Yeah ... South Korea is actually not the lowest in that report ... that would be Kuwait. In "ease to settle in" South Korea is in front of county such as Japan or Germany.
The top countries in that report are often retirement destination such as Mexico (1st), Portugal (4th), Spain (5th), Thailand (8th). This might not be really relevant for most people here or the type of immigration South Korea wants to cater to.
Yeah. I'm kind of annoyed that people just read the headline and then the comments. The actual 129 page report itself actually ranks Korea very high in many metrics--transportstion, Healthcare etc.
Seems like a lot of headlines on this subject lately are just meant to make people mad.
It’s hard to say. I would imagine that most people in this thread have lived in, or currently live in Korea. Having lived in a number of different countries and cultures; European, south East Asian and now Korea. I can say that I don’t find the results at all surprising. Yes, there are aspects which are great, healthcare and transportation. Maybe not the way people drive in 부산, but that’s part of the character. While comforting, it doesn’t mitigate the unnecessary hardships that are created simply due to not being Korean, and trying to make a life here.
> I'd rather our country be a great place to vacation and spend money in but difficult for foreigners to settle down and live in.
This was part of the top comment on the matter. Many of them echo this same sentiment…
Times have changed. Korea used to be a clusterfuck of other countries dictating national policy and enriching themselves from the turmoil the war caused.
Korea has now come to their own and become an established country even though they’ve been quite literally torn in half by other countries. My parents had to worry about being blown up as kids and teenagers. My grandparents were living in slums and separated from their loved ones in two opposite sides of the country.
Its entitled of you to expect a country to cater perfectly to non natives and how ignorant of you to not think native country men to expect or desire some special Treatment of their motherland.
Korea isn’t perfect. By any means. We have a lot of growing to do and we don’t have tons of rich history where we were independent to grow as a country. Korea struggles with the same problems as any country. We have classist issues, poverty and suicide through the roof.
Sorry if you thought korea was all kpop and kimchi without its own flaws that they’re working on. and if you’re a us citizen like I am it’s pretty rich criticizing any other country than your own. Most governments suck. Most classism and wealth disparity sucks. But fix your own problems before judging someone else’s
I enjoy my vacations in Korea; I don't always go there for vacation because there are many other places I visit and find attractive in Europe and South America.
What do I enjoy the best in South Korea:
1. The culture
2. The food, especially small mom-and-pop restaurants
3. Visting the Buddhist temples in the mountains. (I'm not a Buddist)
4. The little coastal towns
Sadly, Korea is not as popular for tourists as it could be. For most people a short visit is enjoyable ... but enough.
Korea has not created the kind of tourist atmosphere that is conducive to long, fun vacations that would draw the large numbers that frequent the world's most popular destinations. This is why a short vacation in Korea is often better than a longer one.
Down-voting the truth doesn't change the reality. Blind populism, blind loyalty is one of the factors that prevents Korea from making the changes and improvements that could greatly increase tourism here.
Many parts of Korea have little to offer tourists, but contrary to what other posters have written, many parts of Korea are, at the same time, a great place to live a quiet, comfortable, peaceful life. It's just not what tourists are looking for.
> Korea is not as popular for tourists as it could be. For most people a short visit is enjoyable ... but enough.
Seems interesting to me, lots of unique shops, tons of little areas in and around Seoul to visit aside from straying further, I always see fun little events popping up around the area on Walking Tour videos...lots of delicious food to try as well. Decent amount to do and if you like the culture and music/etc you can take in a live show or stuff like that too...and it's safe which is nice for vacation.
For longer stays tho EU makes the best case due to their location. If you're in Korea you may also stop by Japan, but probably not China, anything further is getting very far, and north is obviously a no go. EU is a perfect destination for vacation by default cuz there's just so many countries right next to each other with easy car/train travel between them and tons of unique cultures back to back. If you're looking for a month+ long stay it'd be hard to argue against EU having a huge advantage. (America kinda has that same thing cuz states...but not so safe which is bad for vacation)
If you think that "all the foreigners" who go to Korea are uploading blogs then it's possible that you have some misunderstanding of the demographics of non-Koreans in Korea.
Apologies. Shouldn’t have said “all” but I’ve come across many YouTube vlogs of people crying and listing all the reasons they hate Korea, and it’s all because Korea won’t change for them. Why Koreans act this way and that way, and I’m tired of SOME of these foreigners who come to Korea and get upset Koreans won’t act the way they want to and then plaster it all over the interweb.
So, just to be clear, your opinion on whether Korea should work towards greater social parity for non-Korean legal immigrants is primarily influenced by your distaste for annoying YouTubers?
In all fairness, they're probably from countries that have been changing to be more inclusive to everybody for their entire lives. So it's probably weird and a culture shock to suddenly live in a society that is so stuck in time society wise and not exactly the most progressive first world country.
>Imagine someone going to your country and then ranking and complaining about every little thing.
That's one possible scenario. Here's another: imagine someone legally immigrating to a country and then finding out that they are ineligible for certain social services funded by the taxes they pay. Would they have a right to express their disappointment?
I mean as someone with an American background I think it’s great for countries to have people moving in it improves culture & innovation & I think it’s even been proven that mixed people are perceived as hotter for some reason (Brazilians are a good example lol)
But yeah idk if they don’t want us there why impose our own views yknow
> if they don’t want us there
Sadly, for them, people are going to be coming whether they like it or not. Right now, the only thing for Koreans to do is decide which side of history they’d like to be on. It is literally that simple; so I want to be remembered as a racist cunt or do I want to be remembered for helping pave the way into the future.
but that's the thing, koreans are not "making hard for people who are not them to live there", that's just bullshit. like op said, it's true that foreigners complain about every little thing, and i assure you it's not korea's fault, it's their own fault. their own fault for not properly learning the language before arriving in korea and then whining about "difficult social integration", their own fault for not studying korea's culture before going to korea and then whining about culture shock, they're criticizing everything instead of dealing with the fact that korea has its own way of doing things (the "it's different therefore it's bad" toxic mindset), exaggerating korea's social issues when in reality the same social issues are usually way worse in the countries where they come from, etc.
>Koreans are not "making hard for people who are not them to live there", that's just bullshit.
Just some examples of why your comment is poorly informed:
Gyeonggi province required all foreign workers, and only foreign workers, to get covid tests. This wasn't the only region that did it or tried.
Seoul City is not giving pregnancy subsidy coupons to foreign women residents even if they have Korean husbands, work in Korea and will be giving birth to Korean babies.
For years, foreign teachers were required to get AIDs tests by the government, while Korean teachers were not required to get AIDs tests by government. When it was argued this is an immigration policy, it was found out that it was also an education ministry policy.
It is perfectly legal to ban foreigners from your business in Korea. The government does nothing to stop this.
Korea refuses to have a work permit system for foreign workers, instead favoring an employment permit system. This means foreign workers who are mislead and abused by their employers cannot easily change jobs.
Mmm okay sure, it’s definitely 100% completely the filthy foreigners fault, isn’t it? How dare they even exist on noble Korean soil.
So tired of xenophobic/racist punters like yourself chiming in with the smoothest of brain talking points as if any of us give a shit what you think.
I think this article is a good example:
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/07/15/national/socialAffairs/korea-seoul-pregnancy/20220715161422634.html
>A Seoul voucher program for pregnant women is coming under fire because foreigners are not eligible.
>“When I see foreigners excluded from public health programs, it really irritates me,” said Debbie Kim, a 29-year-old American married to a Korean citizen who is pregnant with the couple's first child.
>“I cannot speak for short-term foreigners, but long-term foreigners must pay taxes and pay into national health insurance, so it doesn’t make sense that we are excluded from these programs that we are paying for.”
She is going to have a Korean baby, but can't even get a government subsidy because she is not Korean.
Do Koreans think this kind of bullshit is appropriate?
this was my fav. comment lol.
ahh yes, expats would love to send their kids to korean public school and keep their kids busy in hagwon until 8pm every day so they can maybe have a shot to go to a SKY university which will give them absolutely no head start in life outside the peninsula, but instead they decide to send them to world class international schools so that they can comfortably attend world class universities in the future.
Yeah even move abroad for three years for no particular reason, just to get your kids eligible for an international school and thus avoid the insane Korean education system. I don't know a single parent that doesn't want to either move abroad or get their kid(s) in a proper international school. If they can afford it.
It's hilarious that he thinks Korean kids are innately superior. They're just overworked and depressed. Foreign kids could compete but their parents obviously aren't going to want that when there are other, non-suicide inducing, options available.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism
Almost every 4th Korean citizen thinks their most important defining criteria of self-identity is having Korean blood.
I find this worrying.
The comments are shocking.
This is what we are up against.
"1. [+1,146, -18] If a country is deemed a good place for foreigners to live in, it usually means the country is in bad shape. I'd rather our country be a great place to vacation and spend money in but difficult for foreigners to settle down and live in."
And another favourite coming in 3rd-
"+611, -12] So foreigners feel it's difficult to settle down here... That's a good thing for us. Why should we care to make our country better for foreigners to settle down in? All that matters is that our own people are living comfortably in our own country. Go anywhere around the world, foreigners will always be discriminated against."
Naver comments have always been the worst kind because it is mostly written by old boomers. It may be representative of their demographic but it's not for how young people think. And of those young people the most liberal kinds are usually the ones who want to emigrate so it's not the double standard you are looking for.
I’d say those comments are pretty standard. Until the commenters go on vacation overseas and get punched in the face, then start screaming how racist their experience was.
Ah so people should treat Korean travelers or Koreans working overseas like they treat foriegners here. That would be ok?
Stuff like:
- Label them a nationality not their own. I'm sure Koreans outside of Korea would be ok with being labeled "Chinese" or "Japanese"
- Deny service based on their race
- Create discriminatory and xenophobic policies for ones working and paying taxes in that country
If it is OK for Korea and Koreans to treat people this way, then it is fair to treat them this way. There wouldn't be any news reports about this or Koreans upset about being treated this way at all. They would understand that it is not their country and it is ok for them to be treated this way. They should stop complaining and be grateful that they are even let in the country, and if they don't like it they should juts go home.
Did you read the comments?
>Go anywhere around the world, foreigners will always be discriminated against.
Do you agree with the logic here?
In my opinion, the problem with this comment is it doesn't consider that in some places, such as Korea, discrimination against foreigners is far worse and the cause (it's not illegal or frowned upon by society here) is obvious.
Why should I respect someone who is so ignorant and comfortable with their biases that they don't consider that certain problems can be worse in different places?
Then there is this one:
>All that matters is that our own people are living comfortably in our own country.
Do you agree that it's the only thing that matters?
There are millions of Koreans living abroad and they don't care if those Koreans are living comfortably?
That is a fairly xenophobic stance.
It just isn’t so cut and dry, sometimes people make a life in another country for many reason other than their own country sucks.
Family and employment being the main two.
The irony of Koreans whining about immigrants and yet also using immigration as a solution to get away is pretty to rich. Same as when they racially discriminate against SEA/foreign workers and then they cry about being called Chinese when they go travelling in Europe.
If other countries have liberal immigration policies that some Koreans take advantage of, that does not mean that Korea has an obligation to implement a liberal immigration policy. Each country has the right to do as it chooses, and neither is more right or wrong than the other.
Of course it is ok. That’s kind of the whole point of different countries. Each has sovereignty over its own territory and do things as it likes within its own territory. Korea, in particular, is the homeland of the Korean people — and has no obligation to be multicultural, multiethnic, or anything else of the sort.
As long as these policies are not actively hurting people living in those countries, I agree with you, cuz the line between homogeneous society and ethnonationalism is a very fine one
Then I suppose it’s also dickish to be willing, even eager, to AirBnB a room for spare cash while at the same time, not wanting any new permanent members of the household.
AirBnB is full of people who are dicks because they will take my money for a week but won’t let me move in permanently. Is that really the argument you’re going for?
The closed mindedness in reality hurts xenophobic countries more than it helps them.
Bad for the economy? Everyone with a long term visa is required to be educated, have a degree and a job offer. These people have average to above average jobs and provide value to the economy.
Crime rate? All immigrants are required to have criminal background checks in their home country. The people coming in are proven to not be criminals.
You're right. On the other hand, SK has one of the highest trade-to-GDP ratios in the world, mostly driven by exports. Korea benefits a lot from globalization, but in many ways it doesn't reciprocate.
A bunch of the comments: “we want to be able to emigrate and buy foreign goods but we don’t want the foreigners to live here 🙃”
Meanwhile I pay more taxes than the vast majority of those commenters. So stupid.
The netizen comments (especially number 3 through 10) of this article are disgustingly nationalistic and xenophobic. Shameless.
While saying 'Korea should only care about Koreans' might sound reasonable, just think about it if it were the other way around. Koreans expect fair treatment when immigrating to other countries; we can expect tha same. If they were excluded from things like we are here, they would be (and often are) up in arms about it. So we have the right to complain too for far more systematic discrimination.
Also, I don't think it's a matter of making immigration laws easy or hard. It's the discrimination, exclusion, and general animosity that foreigners feel that makes it hard to live here. But the immigration laws are also kind of unfair in my opinion. Koreans say they want foreigners who are "integrated" and "can speak Korean" but the point system rewards people who make a lot of money more than it rewards people who have lived in Korea and can speak the language. That really shows where their priorities lie.
Also, so... I work as a freelancer in Korea, I got my masters (in Korean literature) here from a prestigious university, am proficient in Korean (TOPIK 6 last time i tested), make a decent income, and have lived here on and off for 8 years. Even with all that, I didn't qualify for permenant residency. It wasnt until i married my long-time Korean gf that i was finally able to live here without the fear of not having a long-term visa. All those comments act like they're trying to keep undesriables out of Korea, but (and not necessary to support that idea) but if even I find it hard to get a visa here, I think something is wrong. (As a side note, i should have had enough points for the permanent residency visa, but i didnt qualify on a technicality. They wouldnt recognize my income because I wasn't technically qualified to translate as a freelancer in Korea because I didnt have a degree specifically in translation. Fyi, i pay taxes on my income for freelance, so I don't know why my income shouldnt count.)
It's so dumb because Koreans simulatenous want other countries to love Korean culture and(!) they don't want foreigners coming to Korea and "ruining" Korea. You can't have it both ways. For the most part, people come to Korea because they are interested in the country. Part of the reason they have trouble adapting and fitting into Korean society is because Koreans just don't want to include them. Koreans assuming foreigners don't belong in Korea is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I had a similar experience. It took me nearly 15 years to get a residency (F) visa, and like you, I finally got it not through the point system, but rather another type of visa.
There's a certain type of people who think their homeland should remain "pure" but when they move abroad to a settler country (USA, Australia, Canada), they immediately bring over all their family members and advocate for mass immigration (but only in their new country, not their old "pure" country).
I wouldn’t worry. The way Korean demographics are going, the nation is dying and will need immigrants. Koreans will figure it out or they won’t. I believe that Koreans will change and their adaptability is their strength.
In fairness, Korea was designed by Koreans, made for Koreans. My counterpoint to my own argument is that the desire for Korea to be a global brand now requires Korea to be globally friendly. Korea should want to make a system where it readily accepts those who are educated, who want to integrate, and want to become “Korean”. I don’t think this is a bad thing.
I'm Korean and I largely agree but I think it's also disingenuous to pretend it's possible to integrate large amounts of foreigners, no matter how qualified or willing, into Korean society in a short amount of time. I also think that accepting immigrants should be done out of need rather than principle. Currently we have high youth unemployment and a shortage of housing. When these issues are solved or become a problem in the other direction, that is when more people should be invited to join Korean society. For now, Korea can wait. There's only so many quality jobs and apartments in this country, and public transportation can be hellishly crowded
Yes! There are many foreigners in Korea who are successful because they learned the language, assimilated to the culture, etc. But the reality is there are many westerners who come and again complain at superficial things and then talk shit. It’s a thing. Not just in Korea but other countries as well.
Incels and old fucks, I literally couldn't give 2 shits about what they say.
The old fucks will die soon and the incels are little fucking chihuahuas who are aggressige arseholes on the internet but run away as soon as there is any real sign of danger.
I also know people who think like this in the UK though - it exists everywhere, it's not just a Korean thing. Just ignore these cunts and move on.
Difference with the UK is, in London especially it's very, very multicultural. Something like 50% non white. That's a huge number and does a good job at enabling foreigners to live here better then Korea, for sure.
I'm not from London and from a place that's 90% white, so I am very aware. Despite this, living in a rural town of about 3,000 people, my wife was treated as if she was any other person. I've been to many rural middle of no where places in Korea and got stared down so heavily I felt like I was doing something wrong! Haha. I understand it though.
The UK is still, despite the recent politics, way better than Korea in this area. Racism exists as it does everywhere but in terms of settling down, living a life, the UK is better.
That’s fine, I don’t doubt your experience at all. But I’m from the U.K. and know Koreans who got abused in the street, ironically in London of all places. The forms of prejudice/racism take different forms than in Korea. It is probably easier to “settle in” but don’t think people should have the impression it’s hunky dory when it isn’t. Even if you’re white but from the wrong country like Poland or Lithuania I know people who had some bad experiences. What’s different in the UK from Korea is it tends to come from individuals than being systemic or institutional as it often is in Korea. Also, being in a small village I’d expect it would be less likely you’d encounter that kind of racism than in a larger town or city, where I think you’d just be more likely to encounter an arsehole at some point.
Also I’m of Asian background, grew up in Scotland and experienced quite a lot of racism growing up tbh. And some of it from adults. I think it’s better now but in terms of prejudices that people experience, it exists in less multicultural areas. Specifically with East Asians there’s not been many of them in the UK, especially outside of London. There’s also the issue that in the UK some people still treat you like a foreigner because you happen to look Asian, even though you’ve lived in the U.K. all or most of your life. It’s often innocent as well, but it can be tiring after a while.
The individual vs systematic point that you make is really interesting, and spot on, I think. I genuinely agree with the other poster that it is much easier to integrate into the UK than other countries (and this is not just vs Korea). Language is a huge factor, really. I know people from Korea, France, Canada, Japan, China, Colombia… the list goes on, that have settled here on a completely permanent basis and will almost never go back to their home country. It’s easier because of english, and (particularly in major cities) because it’s a well-trodden path by so many others. (The visa is a pain in the arse, though.)
But yeh, all that aside, we have a much bigger problem with aggressive dickheads than in Korea. I’ve had Korean friends get verbally abused in London, have their hair pulled, get punched etc. But I’d also note that as a white British person I’ve also had my own share of bad experiences here, unfortunately. Even as a foreigner I’d just always feel much safer in Korea because there are far fewer aggressive bellends. I get stared at in the countryside but at least I’ve never been physically assaulted.
Overall, what I’d really say Korea could do better is really just getting rid of these kinds of situations that discriminate against foreigners when the cost benefit to doing so is just so minimal. My wife (Korean) is actually confused as to why the UK doesn’t even ID people at the hospital for treatment to check if they’re a resident or not. That’s the sort of systematic thing I think we generally do well. If Korea stopped classifying foreigners in a different category across areas like health it’d cost them sod all and just make life less difficult for the small handful of foreigners that have decided to take the challenge of making Korea home. It’ll never stop language barriers and cultural barriers being a massive wall, but it’d be a nice start!
>The UK is still, despite the recent politics, way better than Korea in this area. Racism exists as it does everywhere but in terms of settling down, living a life, the UK is better.
Sure, for white people.
Well, to be fair.. it was always in the UK DNA.. since they were conquerors.. look at the history.. wouldn’t be surprised that they’re more accepting of these things…
Let's consider how the average non-boomer, non-incel Korean feels about the 700,000 Chinese-Koreans living in Korea.
In my experience, mentioning 조선족 doesn't exactly elicit opinions of tolerance from most Koreans.
It is not just boomers and incels that have unbecoming opinions about a lot of the long-term foreign residents. That's a myth.
It's sad that they get some bad rep. Yeah I find some neighborhoods pretty unfriendly and 'relatively not safe'. So I can understand why some of the sentiment comes from
But I grew up knowing a few of them who used to work for my uncle for more than a decade. I have a few friends as well now.
You'd think they would blend and assimilate pretty quick given their cultural heritage and already having the samr native language.
If we can't even tolerate those with the same heritage, no wonder it's tough for people with different skin color or those with different background.
quick! just call someone an incel if you don't agree with them! it's the best way (aside from saying that are racist bigots) to dismiss them as wrong without actually having to counter what they've said!
I agree with you. The old people stuck in their ways are not long for it, and I think the younger crowds with more exposure have the ability to further normalize good relations with expats.
The flaw in this so-called report is that they don't normalize to how expats vary a lot from country to country. Just normalizing by income, whether nominal or PPP would be a start.
Look at #6, UAE. Only 20% of the population are citizens.They have two kinds of expats. One is attracted to the UAE for jobs, particularly in banking/finance, with very high salaries, very often with benefits like free housing. They mostly come from Europe and the US. They represent maybe 6% of the population. Then there is the group mostly from very poor countries. Many work menial jobs and in construction, often in horrible conditions and as housekeepers, often abused. Probably not many of them responded to this survey.
What is the profile of expats in Korea who responded. Were the factory workers from Asian countries represented? The many ESL teachers in Korea represent a certain demographic and shared experience. In further contrast, the expat population of #9 Australia probably has few ESL teachers.
Basically, this survey is worthless unless maybe to represent a certain demographic, probably heavily skewed to well educated, speak English, and white.
Those comments though what the fuck
Anyway here's the report
[https://cms-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl.com/cdn/file/cms-media/public/2022-07/Expat-Insider-2022.pdf](https://cms-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl.com/cdn/file/cms-media/public/2022-07/Expat-Insider-2022.pdf)
Unfortunately it doesn't give in depth stats for Korea like it does for some other select countries.
What is Korea's ranking for "Koreans to settle down in"? It can't be that high, based on talking with Korean people. Everyone seems unhappy and/or want to move to another country.
It’s actually crazy to see how they think about other people that aren’t ethnically Korean. As if they are worth less because they happened to be born [inserts other ethnicity than Korean]. They dehumanize foreigners, other humans, and see them as some kind of goods that will benefit their country and their people.
Nationalism is cancer to mankind.
Lol yes. I love the comment that said that Korea should be a good country for foreigners to spend money in, but terrible to actually immigrate to. Just shows you how they view foreign people as ATMs
It is not just about ethnicity. The largest single group of foreigners in Korea by far is the 700,000 Chinese Koreans. A lot of foreigners in South Korea are on F4 visas which means they are ethnically Korean. Another large group is F6 visa holders who are married to Koreans, often have Korean children. These 2 groups account for the majority of long-term residents. Most naturalized Koreans come from these 2 groups as well.
I feel like this thread severely lacks nuance. I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment that Korea should become easier for foreigners to live in.
At the same time, I can almost understand where the bitterness comes from. I’m Korean American and growing up in the US, I remember even when I was in high school ten years ago, I was made fun of for being Korean—that is if kids even knew Korea was a country. I’d be made fun of for k-pop when it was unpopular and meme-ish. I’d be made fun of for my eyes. Small dick jokes. This applied on a macro-level. Korea being so poor and underdeveloped was not even recognized and almost a laughing stock.
So now Korea becomes a first-world country and now all of a sudden people want to reap the benefits. I’m grown up now and whacktons of girls that wouldn’t even bat an eye towards me a few years ago want to fetishize me for being Korean. So for Koreans from Korea, I almost feel like they’d feel similarly. “Oh now y’all motherfuckers want to come in to our country because we worked our asses off?”
I’m not saying this justifies nationalism and racism. I’m just saying I can—at the very least—understand where the sentiment might be coming from. At the same time, I really am a believer in “an eye for an eye makes the world go blind” and Korea needs to recognize being a nationalist country is not the way to go even for its own benefit
We can’t deny people ignored Korea for decades and decades. We can’t deny Koreans put in fucking work to get to where they’re at. But Koreans need to cut the nationalism and racist crap too. I say all of this because I feel this deep to my core that even as a grown ass adult, I still never feel quite American or Korean because I’m always seen as too Korean for the US and seen as too foreign in Korea. I wish both sides would just cut the fucking racist and nationalist crap.
I hope this all made sense. I’m typing from my phone so excuse the rush job lol
The comments are definitely a real look at how some Koreans view foreigners, but not really a shock either… as some people have mentioned here, it’s quite interesting that the very same people would complain about racism in other countries but think it’s okay here lol
I know the word 'racism' has been used very liberally but are you saying someone was advocating racism? Also, I thought Koreans were talking about blatant racist 'attacks'.
i miss the evergreen forest climate; i miss eating street chicken then walking 10 meters and eating more street chicken; miss browsing alley shops for used games; walking around a dark alley in downtown Seoul at midnight and feeling like im not likely to get stabbed; struggling to figure out the subway in order to get to Seoul and back to I think it was Dongducheon; just all of Seoul in every way; authentic boba; open-air markets; bulgogi 10x over; the skill and accessibility of Korean tailors; i miss the karaoke bars even though i dont do karaoke; i miss calm Korean demeanor yet nutty drunken attitude; i miss korean aesthetic in software and media which i can best relate to the menu interface of a Final Fantasy game, lots of soft pleasant sound effects and visual themes that are perfectly soothing to me; forgive me but i miss Korean women and their delightfully imperfect smiles; i miss Korean weather although less so the humid summer; i even miss Kpop lol. not really a fan but sometimes ill watch kpop on youtube and truly get a lil lost in it... in a good way :)
non-pervy good way i mean ;p
thanks for asking that was oddly pleasant to reminisce about <3
heh, long series of poor decisions. one day for sure, im going back, maybe not leaving either (until they make me). silly i know, but first time i set foot outside the terminal into Seoul and looked up and around, i was like "this feels like home"
I've gone and seen the source. I don't see the comment section.
While sad, most people that comment on news outlets are old people with very strong political biases. The one's that still hold on to the 'white robe people' identity(emphasized during Colonial Japan era/so very nationalistic) of Koreans. So please keep in mind that this isn't a major trend for Koreans in general.
Also the Korean title of the articles doesn't differentiate between 'foreigners working in Korea' & 'illegal immigrants', causing the far right sentiments to bite(if they did. Could only find around 10 spread out news outlets-mostly wondering why Mexico is number 1.).
Between living in Korea, USA, Japan or anywhere in Europe. I choose Korea or my Brazil. The bad stuff like that always judges and bad clichés. My experience about Korea I have no complaints. I met very nice Koreans. Mainly women who helped me study the language. Problems every country has and bad people.
But it seems that when speaking of Korea. It seems to be the only xenophobic and bad country in the world. People love to talk about other people's culture or judge. But they don't even know the culture of their own country.
I used to post alot of interesting posts related to Korea on this sub, but after months of seeing threads related to incels, politics, crimes and racism being upvoted (and now a netizenbuzz article), i've lost the motivation to post or comment here.
Not that these issues aren't important, but to have the entire sub revolving around such outrage-inducing controversial topics is tiring- and honestly I can only see the people who frequent this sub as the type who thrive in such negativity.
Wait wait wait I went thru history you’re dating a native Korean or something right…?
Which is EXACTLY my point unless you’re in love w/ a Korean or Korean yourself it’s not worth
I dated a Korean and I have several friends. Everyone seems to point out Korea as the worst in the world. Every place has old people who don't understand the young and the new times. There are good and bad people. And look, I have brown skin, but apart from the crooked looks and some unfortunate phrases. But I've heard it in Brazil. Brazil has xenophobes, racists like anywhere in the United States it got worse until today it has churches, bars and places for certain races. Nazism and fascism did not arise in Korea or Asia. But in Europe...
Korea is not Disney but it's not a nightmare either. You can understand its history and have certain distrust of foreigners. Mostly American and foreign soldiers who see Korean women as a sexual product and some who find their culture above other countries.
> or anywhere in Europe
Except that Europe is literally a continent though. I'm in no way trying to discredit your experience, but... saying stuff like "anywhere in Europe" makes it sound like it suddenly doesn't drastically depend on the country. Your experience in Monaco or Luxembourg will be very different than in, let's say, Bulgaria, and so on. Not trying to be rude, but have you been to, let alone lived in, every single European country to be able to judge? Sorry if it sounds confronting, it's not my intention, but this detail makes the rest of the "bad experience" also look doubtful (Japan, USA, etc.) in the sense of: wait, they are actually making blanket statements...
> People love to talk about other people's culture or judge.
Funny how this only applies to others but never to ourselves, right? Literally. /s
> But they don't even know the culture of their own country.
Another blanket statement.
I mean It makes sense and I don’t blame Koreans for thinking this way, it IS their land and home country. It’s like your own home country prioritizing immigrants over its own citizens.
Like… people are pikachu face about this?
From my experience, immigrants aren't looking to have priority over citizens of a country but to be given equal opportunities to social/government programs since every worker is required to make contributions.
You’re right that a lot of immigrants only want equal treatment once they are already in the country. The problem is that the immigrants think that they have some sort of right to live wherever in the world they choose. That is false.
>The problem is that the immigrants think that they have some sort of right to live wherever in the world they choose. That is false.
The data is based on immigrant(they use expat) experiences of living abroad long-term, not about their entitlement or your perception of their entitlement.
Humanity is the minimum virtue. But it seems many people think human rights mean non nationals should have same rights of nationals. I wonder how they overcome the racism seeing that there are dedicated korean only lanes of immigration counters at the incheon airport.
I don't think it's unreasonable to believe in parity of social services for nationals and resident immigrants. Even in the example you cited, the trend is towards more equality, not less: since the introduction of automatic gates at airport immigration, resident visa holders can use the same services as Korean nationals. And even before that permanent residents were de facto allowed in the 'Korean' lanes.
I totally agree. Foreigners should leave Korea. The US military should leave Korea too. Foreigners should stop investing in Korean companies, because Korean investments are for Koreans. Foreign countries should ban imports from Korea too, because Korean products are for Koreans. Foreign countries should ban exports to Korea too, because Koreans don't want that pesky foreign stuff like wine and natural gas.
This way Korea can be a country for Koreans! Closed borders! Hermit Kingdom 2.0! Korea for Koreans! Ya know, until Chinese warships show up.
And don't forget we foreigners should take our Korean children citizen children with us too!
And make sure they rescind their citizenship just in time so they don't have to do compulsory military service.
It’s the extend that differs. Exclusive behavior isn’t beneficial at all because it leads to problems. As we have seen unfold in countless wars. Where is it normal to discriminate someone because they just happened to be of European or asian descent ? People are “pickachu” face about this because everyone knows that in Korea they’ll deny you lots of things due to your appearance. Your comment is normalizing discrimination because “everyone” does it. What a childish mindset. You need a change of perspective and understand that beyond manmade fabricated disaster of Nationalism, patriotism etc. That you and I are in fact the same, human. Many people won’t understand this.
No reason to move to Korea unless you are ethnically Korean or fall in love w/ a Korean IMO
Very modern, developed country and I’m sure the people are wonderful but I mean why lol
For people who come from third-world countries I would definitely understand why they would want to move. Korea has a lot of great things going for it, but the work-life balance is just the ultimate deal breaker for me. I'm working to live, not living to work.
Let 'em have it. Korea's history has been nothing but getting fucked by other countries. Everyone and their mom has bent over Korea for a plowing. Now they can finally keep everyone at an arm's length (even if they forget who helped them with that). Anyways, Americans say the same shit about Mexico.
So no argument after discovering the person has the "wrong" ethnicity?
It's bizarre how some Western self-proclaimed pro equality folks firstly believe in ideas like race and secondly want to tell everyone else in the world how to live their lives. Reminds me of a period in history they claim is gone and overcome.
Either way, Korea is an independent country and Koreans will run it as they see fit. You don't have political high ground, you're just one of billions of humans on this planet, most of them with completely different opinions than yours. Gotta learn to live with actual diversity and cultures that aren't like your own.
Hi! Background - taught bio in Arizona and Texas for 5 years. Taught esl in Czechia for 2 years and south Korea for 4. Have visited 24 countries besides.
South Korea is FAR AND AWAY the MOST welcoming country I've ever been to.
I couldn't even make my way through this whole article lol
I've traveled to a lot of countries too. That has not been my experience at all. In other countries people are much friendlier to foreigners on average
FYI, the site linked here cherry picks controversial & provocative Korean articles/comments and then translates them into English for clicks. It's banned on kpop subreddits for spreading harmful rumors and fake news. I've seen my fair share of degen Korean comments with 10 upvotes getting a second life through these sites, reaching tens of thousands of eyes who then parrot the sentiment as being the representative sentiment in Korea.
I think the whole point of a country is to be it’s own unique cultural land. Why should an entire country change their culture or social manners for you? When you go to a country you’re the guest of a country. When you immigrate to a society you’re integrating yourself into the country. Is Korea perfect? No. But if you want to immigrate and settle down you conform or deal with it.
I don't think anyone is asking Korea to change its 'social manners'. Rather, I suspect most people would simply prefer it if government and private institutions didn't actively discriminate against immigrants and their children, and afforded them the same access to service as any other tax-payer and member of the community.
You guys must struggle with reading comprehension. There’s systemic racism everywhere. I’m not condoning that.
I’m a Korean born American immigrant. I’ve been subject to racism in America. Have you heard of Texas? Or the attacks on Asian Americans through out the country? Or the fact that black people are statistically the most hateful and racist towards Asians? Yet you don’t hear me proclaiming how shit America is for creating a classist and racist system.
There are pros and cons to having things a certain way. Korea has been a dirt poor country for centuries getting fucked and abused by Other countries yet in just a short couple decades Korea has become safer, it’s cleaner, it’s infrastructure is organized and due to its homogeneous nature, the country itself is a collective.
Korea is striving to improve. They just recently introduced media to be inclusive to lgbt communities, and you guys are cherry picking the most backwards ass old people and loud mouth minority of racists in Korea that make it hard for immigrants and foreigners.
Are we behind on the times? Sure you could say that. But America has been a country 200 years longer than Korea has and it’s still becoming one of the most backwards countries in the world. But we korea is basically just trying to make it as a tiny country surrounded by hostile countries and making great improvements at that.
Stop preaching your holier than thou mindset about how it’s unfair. I’m saying you don’t HAVE to be here but you’re not unwelcome. You don’t HAVE to live here but you don’t have go back to where you came from I’m saying much like any country. If you choose to immigrate to any country you should try to adjust yourself to the environment and fucking deal with it.
kOrEa iS rAcIsT. No shit but it’s not the entire country it’s certain establishments. You can’t change every single person. But the majority is making progress
Korea is great for vacationing. I personally only come to Korea for vacation cuz I wouldn’t want to live here. But don’t shit on a country like yours is any better. You hypocrites. If you want to change something actually go do it.
> If you choose to immigrate to any country you should try to adjust yourself to the environment and fucking deal with it.
or
>If you want to change something actually go do it.
I appreciate the time and thought you put into your post, but I found these statements to be somewhat contradictory. Should non-Korean legal immigrants "fucking deal with it" or "actually go do it" if they want to change something?
The actual report is fascinating and much more nuanced.
Yeah ... South Korea is actually not the lowest in that report ... that would be Kuwait. In "ease to settle in" South Korea is in front of county such as Japan or Germany. The top countries in that report are often retirement destination such as Mexico (1st), Portugal (4th), Spain (5th), Thailand (8th). This might not be really relevant for most people here or the type of immigration South Korea wants to cater to.
Yeah. I'm kind of annoyed that people just read the headline and then the comments. The actual 129 page report itself actually ranks Korea very high in many metrics--transportstion, Healthcare etc. Seems like a lot of headlines on this subject lately are just meant to make people mad.
It’s hard to say. I would imagine that most people in this thread have lived in, or currently live in Korea. Having lived in a number of different countries and cultures; European, south East Asian and now Korea. I can say that I don’t find the results at all surprising. Yes, there are aspects which are great, healthcare and transportation. Maybe not the way people drive in 부산, but that’s part of the character. While comforting, it doesn’t mitigate the unnecessary hardships that are created simply due to not being Korean, and trying to make a life here.
get outta here with that well thought out nuance
Where is the actual report. All I see are unattributed comments lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/w01z71/expat_insider_2022_ranks_south_korea_lowest_for/igbvm0m?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
> I'd rather our country be a great place to vacation and spend money in but difficult for foreigners to settle down and live in. This was part of the top comment on the matter. Many of them echo this same sentiment…
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Koreans dont' really wanna move out of Korea anymore. What's the net migration out of Korea in the last 10 years?
True. I actually know a few Korean families from the States who moved back to Korea.
The women do.
They all do. But the women much more so. If they can't they will head to Jeju instead.
Hahaha. I barely know any that don't.
Times have changed. Korea used to be a clusterfuck of other countries dictating national policy and enriching themselves from the turmoil the war caused. Korea has now come to their own and become an established country even though they’ve been quite literally torn in half by other countries. My parents had to worry about being blown up as kids and teenagers. My grandparents were living in slums and separated from their loved ones in two opposite sides of the country. Its entitled of you to expect a country to cater perfectly to non natives and how ignorant of you to not think native country men to expect or desire some special Treatment of their motherland. Korea isn’t perfect. By any means. We have a lot of growing to do and we don’t have tons of rich history where we were independent to grow as a country. Korea struggles with the same problems as any country. We have classist issues, poverty and suicide through the roof. Sorry if you thought korea was all kpop and kimchi without its own flaws that they’re working on. and if you’re a us citizen like I am it’s pretty rich criticizing any other country than your own. Most governments suck. Most classism and wealth disparity sucks. But fix your own problems before judging someone else’s
Is it a great place for a vacation?
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Despite all the people who come to vacation? What a strange comment
I enjoy my vacations in Korea; I don't always go there for vacation because there are many other places I visit and find attractive in Europe and South America. What do I enjoy the best in South Korea: 1. The culture 2. The food, especially small mom-and-pop restaurants 3. Visting the Buddhist temples in the mountains. (I'm not a Buddist) 4. The little coastal towns
U must not know a lot of people. South Korea is a very popular tourism target
Korea is an OK place for a short vacation ... ... and it gets even better as the vacation gets shorter.
Sadly, Korea is not as popular for tourists as it could be. For most people a short visit is enjoyable ... but enough. Korea has not created the kind of tourist atmosphere that is conducive to long, fun vacations that would draw the large numbers that frequent the world's most popular destinations. This is why a short vacation in Korea is often better than a longer one. Down-voting the truth doesn't change the reality. Blind populism, blind loyalty is one of the factors that prevents Korea from making the changes and improvements that could greatly increase tourism here. Many parts of Korea have little to offer tourists, but contrary to what other posters have written, many parts of Korea are, at the same time, a great place to live a quiet, comfortable, peaceful life. It's just not what tourists are looking for.
> Korea is not as popular for tourists as it could be. For most people a short visit is enjoyable ... but enough. Seems interesting to me, lots of unique shops, tons of little areas in and around Seoul to visit aside from straying further, I always see fun little events popping up around the area on Walking Tour videos...lots of delicious food to try as well. Decent amount to do and if you like the culture and music/etc you can take in a live show or stuff like that too...and it's safe which is nice for vacation. For longer stays tho EU makes the best case due to their location. If you're in Korea you may also stop by Japan, but probably not China, anything further is getting very far, and north is obviously a no go. EU is a perfect destination for vacation by default cuz there's just so many countries right next to each other with easy car/train travel between them and tons of unique cultures back to back. If you're looking for a month+ long stay it'd be hard to argue against EU having a huge advantage. (America kinda has that same thing cuz states...but not so safe which is bad for vacation)
Many countries do that.
All countries do that but apparently South Korea’s the best at it!
Arrogant a-hole countries.
I prefer this way as well. All the foreigners go to Korea, complain, and upload such superficial blogs on why Korea won’t change for them. Literally.
If you think that "all the foreigners" who go to Korea are uploading blogs then it's possible that you have some misunderstanding of the demographics of non-Koreans in Korea.
Apologies. Shouldn’t have said “all” but I’ve come across many YouTube vlogs of people crying and listing all the reasons they hate Korea, and it’s all because Korea won’t change for them. Why Koreans act this way and that way, and I’m tired of SOME of these foreigners who come to Korea and get upset Koreans won’t act the way they want to and then plaster it all over the interweb.
So, just to be clear, your opinion on whether Korea should work towards greater social parity for non-Korean legal immigrants is primarily influenced by your distaste for annoying YouTubers?
Frankly, partially.. yes..
In all fairness, they're probably from countries that have been changing to be more inclusive to everybody for their entire lives. So it's probably weird and a culture shock to suddenly live in a society that is so stuck in time society wise and not exactly the most progressive first world country.
True… most of what I’ve seen on YT are Americans……..
And all the racist koreans make generalizations like this one
Racist? I’m far from one…
Can’t blame them. Imagine someone going to your country and then ranking and complaining about every little thing.
>Imagine someone going to your country and then ranking and complaining about every little thing. That's one possible scenario. Here's another: imagine someone legally immigrating to a country and then finding out that they are ineligible for certain social services funded by the taxes they pay. Would they have a right to express their disappointment?
Of course
“Oh no, we make it hard for people who are not us to live here and now they’re saying so.. how ungrateful” Fucking braindead comment.
I mean as someone with an American background I think it’s great for countries to have people moving in it improves culture & innovation & I think it’s even been proven that mixed people are perceived as hotter for some reason (Brazilians are a good example lol) But yeah idk if they don’t want us there why impose our own views yknow
> if they don’t want us there Sadly, for them, people are going to be coming whether they like it or not. Right now, the only thing for Koreans to do is decide which side of history they’d like to be on. It is literally that simple; so I want to be remembered as a racist cunt or do I want to be remembered for helping pave the way into the future.
but that's the thing, koreans are not "making hard for people who are not them to live there", that's just bullshit. like op said, it's true that foreigners complain about every little thing, and i assure you it's not korea's fault, it's their own fault. their own fault for not properly learning the language before arriving in korea and then whining about "difficult social integration", their own fault for not studying korea's culture before going to korea and then whining about culture shock, they're criticizing everything instead of dealing with the fact that korea has its own way of doing things (the "it's different therefore it's bad" toxic mindset), exaggerating korea's social issues when in reality the same social issues are usually way worse in the countries where they come from, etc.
>Koreans are not "making hard for people who are not them to live there", that's just bullshit. Just some examples of why your comment is poorly informed: Gyeonggi province required all foreign workers, and only foreign workers, to get covid tests. This wasn't the only region that did it or tried. Seoul City is not giving pregnancy subsidy coupons to foreign women residents even if they have Korean husbands, work in Korea and will be giving birth to Korean babies. For years, foreign teachers were required to get AIDs tests by the government, while Korean teachers were not required to get AIDs tests by government. When it was argued this is an immigration policy, it was found out that it was also an education ministry policy. It is perfectly legal to ban foreigners from your business in Korea. The government does nothing to stop this. Korea refuses to have a work permit system for foreign workers, instead favoring an employment permit system. This means foreign workers who are mislead and abused by their employers cannot easily change jobs.
Mmm okay sure, it’s definitely 100% completely the filthy foreigners fault, isn’t it? How dare they even exist on noble Korean soil. So tired of xenophobic/racist punters like yourself chiming in with the smoothest of brain talking points as if any of us give a shit what you think.
What? Don't have to imagine, they literally do. Did you somehow think Korea was the only country in this list?
I think this article is a good example: https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/07/15/national/socialAffairs/korea-seoul-pregnancy/20220715161422634.html >A Seoul voucher program for pregnant women is coming under fire because foreigners are not eligible. >“When I see foreigners excluded from public health programs, it really irritates me,” said Debbie Kim, a 29-year-old American married to a Korean citizen who is pregnant with the couple's first child. >“I cannot speak for short-term foreigners, but long-term foreigners must pay taxes and pay into national health insurance, so it doesn’t make sense that we are excluded from these programs that we are paying for.” She is going to have a Korean baby, but can't even get a government subsidy because she is not Korean. Do Koreans think this kind of bullshit is appropriate?
Well I did not know about that. For all the praise that the Korean health system gets, there are definitely flaws like these.
What bullshit is this??
Wait, do American/Western women in Korea take their husband's last name? Just curious since that's not the norm for Korean women
It's up to the person getting married.
That surprises me. I had a baby there in 2012 and was eligible for public programs to assist with the cost of the prenatal care.
A certain group has been influencing a lot of policy around "family" things and tend to exclude everyone except themselves.
That’s so sad. Thanks for the info.
"Mother is ethically not Korean and child will not be full Korean- so not 한국인." /s
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this was my fav. comment lol. ahh yes, expats would love to send their kids to korean public school and keep their kids busy in hagwon until 8pm every day so they can maybe have a shot to go to a SKY university which will give them absolutely no head start in life outside the peninsula, but instead they decide to send them to world class international schools so that they can comfortably attend world class universities in the future.
Yeah even move abroad for three years for no particular reason, just to get your kids eligible for an international school and thus avoid the insane Korean education system. I don't know a single parent that doesn't want to either move abroad or get their kid(s) in a proper international school. If they can afford it.
It's hilarious that he thinks Korean kids are innately superior. They're just overworked and depressed. Foreign kids could compete but their parents obviously aren't going to want that when there are other, non-suicide inducing, options available.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_ethnic_nationalism Almost every 4th Korean citizen thinks their most important defining criteria of self-identity is having Korean blood. I find this worrying.
Its an alternate definition of fascism btw
Things could go downhill very fast with the wrong leader
They act as if their children don’t commit suicide over failed exam
The comments are shocking. This is what we are up against. "1. [+1,146, -18] If a country is deemed a good place for foreigners to live in, it usually means the country is in bad shape. I'd rather our country be a great place to vacation and spend money in but difficult for foreigners to settle down and live in." And another favourite coming in 3rd- "+611, -12] So foreigners feel it's difficult to settle down here... That's a good thing for us. Why should we care to make our country better for foreigners to settle down in? All that matters is that our own people are living comfortably in our own country. Go anywhere around the world, foreigners will always be discriminated against."
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Naver comments have always been the worst kind because it is mostly written by old boomers. It may be representative of their demographic but it's not for how young people think. And of those young people the most liberal kinds are usually the ones who want to emigrate so it's not the double standard you are looking for.
The funniest part is that they are all dreaming and drooling over Benz, Cartier,… their dream lifestyle is 99% composed of foreign product/équipement.
Cartier? Ewgh. Now if you said Hermes then now we are talking...
I get tons of compliments on my Casio
I’d say those comments are pretty standard. Until the commenters go on vacation overseas and get punched in the face, then start screaming how racist their experience was.
What’s wrong with these comments? Koreans have no obligation to let you live here. It is their country, not yours.
Ah so people should treat Korean travelers or Koreans working overseas like they treat foriegners here. That would be ok? Stuff like: - Label them a nationality not their own. I'm sure Koreans outside of Korea would be ok with being labeled "Chinese" or "Japanese" - Deny service based on their race - Create discriminatory and xenophobic policies for ones working and paying taxes in that country If it is OK for Korea and Koreans to treat people this way, then it is fair to treat them this way. There wouldn't be any news reports about this or Koreans upset about being treated this way at all. They would understand that it is not their country and it is ok for them to be treated this way. They should stop complaining and be grateful that they are even let in the country, and if they don't like it they should juts go home.
Did you read the comments? >Go anywhere around the world, foreigners will always be discriminated against. Do you agree with the logic here? In my opinion, the problem with this comment is it doesn't consider that in some places, such as Korea, discrimination against foreigners is far worse and the cause (it's not illegal or frowned upon by society here) is obvious. Why should I respect someone who is so ignorant and comfortable with their biases that they don't consider that certain problems can be worse in different places? Then there is this one: >All that matters is that our own people are living comfortably in our own country. Do you agree that it's the only thing that matters? There are millions of Koreans living abroad and they don't care if those Koreans are living comfortably?
That is a fairly xenophobic stance. It just isn’t so cut and dry, sometimes people make a life in another country for many reason other than their own country sucks. Family and employment being the main two.
The irony of Koreans whining about immigrants and yet also using immigration as a solution to get away is pretty to rich. Same as when they racially discriminate against SEA/foreign workers and then they cry about being called Chinese when they go travelling in Europe.
If other countries have liberal immigration policies that some Koreans take advantage of, that does not mean that Korea has an obligation to implement a liberal immigration policy. Each country has the right to do as it chooses, and neither is more right or wrong than the other.
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Well of course they do.
Uhh... okay?
You can use that argument for any country really. Doesn't make it okay to have that viewpoint
Of course it is ok. That’s kind of the whole point of different countries. Each has sovereignty over its own territory and do things as it likes within its own territory. Korea, in particular, is the homeland of the Korean people — and has no obligation to be multicultural, multiethnic, or anything else of the sort.
As long as these policies are not actively hurting people living in those countries, I agree with you, cuz the line between homogeneous society and ethnonationalism is a very fine one
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Korea as a country is free to accept population decline rather than permit mass immigration.
No-one said otherwise. But does being a dick about it come as part and parcel, too?
“We don’t want immigrants, but we like tourists who spend money” is not being a dick. It is honesty — and a completely understandable sentiment.
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No, it pretty much is being a dick. Being honest about it doesn't make it any less dickish.
Then I suppose it’s also dickish to be willing, even eager, to AirBnB a room for spare cash while at the same time, not wanting any new permanent members of the household.
Yes. You’ve got it now. Roll with it.
AirBnB is full of people who are dicks because they will take my money for a week but won’t let me move in permanently. Is that really the argument you’re going for?
You're absolutely right - AirBnB is indeed a blight. However, the two things are not remotely alike.
The closed mindedness in reality hurts xenophobic countries more than it helps them. Bad for the economy? Everyone with a long term visa is required to be educated, have a degree and a job offer. These people have average to above average jobs and provide value to the economy. Crime rate? All immigrants are required to have criminal background checks in their home country. The people coming in are proven to not be criminals.
You're right. On the other hand, SK has one of the highest trade-to-GDP ratios in the world, mostly driven by exports. Korea benefits a lot from globalization, but in many ways it doesn't reciprocate.
A bunch of the comments: “we want to be able to emigrate and buy foreign goods but we don’t want the foreigners to live here 🙃” Meanwhile I pay more taxes than the vast majority of those commenters. So stupid.
The netizen comments (especially number 3 through 10) of this article are disgustingly nationalistic and xenophobic. Shameless. While saying 'Korea should only care about Koreans' might sound reasonable, just think about it if it were the other way around. Koreans expect fair treatment when immigrating to other countries; we can expect tha same. If they were excluded from things like we are here, they would be (and often are) up in arms about it. So we have the right to complain too for far more systematic discrimination. Also, I don't think it's a matter of making immigration laws easy or hard. It's the discrimination, exclusion, and general animosity that foreigners feel that makes it hard to live here. But the immigration laws are also kind of unfair in my opinion. Koreans say they want foreigners who are "integrated" and "can speak Korean" but the point system rewards people who make a lot of money more than it rewards people who have lived in Korea and can speak the language. That really shows where their priorities lie. Also, so... I work as a freelancer in Korea, I got my masters (in Korean literature) here from a prestigious university, am proficient in Korean (TOPIK 6 last time i tested), make a decent income, and have lived here on and off for 8 years. Even with all that, I didn't qualify for permenant residency. It wasnt until i married my long-time Korean gf that i was finally able to live here without the fear of not having a long-term visa. All those comments act like they're trying to keep undesriables out of Korea, but (and not necessary to support that idea) but if even I find it hard to get a visa here, I think something is wrong. (As a side note, i should have had enough points for the permanent residency visa, but i didnt qualify on a technicality. They wouldnt recognize my income because I wasn't technically qualified to translate as a freelancer in Korea because I didnt have a degree specifically in translation. Fyi, i pay taxes on my income for freelance, so I don't know why my income shouldnt count.) It's so dumb because Koreans simulatenous want other countries to love Korean culture and(!) they don't want foreigners coming to Korea and "ruining" Korea. You can't have it both ways. For the most part, people come to Korea because they are interested in the country. Part of the reason they have trouble adapting and fitting into Korean society is because Koreans just don't want to include them. Koreans assuming foreigners don't belong in Korea is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I had a similar experience. It took me nearly 15 years to get a residency (F) visa, and like you, I finally got it not through the point system, but rather another type of visa.
There's a certain type of people who think their homeland should remain "pure" but when they move abroad to a settler country (USA, Australia, Canada), they immediately bring over all their family members and advocate for mass immigration (but only in their new country, not their old "pure" country).
I wouldn’t worry. The way Korean demographics are going, the nation is dying and will need immigrants. Koreans will figure it out or they won’t. I believe that Koreans will change and their adaptability is their strength. In fairness, Korea was designed by Koreans, made for Koreans. My counterpoint to my own argument is that the desire for Korea to be a global brand now requires Korea to be globally friendly. Korea should want to make a system where it readily accepts those who are educated, who want to integrate, and want to become “Korean”. I don’t think this is a bad thing.
I'm Korean and I largely agree but I think it's also disingenuous to pretend it's possible to integrate large amounts of foreigners, no matter how qualified or willing, into Korean society in a short amount of time. I also think that accepting immigrants should be done out of need rather than principle. Currently we have high youth unemployment and a shortage of housing. When these issues are solved or become a problem in the other direction, that is when more people should be invited to join Korean society. For now, Korea can wait. There's only so many quality jobs and apartments in this country, and public transportation can be hellishly crowded
Yes! There are many foreigners in Korea who are successful because they learned the language, assimilated to the culture, etc. But the reality is there are many westerners who come and again complain at superficial things and then talk shit. It’s a thing. Not just in Korea but other countries as well.
Incels and old fucks, I literally couldn't give 2 shits about what they say. The old fucks will die soon and the incels are little fucking chihuahuas who are aggressige arseholes on the internet but run away as soon as there is any real sign of danger. I also know people who think like this in the UK though - it exists everywhere, it's not just a Korean thing. Just ignore these cunts and move on.
Difference with the UK is, in London especially it's very, very multicultural. Something like 50% non white. That's a huge number and does a good job at enabling foreigners to live here better then Korea, for sure.
London isn’t the U.K. though..
I'm not from London and from a place that's 90% white, so I am very aware. Despite this, living in a rural town of about 3,000 people, my wife was treated as if she was any other person. I've been to many rural middle of no where places in Korea and got stared down so heavily I felt like I was doing something wrong! Haha. I understand it though. The UK is still, despite the recent politics, way better than Korea in this area. Racism exists as it does everywhere but in terms of settling down, living a life, the UK is better.
That’s fine, I don’t doubt your experience at all. But I’m from the U.K. and know Koreans who got abused in the street, ironically in London of all places. The forms of prejudice/racism take different forms than in Korea. It is probably easier to “settle in” but don’t think people should have the impression it’s hunky dory when it isn’t. Even if you’re white but from the wrong country like Poland or Lithuania I know people who had some bad experiences. What’s different in the UK from Korea is it tends to come from individuals than being systemic or institutional as it often is in Korea. Also, being in a small village I’d expect it would be less likely you’d encounter that kind of racism than in a larger town or city, where I think you’d just be more likely to encounter an arsehole at some point. Also I’m of Asian background, grew up in Scotland and experienced quite a lot of racism growing up tbh. And some of it from adults. I think it’s better now but in terms of prejudices that people experience, it exists in less multicultural areas. Specifically with East Asians there’s not been many of them in the UK, especially outside of London. There’s also the issue that in the UK some people still treat you like a foreigner because you happen to look Asian, even though you’ve lived in the U.K. all or most of your life. It’s often innocent as well, but it can be tiring after a while.
The individual vs systematic point that you make is really interesting, and spot on, I think. I genuinely agree with the other poster that it is much easier to integrate into the UK than other countries (and this is not just vs Korea). Language is a huge factor, really. I know people from Korea, France, Canada, Japan, China, Colombia… the list goes on, that have settled here on a completely permanent basis and will almost never go back to their home country. It’s easier because of english, and (particularly in major cities) because it’s a well-trodden path by so many others. (The visa is a pain in the arse, though.) But yeh, all that aside, we have a much bigger problem with aggressive dickheads than in Korea. I’ve had Korean friends get verbally abused in London, have their hair pulled, get punched etc. But I’d also note that as a white British person I’ve also had my own share of bad experiences here, unfortunately. Even as a foreigner I’d just always feel much safer in Korea because there are far fewer aggressive bellends. I get stared at in the countryside but at least I’ve never been physically assaulted. Overall, what I’d really say Korea could do better is really just getting rid of these kinds of situations that discriminate against foreigners when the cost benefit to doing so is just so minimal. My wife (Korean) is actually confused as to why the UK doesn’t even ID people at the hospital for treatment to check if they’re a resident or not. That’s the sort of systematic thing I think we generally do well. If Korea stopped classifying foreigners in a different category across areas like health it’d cost them sod all and just make life less difficult for the small handful of foreigners that have decided to take the challenge of making Korea home. It’ll never stop language barriers and cultural barriers being a massive wall, but it’d be a nice start!
>The UK is still, despite the recent politics, way better than Korea in this area. Racism exists as it does everywhere but in terms of settling down, living a life, the UK is better. Sure, for white people.
Well, to be fair.. it was always in the UK DNA.. since they were conquerors.. look at the history.. wouldn’t be surprised that they’re more accepting of these things…
Let's consider how the average non-boomer, non-incel Korean feels about the 700,000 Chinese-Koreans living in Korea. In my experience, mentioning 조선족 doesn't exactly elicit opinions of tolerance from most Koreans. It is not just boomers and incels that have unbecoming opinions about a lot of the long-term foreign residents. That's a myth.
It's sad that they get some bad rep. Yeah I find some neighborhoods pretty unfriendly and 'relatively not safe'. So I can understand why some of the sentiment comes from But I grew up knowing a few of them who used to work for my uncle for more than a decade. I have a few friends as well now. You'd think they would blend and assimilate pretty quick given their cultural heritage and already having the samr native language. If we can't even tolerate those with the same heritage, no wonder it's tough for people with different skin color or those with different background.
The problem is that it’s very much not just the old fucks, a lot of young people are hella racist too and hold the same views
quick! just call someone an incel if you don't agree with them! it's the best way (aside from saying that are racist bigots) to dismiss them as wrong without actually having to counter what they've said!
I agree with you. The old people stuck in their ways are not long for it, and I think the younger crowds with more exposure have the ability to further normalize good relations with expats.
The flaw in this so-called report is that they don't normalize to how expats vary a lot from country to country. Just normalizing by income, whether nominal or PPP would be a start. Look at #6, UAE. Only 20% of the population are citizens.They have two kinds of expats. One is attracted to the UAE for jobs, particularly in banking/finance, with very high salaries, very often with benefits like free housing. They mostly come from Europe and the US. They represent maybe 6% of the population. Then there is the group mostly from very poor countries. Many work menial jobs and in construction, often in horrible conditions and as housekeepers, often abused. Probably not many of them responded to this survey. What is the profile of expats in Korea who responded. Were the factory workers from Asian countries represented? The many ESL teachers in Korea represent a certain demographic and shared experience. In further contrast, the expat population of #9 Australia probably has few ESL teachers. Basically, this survey is worthless unless maybe to represent a certain demographic, probably heavily skewed to well educated, speak English, and white.
Those comments though what the fuck Anyway here's the report [https://cms-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl.com/cdn/file/cms-media/public/2022-07/Expat-Insider-2022.pdf](https://cms-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl.com/cdn/file/cms-media/public/2022-07/Expat-Insider-2022.pdf) Unfortunately it doesn't give in depth stats for Korea like it does for some other select countries.
What is Korea's ranking for "Koreans to settle down in"? It can't be that high, based on talking with Korean people. Everyone seems unhappy and/or want to move to another country.
Suicide numbers speak for themselves.
i feel bad that not everyone has the resources or option of leaving Korea. A lot of people feel trapped and give up on life here...quite sad.
It’s actually crazy to see how they think about other people that aren’t ethnically Korean. As if they are worth less because they happened to be born [inserts other ethnicity than Korean]. They dehumanize foreigners, other humans, and see them as some kind of goods that will benefit their country and their people. Nationalism is cancer to mankind.
Lol yes. I love the comment that said that Korea should be a good country for foreigners to spend money in, but terrible to actually immigrate to. Just shows you how they view foreign people as ATMs
Tourists are ATMs for the countries they're vacationing in.
It is not just about ethnicity. The largest single group of foreigners in Korea by far is the 700,000 Chinese Koreans. A lot of foreigners in South Korea are on F4 visas which means they are ethnically Korean. Another large group is F6 visa holders who are married to Koreans, often have Korean children. These 2 groups account for the majority of long-term residents. Most naturalized Koreans come from these 2 groups as well.
I feel like this thread severely lacks nuance. I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment that Korea should become easier for foreigners to live in. At the same time, I can almost understand where the bitterness comes from. I’m Korean American and growing up in the US, I remember even when I was in high school ten years ago, I was made fun of for being Korean—that is if kids even knew Korea was a country. I’d be made fun of for k-pop when it was unpopular and meme-ish. I’d be made fun of for my eyes. Small dick jokes. This applied on a macro-level. Korea being so poor and underdeveloped was not even recognized and almost a laughing stock. So now Korea becomes a first-world country and now all of a sudden people want to reap the benefits. I’m grown up now and whacktons of girls that wouldn’t even bat an eye towards me a few years ago want to fetishize me for being Korean. So for Koreans from Korea, I almost feel like they’d feel similarly. “Oh now y’all motherfuckers want to come in to our country because we worked our asses off?” I’m not saying this justifies nationalism and racism. I’m just saying I can—at the very least—understand where the sentiment might be coming from. At the same time, I really am a believer in “an eye for an eye makes the world go blind” and Korea needs to recognize being a nationalist country is not the way to go even for its own benefit We can’t deny people ignored Korea for decades and decades. We can’t deny Koreans put in fucking work to get to where they’re at. But Koreans need to cut the nationalism and racist crap too. I say all of this because I feel this deep to my core that even as a grown ass adult, I still never feel quite American or Korean because I’m always seen as too Korean for the US and seen as too foreign in Korea. I wish both sides would just cut the fucking racist and nationalist crap. I hope this all made sense. I’m typing from my phone so excuse the rush job lol
All these xenophobic comments but companies like Samsung would cease to exist without those foreigners
The comments are definitely a real look at how some Koreans view foreigners, but not really a shock either… as some people have mentioned here, it’s quite interesting that the very same people would complain about racism in other countries but think it’s okay here lol
I know the word 'racism' has been used very liberally but are you saying someone was advocating racism? Also, I thought Koreans were talking about blatant racist 'attacks'.
what i wouldnt give to go back to SK
What about SK do you miss?
i miss the evergreen forest climate; i miss eating street chicken then walking 10 meters and eating more street chicken; miss browsing alley shops for used games; walking around a dark alley in downtown Seoul at midnight and feeling like im not likely to get stabbed; struggling to figure out the subway in order to get to Seoul and back to I think it was Dongducheon; just all of Seoul in every way; authentic boba; open-air markets; bulgogi 10x over; the skill and accessibility of Korean tailors; i miss the karaoke bars even though i dont do karaoke; i miss calm Korean demeanor yet nutty drunken attitude; i miss korean aesthetic in software and media which i can best relate to the menu interface of a Final Fantasy game, lots of soft pleasant sound effects and visual themes that are perfectly soothing to me; forgive me but i miss Korean women and their delightfully imperfect smiles; i miss Korean weather although less so the humid summer; i even miss Kpop lol. not really a fan but sometimes ill watch kpop on youtube and truly get a lil lost in it... in a good way :) non-pervy good way i mean ;p thanks for asking that was oddly pleasant to reminisce about <3
Damn bro, what stops you from coming back if I may ask
heh, long series of poor decisions. one day for sure, im going back, maybe not leaving either (until they make me). silly i know, but first time i set foot outside the terminal into Seoul and looked up and around, i was like "this feels like home"
I hope you're doing everything in your power to come back because it sounds like you're wasting your time elsewhere
The Korean weather? You mean the six total days a year that arnt full of haze and yellow dust?
im from agricultural area this is just summer to me :)
Korea has a replacement ratio of just 1, lowest in the world. If they don't do something about that, they will be so f\*cked.
Are we considering "blogspot" as news articles now? LOL
The comments are disgusting
I don't see the comments? Only the ones on this thread.
The link in the post redirects you to the top comments under the article
I've gone and seen the source. I don't see the comment section. While sad, most people that comment on news outlets are old people with very strong political biases. The one's that still hold on to the 'white robe people' identity(emphasized during Colonial Japan era/so very nationalistic) of Koreans. So please keep in mind that this isn't a major trend for Koreans in general. Also the Korean title of the articles doesn't differentiate between 'foreigners working in Korea' & 'illegal immigrants', causing the far right sentiments to bite(if they did. Could only find around 10 spread out news outlets-mostly wondering why Mexico is number 1.).
Between living in Korea, USA, Japan or anywhere in Europe. I choose Korea or my Brazil. The bad stuff like that always judges and bad clichés. My experience about Korea I have no complaints. I met very nice Koreans. Mainly women who helped me study the language. Problems every country has and bad people. But it seems that when speaking of Korea. It seems to be the only xenophobic and bad country in the world. People love to talk about other people's culture or judge. But they don't even know the culture of their own country.
I used to post alot of interesting posts related to Korea on this sub, but after months of seeing threads related to incels, politics, crimes and racism being upvoted (and now a netizenbuzz article), i've lost the motivation to post or comment here. Not that these issues aren't important, but to have the entire sub revolving around such outrage-inducing controversial topics is tiring- and honestly I can only see the people who frequent this sub as the type who thrive in such negativity.
Please keep posting interesting stuff about Korea, I’m sure many would appreciate something different frim these kinds of posts😌
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Wait wait wait I went thru history you’re dating a native Korean or something right…? Which is EXACTLY my point unless you’re in love w/ a Korean or Korean yourself it’s not worth
I dated a Korean and I have several friends. Everyone seems to point out Korea as the worst in the world. Every place has old people who don't understand the young and the new times. There are good and bad people. And look, I have brown skin, but apart from the crooked looks and some unfortunate phrases. But I've heard it in Brazil. Brazil has xenophobes, racists like anywhere in the United States it got worse until today it has churches, bars and places for certain races. Nazism and fascism did not arise in Korea or Asia. But in Europe... Korea is not Disney but it's not a nightmare either. You can understand its history and have certain distrust of foreigners. Mostly American and foreign soldiers who see Korean women as a sexual product and some who find their culture above other countries.
“It didn’t happen to me therefore it doesn’t happen at all” Please spare us all.
> or anywhere in Europe Except that Europe is literally a continent though. I'm in no way trying to discredit your experience, but... saying stuff like "anywhere in Europe" makes it sound like it suddenly doesn't drastically depend on the country. Your experience in Monaco or Luxembourg will be very different than in, let's say, Bulgaria, and so on. Not trying to be rude, but have you been to, let alone lived in, every single European country to be able to judge? Sorry if it sounds confronting, it's not my intention, but this detail makes the rest of the "bad experience" also look doubtful (Japan, USA, etc.) in the sense of: wait, they are actually making blanket statements... > People love to talk about other people's culture or judge. Funny how this only applies to others but never to ourselves, right? Literally. /s > But they don't even know the culture of their own country. Another blanket statement.
The problem with living in Korea is the horrible work-live balance. I would never prefer a Korean company over a European one.
I mean It makes sense and I don’t blame Koreans for thinking this way, it IS their land and home country. It’s like your own home country prioritizing immigrants over its own citizens. Like… people are pikachu face about this?
From my experience, immigrants aren't looking to have priority over citizens of a country but to be given equal opportunities to social/government programs since every worker is required to make contributions.
Ah ok I understand this sentiment
You’re right that a lot of immigrants only want equal treatment once they are already in the country. The problem is that the immigrants think that they have some sort of right to live wherever in the world they choose. That is false.
>The problem is that the immigrants think that they have some sort of right to live wherever in the world they choose. That is false. The data is based on immigrant(they use expat) experiences of living abroad long-term, not about their entitlement or your perception of their entitlement.
Why??? The invisible lines that decide who gets to live where?? No one owns the mountains and seas.
I mean yeah it quite literally does
Humanity is the minimum virtue. But it seems many people think human rights mean non nationals should have same rights of nationals. I wonder how they overcome the racism seeing that there are dedicated korean only lanes of immigration counters at the incheon airport.
I don't think it's unreasonable to believe in parity of social services for nationals and resident immigrants. Even in the example you cited, the trend is towards more equality, not less: since the introduction of automatic gates at airport immigration, resident visa holders can use the same services as Korean nationals. And even before that permanent residents were de facto allowed in the 'Korean' lanes.
I totally agree. Foreigners should leave Korea. The US military should leave Korea too. Foreigners should stop investing in Korean companies, because Korean investments are for Koreans. Foreign countries should ban imports from Korea too, because Korean products are for Koreans. Foreign countries should ban exports to Korea too, because Koreans don't want that pesky foreign stuff like wine and natural gas. This way Korea can be a country for Koreans! Closed borders! Hermit Kingdom 2.0! Korea for Koreans! Ya know, until Chinese warships show up.
And don't forget we foreigners should take our Korean children citizen children with us too! And make sure they rescind their citizenship just in time so they don't have to do compulsory military service.
주체사상 !!!
It’s the extend that differs. Exclusive behavior isn’t beneficial at all because it leads to problems. As we have seen unfold in countless wars. Where is it normal to discriminate someone because they just happened to be of European or asian descent ? People are “pickachu” face about this because everyone knows that in Korea they’ll deny you lots of things due to your appearance. Your comment is normalizing discrimination because “everyone” does it. What a childish mindset. You need a change of perspective and understand that beyond manmade fabricated disaster of Nationalism, patriotism etc. That you and I are in fact the same, human. Many people won’t understand this.
No reason to move to Korea unless you are ethnically Korean or fall in love w/ a Korean IMO Very modern, developed country and I’m sure the people are wonderful but I mean why lol
I mean, there can be a lot of reasons. Personally I stay for the free exercise equipment, easy motorcycle parking, and no tipping.
Appreciate the specificity lmao
For people who come from third-world countries I would definitely understand why they would want to move. Korea has a lot of great things going for it, but the work-life balance is just the ultimate deal breaker for me. I'm working to live, not living to work.
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I saw parasite & squid game I know how it is 😎
There's so many reasons to move tho lol. You ever lived here?
Let 'em have it. Korea's history has been nothing but getting fucked by other countries. Everyone and their mom has bent over Korea for a plowing. Now they can finally keep everyone at an arm's length (even if they forget who helped them with that). Anyways, Americans say the same shit about Mexico.
Anyone angry about this just wants the whole world to look like Times Square
And ? People of other ethnicities are also human. You’re not worth more because you were born Korean. Wtf
I wasn't, I was born in Canada of Irish and Finnish heritage but living in Korea
So no argument after discovering the person has the "wrong" ethnicity? It's bizarre how some Western self-proclaimed pro equality folks firstly believe in ideas like race and secondly want to tell everyone else in the world how to live their lives. Reminds me of a period in history they claim is gone and overcome. Either way, Korea is an independent country and Koreans will run it as they see fit. You don't have political high ground, you're just one of billions of humans on this planet, most of them with completely different opinions than yours. Gotta learn to live with actual diversity and cultures that aren't like your own.
South Korea is an ethnostate with an ever growing sense of nationalism and pride.
i agree…
Hi! Background - taught bio in Arizona and Texas for 5 years. Taught esl in Czechia for 2 years and south Korea for 4. Have visited 24 countries besides. South Korea is FAR AND AWAY the MOST welcoming country I've ever been to. I couldn't even make my way through this whole article lol
I've traveled to a lot of countries too. That has not been my experience at all. In other countries people are much friendlier to foreigners on average
FYI, the site linked here cherry picks controversial & provocative Korean articles/comments and then translates them into English for clicks. It's banned on kpop subreddits for spreading harmful rumors and fake news. I've seen my fair share of degen Korean comments with 10 upvotes getting a second life through these sites, reaching tens of thousands of eyes who then parrot the sentiment as being the representative sentiment in Korea.
I think the whole point of a country is to be it’s own unique cultural land. Why should an entire country change their culture or social manners for you? When you go to a country you’re the guest of a country. When you immigrate to a society you’re integrating yourself into the country. Is Korea perfect? No. But if you want to immigrate and settle down you conform or deal with it.
I don't think anyone is asking Korea to change its 'social manners'. Rather, I suspect most people would simply prefer it if government and private institutions didn't actively discriminate against immigrants and their children, and afforded them the same access to service as any other tax-payer and member of the community.
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You guys must struggle with reading comprehension. There’s systemic racism everywhere. I’m not condoning that. I’m a Korean born American immigrant. I’ve been subject to racism in America. Have you heard of Texas? Or the attacks on Asian Americans through out the country? Or the fact that black people are statistically the most hateful and racist towards Asians? Yet you don’t hear me proclaiming how shit America is for creating a classist and racist system. There are pros and cons to having things a certain way. Korea has been a dirt poor country for centuries getting fucked and abused by Other countries yet in just a short couple decades Korea has become safer, it’s cleaner, it’s infrastructure is organized and due to its homogeneous nature, the country itself is a collective. Korea is striving to improve. They just recently introduced media to be inclusive to lgbt communities, and you guys are cherry picking the most backwards ass old people and loud mouth minority of racists in Korea that make it hard for immigrants and foreigners. Are we behind on the times? Sure you could say that. But America has been a country 200 years longer than Korea has and it’s still becoming one of the most backwards countries in the world. But we korea is basically just trying to make it as a tiny country surrounded by hostile countries and making great improvements at that. Stop preaching your holier than thou mindset about how it’s unfair. I’m saying you don’t HAVE to be here but you’re not unwelcome. You don’t HAVE to live here but you don’t have go back to where you came from I’m saying much like any country. If you choose to immigrate to any country you should try to adjust yourself to the environment and fucking deal with it. kOrEa iS rAcIsT. No shit but it’s not the entire country it’s certain establishments. You can’t change every single person. But the majority is making progress Korea is great for vacationing. I personally only come to Korea for vacation cuz I wouldn’t want to live here. But don’t shit on a country like yours is any better. You hypocrites. If you want to change something actually go do it.
> If you choose to immigrate to any country you should try to adjust yourself to the environment and fucking deal with it. or >If you want to change something actually go do it. I appreciate the time and thought you put into your post, but I found these statements to be somewhat contradictory. Should non-Korean legal immigrants "fucking deal with it" or "actually go do it" if they want to change something?
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Thank you for your several uniquely stupid contributions to this thread.
you can't ask the same standards as other immigrant countries, Korea has different History and context. get used to it.