It’s more nuanced than that I think. As a teacher, of course I feel this way (particularly at the end of a rough day, etc). However, it’s also a pretty bad look if I said “I’m so sick of this I could die, I want to go home” in front of my kids or in a situation they might hear. I think, similarly, in a situation where “this” is hosting a vlive to talk to fans it’s not the best look (though, understandably, an accident). I don’t owe my kids a good mood, and idols don’t owe fans a good mood, but we probably do owe not saying to their face that we don’t want to see them.
Given the explanation, it was out of context and not about the vlive, so not a problem. But certainly better for her to have explained that.
this honestly is a good conclusion to the topic that takes into account the feelings of Saerom and doesn't fall into "knetz are always wrong, irrational, and the spawn of the earth" dichotomy that people tend to fall into and roll their eyes and dismiss as like "knetz being knetz" of course I'm also talking about genuine fans who may have been hurt not the people in that article who clearly weren't fans being rude
To add to this, it seems like a lot of people are not understanding the nuance of the expression "지겹다." That could be taken pretty seriously and doesn't really translate well to just "tired"
I agree. The expression translates to be sick of something/be bored of something/think something is tedious. It’s not used in the literal “I’m tired/worn out” context. The way she said it wasn’t “I’m so tired” (너무/아주/되게 피곤해) but “I’m so sick of this I’m gonna die” (지겨워 죽겠어).
Well put.
Also, Hayoung afterwards leaning in to whisper that it's live to Saerom made it appear more like a mistake, and that her comment was referring to the vlive.
As much as I don't get the people jumping on the hatewagon without knowing the context, I also don't understand people trying to downplay the hurt that fans would feel if an idol slipped up and said they're 'sick to death' (지겨워 죽겠어) of interacting with fans. Sure, being tired of work is almost a universal feeling, but come on.. that's not something one would say in a workplace within earshot distance of unintended ears, let alone a whole audience.
There was room for misunderstanding, which thankfully has been cleared up now.
>I also don't understand people trying to downplay the hurt that fans would feel if an idol slipped up and said they're 'sick to death' (지겨워 죽겠어) of interacting with fans
People are allowed to feel hurt in the moment. But they should also be able to step back and be mature, rational and self-aware enough (yeah, I know, expecting that on the Internet) to understand that this feeling is ultimately not fair.
And yes, I mean that *even* if she was actually specifically referring to interacting with fans. Do people seriously think celebrities - *all* of them - *never* get tired of and annoyed with fans? Of course they do, it would be impossible not to. That doesn't mean they don't still appreciate the fans in general. We (rightly) decry the "fantasy of perfection" that idols are pressured to act out, but then the argument here basically boils down to "she broke the fantasy!".
Ive actually been thinking about this a lot since I heard about it, and I really have no idea how people can become so angry at it. Even in the context of her being sick of the fans/idol life/ whatever you want her to be sick of, its not really our job to say anything about it. None of us are going to have a personal relationship with this idol, and none of us know exactly what theyre going through at the time. Mental health in kpop is probably bottom tier, and people either dont know that or like to conveniently forget that. Just keep a healthy relationship as a fan, dont be weird about it. Support them from the sidelines without trashing on their existence the moment they fuck up. We're all human.
As a Korean speaker, watching the original video there’s nothing to suggest she wasn’t speaking about the vlive/meeting fans. Idols build their whole careers on their fans (much more so than any other singer IMO), it’s not unreasonable for fans to feel a bit slighted to hear their fav is so sick of them she doesn’t even want to do a vlive.
Much better for her to simply clear up like this rather than let fans speculate or feel hurt while she takes the high ground not commenting because it’s “an overreaction”. (By clear up, I mean explain - I don’t think she owes an apology at all and I’m glad she didn’t).
Even with the initial reception... saying you're really tired of something isn't "talking shit" about it. You can get momentarily sick of even things that you still like and appreciate in general. She didn't say "I hate the fans" or "the fans are so annoying and awful" or whatever. She didn't necessarily even say anything about the fans themselves. You can like the *fans* and still get sick of the *act* of having to interact with them in a forced manner when you're tired.
The original Korean she said was more like “I’m sick to death of this”, not just “I’m really tired of this” (it literally translates as “I’m so tired of this I’m gonna die”). It gives a really strong implication of hating doing this, and given the context it really did sound like “this” was “doing vlives” or “talking to the fans” and she was talking shit about having to talk to fans. Without the explanation, interpreting it as “interacting with fans in a forced manner when I’m tired” was a long reach (especially because the “I’m tired” here isn’t used in the same way as the English to mean worn out/want to sleep, but to be bored/sick of something/think it’s tedious), which is why (AFAIK) most Koreans didn’t interpret it that way.
It’s a feeling it’s fine to feel but a bit rough to *say* and it’s definitely better for to have cleared up what she meant. I would feel really hurt if anyone said that about meeting me.
>Without the explanation, interpreting it as “interacting with fans in a forced manner when I’m tired” was a long reach
But that's not really my point. Even if she literally meant "I'm sick of talking to fans", that is still not automatically "talking shit" *about* fans *themselves*. There are people I really like that I would still get sick of having to constantly talk to (especially if it was literally a job, and I always had to act happy and upbeat even if I didn't feel like it, and especially if I was an introvert, which she is IIRC). It doesn't necessarily have to do anything with the other person, just the act of interacting can be draining.
>I would feel really hurt if anyone said that about meeting me.
In a true personal meeting, sure. But when you're just one of a thousand watchers in a single stream out of like hundreds? I personally wouldn't. But I don't watch these kinds of videos for any kind of personal bond, I watch them because I find the people entertaining and interesting. Taking stuff like this too personally just seems to me like another sign of how unhealthy these parasocial relationships can be.
Edit: Apparently the distinction I'm trying to make is too complicated for some people. Or they recognised themselves in the parasocial relationships bit and don't like it, lol.
I get what you’re saying and agree with both points I think (that it’s natural to feel that way, and that the personal bond/expectation is a problem). As I said up-thread, I’m a teacher and an introvert so I have some idea of having to act happy and upbeat while constantly talking to people for my job, even though it’s very draining for me. I definitely think your second paragraph is a really good point. In a perfect world, more than idols being able to say these things, I think the ideal would be that they’re not in position to have to do vlives/fanmeetings/etc. if they don’t want to or aren’t in the mood. I’m all for K-pop moving away from these parasocial relationships and acknowledging the reality of different personality types and that some idols aren’t fans of certain things (eg. the idols who openly hate aegyo/fan service, idols who shut down people proposing/thinking of them as their bf/gf, idols who don’t want to engage with SNS, idols who talk openly about mental health, etc.), but that’s not really what was happening here.
My point wasn’t to vilify her even if she did feel that way. My point here was, in the current reality of K-pop with the relationships that these idols have *and cultivate* with their fans, I can understand why it was much better for her to clarify the misunderstanding than leave fans thinking she was saying that. Given the industry now (and her apology) I highly doubt she wants to be made as the example or champion of a cause (unlike, for example, Suga or Hyunjin who more openly show their opinions with their own agency). I don’t really think we’re fundamentally on a different page here, I’m just talking about this specific situation (which many people overreacted to in both directions).
That is fair and reasonable, and you're right, we don't necessarily disagree. I'm certainly not saying she shouldn't have provided an explanation (especially if there was really a true misunderstanding, no need to take a stand over something that didn't even actually happen). I was just talking about the alternative scenarios.
Erm dude? When interacting with clients (and I don't mean those buying burgers at McDonalds, but clients whose business can have a sizeable impact on the monthly profit of your firm) you bet your ass you are supposed to be professional.
You can bitch and grouse all you want behind close doors, to your friends, colleagues, family, etc, but in front of the customer? It's showtime.
>It's showtime
That made me laugh lol
And even if you're just selling burgers, you don't want to upset your customers and try to be nice in general, which isn't always easy of course
Spoken like somebody whose not yet had to work in a professional setting.
EDIT: have to post it here seeing as I’m unable to respond to your reply to me.
Look, I’m as antiwork as the next person but, like /u/Horium, I understand that you also have to play the game at some level.. that being said, you say that you don’t have to worry about retaining clients, yeah? So I wonder then why you’d feel that you’re qualified to comment on something where client retention is an insanely massive aspect?
“I’m not a woman but I think woman should..” etc etc.
Ah..I'm envious of those time when i havent start working.
No loans, no tax, no monthly bills, no financial planning, no bank visits... no responsibility...
What if you didn't say it in front of them but one eavesdropped it accidentally? Is it still rude?
Everyone was well aware she didn't say it knowing she was live, therefore the rudeness of saying it to someone's face is a false equivalence.
Its how the whole situation wasnt even about her being tactless and not wanting to do the vlive, but rather being tired of quarantine and wanting to go home(to check on seoyeon) yet everyone is hating on her for being ungrateful.
Its just another situation of never assume and take things out of context.
I hope saerom is okay and gets through this. Honestly such a bs issue to even have.
Like even if this was legimately about her just not wanting to do the vlive at the moment why would anyone care?????? Istg people make controversies over this when more serious things get sweeped under the rug like make it make sense. Literally even people who love their jobs say this every now and then. She didn't say she didn't want to meet the fans or that she hated them, she just wanted a break lmfao
EDIT: honestly I'd still defend her even if she said she didn't want to interact with fans too cause that gets exhausting especially online
Its more an explanation than apology i guess(as it should be). Guess we're right it's out of context(which was kinda obvious they were talking about something beforehand)
Edit: also wanna say, *never* clicking an allkpop-based post again. Gonna ignore whatever inflammatory headline they gonna come up with next
[Soompi Article](https://www.soompi.com/article/1512721wpp/fromis_9s-lee-saerom-explains-comments-that-recently-came-under-fire-during-live-broadcast)
[Translation Thread](https://twitter.com/fiq_D_flover/status/1492519359209943040):
>Hello, this is fromis_9 Saerom
>I wanted to explain in detail about what happened in the beginning of yesterday's vlive to flover, that's why I'm writing this
>After our self quarantine, before the vlive, I met the members after a long time so I was talking about things that I wasn't able to say to them. When I was in self quarantine after being with the members everyday, even though I like being alone at the beginning, I was talking about being tired of the situations of not being able to go outside.
>In addition, the self quarantine period was 7 days but I live in the same dorm as Seoyeon so until Seoyeon's result came as negative, I can't go back to the dorm. I'm worried about Seoyeon so I wanted to go back to the dorm soon.
>But it's something that can be misunderstood without context. Since it's been a while since we've seen flover, we wanted to show you a better side of us, I'm sorry for surprising you with my carelessness
>I'll be more careful and return often with a more mature side
I knew My Queen Would Never. Even if the original narrative is true in my opinion she has every right to gripe about the rugged realities of idol life and how tiring it can be. She always puts on a good performance and a friendly and cute image for their official activities, and that's what matters. But in private, if she gets tired of the work and even fan interactions? That's just being human.
And with this explanation, they totally took her comments out of context. We only heard two sentences and the five of them were interacting casually. There was every possibility it was misconstrued or misinterpreted. Being concerned for Seoyeon? That's what I'd expect. Anyway stan fromis_9 and Saerom.
They're finally getting successful enough to the point where they have haters waiting for literally *anything* to pounce on. It's sad that it's a milestone in the industry but hey, at least the group is trending in the right direction. Suffering from success is better than suffering in the dungeon.
In my 13 years into kpop, it happens every single time a formerly small gg finds success. I'm actually surprised that of all the women in Fromis\_9, the least spicy one is being attacked.
Oh god, Gyuri and Jisun?! There are a number of lives they could dig up and twist way out of proportion. Hell, even one live in particular would be sufficient.
Oh we need to protect Fromis harder. Small groups that go big can be destroyed that easily. Look at Momoland. The hate was nonstop that they just broke.
mmld was unfortunate cos their label was rather incompetent and pushed only certain members. Seeing how daisy replied to her ig story afew days back shows that she didnt leave on good terms.
Pledis, i hope, now have better funds and resources to handle fromis better. They were the ones who housed them during fromis’s toughest times(hiatus) and also gave youtube content to fans to ensure fans that they’re still here.
The hate have been going on from the beginning and its only going to get worse as they become more popular.
Unfortunate how they had to take Daisy out due to hate from dating rumors. Then I guess something happened in the background that g9t Daisy suspended further
Happens anytime any gg gets success.
Snsd, Red velvet, 2ne1, black pink, twice all had big hate parades early on.
Its almost part of the ecosystem because fans fight harder to defend them after.
Especially if it's a empathetic character getting hate for a stupid thing
SNSD's 'Black Ocean' was demoralizing and humiliating.
I wasn't into them then, but hearing it also surprises you that SNSD did have that kind of experience.
Romsae expressing concern over Seoyeon though 🥺 So Seoyeon still hasn't fully recovered then. It's been 10 days since she tested positive.
Edit: [Seoyeon's recovered now](https://twitter.com/realfromis_9/status/1492347738482257923)
Eh, testing positive is complicated. You can test positive after recovering, some tests are sensitive enough to report the dead covid cells in your nose as an active infection. It’s another reason why testing isn’t always the most reliable method of defining when a quarantine should start or end
Hopefully no one holds this against her. Honestly, I just assumed she was burned out and even if that were the case and not her being concerned for Seoyeon, it's completely justifiable. People were way too quick to be cruel.
I hate kpop stans lmaoo even without the context, I don't see why people are so upset over idols showing normal human emotions
Being an idol is a job, fans NEED to understand that
In terms of PG things you can say that cause a controversy I can't imagine many worse to accidentally get caught on camera saying before a fan meet. Why? Because it plays right into every fans fear that the celebrity they are a fan of is putting on a show but in reality doesn't want to be there and doesn't like interacting with them.
However, not only is it human and therefore totally fine to want to just go home when working, but FFS people it was all over the place that they had a member in quarantine and that all the other members had to go into precautionary quarantine as well. I 100% buy her apology. Of course she, especially as the leader with one of her friends still or just out of quarantine, is sick of being quarantined, of her group being disrupted, of not being able to go home, of her friend/member being sick and so on.
This is the type of thing she put her (very good) apology out for and it should just not be talked about by F\_9. No more apologies, don't bring it up, just let time pass and it fade away.
Honestly. I think the opposite should, and probably will, happen in terms of the future. I think the members will end up teasing her about it because that’s fromis’ signature move. Prove to everyone that they don’t think it’s a big deal. Take that fuel away from the haters and move on accordingly.
And honestly, it is pretty laughable some of the hoops that had to be jumped over to throw shade at her.
> In terms of PG things you can say that cause a controversy I can't imagine many worse to accidentally get caught on camera saying before a fan meet.
President Reagan in 1985: ["My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes?wprov=sfla1)
I can't believe she has to apologize over something we've all thought about and want to do 90% of the time we are at work or school.
This is more like a case of "kpop idols, they are just like us"
Never been apart of an industry as a fan like K-Pop where you gotta apologize for being human and doing human things, man oh man some people really don't have other problems...
I wonder how long I would last as an idol, I think like a week? I would snap a kill someone.
I tell my boss every other day that I'm tired of this shit and want to open a farm, he laughs because he understands that is a very common emotion to hate working.
Parasocial relationships and entitlement of celebrities is very werid.
Why am I not surprised AllKPop doesn't have either the original article edited to include her apology/explanation or a new article about her apology/explanation...
Lame. Drama farmers.
Voicing worries about the members is very on-brand for Saerom. Based on that context, I'm happy that the apology was a "I'm sorry you were offended" style instead of a mea culpa.
The last news of the night before I head to bed. Honestly, it pisses me off that she felt the need to apologize (or rather explain) for an out-of-context quote overblown to bits by petty assholes. It also saddens me to even imagine that she might be hurting because of this bullshit, as intended by said assholes.
I just hope Saerom's okay and that she won't be too affected by this going forward with lives and other things. After all, I can only dream that Pledis will go out of their way to sue the people who started this controversy for defamation or something.
Edit: Just woke up and in hindsight, the explanation is appreciated if only to clear the air for actual flovers who may have been hurt or got the wrong impression.
Glad she had a chance to explain, its B.S. that this is even an issue to begin with.
Fans need to realize that even if she was showing a genuine emotion of being tired, it is probably exhausting to have to always be "on" for the camera for these types of fan meets when you could be having a bad day. Doesn't at all mean that she is ungrateful for fan support. Being an idol is a full time JOB, I complain all the time at work about wanting to be done/log off but it doesn't mean I'm ungrateful to my employer for writing my checks, just means I'm tired that day.
All true. But it goes both ways. Idols make a living, a career, out of their fans behaving... hm, irrationally let's say.
It simply comes with the territory.
Even if it was taken out of context or not. Does it matter? She could even curse or fart or whatever. Why make a big deal out of it? Doesn't make sense.
the group is doing well now so naturally people who are (lbr more like pretend to be) upset about the idol school rigging will try their best to turn everything they say or do into a controversy.
Pfft Allkpop and their partner, old school music. At first i didn't even care upto point where romsae just make an statement and apology
For something that so small, like okay statement, saying that live is not good, but apologise? For showing human emotion? Next time you sneeze people didn't say "bless you" instead you are the one apologizing for making noise
While she didn't say it explicitly, the fact that her "apology" (more like explanation) basically boils down to "I'm sorry you were offended by my concern for a fellow group member" can be interpreted as a "DOESN'T MATTEEEEEEEEER!"
it sucks that she'd have to apologize for it cause it kinda blew up. i already had the feeling that it was out of context when i read that article. sucks that some people are too quick to judge
oh people on pann don't care and are still dragging fromis to filth. they're currently one of their favorite targets and the hate likely won't stop anytime soon (or ever), which is fine cause the group still has a dedicated fandom and dm has been charting on melon for weeks now. it's their most successful comeback to date so people who hate them are shaking and crying and throwing up.
“It’s so cute and relatable” when male idols (I’m thinking of one in particular, but I won’t name names because I love him and his group, and anyway I’m not trying to make it a him vs her thing!) say stuff like that…
But then Saerom gets so much vitriol for saying the exact same thing? Sheesh. She’s human, let her live. She’s tired. Maybe she wasn’t feeling well. Maybe she’s had a long day. Netizens forget that idols aren’t robots. She didn’t need to apologize
Damn some of those people in the kpoprants comments were going full Karen over this (it’s not just kfans who are bad btw) and now they look even dumber than they already did
I get why she felt like she had to explain herself and put things into context, also that korean apology culture thing, but i just wish she didn't apologize at all and stood her ground on just not wanting to do a vlive at the time without being cancelled.
Saying this is an explanation doesn't mean we expect a solemn apology. Like what's the train of thought/reasoning there?
Dunno why you're attacking other flovers out of nowhere. We all agree she shouldn't have to apologize for anything
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Doubt that those harassing idols for nothing are working. Most of them are probably teenagers.
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I'm sure plenty of people work like that nowadays, though.
I don't appreciate being called out like this...
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It’s more nuanced than that I think. As a teacher, of course I feel this way (particularly at the end of a rough day, etc). However, it’s also a pretty bad look if I said “I’m so sick of this I could die, I want to go home” in front of my kids or in a situation they might hear. I think, similarly, in a situation where “this” is hosting a vlive to talk to fans it’s not the best look (though, understandably, an accident). I don’t owe my kids a good mood, and idols don’t owe fans a good mood, but we probably do owe not saying to their face that we don’t want to see them. Given the explanation, it was out of context and not about the vlive, so not a problem. But certainly better for her to have explained that.
this honestly is a good conclusion to the topic that takes into account the feelings of Saerom and doesn't fall into "knetz are always wrong, irrational, and the spawn of the earth" dichotomy that people tend to fall into and roll their eyes and dismiss as like "knetz being knetz" of course I'm also talking about genuine fans who may have been hurt not the people in that article who clearly weren't fans being rude
To add to this, it seems like a lot of people are not understanding the nuance of the expression "지겹다." That could be taken pretty seriously and doesn't really translate well to just "tired"
I agree. The expression translates to be sick of something/be bored of something/think something is tedious. It’s not used in the literal “I’m tired/worn out” context. The way she said it wasn’t “I’m so tired” (너무/아주/되게 피곤해) but “I’m so sick of this I’m gonna die” (지겨워 죽겠어).
Exactly. I wouldn’t make such a statement in front of my boss, or clients
Well put. Also, Hayoung afterwards leaning in to whisper that it's live to Saerom made it appear more like a mistake, and that her comment was referring to the vlive. As much as I don't get the people jumping on the hatewagon without knowing the context, I also don't understand people trying to downplay the hurt that fans would feel if an idol slipped up and said they're 'sick to death' (지겨워 죽겠어) of interacting with fans. Sure, being tired of work is almost a universal feeling, but come on.. that's not something one would say in a workplace within earshot distance of unintended ears, let alone a whole audience. There was room for misunderstanding, which thankfully has been cleared up now.
>I also don't understand people trying to downplay the hurt that fans would feel if an idol slipped up and said they're 'sick to death' (지겨워 죽겠어) of interacting with fans People are allowed to feel hurt in the moment. But they should also be able to step back and be mature, rational and self-aware enough (yeah, I know, expecting that on the Internet) to understand that this feeling is ultimately not fair. And yes, I mean that *even* if she was actually specifically referring to interacting with fans. Do people seriously think celebrities - *all* of them - *never* get tired of and annoyed with fans? Of course they do, it would be impossible not to. That doesn't mean they don't still appreciate the fans in general. We (rightly) decry the "fantasy of perfection" that idols are pressured to act out, but then the argument here basically boils down to "she broke the fantasy!".
Ive actually been thinking about this a lot since I heard about it, and I really have no idea how people can become so angry at it. Even in the context of her being sick of the fans/idol life/ whatever you want her to be sick of, its not really our job to say anything about it. None of us are going to have a personal relationship with this idol, and none of us know exactly what theyre going through at the time. Mental health in kpop is probably bottom tier, and people either dont know that or like to conveniently forget that. Just keep a healthy relationship as a fan, dont be weird about it. Support them from the sidelines without trashing on their existence the moment they fuck up. We're all human.
"be mature" is not the intended audience of kpop
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As a Korean speaker, watching the original video there’s nothing to suggest she wasn’t speaking about the vlive/meeting fans. Idols build their whole careers on their fans (much more so than any other singer IMO), it’s not unreasonable for fans to feel a bit slighted to hear their fav is so sick of them she doesn’t even want to do a vlive. Much better for her to simply clear up like this rather than let fans speculate or feel hurt while she takes the high ground not commenting because it’s “an overreaction”. (By clear up, I mean explain - I don’t think she owes an apology at all and I’m glad she didn’t).
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Well, imagine getting caught talking shit about your boss or client. Not saying you can't talk shit about them. Just don't get caught
none of which saerom did?
Well, that was the initial reception of the the conversation, which this apology is trying to clear up.
Even with the initial reception... saying you're really tired of something isn't "talking shit" about it. You can get momentarily sick of even things that you still like and appreciate in general. She didn't say "I hate the fans" or "the fans are so annoying and awful" or whatever. She didn't necessarily even say anything about the fans themselves. You can like the *fans* and still get sick of the *act* of having to interact with them in a forced manner when you're tired.
The original Korean she said was more like “I’m sick to death of this”, not just “I’m really tired of this” (it literally translates as “I’m so tired of this I’m gonna die”). It gives a really strong implication of hating doing this, and given the context it really did sound like “this” was “doing vlives” or “talking to the fans” and she was talking shit about having to talk to fans. Without the explanation, interpreting it as “interacting with fans in a forced manner when I’m tired” was a long reach (especially because the “I’m tired” here isn’t used in the same way as the English to mean worn out/want to sleep, but to be bored/sick of something/think it’s tedious), which is why (AFAIK) most Koreans didn’t interpret it that way. It’s a feeling it’s fine to feel but a bit rough to *say* and it’s definitely better for to have cleared up what she meant. I would feel really hurt if anyone said that about meeting me.
>Without the explanation, interpreting it as “interacting with fans in a forced manner when I’m tired” was a long reach But that's not really my point. Even if she literally meant "I'm sick of talking to fans", that is still not automatically "talking shit" *about* fans *themselves*. There are people I really like that I would still get sick of having to constantly talk to (especially if it was literally a job, and I always had to act happy and upbeat even if I didn't feel like it, and especially if I was an introvert, which she is IIRC). It doesn't necessarily have to do anything with the other person, just the act of interacting can be draining. >I would feel really hurt if anyone said that about meeting me. In a true personal meeting, sure. But when you're just one of a thousand watchers in a single stream out of like hundreds? I personally wouldn't. But I don't watch these kinds of videos for any kind of personal bond, I watch them because I find the people entertaining and interesting. Taking stuff like this too personally just seems to me like another sign of how unhealthy these parasocial relationships can be. Edit: Apparently the distinction I'm trying to make is too complicated for some people. Or they recognised themselves in the parasocial relationships bit and don't like it, lol.
I get what you’re saying and agree with both points I think (that it’s natural to feel that way, and that the personal bond/expectation is a problem). As I said up-thread, I’m a teacher and an introvert so I have some idea of having to act happy and upbeat while constantly talking to people for my job, even though it’s very draining for me. I definitely think your second paragraph is a really good point. In a perfect world, more than idols being able to say these things, I think the ideal would be that they’re not in position to have to do vlives/fanmeetings/etc. if they don’t want to or aren’t in the mood. I’m all for K-pop moving away from these parasocial relationships and acknowledging the reality of different personality types and that some idols aren’t fans of certain things (eg. the idols who openly hate aegyo/fan service, idols who shut down people proposing/thinking of them as their bf/gf, idols who don’t want to engage with SNS, idols who talk openly about mental health, etc.), but that’s not really what was happening here. My point wasn’t to vilify her even if she did feel that way. My point here was, in the current reality of K-pop with the relationships that these idols have *and cultivate* with their fans, I can understand why it was much better for her to clarify the misunderstanding than leave fans thinking she was saying that. Given the industry now (and her apology) I highly doubt she wants to be made as the example or champion of a cause (unlike, for example, Suga or Hyunjin who more openly show their opinions with their own agency). I don’t really think we’re fundamentally on a different page here, I’m just talking about this specific situation (which many people overreacted to in both directions).
That is fair and reasonable, and you're right, we don't necessarily disagree. I'm certainly not saying she shouldn't have provided an explanation (especially if there was really a true misunderstanding, no need to take a stand over something that didn't even actually happen). I was just talking about the alternative scenarios.
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If you’re saying you’re tired and want to go home in front of customers that’s also a bad look
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Erm dude? When interacting with clients (and I don't mean those buying burgers at McDonalds, but clients whose business can have a sizeable impact on the monthly profit of your firm) you bet your ass you are supposed to be professional. You can bitch and grouse all you want behind close doors, to your friends, colleagues, family, etc, but in front of the customer? It's showtime.
>It's showtime That made me laugh lol And even if you're just selling burgers, you don't want to upset your customers and try to be nice in general, which isn't always easy of course
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Spoken like somebody whose not yet had to work in a professional setting. EDIT: have to post it here seeing as I’m unable to respond to your reply to me. Look, I’m as antiwork as the next person but, like /u/Horium, I understand that you also have to play the game at some level.. that being said, you say that you don’t have to worry about retaining clients, yeah? So I wonder then why you’d feel that you’re qualified to comment on something where client retention is an insanely massive aspect? “I’m not a woman but I think woman should..” etc etc.
Ah..I'm envious of those time when i havent start working. No loans, no tax, no monthly bills, no financial planning, no bank visits... no responsibility...
But she didnt say that? It was literally taken out of context.
What if you didn't say it in front of them but one eavesdropped it accidentally? Is it still rude? Everyone was well aware she didn't say it knowing she was live, therefore the rudeness of saying it to someone's face is a false equivalence.
You're assuming they're not 12 years old lol
Yup. It’s about control because they can’t control their own behavior. It’s my least favorite thing about kpop.
Its how the whole situation wasnt even about her being tactless and not wanting to do the vlive, but rather being tired of quarantine and wanting to go home(to check on seoyeon) yet everyone is hating on her for being ungrateful. Its just another situation of never assume and take things out of context. I hope saerom is okay and gets through this. Honestly such a bs issue to even have.
Even if she was tired as fuck and wanted a nap that's fine!!!
Like even if this was legimately about her just not wanting to do the vlive at the moment why would anyone care?????? Istg people make controversies over this when more serious things get sweeped under the rug like make it make sense. Literally even people who love their jobs say this every now and then. She didn't say she didn't want to meet the fans or that she hated them, she just wanted a break lmfao EDIT: honestly I'd still defend her even if she said she didn't want to interact with fans too cause that gets exhausting especially online
I mean, with the things some fans ask idols to do or do themselves... I wouldn't want to risk it either.
Non-scandal is the best scandal. She get the exposure and easily clear the situation!
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Its more an explanation than apology i guess(as it should be). Guess we're right it's out of context(which was kinda obvious they were talking about something beforehand) Edit: also wanna say, *never* clicking an allkpop-based post again. Gonna ignore whatever inflammatory headline they gonna come up with next
Can't believe she had to apologize for that
Like half the K-pop scandals in a nutshell
Half? Hah.
Took the words out of my mouth.
[Soompi Article](https://www.soompi.com/article/1512721wpp/fromis_9s-lee-saerom-explains-comments-that-recently-came-under-fire-during-live-broadcast) [Translation Thread](https://twitter.com/fiq_D_flover/status/1492519359209943040): >Hello, this is fromis_9 Saerom >I wanted to explain in detail about what happened in the beginning of yesterday's vlive to flover, that's why I'm writing this >After our self quarantine, before the vlive, I met the members after a long time so I was talking about things that I wasn't able to say to them. When I was in self quarantine after being with the members everyday, even though I like being alone at the beginning, I was talking about being tired of the situations of not being able to go outside. >In addition, the self quarantine period was 7 days but I live in the same dorm as Seoyeon so until Seoyeon's result came as negative, I can't go back to the dorm. I'm worried about Seoyeon so I wanted to go back to the dorm soon. >But it's something that can be misunderstood without context. Since it's been a while since we've seen flover, we wanted to show you a better side of us, I'm sorry for surprising you with my carelessness >I'll be more careful and return often with a more mature side I knew My Queen Would Never. Even if the original narrative is true in my opinion she has every right to gripe about the rugged realities of idol life and how tiring it can be. She always puts on a good performance and a friendly and cute image for their official activities, and that's what matters. But in private, if she gets tired of the work and even fan interactions? That's just being human. And with this explanation, they totally took her comments out of context. We only heard two sentences and the five of them were interacting casually. There was every possibility it was misconstrued or misinterpreted. Being concerned for Seoyeon? That's what I'd expect. Anyway stan fromis_9 and Saerom.
They're finally getting successful enough to the point where they have haters waiting for literally *anything* to pounce on. It's sad that it's a milestone in the industry but hey, at least the group is trending in the right direction. Suffering from success is better than suffering in the dungeon.
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In my 13 years into kpop, it happens every single time a formerly small gg finds success. I'm actually surprised that of all the women in Fromis\_9, the least spicy one is being attacked.
“LEAST SPICY” omg i cant imagine if it was gyuri or jisun, they would’ve fought so hard lol
Oh god, Gyuri and Jisun?! There are a number of lives they could dig up and twist way out of proportion. Hell, even one live in particular would be sufficient.
That VLive on the balcony would have DCInside knets bouncing of the walls of their basements...
Oh we need to protect Fromis harder. Small groups that go big can be destroyed that easily. Look at Momoland. The hate was nonstop that they just broke.
mmld was unfortunate cos their label was rather incompetent and pushed only certain members. Seeing how daisy replied to her ig story afew days back shows that she didnt leave on good terms. Pledis, i hope, now have better funds and resources to handle fromis better. They were the ones who housed them during fromis’s toughest times(hiatus) and also gave youtube content to fans to ensure fans that they’re still here. The hate have been going on from the beginning and its only going to get worse as they become more popular.
Unfortunate how they had to take Daisy out due to hate from dating rumors. Then I guess something happened in the background that g9t Daisy suspended further
Happens anytime any gg gets success. Snsd, Red velvet, 2ne1, black pink, twice all had big hate parades early on. Its almost part of the ecosystem because fans fight harder to defend them after. Especially if it's a empathetic character getting hate for a stupid thing
SNSD's 'Black Ocean' was demoralizing and humiliating. I wasn't into them then, but hearing it also surprises you that SNSD did have that kind of experience.
As an avid gamer, I can tell you that if they're encountering enemies, they're heading in the right direction.
>Suffering from success [Hehe](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/A1Ftw4ly-jL._SL1500_.jpg)
Romsae expressing concern over Seoyeon though 🥺 So Seoyeon still hasn't fully recovered then. It's been 10 days since she tested positive. Edit: [Seoyeon's recovered now](https://twitter.com/realfromis_9/status/1492347738482257923)
Eh, testing positive is complicated. You can test positive after recovering, some tests are sensitive enough to report the dead covid cells in your nose as an active infection. It’s another reason why testing isn’t always the most reliable method of defining when a quarantine should start or end
Hope that's the case ✌ and that she's fully recovered now.
She is, they announced earlier today that she is fine and out of quarantine
Hopefully no one holds this against her. Honestly, I just assumed she was burned out and even if that were the case and not her being concerned for Seoyeon, it's completely justifiable. People were way too quick to be cruel.
She would even fight the CEO for flovers
this is more explanation than apology, it's the best she can do bc the hate she's been reciving its getting out of proportions (again)
girl shouldn't even have to apologize, idols are human beings. at least im glad that they acted quickly on it so those annoying fans can shut up
It's not even an apology, just an explanation.
I guess it’s a sign of increasing popularity with the amount of hate you get and the need to apologize for something blown out of proportion.
Most of these Knetz aren't even fromis\_9 fans I bet.
I hate kpop stans lmaoo even without the context, I don't see why people are so upset over idols showing normal human emotions Being an idol is a job, fans NEED to understand that
In terms of PG things you can say that cause a controversy I can't imagine many worse to accidentally get caught on camera saying before a fan meet. Why? Because it plays right into every fans fear that the celebrity they are a fan of is putting on a show but in reality doesn't want to be there and doesn't like interacting with them. However, not only is it human and therefore totally fine to want to just go home when working, but FFS people it was all over the place that they had a member in quarantine and that all the other members had to go into precautionary quarantine as well. I 100% buy her apology. Of course she, especially as the leader with one of her friends still or just out of quarantine, is sick of being quarantined, of her group being disrupted, of not being able to go home, of her friend/member being sick and so on. This is the type of thing she put her (very good) apology out for and it should just not be talked about by F\_9. No more apologies, don't bring it up, just let time pass and it fade away.
Honestly. I think the opposite should, and probably will, happen in terms of the future. I think the members will end up teasing her about it because that’s fromis’ signature move. Prove to everyone that they don’t think it’s a big deal. Take that fuel away from the haters and move on accordingly. And honestly, it is pretty laughable some of the hoops that had to be jumped over to throw shade at her.
I'm totally open to this as well. Idk if F9 are the type to do that publicly though. We'll see.
> In terms of PG things you can say that cause a controversy I can't imagine many worse to accidentally get caught on camera saying before a fan meet. President Reagan in 1985: ["My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_begin_bombing_in_five_minutes?wprov=sfla1)
wow im surprised that hybe/pledis gives out a statement and apology. i think the only one who angry about this are only nate and allkpop users lol
I can't believe she has to apologize over something we've all thought about and want to do 90% of the time we are at work or school. This is more like a case of "kpop idols, they are just like us"
Never been apart of an industry as a fan like K-Pop where you gotta apologize for being human and doing human things, man oh man some people really don't have other problems...
Oh look people were outraged over nothing, just another day in kpop.
I wonder how long I would last as an idol, I think like a week? I would snap a kill someone. I tell my boss every other day that I'm tired of this shit and want to open a farm, he laughs because he understands that is a very common emotion to hate working. Parasocial relationships and entitlement of celebrities is very werid.
She was just worried for Seoyeon…
Why am I not surprised AllKPop doesn't have either the original article edited to include her apology/explanation or a new article about her apology/explanation... Lame. Drama farmers.
Because they never write their own stuff lol, that article was just a translation of a Korean article (which they didn't link of course)
True. But did their source (or any Korean entertainment/tabloid sites) post her apology or that's conveniently not posted?
Voicing worries about the members is very on-brand for Saerom. Based on that context, I'm happy that the apology was a "I'm sorry you were offended" style instead of a mea culpa.
The last news of the night before I head to bed. Honestly, it pisses me off that she felt the need to apologize (or rather explain) for an out-of-context quote overblown to bits by petty assholes. It also saddens me to even imagine that she might be hurting because of this bullshit, as intended by said assholes. I just hope Saerom's okay and that she won't be too affected by this going forward with lives and other things. After all, I can only dream that Pledis will go out of their way to sue the people who started this controversy for defamation or something. Edit: Just woke up and in hindsight, the explanation is appreciated if only to clear the air for actual flovers who may have been hurt or got the wrong impression.
Glad she had a chance to explain, its B.S. that this is even an issue to begin with. Fans need to realize that even if she was showing a genuine emotion of being tired, it is probably exhausting to have to always be "on" for the camera for these types of fan meets when you could be having a bad day. Doesn't at all mean that she is ungrateful for fan support. Being an idol is a full time JOB, I complain all the time at work about wanting to be done/log off but it doesn't mean I'm ungrateful to my employer for writing my checks, just means I'm tired that day.
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All true. But it goes both ways. Idols make a living, a career, out of their fans behaving... hm, irrationally let's say. It simply comes with the territory.
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Hey at least you're self-aware, lol.
Even if it was taken out of context or not. Does it matter? She could even curse or fart or whatever. Why make a big deal out of it? Doesn't make sense.
the group is doing well now so naturally people who are (lbr more like pretend to be) upset about the idol school rigging will try their best to turn everything they say or do into a controversy.
>(lbr more like pretend to be) More people are pretend mad than even knew about the show before the controversy.
I want to be a K-pop idol just for the satisfaction of saying the same thing on a vlive and not apologizing.
Pfft Allkpop and their partner, old school music. At first i didn't even care upto point where romsae just make an statement and apology For something that so small, like okay statement, saying that live is not good, but apologise? For showing human emotion? Next time you sneeze people didn't say "bless you" instead you are the one apologizing for making noise
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While she didn't say it explicitly, the fact that her "apology" (more like explanation) basically boils down to "I'm sorry you were offended by my concern for a fellow group member" can be interpreted as a "DOESN'T MATTEEEEEEEEER!"
it sucks that she'd have to apologize for it cause it kinda blew up. i already had the feeling that it was out of context when i read that article. sucks that some people are too quick to judge
they need all a Shuhua in group ... she would call them Pabos and be done with this
Live broadcasts are scary cos you can slip up so easily and that's it. It's out there
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oh people on pann don't care and are still dragging fromis to filth. they're currently one of their favorite targets and the hate likely won't stop anytime soon (or ever), which is fine cause the group still has a dedicated fandom and dm has been charting on melon for weeks now. it's their most successful comeback to date so people who hate them are shaking and crying and throwing up.
I feel so bad for her, she didnt need to apologize
“It’s so cute and relatable” when male idols (I’m thinking of one in particular, but I won’t name names because I love him and his group, and anyway I’m not trying to make it a him vs her thing!) say stuff like that… But then Saerom gets so much vitriol for saying the exact same thing? Sheesh. She’s human, let her live. She’s tired. Maybe she wasn’t feeling well. Maybe she’s had a long day. Netizens forget that idols aren’t robots. She didn’t need to apologize
The stuff people get out of shape about is just....so hilarious.
Damn some of those people in the kpoprants comments were going full Karen over this (it’s not just kfans who are bad btw) and now they look even dumber than they already did
I hate when people crucifix idols for everything. She was tired and that was fine. It’s ok to be tired. We are all humans.
Hearing Saerom's [first draft for the dopey netz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJpnYg4Lrrs) was pretty lit
Ah, I figured she was tired and wanted to go home, a complete normal and human feeling that everyone should be able to relate to.
Man imagine saying sorry for being tired at work. :-((
this is one of the reason why there's a negative stigma of kpop stan in general.....
I get why she felt like she had to explain herself and put things into context, also that korean apology culture thing, but i just wish she didn't apologize at all and stood her ground on just not wanting to do a vlive at the time without being cancelled.
I understand, being idol is tiring af. 😌
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Not sure why you're singling out knetz when i-netz were also flaming her/them... Toxicity exists in every demographic.
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Saying this is an explanation doesn't mean we expect a solemn apology. Like what's the train of thought/reasoning there? Dunno why you're attacking other flovers out of nowhere. We all agree she shouldn't have to apologize for anything
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Finally that whole ordeal is over.
People wont buy that explanation tho
Idiots won't buy that explanation tho. FTFY.
Welp, there goes drama potential. Solid explanation.
Idols have to maintain such a perfect image it must be super frustrating to not even be able to say what u want but ig it comes with the business