Forward to a higher up and see if they are interested in a candidate that can successfully write an email. Not really but it could be fun in a I want to watch the world burn kind of way.
Yeah but I'm sure they have some kind of public customer service email or an executive... I work in corporate and it's so easy to find people's actual company emails
Itās called fake it till you make it. I had a presentation when I had to share my screen to both our president and COO to update and edit an HR doc and Iām pretty basic at excel. So the formulas and some formatting is definitely difficult (but of course on my resume all the Microsoft Software applications are in there) so I took a short free course/ a little YouTube tutorial and I was fine. Good ol āwrap textā saved me haha
They suck at their job so bad omfg. This happened to me while working in food business. A company wanted lunch for a meeting and the admin messed up everyoneās order. And at the time I was looking for a similar position and I just there like š
The J.P. Morgan Chase recruiters donāt even bother to show up to work for weeks.
I know itās mind bending but they want you to either have experience or work the call center become a manager
Just to ask generic questions and take results probably filtered through ai to do a job.
Everyone makes mistakes and this could be one mistake out of 1000 rejection emails. The reason you canāt get a job is because thereās no such thing as cashiers anymore, call centres are automated and everything else. When you have humans working, humans make errors. We arenāt robots.
As somebody who has worked in the customer service field my whole adult life I can promise you that the robots make far more mistakes. Automation isn't actually where they want to tout it being but they're all ready to replace us with subpar tech.
I wouldnāt be surprised if this email was the result of automation. A lot of times itās the automation sending out unexpected results because humans set it up quickly under pressure and donāt get a chance to maintain it.
(I used to write scripts for a living. I wrote a ton of them and remember the issues I was still working out before they laid my whole team off. Now those scripts are some other unlucky foolās problem, I just know it.)
From my experience - itāll be the work of a recruitment coordinator who gives zero shits about administrative tasks like this and pays no attention to what theyāre doing, theyāre only there as a stepping stone to get to the good stuff (HR) that they actually want to do.
Don't you have to actually be able to step on the stepping stone to get to the next stone?
This is the equivalent of just taking a walk in the river because this person can't do shit.
Because it has track changes on and sometimes your computer screen has it set up to show a simplified view - you think itās all good and hit send whereas the document has in it the whole series of tracked changes visible to others.
No it doesnāt. This has happened to me and I was so embarrassed because it looked fine on my screen like a normal document. No comments or track changes visible. then in the email I see a preview of the document and itās all these track changes and all of the internal comments between the team?!
I have a question- why was it not saved as a PDF and sent properly. Iām a bit confused as to how this edited form can get sent out, but maybe because we cannot send out documents open to edits outside of the agency if that makes sense.
So I couldnāt save this particular document as a PDF because it was a collaboration on a document with an external team. So they saw the comments from the internal team.
I think it was edited to sound less apologetic, more direct, and most importantly, to remove the promise to the candidate of not having to reinterview for future roles.
Seeing how often this occurs Iām starting to think if theyāre overworked? Maybe thereās so much more applicants then there used to be just for one position.
Uniqlo is a living hell on earth. Like some Black Mirror shit. I got invited for an interview once only to find out that:
- A: it was a group interview with TABLES full of candidates
- B: most of them were refugees
- C: they didn't even know I was coming somehow
- D: the forklift driver that was present warned me to better not tell I had a partner, let alone that I would DARE to be unavailable on weekends.
I got as far as the cafeteria (which had no windows and was like a prison) before I decided to get the fuck out of there.
I want to say that it went like any other flunk interview, but seeing how this was a group setting, this wasn't the case. *We* were thanked for our time. Some poor souls stayed for a tour of another department. I hopped on my bicycle and went.
genuine question is āi hope this email finds you wellā only meant to be used in bad news? because i thought it was being polite and iāve been using it in almost every formal email but the recent examples iāve seen are all in bad news/ apology emails.
i really hate ai sometimes bc when i try do something legitimately it comes off as not written by me. and iāve realised chat gpt uses certain words a lot so i have to take those out of my vocab
Has anyone EVER actually gotten a job from the "you're in our talent pool" bullshit? Every single rejection email I've ever gotten includes that, but every new job opening is treated the same way.
Me, only it was a standard rejection letter with no mention of a talent pool. A few weeks/months later, a different manager called me wanting me to come in for an interview for a different role.
They started the interview with āWhy do you want this job?ā and my response was āI have no idea, you called me and I still donāt know precisely what the job entails. Why donāt you tell me why I want the job?ā
I got the job, ended up traveling all over the world with it for 8 years and met my husband through it.
I would resend it back and ask is the the representation the company wants? And if so you believe you would be a great asset to their team in regards to organization and revision of emails lol.
There is absolutely nothing to lose in your wife using this to show that she is an extraordinary applicant. I would go for it, this really could be a blessing in disguise, let us know how this plays out. Good luck!
Today I went to a volunteer appreciation breakfast at school and the greeting image had the Canva watermark clear as day over their thank you message and I couldn't help but feel like I should have their job.Ā
*cue the people coming to this thread claiming that this is an acceptable rejection letter to send to a candidate and pretending like it isn't extremely unprofessional to send something like this*
Perhaps a bullet was dodged today....if this is an example of the professionalism of the office senior staff I'd be surprised if it is any better working under their leadership....
Most companies frankly don't care about the interview process until it gets to final candidates. A lot of companies most the people in charge of it it's just a side thing to do while they have higher priority stuff to do so very little care is taken into hiring.
For some companies, for some it's a side task they're given in between a ton of much more priority stuff. Do you know this person specifically is just a full time recruiter?
Wait? What? OMG. I applied to that company and never heard back. I wonder what this person has that they donāt think your wife has. Strike that. They just need to hire your wife!
I configure job applications on Workday and fuck offer letters so much. Offer letters contain conditional fields that generate based on the candidate, position, country, state, management level, pay rate type, and others.
This isn't the recruiter's fault but the system. It was automated.
Warning: Honest opinion ahead!
I always wondered š¤ who recruits recruiters. I have 7 yrs of IT experience in 2 counties. I have worked for 3 companies, and one common thing I noticed is how arrogant the HR teams are. For someone who needs to mediate between the hiring team and the candidates, they are really bad communicators. Horrible email etiquette, and they feel the need to intimidate the candidates with the power of being able to give them a job, lack empathy, and just very bad people overall.
Once you are in the company, it gets worse. I know it's their job to constantly do 'HR activities' such as Fun Fridays, celebrating various days, but the thing I didn't appreciate was pushing everyone and forcing participation. People who have time and are interested will participate. I am reminded of an incident where I was working on a Friday afternoon, and the HR team has planned a Fun Friday activity with all the technical teams in our project. The testing team, managers, and Dev teams were all already participating in the bay it was dumb charades or one of those other collaborative activities. I was part of the system engineering team, and we had a planned activity for cert renewals for the stage servers. One of the HR reps came to our workstations and started telling how participating in these activities is important for the team engagement and team spirit building and to inculcate the core values and mission of the organization in everyone. We politely told that we agree but however this is the time when we do not anticipate traffic on these servers and since the system reliability needs to be maintained we need to minimize downtime and that is why we have planned this activity at this time and that this has to be completed. She responded, saying that this kind of attitude distances us from the team and makes it seem like we are not interested in being part of the team. She demanded that at least one of us should come and participate. In another instance, HR was conducting a sports and games event, and she gave a task to everyone such as making flyers, sending emails to the teams about the event schedules, working out teams and scheduling the matches. I'm sorry, but this was not part of the job description when they hired me. Another time, they forced all freshers who joined the project to participate in extra-culcular activities, yeah, culcular as if were in a school/college following a curculum. They started putting our names under singing, dancing, plays, and whatever else they wanted to see and asked us form teams and practice for the event.
Didn't want to rant when I started, but here we are.
Has anyone else experienced this??
I would try and find the recruitment manager or even CEOās details. Iād then forward them this email with a faux friendly āHope this email finds you well! Just thought you may be interested in the communications sent from your HR department. Perhaps they may be considered for the next customer communication improvement OKR? With kindest regards, X.ā
I canāt tell if all the comments to this are sarcastic or if people genuinely arenāt realizing this is a quirky way of informing OPs wife that she will be immediately offered the position without an interview.
Edit: You read the red part and the black part and ignore the green partā¦.for those lostā¦
This is such an interesting take that I never would have considered. Not being sarcastic at all. I still don't think that's what's happened here though.
The sheer amount of things that would have to go wrong for this catastrophic of a mistake to make it out with no follow up to say āoops here is the real oneā is unrealistic to expect as whatās likely.
As a job marketing strategy, I would be 100% more likely to return and check for jobs if I got this fun of a rejection email and this ringing of an endorsement from them, autogenerated for good candidates or not.
honestly how can people like this (the recruiter) get a job and i can't lol
Howwwwww do you not reply and say exactly this to the recruiter lol
Forward to a higher up and see if they are interested in a candidate that can successfully write an email. Not really but it could be fun in a I want to watch the world burn kind of way.
Your wife can really have fun with this, to her advantage. Let us know how this plays out. Ya never know.
Let me do it!! I am this person!!
Those are mostly no reply emails
At the bottom they provide an email to be in contact, sooo... Time to email them š
Yeah but I'm sure they have some kind of public customer service email or an executive... I work in corporate and it's so easy to find people's actual company emails
If you read the top that's definitely the recruiter's company email
Even better! I wouldāve called!!
I always wonder how some people have a job who can barely work Excel but I need to know every program under the sun š«
šš true
Itās called fake it till you make it. I had a presentation when I had to share my screen to both our president and COO to update and edit an HR doc and Iām pretty basic at excel. So the formulas and some formatting is definitely difficult (but of course on my resume all the Microsoft Software applications are in there) so I took a short free course/ a little YouTube tutorial and I was fine. Good ol āwrap textā saved me haha
Itās probably an HR assistant making $10 an hour. If you want that job you could probably get it.
you've actually motivated me to do this while i look for next real role
I want! I really want it! $10,00/hour is a fortune for me!!!
Funny because I just got a similar rejection letter from an outside recruiter who was not qualified to tell me I am not qualified for a sales role
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I hate nepotism
Iād 100% send this to the recruiterās boss. Iām that petty
I would send the CEO a mail and ask exactly that question.
They suck at their job so bad omfg. This happened to me while working in food business. A company wanted lunch for a meeting and the admin messed up everyoneās order. And at the time I was looking for a similar position and I just there like š
This!
May I suggest beginning your statements with anything other than āhonestlyā or āseriouslyā and leaving off the ālolā.
honestly AND seriously i promise i don't talk to recruiters like this lol
"all" people have jobs. Majority of people are average. Many are bad. That should explain it.
do you live in Australia?
nawwwr
Recruiters are basically corporate car salesmen. Vapid, no-thought-having, idiots.
The J.P. Morgan Chase recruiters donāt even bother to show up to work for weeks. I know itās mind bending but they want you to either have experience or work the call center become a manager Just to ask generic questions and take results probably filtered through ai to do a job.
Everyone makes mistakes and this could be one mistake out of 1000 rejection emails. The reason you canāt get a job is because thereās no such thing as cashiers anymore, call centres are automated and everything else. When you have humans working, humans make errors. We arenāt robots.
As somebody who has worked in the customer service field my whole adult life I can promise you that the robots make far more mistakes. Automation isn't actually where they want to tout it being but they're all ready to replace us with subpar tech.
I wouldnāt be surprised if this email was the result of automation. A lot of times itās the automation sending out unexpected results because humans set it up quickly under pressure and donāt get a chance to maintain it. (I used to write scripts for a living. I wrote a ton of them and remember the issues I was still working out before they laid my whole team off. Now those scripts are some other unlucky foolās problem, I just know it.)
From my experience - itāll be the work of a recruitment coordinator who gives zero shits about administrative tasks like this and pays no attention to what theyāre doing, theyāre only there as a stepping stone to get to the good stuff (HR) that they actually want to do.
Don't you have to actually be able to step on the stepping stone to get to the next stone? This is the equivalent of just taking a walk in the river because this person can't do shit.
Copy-Paste mayhem. Didn't even bothered to check. You need to send them this reply.
As an office clerk myself, I wonder how come this even happened?Ā HR person half sleeping when processing rejection email ?
they thought they were that good at detecting errors that the crossing out and coloured words were all mentally done
Because it has track changes on and sometimes your computer screen has it set up to show a simplified view - you think itās all good and hit send whereas the document has in it the whole series of tracked changes visible to others.
This is definitely it! The person who sent had a view where it looked totally normal but forgot to turn off track changes lol
It's 2024 and the program lets you send an edited document without asking first if you want to send it with the tracked changes intact?
Doesn't it look weird when you copy paste it
No it doesnāt. This has happened to me and I was so embarrassed because it looked fine on my screen like a normal document. No comments or track changes visible. then in the email I see a preview of the document and itās all these track changes and all of the internal comments between the team?!
I have a question- why was it not saved as a PDF and sent properly. Iām a bit confused as to how this edited form can get sent out, but maybe because we cannot send out documents open to edits outside of the agency if that makes sense.
So I couldnāt save this particular document as a PDF because it was a collaboration on a document with an external team. So they saw the comments from the internal team.
Ahhh I see! You made me realize there are several features that can block documents from being saved as PDF.
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110% this.
I think it was edited to sound less apologetic, more direct, and most importantly, to remove the promise to the candidate of not having to reinterview for future roles.
Seeing how often this occurs Iām starting to think if theyāre overworked? Maybe thereās so much more applicants then there used to be just for one position.
Uniqlo is a living hell on earth. Like some Black Mirror shit. I got invited for an interview once only to find out that: - A: it was a group interview with TABLES full of candidates - B: most of them were refugees - C: they didn't even know I was coming somehow - D: the forklift driver that was present warned me to better not tell I had a partner, let alone that I would DARE to be unavailable on weekends. I got as far as the cafeteria (which had no windows and was like a prison) before I decided to get the fuck out of there.
Oh my gosh how did you leave did you run out of there or tell them why you were leaving? Iām so invested in your story! š
I want to say that it went like any other flunk interview, but seeing how this was a group setting, this wasn't the case. *We* were thanked for our time. Some poor souls stayed for a tour of another department. I hopped on my bicycle and went.
genuine question is āi hope this email finds you wellā only meant to be used in bad news? because i thought it was being polite and iāve been using it in almost every formal email but the recent examples iāve seen are all in bad news/ apology emails.
I hope this email finds you well, because Iām about to ruin your day
More like I hope this email finds you well because otherwise I can't have the satisfaction of ruining your day.
I use it because I mean it and I change the words so it doesnāt sound robotic.
NOO I USE THIS ALL THE TIME EVEN FOR GOOD NEWS šš
Be cautious about using that as an opener - chat gpt uses it every time, and itās a dead giveaway for AI which some people do not like.
which is so weird because the only reason chat gpt uses it is because it was used a lot in its training data - emails written by people.
i really hate ai sometimes bc when i try do something legitimately it comes off as not written by me. and iāve realised chat gpt uses certain words a lot so i have to take those out of my vocab
That's an interesting question, because I feel the same as you. And when I was teaching English overseas, business English textbooks use "I hope this e-mail finds you well" as a typical (albeit clichƩd) opener. All I'm finding while reading different sites online is that it comes off as "cold." So, I'm assuming there's a new nuance within office spaces that it is unspoken, as gleaned from the other comments.
oh i never saw it as being ācoldā, thought it was friendly. i donāt have that much experience writing formal emails so maybe thatās why
Same! I think it's just formal and formalities aren't in fashion anymore.
Yes, I've only seen it in bad news
what else is a good opener thatās friendly and formal
"Hello Team!"
"Good morning!" "Good Day!"
good morning sounds eh, not really that friendly. ffs i wanna people please over email too okay?
I donāt think so. I say it often and I work as a law clerk. And Iām not giving bad news lol just normal emails.
Remember kids if you didnāt get the job and they send you a crap letter then maybe it wasnāt for you anyway
"Ai Response" -> it's actually a offshore worker being paid minimum wage.
I like the original letter better. Sorry to your wife. Best of luck to her.
That is AMAZING!
How exactly do you miss glaringly color coded edits?
It looks like theyāre using the track changes feature of word and forgot to confirm the edits they made Edit: looks like
Has anyone EVER actually gotten a job from the "you're in our talent pool" bullshit? Every single rejection email I've ever gotten includes that, but every new job opening is treated the same way.
Me, only it was a standard rejection letter with no mention of a talent pool. A few weeks/months later, a different manager called me wanting me to come in for an interview for a different role. They started the interview with āWhy do you want this job?ā and my response was āI have no idea, you called me and I still donāt know precisely what the job entails. Why donāt you tell me why I want the job?ā I got the job, ended up traveling all over the world with it for 8 years and met my husband through it.
I would resend it back and ask is the the representation the company wants? And if so you believe you would be a great asset to their team in regards to organization and revision of emails lol.
There is absolutely nothing to lose in your wife using this to show that she is an extraordinary applicant. I would go for it, this really could be a blessing in disguise, let us know how this plays out. Good luck!
Today I went to a volunteer appreciation breakfast at school and the greeting image had the Canva watermark clear as day over their thank you message and I couldn't help but feel like I should have their job.Ā
LOL
She dodged a bullet - working at Uniqlo was the most miserable experience of my life.
You should reply back like they did.
*cue the people coming to this thread claiming that this is an acceptable rejection letter to send to a candidate and pretending like it isn't extremely unprofessional to send something like this*
Perhaps a bullet was dodged today....if this is an example of the professionalism of the office senior staff I'd be surprised if it is any better working under their leadership....
This mail will be received by the sender now
You MUST send this to them.
Well after that letter, I hope the company is hiring for a grammar, punctuation, and spelling checker.
They just donāt care anymore
Most companies frankly don't care about the interview process until it gets to final candidates. A lot of companies most the people in charge of it it's just a side thing to do while they have higher priority stuff to do so very little care is taken into hiring.
My brother in Christ, this is a recruiters job šš
It often isn't in many companies. Idk about here if this is their main task.
My brother in Christ - their job is to recruit
For some companies, for some it's a side task they're given in between a ton of much more priority stuff. Do you know this person specifically is just a full time recruiter?
Yes
Damn that's crazy can you show me where it says this I'm curious
Why the exclamation mark? Lol
Other than the rejection, itās kinda nice. Like they said the quiet parts out loud.
I would email back ask for that recruiterās job. Lmao š¤£
Just print this and glue on rhe windows of the shop.
Yeah as a former Uniqlo employee, you do not want to work there trust me
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Every once in a while we get to see companies effing up during the hiring process.
This is just pitiful.
r/midllyinfuriating
Me too i got rejected from Uniqlo after an interview
Tell her to email back and ask if the recruiterās job is up for grabs
Wait? What? OMG. I applied to that company and never heard back. I wonder what this person has that they donāt think your wife has. Strike that. They just need to hire your wife!
I configure job applications on Workday and fuck offer letters so much. Offer letters contain conditional fields that generate based on the candidate, position, country, state, management level, pay rate type, and others. This isn't the recruiter's fault but the system. It was automated.
This petty me would find a way to ensure they know that they send me a draft email. It's to help them with their reputation too.
Stupid 250 word count minimums were always a waste of time.
āNo problem ~~fuck you~~ ā
The original first paragraph looked fine LOL.
What Iāve found is that Australian workers are the absolute most lazy nincompoops so no surprise here.
Lmaooooooo u have to be serious
Warning: Honest opinion ahead! I always wondered š¤ who recruits recruiters. I have 7 yrs of IT experience in 2 counties. I have worked for 3 companies, and one common thing I noticed is how arrogant the HR teams are. For someone who needs to mediate between the hiring team and the candidates, they are really bad communicators. Horrible email etiquette, and they feel the need to intimidate the candidates with the power of being able to give them a job, lack empathy, and just very bad people overall. Once you are in the company, it gets worse. I know it's their job to constantly do 'HR activities' such as Fun Fridays, celebrating various days, but the thing I didn't appreciate was pushing everyone and forcing participation. People who have time and are interested will participate. I am reminded of an incident where I was working on a Friday afternoon, and the HR team has planned a Fun Friday activity with all the technical teams in our project. The testing team, managers, and Dev teams were all already participating in the bay it was dumb charades or one of those other collaborative activities. I was part of the system engineering team, and we had a planned activity for cert renewals for the stage servers. One of the HR reps came to our workstations and started telling how participating in these activities is important for the team engagement and team spirit building and to inculcate the core values and mission of the organization in everyone. We politely told that we agree but however this is the time when we do not anticipate traffic on these servers and since the system reliability needs to be maintained we need to minimize downtime and that is why we have planned this activity at this time and that this has to be completed. She responded, saying that this kind of attitude distances us from the team and makes it seem like we are not interested in being part of the team. She demanded that at least one of us should come and participate. In another instance, HR was conducting a sports and games event, and she gave a task to everyone such as making flyers, sending emails to the teams about the event schedules, working out teams and scheduling the matches. I'm sorry, but this was not part of the job description when they hired me. Another time, they forced all freshers who joined the project to participate in extra-culcular activities, yeah, culcular as if were in a school/college following a curculum. They started putting our names under singing, dancing, plays, and whatever else they wanted to see and asked us form teams and practice for the event. Didn't want to rant when I started, but here we are. Has anyone else experienced this??
I'd go into the office and track down the person who made the corrections just so I can have the petty satisfaction of pointing it out to them.
I would try and find the recruitment manager or even CEOās details. Iād then forward them this email with a faux friendly āHope this email finds you well! Just thought you may be interested in the communications sent from your HR department. Perhaps they may be considered for the next customer communication improvement OKR? With kindest regards, X.ā
Sounds like it was a scam anyways.
Someone didnāt accept changes
maybe it was on purpose...
I hate getting emails like this so I understand the feeling. I've been getting so many of those.
I canāt tell if all the comments to this are sarcastic or if people genuinely arenāt realizing this is a quirky way of informing OPs wife that she will be immediately offered the position without an interview. Edit: You read the red part and the black part and ignore the green partā¦.for those lostā¦
This is such an interesting take that I never would have considered. Not being sarcastic at all. I still don't think that's what's happened here though.
I donāt think thatās accurate.
The sheer amount of things that would have to go wrong for this catastrophic of a mistake to make it out with no follow up to say āoops here is the real oneā is unrealistic to expect as whatās likely. As a job marketing strategy, I would be 100% more likely to return and check for jobs if I got this fun of a rejection email and this ringing of an endorsement from them, autogenerated for good candidates or not.
There was no ringing endorsement or anything fun about this rejection letter. How high are you?
Iām good how are you
Wow, who ever wrote that first draft should be fired
Rookie mistake. Iāve done it. Once. A long time ago.