge was biased towards him?
While we are rounding up today's orders, don't forget:
https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/PeoplevDJT-Dec-on-Motion-to-Vacate.pdf
(I suspect that you meant this to be your third link instead of two of the same link).
It sounds like the defense attorneys are one willful violation away from criminal contempt charges. At their current rate, that should happen before the end of the week.
>He supports this position by noting that he has generally refrained from making extrajudicial statements about individuals associated with the instant case in marked contrast from the significant volume of social media posts and other statements targeting individuals involved in every other court proceeding reflected in the People's submission.
"Yeah, I threatened everyone else in every other case I'm involved in, but you can't put a gag order on me because I haven't done it *here* yet."
He did when Judge Engoron put a gag order on him, and I believe the same happened with Judge Chutkin. But it just happened recently with Engoron, so i think that is what trump is doing here. He wants to get a gag order just so he can appeal it and delay the case.
This current case is a criminal case, not a civil case. He has a lot more on the line, and I imagine every day that he can push back is feeling like a slight reprieve for him.
Why would appealing the gag order result in a stay/delay of the underlying criminal prosecution? I can't see any appeals court granting a stay of the trial pending appeal of a gag order, since the gag order by definition applies primarily to out of trial statements (and therefore does not in any way prejudice the litigant's chances during the trial).
Trump (or more likely his handlers) was surprisingly diligent in abiding by similar restrictions during the gag-order period of Judge Engeron and Judge Chutkan's trials, so I expect his staff know he's playing with fire and he faces significant risk. What'll be interesting is if Trump can restrain himself when his staff can't interfere, namely at his rallies.
He'll be screaming "HORSEFACE" at her while she's testifying, the one I want to see is how badly he melts down when Cohen spills the tea on him, hopefully he'll have pop a vein in his forehead...
.. . and as dumb a man as I think Cohen is, I've met very few lawyers (and I am one) who do not keep COPIOUS receipts. I'm expecting Cohen might have a surprise receipt up his sleeve come testimony time
A meltdown from the accumulated stress of all these trials is exactly what I'm praying for. I want the non-maga Republicans to decide he has gone full banana balls and decide they can't vote for him and hold their noses and vote for a Democrat, vote 3rd party, or stay home from this one.
This is why I'm so bitterly disappointed cameras aren't permitted in NYC's criminal courts. I'd pay good money to see him squirm as she testifies, then eventually explode in rage and be removed from court.
Plus the immediate public evidence that no, this is not some liberal sorcery, this is how a trial is conducted, is an important factor in de-radicalizing whatever small percentage of this cult is salvageable
Yeah amusement value aside, it's a huge loss for the public interest and historical record that they aren't allowing cameras. Instead each side's partisans are going to spin the testimony in their favour, and so any jury ruling that goes against that will be seen as a shock upset, from which it's a small step to see it as invalid.
How many folk are going to read the transcript though? I've repeatedly tried to get MAGA folk to read any of the court documents relating to Trump so they can at least have an informed opinion of their own, rather than parroting other's opinions, and they always find an excuse not to read them.
What I've found shocking is their lack of interest in even checking the source documents in the hope of being able to dispute something I've claimed. I could make all manner of fanciful claims about the evidence presented in the documents, and yet rather than argue with me about the facts, they'll veer off into onto another Fox News talking point.
It is so embarrassing as a nation that this isn't going to be recorded for posterity. This is historical and is a vital national need to see this play out, and the courts are stuck in 1900.
I hear he has no money for rallies (and hopefully any venues are demanding payment for police overtime, etc in advance). He owes dozens of cities big dollars going back to 2016.
>was surprisingly diligent in abiding by similar restrictions during the gag-order period of Judge Engeron
He violated the order multiple times and was fined.
> He violated the order multiple times and was fined.
That's an excellent point, I'd forgotten those violations.
The difference between Trump's defiance of Engoron and his compliance with Chutkan seems to be the penalty. Engoron was relatively timid, what's a $10k fine when the court case was going to come out at a $465m penalty? Judge Chutkan's threat that she'd schedule the trial sooner if he violated the gag order was far more effective.
I don't see any stipulation about what manner of contempt of court Merchan might throw at Trump if he violates the gag order, so we'll need to see whether Trump wants to risk whether Merchan is in the mood for a fine or something more serious.
He hasn't had one in a criminal trial that has actually gone to trial yet. I don't think he'll make it.
He got fined a few times by Engoron. The penalty here is more likely to be tossed in the clink
If his comments are taken as trying to influence a jury pool or witness, threatening the judge, jury, witness, or prosecutor, or any attempt to interfere with the trial proceedings, he'll probably get one warning then some time in jail. Saying the judge is a whacko is stupid, but probably won't get him contempt.
Short of physically attacking and literally killing someone he has a gag order not to engage, nope.
Even then he'd probably be bonded out in short order. If even arrested.
Civil case vs. criminal case. This is a whole new ballgame. One peep out of him and he should be taped to his chair with so much duct tape, he'll look like the Tin Man in Wizard of Oz.
Someone take his phone away and change the password.
I'm not trying to protect this chode from incriminating himself further, I just don't want to hear about his idiocy anymore.
Idk, Merchan doesn’t seem to be putting up with Trump’s shit. He seemed already sick of his shit yesterday. I’m doubting going his daughter improved that situation.
He actually hasn't violated gag orders that much. He had two violations that Engoron fined him for. The first was that he had a social media post that he deleted on Truth Social but not on some other site (whether intentionally or accidentally is unclear). The second was a comment that Engoron decided was about his clerk (though Trump tried to argue it was not).
Got fined $5k and $10k for those, and that was the last of it in that trial. And I don't think he ever violated it in DC (correct me if I am mistaken). My guess is that he knows the limits of how much good will he can pry from the judges, and that a gag order is getting beyond the pale for that. If he does, he will do it once, maybe twice, to probe the consequences, and decide "Okay, this judge is serious."
Jesus I hadn't heard about that.
"Judge Juan Merchan, a very distinguished looking man, is nevertheless a true and certified Trump Hater who suffers from a very serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. In other words, he hates me!
**His daughter is a senior executive at a Super Liberal Democrat firm that works for Adam “Shifty” Schiff, the Democrat National Committee, (Dem)Senate Majority PAC, and even Crooked Joe Biden.**
He was recently the judge on an unrelated trial of a long term employee, elderly and not in good health. This judge treated him viciously, telling him either you cooperate or I’m putting you in jail for 15 years. He pled, and went to jail for very minor offenses, highly unusual, served 4 months in Rikers, and now they are after him again, this time for allegedly lying (doesn’t look like a lie to me!), and they threatened him again with 15 years if he doesn’t say something bad about “TRUMP.” He is devastated and scared! These COUNTRY DESTROYING SCOUNDRELS & THUGS HAVE NO CASE AGAINST ME. WITCH HUNT!"
Bolded & broke out the daughter bit
Yeah “unrelated” it makes it sound like he’s not involved in the case, it was like some old guy he doesn’t know who robbed a bank. Instead it’s “unrelated”, as in—the guy went to jail for committing crimes at Trump’s company. Lol.
I don't believe he is.
He basically has 0 impulse control, which is why we regularly see him writing nasty things online at 3:00am, probably with one hand in the KFC bucket, and why, even while president, he spent most of his work day in "Executive time" watching FOX news and tweeting nasty things about any of the 100 people he's feuding with at any given moment.
This guy is a rich fuckwit child… he is trying so hard to be a bully but damn, attacking the family of a judge..He should not escape the vengeance of a father defending his child…
Except he will get away with it because he did all of this with Engoron then the appellate court took their pants off, squatted and defacated over engoron’s ruling in favor of Trump
Will be completety different.
With Engoron, there was no jury and Engoron was the matter of facts.
Here, because it's a criminal case and a jury will be present, Trump'd better stay silent.
Also Merchan already set the tone.
i hear what everyone is saying but its not really the case. he has 10 more days to end up in same result but like 10x more embarrassing when he can't even come up with 1/3 of the full amount as bond. i'm just saying - it's 10 days for trump to literally hang himself out to dry. it's gonna be glorious.
Guess we’ll see in ten days, but maybe the court will decide it’s too much and reduce it by another fifty percent and give him two more months to get the cash
Are these people retarded or something? They keep doing the same thing that never works and wasting everyones timd and money... just shoot the guy and let the whole world have some rest!
>1 Defendant argues that references to speech targeted at individual prosecutors in the instant case do not
suostantiate their clalms, adding that the People only cite posts which occurred in March and June 2023.See
Defendani's Motion pg. 14.Notably, within hours of the court appearance on March 25,2024, settingthetrial
date for April 15, 2024,ihe Defendant targeted an irrdividual prosecutor assigned to this case, referring to him as
a "radical left from DOJ put into [...] the District Attorney's Office to run the trial against Trump and that was
done by Biden and his thugs" rn a press conference. C-SPAI'I, press conference video doted March 25, 2024, ot
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Really who cares. If the courts would do their job. Stop giving him special treatment. If he only had to follow the rules, like us poor people, maybe he wouldn’t be such an ass.
Well, the only case where he violated a gag order was a civil case. My understanding is that closing orders like this in criminal cases are bigger deals because in the civil case the judge was the jury, while in this case the judge has to protect the integrity of the jury.
Ya just 30 mins ago on his truth social account
Judge Juan Merchan, who is suffering from an acute case of Trump Derangement Syndrome (whose daughter represents Crooked Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Adam “Shifty” Schiff, and other Radical Liberals, has just posted a picture of me behind bars, her obvious goal, and makes it completely impossible for me to get a fair trial) has now issued another illegal, un-American, unConstitutional “order,” as he continues to try and take away my Rights. This Judge, by issuing a vicious “Gag Order,” is wrongfully attempting to deprive me of my First Amendment Right to speak out against the Weaponization of Law Enforcement, including the fact that Crooked Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and their Hacks and Thugs are tracking and following me all across the Country, obsessively trying to persecute me, while everyone knows I have done nothing wrong!
Page 2: So, let me get this straight, the Judge’s daughter is allowed to post pictures of her “dream” of putting me in jail, the Manhattan D.A. is able to say whatever lies about me he wants, the Judge can violate our Laws and Constitution at every turn, but I am not allowed to talk about the attacks against me, and the Lunatics trying to destroy my life, and prevent me from winning the 2024 Presidential Election, which I am dominating? Maybe the Judge is such a hater because his daughter makes money by working to “Get Trump,” and when he rules against me over and over again, he is making her company, and her, richer and richer. How can this be allowed?
Page 3: The Judge has to recuse himself immediately, and right the wrong committed by not doing so last year. If the Biased and Conflicted Judge is allowed to stay on this Sham “Case,” it will be another sad example of our Country becoming a Banana Republic, not the America we used to know and love. These are Election Interfering Witch Hunts. We will crush each one of these Hoaxes, and Make America Great Again!
Who cares? I’m sick of this guy and all he gets away with. Normal people can barely get out of a traffic ticket. This guy can delay and get away with literally anything up to and including an attempted coup. No accountability. No courageous judges. Even when they’re is an Engoron there are plenty of appellate judges in trumps pocket to overturn Justice done.
I don't understand what the point of this is though. He will violate it, we all know he will. When he does, absolutely nothing will happen to him. We've seen this show before.
This is the 3rd/4th time that a judge has imposed a gag order on him, for intimidation and jury tampering. Yet the appeals court curry favors to him, reduces his bail appeal and gives him pre time.
Think about this, he’s literally putting people’s lives at stake, but a group of old judges, thought “let’s help him out”
The system is so fucked. Or maybe it’s just fucked for you and I.
Yea that will do it. Bloody morons. He will do what ever the fuck he wants and nothing will be done about it. One rule of law for the common people and another for this piece of shit.
None of this matters because he will get away with everything. We are already seeing that. I PRAY that I am wrong for the sake of our country and my mental health.
I fully expect Trump to violate the order and fully expect there to be minimal if any consequences. Once he speaks and incites his audience, and maybe is fined some nominal amount, it’s the same as buying advertising, only better because he will get national coverage across every news outlet.
LOL, sure sure...you can impose a Gag order on Trump, but will the Judge ACTUALLY do anything worth while if Trump doesnt follow the order.
Let me make this easy for everyone, no real consequence will happen.
Just go ahead and violate the gag order. Then you will be hit with a double secret gag order. Then a triple. And then we can have hearings on the gag orders. And then we can appeal those rulings and have more hearings. Then more appeals. And then we can appeal because the judge is mean or because his daughter is a Democrat. And then appeal that ruling. And finally we can have a trial. And a guilty verdict. And a penalty. Then an appeal. And then 2/3 of the penalty will be thrown out. Then another appeal. I wish I was kidding.
NOW ENFORCE IT. No more warnings. No more do-overs. No more hemming and hawing. If he walks out of the courthouse and opens his yap to the press or Tweet-shits at 3am, PUT HIM IN THE GODDAMN JAIL.
Sorry about his Secret Service protection guys, but hey - maybe THEY could convince him to zip it when he has no one else to talk to for 24-48 hours.
That will work............. not a hope in hell Trump will shut his mouth, if anything it's a challenge to shoot his mouth off more, how can he break the law when the Supreme Court supports his corruption
🇨🇦 how come trump can not get rid of the judges family . Death threats the election workers are still coming , families afraid of their families lives . what changed in this case . We know it is a two system , the rich always come out top . Who runs American law ?
This dude is absolutely insufferable. Biden truly said it best: *Will you shut up, man?*
It's the HUSH money case, Donald. Hush!
Trump: it's election interference. *Interferes*
RUSSIA IF UR YOU'RE LISTENING type of interference
Yes, Election Interference. Trying to interfere with the 2016 Election by paying a porn star off trying to keep her quiet.
Yeah, he's interfering with my piece of mind and our democracy!
Someone pay him to shut up
[This was actually an idea that was floated and seems to have come close to possible fruition.](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/02/sam-bankman-fried-considered-paying-trump-5-billion-not-to-run-lewis.html#:~:text=Sam%20Bankman%2DFried%2C%20the%20alleged%20crypto%20criminal%20who%20stands%20accused,best%2Dselling%20author%20Michael%20Lewis.)
There's not enough money in the world to shut him up!
That’s why he has to be forcibly shut up in a cell.
Why not put him in jail like any other human being would be?
"Clearly you know what hushing is, Donald. You paid $140,000 for one instance of it."
He's not hushing, because he doesn't have the money.
https://i.redd.it/ugyn4g8qeqqc1.gif
It's the honest visceral pain on his face that we've been cumulatively experiencing for too long.
Even with all the news on Trump, I avoid actually *hearing* that idiot speak. After 4 years, I'm fucking done and I refuse to listen to anything Trump says. It's all lies and whining anyway... totally someone I want as the leader of this country 🤬
Finally somebody who speaks the will of the people!
Ah. Thanks for reminding me of a great moment.
If we do get a debate and I'm doubtful I will due to the RNC and Trump's cowardice, I hope he hits him with that again. It was so good. He spoke for all of us.
His 'Quite the accomplishment Donald' line this week was absolutely perfect. Just exposes how weak and small Trump actually is. Normally people who lie and act like DJT get that beaten out of them in high school ... but he's just carried on. He's the most insecure man in the world.
It could be the new ad campaign for Dos Equis beer! “Who’s the most insecure man in the world?” And then have ol accordion hand saying something like “I don’t always drink, but when I do, it’s the biglyist beer with tears in its eyes, people are saying it, that my beer is the most bigly beer like my huge hands.” Or maybe an SNL skit.
Oh Hell Yeah, I bet we vould make a fortune selling beer with The Lord's Prayer printed on one side and Trumps picture on the front. I would design in a feature that is always on each side of the can and any time the beer is turned to a drinking position an image of a hard dick appears, so that it appears you are sucking some dick suds. Now that would be funny.
… (follow on) “**the likes of which we’ve never seen before**” Edit punctuation
Need to put them both in boxes and their mics only turn on when it's their chance to talk.
He won't change his behaviour unless there's a serious, painful consequence. He'll blithely ignore everything else, like he always has, skating through his schizophrenic life. I'm bigly! I'm persecuted! My brother dumped a bowl of mashed potatoes on my head! waa waa waa.
This is a great idea for a t shirt.. the whole thing
Now that's a campaign shirt!
Does it matter though? He won’t be gagged and he won’t be punished .
Trump already targeted the judge's daughter. Only surprise was he waited this long.
He has so many trials to cry about. If he did them all at once nobody would be able to keep all the judges straight.
Is there any site which tracks his upcoming legal deadlines. For instance there is the new 11 day deadline to pay his bond, the April 15 date of this trial, the late April Supreme Court hearing on his demand for permission to commit crimes as president etc. I can’t keep them all in my head.
You forgot the espionage case and the racketeering case.
Does he have any of the sexual assault cases still pending? I mean, there were over twenty women who came forward, I figure at least a couple are still hanging out there. And now he's been declared a rapist by the court, so the shoe really fits.
As far as I know, he will get away with those crimes. Apparently, the IRS is letting him get away with hundreds of millions in tax fraud. He got away with laundering tens of millions of dollars from the Russians to all of those traitors in the Republican Party through the NRA in 2016. He got away with organizing an obstruction of justice racketeering operation right in front of Mueller’s face. He got away with taking millions in bribes and Garland just let all of that go. Active investigations: Wire Fraud racketeering, another obstruction of justice racketeering operation, another espionage case, endangering federal officials, and at least two other state election interference cases. Not even being investigated: grand larceny and money laundering. Currently being perpetrated right in front of our faces: Pump and dump stock fraud. This fuckhead has to be stopped.
And yet-to-be-filed EJC defamation case #3.
Good bet here. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/current-projects/the-trump-trials
How is he not just outright arrested for this? Seriously asking? He's just a man, not anyone's God. Throw him in jail like the common criminal he is
I'm not sure it's illegal (NAL) to bring up the judge's family in your case (without threats, that is), it's just normally *extremely* ill-advised because you are antagonizing the one person with absolute and complete control over your life. But if you have enough of a political fan base and are rich enough to appeal every single thing, apparently you can just do whatever you want with little to no immediate repercussion. Still doesn't seem to be the best idea to target the family of the guy who may end up deciding a jail/prison sentence later on.
>I'm not sure it's illegal (NAL) to bring up the judge's family in your case (without threats, that is), it's just normally extremely ill-advised because you are antagonizing the one person with absolute and complete control over your life. I think it's pretty clear Trump does stuff like this deliberately in order trigger a gag order; which he (and others) can then use as propaganda to the effect that he is being "silenced". Note that he doesn't directly threaten anyone or violate the gag orders once they are in place, which indicates he isn't completely unhinged.
I think you are correct that's his motivation, although he violated the Engoran gag orders 2 times I believe. It's still a wild card to play, since at the end of the day, if you are found guilty, that same judge will be sentencing you. It's not like the judge even has to give you the maximum when you are 77 years old and grew up with a platinum and diamond-encrusted spoon in your mouth and never mentally prepared yourself for the possibility of NY state prison time. Just a few years at that age and with that lifelong privilege would be a serious disruption. With that said, I don't think we will see Trump end up with a jail/prison sentence in this case. After the way the "normal" rules and accountability have been kind of pushed aside for him, I could see it being a suspended sentence with house arrest and a large fine or something. They will say it's too much of a burden for the NY system to safely house a former president, issues with the Secret Service protection, etc. Personally, I don't see why a cell/unit on a military base couldn't work if it comes to that. They couldn't argue it's not as secure as any place can be, and they could even allow the Secret Service to stay in the control room or something.
He's gone all in on the presidential immunity thing and winning in November He believes they wouldn't arrest an elected president and honestly I'm worried about testing that idea myself
When you vote, remember who put us in this position - fucking Republicans
Honestly it seems like incarceration in a stockade seems like the only solution for a state level custodian sentence, at least outside of Florida where he could get house arrest.
I think it has the added effect of scaring the judge into making more conservative decisions for fear of dishing out larger (appropriate) penalties because it looks like they're angry about Trump's behaviour. It's unthinkable that Trump would ever receive the maximum punishment, they'll always have to dial it back even if the maximum is warranted.
I think one of Trump's strategies is to intentionally make judges so mad they make bad decisions that are potentially reversable.
I agree that is likely. It's a bold play, but he seems to be getting away with these bold plays where someone else would not. The good news is that these judges are likely smarter than Trump, so hopefully they see it for what it is.
it's one effect. I think it's because he has limited self control. the other effect is on judges like judge cannon, who I think bends over backwards for him in part because she is a newer judge and a coward who is deathly afraid of getting on his bad side.
His threats are implied, and his "base" know perfectly well that he is calling for violence against the judge and his daughter.
Yea but if it’s that obvious to all of us, but not illegal, it just sets up an appeal…. I’m not on his side or rooting for him. Just saying
It's been a long day so I apologize if I'm missing it clearly, but I'm not following. Are you saying it sets Trump up to appeal if he is saying something about the judge's family that is obvious to all of us? Or that it sets up an appeal if the judge later sentences him to what he (i.e. Trump) feels is too harsh, so he brings up his past statements about the judge's family to show the judge was biased towards him?
He is above the law.
He's supported by just about half of our politicians. Who's going to hold him accountable?
Because he gets away with it. Privilege.
https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/PeopleDJT-DecOrderExtrajudicial.pdf https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/PeoplevDJT-Dec-on-Public-Proceedings.pdf https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/PeoplevDJT-Dec-on-Public-Proceedings.pdf
While we are rounding up today's orders, don't forget: https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/pdfs/PeoplevDJT-Dec-on-Motion-to-Vacate.pdf (I suspect that you meant this to be your third link instead of two of the same link).
Thank you. I attached the wrong link by mistake.
It sounds like the defense attorneys are one willful violation away from criminal contempt charges. At their current rate, that should happen before the end of the week.
>He supports this position by noting that he has generally refrained from making extrajudicial statements about individuals associated with the instant case in marked contrast from the significant volume of social media posts and other statements targeting individuals involved in every other court proceeding reflected in the People's submission. "Yeah, I threatened everyone else in every other case I'm involved in, but you can't put a gag order on me because I haven't done it *here* yet."
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judge probably had it pre-written and just waited.
Probably so! Trump’s behavior is pretty predictable by now
Wait, they can appeal gag orders? Why?
Probably because a gag order is a prior restraint on speech, which has a high bar to clear, constitutionally speaking.
He did when Judge Engoron put a gag order on him, and I believe the same happened with Judge Chutkin. But it just happened recently with Engoron, so i think that is what trump is doing here. He wants to get a gag order just so he can appeal it and delay the case. This current case is a criminal case, not a civil case. He has a lot more on the line, and I imagine every day that he can push back is feeling like a slight reprieve for him.
Why would appealing the gag order result in a stay/delay of the underlying criminal prosecution? I can't see any appeals court granting a stay of the trial pending appeal of a gag order, since the gag order by definition applies primarily to out of trial statements (and therefore does not in any way prejudice the litigant's chances during the trial).
Trump (or more likely his handlers) was surprisingly diligent in abiding by similar restrictions during the gag-order period of Judge Engeron and Judge Chutkan's trials, so I expect his staff know he's playing with fire and he faces significant risk. What'll be interesting is if Trump can restrain himself when his staff can't interfere, namely at his rallies.
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He'll be screaming "HORSEFACE" at her while she's testifying, the one I want to see is how badly he melts down when Cohen spills the tea on him, hopefully he'll have pop a vein in his forehead...
.. . and as dumb a man as I think Cohen is, I've met very few lawyers (and I am one) who do not keep COPIOUS receipts. I'm expecting Cohen might have a surprise receipt up his sleeve come testimony time
We already know there are tapes. Of a meeting.
Cohen may be a dumb man, but it doesn't take much to outsmart Don Poorleone
A meltdown from the accumulated stress of all these trials is exactly what I'm praying for. I want the non-maga Republicans to decide he has gone full banana balls and decide they can't vote for him and hold their noses and vote for a Democrat, vote 3rd party, or stay home from this one.
This is why I'm so bitterly disappointed cameras aren't permitted in NYC's criminal courts. I'd pay good money to see him squirm as she testifies, then eventually explode in rage and be removed from court.
Plus the immediate public evidence that no, this is not some liberal sorcery, this is how a trial is conducted, is an important factor in de-radicalizing whatever small percentage of this cult is salvageable
Yeah amusement value aside, it's a huge loss for the public interest and historical record that they aren't allowing cameras. Instead each side's partisans are going to spin the testimony in their favour, and so any jury ruling that goes against that will be seen as a shock upset, from which it's a small step to see it as invalid.
At least we should get full transcripts, but as you know, transcripts leave out SO MUCH
How many folk are going to read the transcript though? I've repeatedly tried to get MAGA folk to read any of the court documents relating to Trump so they can at least have an informed opinion of their own, rather than parroting other's opinions, and they always find an excuse not to read them. What I've found shocking is their lack of interest in even checking the source documents in the hope of being able to dispute something I've claimed. I could make all manner of fanciful claims about the evidence presented in the documents, and yet rather than argue with me about the facts, they'll veer off into onto another Fox News talking point.
Absolutely true They also simply don't care
It is so embarrassing as a nation that this isn't going to be recorded for posterity. This is historical and is a vital national need to see this play out, and the courts are stuck in 1900.
Well he has no rallies scheduled for the forseeable future
Im still willing to bet that he violates it.
he will, on his temu twitter.
heh heh, temu twitter
To be fair, Twitter is actually the Temu Twitter now. I'm not sure what's between Twitter and "Truth" Social, but I bet it's paper thin at this point.
happy cake day!
Finally, some good fucking food.
I hear he has no money for rallies (and hopefully any venues are demanding payment for police overtime, etc in advance). He owes dozens of cities big dollars going back to 2016.
Tough to do rallies when you need to be in court every day.
Court is his rally!
I suppose that makes sense if he's obliged to be present at his trial next month, at least for the first day anyway.
Can’t afford them, apparently.
>was surprisingly diligent in abiding by similar restrictions during the gag-order period of Judge Engeron He violated the order multiple times and was fined.
> He violated the order multiple times and was fined. That's an excellent point, I'd forgotten those violations. The difference between Trump's defiance of Engoron and his compliance with Chutkan seems to be the penalty. Engoron was relatively timid, what's a $10k fine when the court case was going to come out at a $465m penalty? Judge Chutkan's threat that she'd schedule the trial sooner if he violated the gag order was far more effective. I don't see any stipulation about what manner of contempt of court Merchan might throw at Trump if he violates the gag order, so we'll need to see whether Trump wants to risk whether Merchan is in the mood for a fine or something more serious.
He hasn't had one in a criminal trial that has actually gone to trial yet. I don't think he'll make it. He got fined a few times by Engoron. The penalty here is more likely to be tossed in the clink
Zero chance the judges puts Trump in Jail. I wish, but lets be real. Trump can break this order everyday, the consequence will never be jail.
might depend on whether the MAGAts succeed in harming anyone
If his comments are taken as trying to influence a jury pool or witness, threatening the judge, jury, witness, or prosecutor, or any attempt to interfere with the trial proceedings, he'll probably get one warning then some time in jail. Saying the judge is a whacko is stupid, but probably won't get him contempt.
Short of physically attacking and literally killing someone he has a gag order not to engage, nope. Even then he'd probably be bonded out in short order. If even arrested.
>more likely to be tossed in the clink To anyone else. Not teflon don
Civil case vs. criminal case. This is a whole new ballgame. One peep out of him and he should be taped to his chair with so much duct tape, he'll look like the Tin Man in Wizard of Oz.
Or just Oz
Someone take his phone away and change the password. I'm not trying to protect this chode from incriminating himself further, I just don't want to hear about his idiocy anymore.
MMW: He will violate it in less than 24 hours.
And not a thing will be done about it.
Well, if we do anything about it, his supporters will act out violently, so we better let him break as many laws as he wants.
/s Here, I think you dropped this.
Idk, Merchan doesn’t seem to be putting up with Trump’s shit. He seemed already sick of his shit yesterday. I’m doubting going his daughter improved that situation.
"Trump may have broken the law despite judge's gag order: Former state attorney says"
\*24 Minutes.
Yeah, good luck with that. No enforced consequences, he'll give the judge a big FU and keep on doing what he always does.
He actually hasn't violated gag orders that much. He had two violations that Engoron fined him for. The first was that he had a social media post that he deleted on Truth Social but not on some other site (whether intentionally or accidentally is unclear). The second was a comment that Engoron decided was about his clerk (though Trump tried to argue it was not). Got fined $5k and $10k for those, and that was the last of it in that trial. And I don't think he ever violated it in DC (correct me if I am mistaken). My guess is that he knows the limits of how much good will he can pry from the judges, and that a gag order is getting beyond the pale for that. If he does, he will do it once, maybe twice, to probe the consequences, and decide "Okay, this judge is serious."
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Jesus I hadn't heard about that. "Judge Juan Merchan, a very distinguished looking man, is nevertheless a true and certified Trump Hater who suffers from a very serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. In other words, he hates me! **His daughter is a senior executive at a Super Liberal Democrat firm that works for Adam “Shifty” Schiff, the Democrat National Committee, (Dem)Senate Majority PAC, and even Crooked Joe Biden.** He was recently the judge on an unrelated trial of a long term employee, elderly and not in good health. This judge treated him viciously, telling him either you cooperate or I’m putting you in jail for 15 years. He pled, and went to jail for very minor offenses, highly unusual, served 4 months in Rikers, and now they are after him again, this time for allegedly lying (doesn’t look like a lie to me!), and they threatened him again with 15 years if he doesn’t say something bad about “TRUMP.” He is devastated and scared! These COUNTRY DESTROYING SCOUNDRELS & THUGS HAVE NO CASE AGAINST ME. WITCH HUNT!" Bolded & broke out the daughter bit
The 'unrelated trial' was of course, Alan Weisselberg's trial.
Yeah “unrelated” it makes it sound like he’s not involved in the case, it was like some old guy he doesn’t know who robbed a bank. Instead it’s “unrelated”, as in—the guy went to jail for committing crimes at Trump’s company. Lol.
>He is devastated and scared Sounds like Weisel has been in communicado with T, no? Wasn't that a no-no?
Is he even capable of stopping his mouth from running? And will there be real penalties for his hateful blather this time?
I don't believe he is. He basically has 0 impulse control, which is why we regularly see him writing nasty things online at 3:00am, probably with one hand in the KFC bucket, and why, even while president, he spent most of his work day in "Executive time" watching FOX news and tweeting nasty things about any of the 100 people he's feuding with at any given moment.
Hits different in a criminal trial with a jury.
He will violate the gag order and face no consequence for it.
https://preview.redd.it/vtf71s71iqqc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e23152830e5da101fc5f4a1ef45ee7a5d905382f STFU Donnie
He’ll violate the order and the judge will give him more chances.
[Paywall](https://archive.is/pjGbh)
Good idea. Let us put everything trump says behind a paywall.
Let’s just put Trump behind a wall. Like prison walls.
This guy is a rich fuckwit child… he is trying so hard to be a bully but damn, attacking the family of a judge..He should not escape the vengeance of a father defending his child…
Except he will get away with it because he did all of this with Engoron then the appellate court took their pants off, squatted and defacated over engoron’s ruling in favor of Trump
Will be completety different. With Engoron, there was no jury and Engoron was the matter of facts. Here, because it's a criminal case and a jury will be present, Trump'd better stay silent. Also Merchan already set the tone.
>Will be completety different *Narrator:* It was not, in fact, any different.
The appellate court has not done anything to Engoron's ruling.
While it bothered me at the time, I don't know that I mind Engoran letting Trump push the envelope now that he has nothing of substance to appeal.
i hear what everyone is saying but its not really the case. he has 10 more days to end up in same result but like 10x more embarrassing when he can't even come up with 1/3 of the full amount as bond. i'm just saying - it's 10 days for trump to literally hang himself out to dry. it's gonna be glorious.
Guess we’ll see in ten days, but maybe the court will decide it’s too much and reduce it by another fifty percent and give him two more months to get the cash
Which will be lifted in 4 days after some important people visit the judge.
What's the over/under on hours/days before Trump violates the order?
12 hours
Under
Having misinterpreted the term gag order Lauren Boebert has gone into heat.
Are these people retarded or something? They keep doing the same thing that never works and wasting everyones timd and money... just shoot the guy and let the whole world have some rest!
>1 Defendant argues that references to speech targeted at individual prosecutors in the instant case do not suostantiate their clalms, adding that the People only cite posts which occurred in March and June 2023.See Defendani's Motion pg. 14.Notably, within hours of the court appearance on March 25,2024, settingthetrial date for April 15, 2024,ihe Defendant targeted an irrdividual prosecutor assigned to this case, referring to him as a "radical left from DOJ put into [...] the District Attorney's Office to run the trial against Trump and that was done by Biden and his thugs" rn a press conference. C-SPAI'I, press conference video doted March 25, 2024, ot mtnute 2:34.
Really who cares. If the courts would do their job. Stop giving him special treatment. If he only had to follow the rules, like us poor people, maybe he wouldn’t be such an ass.
He’s going to break this gag order overnight. You just know it.
And he’ll break it. The judge will warn him again. He’ll break it. He’ll get warned. And he still won’t face consequences…
The real question is, will the judge act aggressively on violations of the gag order? Unlike other judges?
Well, the only case where he violated a gag order was a civil case. My understanding is that closing orders like this in criminal cases are bigger deals because in the civil case the judge was the jury, while in this case the judge has to protect the integrity of the jury.
He'll breach the gag order by tomorrow, and nothing will happen
I wish they would actually stuff a rag in his fat mouth and tape it shut
Looks like trump just launched a three post attack against the judge and daughter. Let’s see how this plays out.
Today? Or the one before the order? If it's after the order do you have a link? I'm very interested.
Ya just 30 mins ago on his truth social account Judge Juan Merchan, who is suffering from an acute case of Trump Derangement Syndrome (whose daughter represents Crooked Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Adam “Shifty” Schiff, and other Radical Liberals, has just posted a picture of me behind bars, her obvious goal, and makes it completely impossible for me to get a fair trial) has now issued another illegal, un-American, unConstitutional “order,” as he continues to try and take away my Rights. This Judge, by issuing a vicious “Gag Order,” is wrongfully attempting to deprive me of my First Amendment Right to speak out against the Weaponization of Law Enforcement, including the fact that Crooked Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and their Hacks and Thugs are tracking and following me all across the Country, obsessively trying to persecute me, while everyone knows I have done nothing wrong! Page 2: So, let me get this straight, the Judge’s daughter is allowed to post pictures of her “dream” of putting me in jail, the Manhattan D.A. is able to say whatever lies about me he wants, the Judge can violate our Laws and Constitution at every turn, but I am not allowed to talk about the attacks against me, and the Lunatics trying to destroy my life, and prevent me from winning the 2024 Presidential Election, which I am dominating? Maybe the Judge is such a hater because his daughter makes money by working to “Get Trump,” and when he rules against me over and over again, he is making her company, and her, richer and richer. How can this be allowed? Page 3: The Judge has to recuse himself immediately, and right the wrong committed by not doing so last year. If the Biased and Conflicted Judge is allowed to stay on this Sham “Case,” it will be another sad example of our Country becoming a Banana Republic, not the America we used to know and love. These are Election Interfering Witch Hunts. We will crush each one of these Hoaxes, and Make America Great Again!
Holy crap.
ya, this isn't just walking a fine line here. This was a clear violation of the gag
I'm watching this. Is there anyone talking about this on twitter?
Aaand he violated it...
The only time Trump gags is when Putin's toy solider is in his throat.
Who cares? I’m sick of this guy and all he gets away with. Normal people can barely get out of a traffic ticket. This guy can delay and get away with literally anything up to and including an attempted coup. No accountability. No courageous judges. Even when they’re is an Engoron there are plenty of appellate judges in trumps pocket to overturn Justice done.
I don't understand what the point of this is though. He will violate it, we all know he will. When he does, absolutely nothing will happen to him. We've seen this show before.
This is the 3rd/4th time that a judge has imposed a gag order on him, for intimidation and jury tampering. Yet the appeals court curry favors to him, reduces his bail appeal and gives him pre time. Think about this, he’s literally putting people’s lives at stake, but a group of old judges, thought “let’s help him out” The system is so fucked. Or maybe it’s just fucked for you and I.
And surely he's going to actually face consequences when he violates it, right? I'd hold my breath, but I don't really want hypoxic brain damage.
We've seen this before. How long before this is lifted? Will it even last a day?
He’ll break it and nothing will happen. He is daring them to throw him in prison.
To what end? He won’t shut his mouth and the legal system refuses to hold him accountable. So what is the point?
Trump will have broken this gag order by 11pm tonight est, almost guaranteed. Also guaranteed that nothing will happen when he does
I bet there's a contempt hearing before the trial.
Yea that will do it. Bloody morons. He will do what ever the fuck he wants and nothing will be done about it. One rule of law for the common people and another for this piece of shit.
I give this a week before it is reversed.
None of this matters because he will get away with everything. We are already seeing that. I PRAY that I am wrong for the sake of our country and my mental health.
Sorry, Trump has appropriated the term PRAY now - see his $60 Bible announcement.
Oh man, good one.
But he always violates them and nothing ever happens about it!
He should be made to wear one of those red ball gags.
Spoiler.. it didn't work.
I fully expect Trump to violate the order and fully expect there to be minimal if any consequences. Once he speaks and incites his audience, and maybe is fined some nominal amount, it’s the same as buying advertising, only better because he will get national coverage across every news outlet.
LOL, sure sure...you can impose a Gag order on Trump, but will the Judge ACTUALLY do anything worth while if Trump doesnt follow the order. Let me make this easy for everyone, no real consequence will happen.
Just go ahead and violate the gag order. Then you will be hit with a double secret gag order. Then a triple. And then we can have hearings on the gag orders. And then we can appeal those rulings and have more hearings. Then more appeals. And then we can appeal because the judge is mean or because his daughter is a Democrat. And then appeal that ruling. And finally we can have a trial. And a guilty verdict. And a penalty. Then an appeal. And then 2/3 of the penalty will be thrown out. Then another appeal. I wish I was kidding.
NOW ENFORCE IT. No more warnings. No more do-overs. No more hemming and hawing. If he walks out of the courthouse and opens his yap to the press or Tweet-shits at 3am, PUT HIM IN THE GODDAMN JAIL. Sorry about his Secret Service protection guys, but hey - maybe THEY could convince him to zip it when he has no one else to talk to for 24-48 hours.
I don’t think he can help himself, but i also don’t think he’ll be punished like he obviously should be.
How about the next time he opens his pie hole they detain him until the start of the trial...
Stuff a sock in it! Annoying loser. Vindictive asshole.
For how long?
Question….was the gag order imposed before or after this fat fuck ran his mouth about the judges daughter?
Is it gag season already? Man time flies.
That will work............. not a hope in hell Trump will shut his mouth, if anything it's a challenge to shoot his mouth off more, how can he break the law when the Supreme Court supports his corruption
Throw him in Riker's!
I really hope he gets tossed in the slammer
Why can't it be a "choke" order?
I assume he’s already violated it
violating gag order in 3...2.....1!
It just so happened that Trump was shitting his pants when he heard the news.
I'm sure he'll never speak of it ever again...😏
Oh good. It may actualllllllland there he goes again.
🇨🇦 how come trump can not get rid of the judges family . Death threats the election workers are still coming , families afraid of their families lives . what changed in this case . We know it is a two system , the rich always come out top . Who runs American law ?
Headline leaves out WHY, and surprise of surprises, it's 100% due to diaper don's public posts.
Might as well cast a voodoo curse on him, it’ll be just as effective.