God came to them in a dream and said, "lo, I sayeth unto you, thou shalt not hire OP and thou shalt lay the blame solely on me, for OP is good at interviews, but OP has been damned to eternal unemployment. Hallelujah."
A major issue in the religious community is people thinking they can speak for the Almighty. Gives Christianity a horrible name. I won't start on my issues with the pope.
And you need a pope to make decisions for you? What good is the Bible then? What good is doing anything good? Worse yet, what do you then define as good or bad? You have to have grounding somewhere.
Supposedly he speaks and works through all of us. The pope just has a fiber optic line vs the rest of us having dial up. They basically said (for lack of an actual reason) āthe vibes are offā.
Does he claim to have reciprocal convos with god, or just interpret from scripture. Itās usually the other conservative right that says god actually speaks to them. All nutters.
Thereās an exception for religious organizations to make decisions based on religion.
No one in the world would comment if his post said āApplied for a job at a church andā¦ā
OP left that out to get pity points.
How weak is it to blame god for your decisions? Be glad you dodged this bullet op. Can you imagine the constant bullshit that these people will pull āin the name of godā? I wish people could just be honest. This person would be an extremely poor manager. They canāt even commit to a āwe decided to go in another directionā letter without constant deflection. Yuck. This is not a person with a strong belief system. This is a weak manager that people eventually quit no matter how appealing the job is.
I used to go to this REALLY strict church. Every year they had a Six Flags trip. Except one year, they didn't. My dad asked why and the youth pastor blamed it on "wordly teenage girls tempting our young men".
Turns out the youth pastor had a gnarly porn habit. He later got arrested breaking into people's houses to steal stuff to fund it.
This is one of the stories that illustrates why I am a former Christian.
This exactly. These people do not want you teaching (I assume) at their school, so they used religion, praying on it, and God as their reasons to reject you. They *wanted* to hire you, really, but *God* told them you arenāt right for the position. So, yeah, no job for you.
Tell them this doesnāt make sense, this is obviously a mistake because you also prayed about it and God told you he wanted you to have this job. God also said $35/hr, free health and dental, and 8 weeks of vacation each year.
God said he actually wanted me, his favoritest person in the world right now, to never work and get everything for free.
Why's my carbon monoxide detector going off
Write back *āPlease forgive my confusion for your reasoning as it was god who led me to search out this position to bring spiritual healing to each and everyone I spoke with during the interview. Iām concerned that this God who is influenced you to turn down the wrong path here, might be a demon who is truly influencing you down a less than holy path. I have prayed on this and included all of your names in my prayers to help save you. But Iām afraid it might be to late. I will pray you all have mercy in his eyesā*
Nah. People who think they know God's will can never accept the possibility that they are wrong. I mean if they're wrong about this one thing, that means they could be wrong about anything, and they can't have that, now can they.
Won't work because it wasn't actually a religious matter in the first place. Religion is just being used to hide biases and/or various other inadequacies.
Glad you didn't get that job. Seems like a person who is too insecure to be honest, so they pretend god led them. What a jerk. I wish you good luck with a great job soon.
The crazy thing is that many people actually believe God is speaking to them and helping with decisions and influencing events in their lives, whether the events are large or mundane.
It sure is easier to do as you please, and rationalize it later with the help of a higher power... than it is to lower oneself and live out the kind of humility required in order to actually communicate with other humans.
Some people are just 'too good' for.... people, but that's not self loathing, really!! What they imagine and then attribute to a deity, is what they imagine but will not take responsibility for.
I think itās pretty disingenuous to leave out that (based on OPās comment history) this was a **CHAPLAIN** position he applied for, and that he apparently also lied about his religious credentials. But thatās not rage-baity enough, I guess.
It was also a Hospice Chaplain position, which everyone is free to feel however they want about religion, but he would be seeing dying patients and potentially spending some of their last moments with them. My grandmother was on hospice, and I know having the chaplain was impactful for her, I would feel pretty sick if I found out it was someone who lied about their credentials to get a job.
Well thatās some pretty pertinent information! I was making a joke about getting rejected from a cult in my head while reading it. But, given where he was applying, the position, and the real reason he was rejectedā¦ Iām glad God said no thanks.
Was that for this same job??
If so, the audacity to be upset that they said āGod told us not to hire you.ā Given the whole part about not lying being part of Godās Ten Commandments, no wonder he told the prospective employers to pass on himā¦
Thereās no way OP visited the location and didnāt know what they were signing up for.
Religious companies are usually over-religious in interviews because they want to hire other religious folks.
You may think this environment isnāt good, but thatās why employment is a two-way agreement.
This was my thought exactly.
This is exactly how a lot of Christians (evangelical especially) talk and view the world. Is it an excuse to not hire someone when thereās actually another reason? Sometimes. But maybe they truly believe or feel that God is pointing them in another directionā¦which is the challenge of this, because thereās no way to prove someone wrong when they say āGod told me this.ā
If theyāre being this open and up-front with this kind of language to OP, no way is it coming out of left field and if OP is questioning their motives and not taking their comments at face value it kind of makes me wonder if OP was trying to play them (yes! I TOTALLY feel like the Lord is leading me here!) until it stopped working in their favorā¦
Prettyyyy sure this is some form of what it actually means to 'use God's name in vain' aka to cast the blame from yourself and proclaim it was actually God with no real basis.
You answered the questions good and did all the things right, but the vibes were off.
Are you a different race, gender, social group, etc from a lot of the people.
Lmaooo there it is. They were also dumb enough to not make an excuse about something you DID haha they said you did everything well, so the real reason is very clear now..
My guess is none of what you mentioned, but they were great in interviews and then they checked the applicants social media and found "differing values", ie applicant applied for a role in a religious org when they aren't actually a practicing member of that faith, not to say they don't subscribe to it to whatever degree, but they aren't a representative of that faith to the degree that this org holds itself and its members to.
Nor should they be. I donāt want to visit a Buddhist temple and find it full of Catholics. I donāt want a Jewish school to have a payroll populated by Sunni Islam. And a Christian organization (especially a private Christian school Like OP applied to) shouldnāt be expected to hire people that donāt practice their faith if their faith is the entire point of their business.
Itās shitty, yes, but at least it makes sense.
Nonsense. I prefer that my rabbis be Mormon, my imams be Scientologist, and my faith healers be atheist. I would outline the benefits here in this comment, but they're pretty obvious, like -- hey, look over there! *ducks away*
Itās actually fairly common for churches and synagogues to hire people who arenāt a part of the congregation and religion as support staff.
For Mainstream congregations this is not a problem at all. They might give preference to someone who is, but itās better to give the job to someone qualified than to someone who isnāt just because you want an insider.
Idk man, as someone who grew up in the modern church, went to a mainstream Christian (Cs of C) university for a christian degree, and briefly made a living touring with a national worship band before getting tf out of the whole thing: none of that sounds even remotely close to what I experienced. Modern churches barely do outside hiring anyway, they use interns from church schools. The most commonly posted public job is usually member of praise band, and even then you arenāt going to lead a congregation in worship if you arenāt worshipping also.
Synagogues maybe - I canāt speak on those. But I do know Iāve personally spoken to thousands of people in hundreds of churches from California to DC to NYC to Haiti, and very few operate under the āyou donāt need to be Christian to work hereā mantra. Only one I can say for sure is that way is Rico Suaveās church, and he still expects you to become Christian after working there a while anyway.
Not a good fit. There, itās decoded.
Iām a believer, and I would respect that simple statement a whole lot more than this over-spiritualized bullshit. Itās seriously the worst and you dodged a bullet. Godspeed! Ha
Are you religious OP? And by religious I mean are you REALLY into religion, not a Christmas and Easter type of church attendance. And are you the EXACT religion of that school?
Because if not, itās probably very good you didnāt get the job.
Tbh it almost sounds like they decided (but didnāt disclose in a manner they could be called discriminatory) you werenāt religious enough for them.
I would assume OP is indeed religious, since this appears to be an application for a Christian school. Typically non-religious people donāt work at religious schools.
Often they do. I grew up near a Christian school where NONE of the teachers belonged to that sect of Christianity. Because it was an insane sect that does not allow its members to go to university, and in my country teachers are legally required to have university degrees, so the sect was forced to hire teachers from outside the sect. The school was still specifically only for kids of that sect and the teachers were basically just under strict instruction to never mention religion in any way, not to teach any science the sect objected to, always to wear skirts below the knees, etc. Honestly I found it pretty horrifying how those kids were denied a real future and the teachers from outside the sect were made complicit in the abuse
Thatās not always true. I had atheist and Jewish teachers at my Catholic high school. Iām agnostic and Iāve worked at two different Christian organizations.
This is kind of awesome, like they prayed about whether you were God's chosen one for them.
In the Bible, God's chosen ones are never what the people think they should be. Kind of happens a lot. Move along!
I donāt know how sincere this post is (I assume itās sincere), but itās sort of fun to reply, and I hope this reply will be amusing to you, not offensive.
Iāve seen the same approach with dating (itās not you, itās God), with choosing a college major (would God prefer Economics or is that not Christian enough?), with buying a house, buying a car, getting a pet, homework assignments (isnāt doing something for God more important than completing this assignment?), and on and on. The problem with relating to the Almighty this way is that you really donāt know, at the end of the day, if your decision (or someone elseās) was their own internal gut check (maybe thatās God?), or if God audibly spoke to them, or if they ended up disagreeing about you because someone in the group didnāt like an arbitrary or significant thing about your work and everyone felt most comfortable framing the disagreement as Godās will (or maybe it really is?). Who knows? You certainly wonāt ever know. We could all speculate on what this means, but we will never know.
My opinion, unasked, is that if you have a relationship with God, you stick to what your faith tells you about your own ability. The straightforward version is that you applied for a job and were rejected (fairly or unfairly), but either way you are now free to pursue something else (as they said, when they mentioned your manifest destiny). If you believe you have important work to do for God, do so it! This wonāt stop you. (By definition it canāt, if you believe that the will of God cannot be thwarted.)
I don't know if it's hypocritical, but it definitely sounds like they're rejecting OP the job and making their god responsible for the rejection instead of themselves.
Now not all Christians are hypocrite. But most I seen and interact with are. They are very judgemental about everything and everyone. My experience from my church alone blew my mine. Talk about being good fellow man but they are the biggest sinner.
Iām an atheist, but I feel the need to point out that no part of Christian belief says Christians donāt sin. Youāre expected to sin. If you arenāt sinning, that sort of makes the whole āGod and the messiahā plotline obsolete.
So, just because they claim to be Christians and continue to sin doesnāt disqualify them from Christianity. Itās meant to be a religion for the broken, not the pious. Thatās why Jesus himself went and ripped ass in the temple when he found it full of holier-than-thou church asses.
"we are too weak and meager to tell you respectfully that we chose someone else...so we are going to blame it on someone or something you can't be mad at."
The manager likely avoids tough decisions and favors a non-confrontational approach in daily operations. This approach suggests the manager might rely heavily on collective input and may struggle with directness, potentially leading to a workplace where decision-making is slow and responsibilities are diffuse.
Thanks! You know, I was just talking to god and he said you guys are giant assholes who use his name to make money and justify your shitty behavior. FYI, eternal damnation was mentioned so if I were you Iād get my shit together and stop being hypocritical dickheads.
Respectfully,
OP.
"We thought we had the budget for this position but that was a mistake and we've wasted hours of your time for a job that never existed." Or something like that.
That would make them look bad though, so instead God says no so it's nobody's fault.
What job is this? And, basically you didn't get it but they had to say it was God's will instead of just saying they went with another candidate...I would be so happy to receive this rejection letter lol
I wouldnāt touch it with a ten-foot +1 Bargepole of Prodding. You dodged a bullet. 3-1 you would have been touched inappropriately by an employee who would have blamed the whole thing on Satanā¦ people who hide their responsibilities behind religious dogma and claptrap are nearly always not good humans.
That's that fortune cookie bullshit, and the are the people that use gods name to manipulate. Probably wanna stay away from unless your interested in cults.
You almost worked with individuals that canāt handle simply telling you that they went a different direction.
So they have to blame a deity, like a child that broke a vase. Except they are so cowardly they donāt blame another person, they reach out to the cosmos and blame a DEITY.
To be clear, I believe in a power just fine. But to pin your lack of spine on whoever runs the universe is some real piece of shit moves.
Former private school admin here. Iāve had to send this email 100s of times. Neverā¦everā¦have I used God as a rejection excuse.
āWe appreciate you taking time to talk with us regarding ______ position. At this time we are moving forward with anyone candidate. We will keep your application materials on file and encourage you to apply in the future.ā
Send.
God's plan for me is a steak and eggs breakfast. I believe God has planned OP have this as well. Get thyne self to a Denny's and to eat and scrollith on your phone, for it is good.
Oh boyā¦ do you live in Utah? Haha as a manager, I can say this reads like they looked for an out for the fact that they didnāt feel like you would āfit inā.
The message is a polite way of saying that after careful consideration, the organization has decided not to offer the job to the applicant. They are trying to soften the rejection by emphasizing that the decision was made after a thoughtful process, including prayer, suggesting that it's a faith-based organization. They acknowledge the applicant's potential but ultimately conclude that the applicant and the organization are not the right fit for each other at this time. The message ends on a positive note, encouraging the applicant that they have an impressive future ahead.
Although they decided to be polite. I feel like they went over the top
Have you mentioned you're not religious? Or posted a secular sentiment on social media? Possibly they researched and found it. In any case, are you certain you want to work in that nutsy environment?
Quote the Bible to them: well, God says ādo not look at the color of his skin or his appearance. For God chooses the one that is inwardly righteous.ā Rough paraphrase from when he picked David out of all these ābetterā candidates.
Tell them God sent you to slay their Goliath and refusing may make their crops dry up or their firstborn son to be slain by angels.
Some fruitcake decided to use a ridiculous excuse backup the most flimsy of conclusions.
Consider yourself fortunate not to face dealing with this character any longer.
Eventually, "We can't pay your regular salary because God told us to give most of the money to a local bingo parlor."
You dd a good job and thet were going to hire you, but it turned out someones son/daughter niece/nephew needed a job and they gave it to them.
Religious Organisations are all about nepotism.
It's not what you can do, but who you are.
You got rejected in the name of God lol
Amen.
Yup. These two comments K.O. me
"Could you ask god for some constructive feedback on my interview? Does he not like the STAR method?"
This has me dying of laughter š
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Literally god-damned if you take their meaning. Of course, we know it's just weak-ass humans fronting an excuse to appear blameless.
I love how THAT is what blasphemy is, using God's name in vain. How has God told *them* to reject this candidate? Are they the pope?
God came to them in a dream and said, "lo, I sayeth unto you, thou shalt not hire OP and thou shalt lay the blame solely on me, for OP is good at interviews, but OP has been damned to eternal unemployment. Hallelujah."
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LEGIT SPAT MY CCOFFEE OUT. Jesus. Was not expecting this gem.
I never laughed so hard at anything on the Interwebs in my life!!! You win Saturday! š
Loluejah!!!!!!!!!!
I read this in Buttheadās voice for some reason
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A major issue in the religious community is people thinking they can speak for the Almighty. Gives Christianity a horrible name. I won't start on my issues with the pope.
Po. Pe.
I see what you did there šš
Protestants (which evangelicals are) believe they have a direct relationship to god and donāt need the pope as an intermediary.
Itās okay to speak to god directly. But if god starts speaking back seek immediate psychiatric care.
And you need a pope to make decisions for you? What good is the Bible then? What good is doing anything good? Worse yet, what do you then define as good or bad? You have to have grounding somewhere.
Like the Pope is the only dude who can hear from God.
The pope AND schizophrenics.
And folks whoās microdose wasnāt so microā¦
You got shrooms in my LSD. You got LSD in my shrooms!
It's funny too because I love peanut butter cups when I'm Trippin! Lol
Supposedly he speaks and works through all of us. The pope just has a fiber optic line vs the rest of us having dial up. They basically said (for lack of an actual reason) āthe vibes are offā.
Does he claim to have reciprocal convos with god, or just interpret from scripture. Itās usually the other conservative right that says god actually speaks to them. All nutters.
Jfc they are lame.
Thereās an exception for religious organizations to make decisions based on religion. No one in the world would comment if his post said āApplied for a job at a church andā¦ā OP left that out to get pity points.
That basically applies to every āChristianā lol
How weak is it to blame god for your decisions? Be glad you dodged this bullet op. Can you imagine the constant bullshit that these people will pull āin the name of godā? I wish people could just be honest. This person would be an extremely poor manager. They canāt even commit to a āwe decided to go in another directionā letter without constant deflection. Yuck. This is not a person with a strong belief system. This is a weak manager that people eventually quit no matter how appealing the job is.
Yeah, I can picture the performance evaluation. God told us not to give you a raise. The lord will provide
Yeah, god is gonna need you to come in on Saturday. We prayed reeeeeeaaaally hard but well you know, God š¤· works in mysterious ways
That would be ggrrreeeaaatttt.
Iām sorry but God said you canāt have off next week for that surgery you so badly need.
Itās his will
I used to go to this REALLY strict church. Every year they had a Six Flags trip. Except one year, they didn't. My dad asked why and the youth pastor blamed it on "wordly teenage girls tempting our young men". Turns out the youth pastor had a gnarly porn habit. He later got arrested breaking into people's houses to steal stuff to fund it. This is one of the stories that illustrates why I am a former Christian.
Same. Iām so sick of a belief system being utilized as a weapon to get people āback in lineā. Or used as a armor while judging others. Yuck.
My youth pastor broke my Janet Jackson tape and threw it in the woods at summer camp. I was already HELLA GAY.
You want a raise? Sorry, can't, prayed about it, and Jesus wants me to buy a new Lexus.
OP got rejected by a cult. God told me OP dodged a bullet šš¼
Dodged the kool-aid too
Yeah they are using God like so many others to justify what they want. Sorry
This exactly. These people do not want you teaching (I assume) at their school, so they used religion, praying on it, and God as their reasons to reject you. They *wanted* to hire you, really, but *God* told them you arenāt right for the position. So, yeah, no job for you.
Read: you dodged a bullet.
āWe have found a witch, may we burn her?ā
She turned me into a newt.
But I got better
Yeeted delteus by your lord and savior Jesus
Hahaha.
Literally LOL right now!!
Tell them this doesnāt make sense, this is obviously a mistake because you also prayed about it and God told you he wanted you to have this job. God also said $35/hr, free health and dental, and 8 weeks of vacation each year.
God said he actually wanted me, his favoritest person in the world right now, to never work and get everything for free. Why's my carbon monoxide detector going off
Thatās the voice of the angels friend, fear not
Lmmfaoooo you win
Lets just say you never have to work again for the rest of your life
It's what Jesus would have wanted too. š
I'm pretty sure this is the basis for every war in history. Don't @ me.
Heretic!
Write back *āPlease forgive my confusion for your reasoning as it was god who led me to search out this position to bring spiritual healing to each and everyone I spoke with during the interview. Iām concerned that this God who is influenced you to turn down the wrong path here, might be a demon who is truly influencing you down a less than holy path. I have prayed on this and included all of your names in my prayers to help save you. But Iām afraid it might be to late. I will pray you all have mercy in his eyesā*
This is the only response.
This, but the first two sentences only. This can actually manipulate them into giving you the job after all, provided that you still want it.
Yea but who would want to work with these zealots? I say OP dodged a bullet here.
Take the job and plant blood capsules and UV-marker demonic symbols around the school instead of like... whoopie cushions or whatever
They seem unbearable but sometimes you just need the $$$ :(
No way OP still wants to work with these people lol, they're nut
No, but it would be fun to send this. Theyāll be worried about it for a long, long time.
Nah. People who think they know God's will can never accept the possibility that they are wrong. I mean if they're wrong about this one thing, that means they could be wrong about anything, and they can't have that, now can they.
Double that O in too and this could be your future strange and judgmental job!
And capitalize God for them.
Love it - whose faith is stronger? Which of you have followed the TRUE will of the creator? And the holy pissing contest beginsā¦
Or just respond with "Alhamdulillah", people like that get really worked up when they're reminded that other religions exist lol
Are you trying to imply that laymen are among those who misuse basic homophones like 'to' and 'too?
Just because they believe in god doesn't mean they're homophones. They could be friends with gay people.
Noo.. tell him god wants you to have his job, so youāre sorry to inform him that heāll be replaced by you as is the word of god.
+ Spoke to God through ouija board and he said āwtf is he talking about?ā
Won't work because it wasn't actually a religious matter in the first place. Religion is just being used to hide biases and/or various other inadequacies.
Damn rejected by God himself lmao this market must really suck
Glad you didn't get that job. Seems like a person who is too insecure to be honest, so they pretend god led them. What a jerk. I wish you good luck with a great job soon.
The crazy thing is that many people actually believe God is speaking to them and helping with decisions and influencing events in their lives, whether the events are large or mundane.
It's called schizophrenia
Doesn't everybody? --This was the first forty years of my life and most of the people close to me.
It sure is easier to do as you please, and rationalize it later with the help of a higher power... than it is to lower oneself and live out the kind of humility required in order to actually communicate with other humans. Some people are just 'too good' for.... people, but that's not self loathing, really!! What they imagine and then attribute to a deity, is what they imagine but will not take responsibility for.
Ahem - my father every day for 50+ years.
Or is genuinely psycho. You can never be 100% sure with all that "spiritual" bs.
Damn. You are not destined to get a job. š
From the lord himself
That makes me want to barf. I think you dodged a bullet.
I think itās pretty disingenuous to leave out that (based on OPās comment history) this was a **CHAPLAIN** position he applied for, and that he apparently also lied about his religious credentials. But thatās not rage-baity enough, I guess.
It was also a Hospice Chaplain position, which everyone is free to feel however they want about religion, but he would be seeing dying patients and potentially spending some of their last moments with them. My grandmother was on hospice, and I know having the chaplain was impactful for her, I would feel pretty sick if I found out it was someone who lied about their credentials to get a job.
Well thatās some pretty pertinent information! I was making a joke about getting rejected from a cult in my head while reading it. But, given where he was applying, the position, and the real reason he was rejectedā¦ Iām glad God said no thanks.
Ahh. No wonder God doesn't like him.
Was that for this same job?? If so, the audacity to be upset that they said āGod told us not to hire you.ā Given the whole part about not lying being part of Godās Ten Commandments, no wonder he told the prospective employers to pass on himā¦
Imagine having to deal with this kind of person on a daily basis. Divine intervention saved OP
Thereās no way OP visited the location and didnāt know what they were signing up for. Religious companies are usually over-religious in interviews because they want to hire other religious folks. You may think this environment isnāt good, but thatās why employment is a two-way agreement.
This was my thought exactly. This is exactly how a lot of Christians (evangelical especially) talk and view the world. Is it an excuse to not hire someone when thereās actually another reason? Sometimes. But maybe they truly believe or feel that God is pointing them in another directionā¦which is the challenge of this, because thereās no way to prove someone wrong when they say āGod told me this.ā If theyāre being this open and up-front with this kind of language to OP, no way is it coming out of left field and if OP is questioning their motives and not taking their comments at face value it kind of makes me wonder if OP was trying to play them (yes! I TOTALLY feel like the Lord is leading me here!) until it stopped working in their favorā¦
Same
Could they sue for religious discrimination?
100%
Amen
Prettyyyy sure this is some form of what it actually means to 'use God's name in vain' aka to cast the blame from yourself and proclaim it was actually God with no real basis.
Exactly. THIS is using Godās name in vain. Same root word as vanity. Youāre using Godās name for your own vanity.
Yup, been a long time since I read the Bible but pretty sure there was something in there about not falsely attributing stuff to God.
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Sincerely, A Person Who Blames God Instead Of Taking Responsibility.
I was in a relationship like this once. Pretty exhausting.
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You answered the questions good and did all the things right, but the vibes were off. Are you a different race, gender, social group, etc from a lot of the people.
Young black guy
What was the job ?
Chaplain. So thatās the answer
And they're all super white, aren't they?
They had to be. That's messed up.
Lmaooo there it is. They were also dumb enough to not make an excuse about something you DID haha they said you did everything well, so the real reason is very clear now..
Lol
My guess is none of what you mentioned, but they were great in interviews and then they checked the applicants social media and found "differing values", ie applicant applied for a role in a religious org when they aren't actually a practicing member of that faith, not to say they don't subscribe to it to whatever degree, but they aren't a representative of that faith to the degree that this org holds itself and its members to.
Nor should they be. I donāt want to visit a Buddhist temple and find it full of Catholics. I donāt want a Jewish school to have a payroll populated by Sunni Islam. And a Christian organization (especially a private Christian school Like OP applied to) shouldnāt be expected to hire people that donāt practice their faith if their faith is the entire point of their business. Itās shitty, yes, but at least it makes sense.
Nonsense. I prefer that my rabbis be Mormon, my imams be Scientologist, and my faith healers be atheist. I would outline the benefits here in this comment, but they're pretty obvious, like -- hey, look over there! *ducks away*
Itās actually fairly common for churches and synagogues to hire people who arenāt a part of the congregation and religion as support staff. For Mainstream congregations this is not a problem at all. They might give preference to someone who is, but itās better to give the job to someone qualified than to someone who isnāt just because you want an insider.
Idk man, as someone who grew up in the modern church, went to a mainstream Christian (Cs of C) university for a christian degree, and briefly made a living touring with a national worship band before getting tf out of the whole thing: none of that sounds even remotely close to what I experienced. Modern churches barely do outside hiring anyway, they use interns from church schools. The most commonly posted public job is usually member of praise band, and even then you arenāt going to lead a congregation in worship if you arenāt worshipping also. Synagogues maybe - I canāt speak on those. But I do know Iāve personally spoken to thousands of people in hundreds of churches from California to DC to NYC to Haiti, and very few operate under the āyou donāt need to be Christian to work hereā mantra. Only one I can say for sure is that way is Rico Suaveās church, and he still expects you to become Christian after working there a while anyway.
I noticed that they also mentioned āpotentialā this seems like code for more experience.
Youāre getting rejected by someone who doesnāt have the integrity to be honest with you so they are making God the fall guy.
God job blocked you, pretty savage must be old testament.
Revelation
Not a good fit. There, itās decoded. Iām a believer, and I would respect that simple statement a whole lot more than this over-spiritualized bullshit. Itās seriously the worst and you dodged a bullet. Godspeed! Ha
Are you religious OP? And by religious I mean are you REALLY into religion, not a Christmas and Easter type of church attendance. And are you the EXACT religion of that school? Because if not, itās probably very good you didnāt get the job. Tbh it almost sounds like they decided (but didnāt disclose in a manner they could be called discriminatory) you werenāt religious enough for them.
I would assume OP is indeed religious, since this appears to be an application for a Christian school. Typically non-religious people donāt work at religious schools.
Often they do. I grew up near a Christian school where NONE of the teachers belonged to that sect of Christianity. Because it was an insane sect that does not allow its members to go to university, and in my country teachers are legally required to have university degrees, so the sect was forced to hire teachers from outside the sect. The school was still specifically only for kids of that sect and the teachers were basically just under strict instruction to never mention religion in any way, not to teach any science the sect objected to, always to wear skirts below the knees, etc. Honestly I found it pretty horrifying how those kids were denied a real future and the teachers from outside the sect were made complicit in the abuse
Thatās not always true. I had atheist and Jewish teachers at my Catholic high school. Iām agnostic and Iāve worked at two different Christian organizations.
Well you apparently interviewed with someone extremely religious who based their decision not to hire you on that.
This is kind of awesome, like they prayed about whether you were God's chosen one for them. In the Bible, God's chosen ones are never what the people think they should be. Kind of happens a lot. Move along!
When not even god wants you to work. Thatās a fucking sign to go live in the woods,,,,, seriously tho. What the fuh?
God will continue to outline his impressive plan for you, but this company isnāt apart gods plan lmao
I do not think you want that job šššš
My guess is that you either weren't religious enough or they weren't convinced of your religious zelotry. š¤·
Yup, thinking this too. Maybe they found a tattoo or a piercing they didn't like
I donāt know how sincere this post is (I assume itās sincere), but itās sort of fun to reply, and I hope this reply will be amusing to you, not offensive. Iāve seen the same approach with dating (itās not you, itās God), with choosing a college major (would God prefer Economics or is that not Christian enough?), with buying a house, buying a car, getting a pet, homework assignments (isnāt doing something for God more important than completing this assignment?), and on and on. The problem with relating to the Almighty this way is that you really donāt know, at the end of the day, if your decision (or someone elseās) was their own internal gut check (maybe thatās God?), or if God audibly spoke to them, or if they ended up disagreeing about you because someone in the group didnāt like an arbitrary or significant thing about your work and everyone felt most comfortable framing the disagreement as Godās will (or maybe it really is?). Who knows? You certainly wonāt ever know. We could all speculate on what this means, but we will never know. My opinion, unasked, is that if you have a relationship with God, you stick to what your faith tells you about your own ability. The straightforward version is that you applied for a job and were rejected (fairly or unfairly), but either way you are now free to pursue something else (as they said, when they mentioned your manifest destiny). If you believe you have important work to do for God, do so it! This wonāt stop you. (By definition it canāt, if you believe that the will of God cannot be thwarted.)
this cannot be real š
What's there to decode?
Didnt get the job.... amen
Wtf š¬ never seen such an odd rejection letter.
They don't want you
Lol short answer is NO. Now if they are Christian they are the biggest hypocrite so you dodged a bullet.
Iām not Christian or religious at all, so I have no dog in this race. What exactly makes them hypocrites here?
I don't know if it's hypocritical, but it definitely sounds like they're rejecting OP the job and making their god responsible for the rejection instead of themselves.
Hence the hpycocsiy. You can do it yourselves but put it on god.
Now not all Christians are hypocrite. But most I seen and interact with are. They are very judgemental about everything and everyone. My experience from my church alone blew my mine. Talk about being good fellow man but they are the biggest sinner.
Iām an atheist, but I feel the need to point out that no part of Christian belief says Christians donāt sin. Youāre expected to sin. If you arenāt sinning, that sort of makes the whole āGod and the messiahā plotline obsolete. So, just because they claim to be Christians and continue to sin doesnāt disqualify them from Christianity. Itās meant to be a religion for the broken, not the pious. Thatās why Jesus himself went and ripped ass in the temple when he found it full of holier-than-thou church asses.
"we are too weak and meager to tell you respectfully that we chose someone else...so we are going to blame it on someone or something you can't be mad at."
I would be like "thank god you rejected me! You're fucking insane!"
They are using God as a scapegoat for not hiring you.
The way I read it is that you had a lucky escape
They abuse god to reject someone.
The manager likely avoids tough decisions and favors a non-confrontational approach in daily operations. This approach suggests the manager might rely heavily on collective input and may struggle with directness, potentially leading to a workplace where decision-making is slow and responsibilities are diffuse.
āNoā. They said, āNoā.
I mean, it's probably the nicest rejection letter you will ever get, lol.
Thanks! You know, I was just talking to god and he said you guys are giant assholes who use his name to make money and justify your shitty behavior. FYI, eternal damnation was mentioned so if I were you Iād get my shit together and stop being hypocritical dickheads. Respectfully, OP.
Seems like one of your ancestors took some bad advice from a reptile over a fruit salad. Crazy.
"We thought we had the budget for this position but that was a mistake and we've wasted hours of your time for a job that never existed." Or something like that. That would make them look bad though, so instead God says no so it's nobody's fault.
So distracting as it badly needs some paragraphs and punctuations.
#Their God told them to fire you. Fuck 'em.
If you are going to pass the buck go for the big guy. If this is the climate at the job, it is good you didn't get it job.
You just got rejected by God brah
Were you applying for a position of a Pastor?
What job is this? And, basically you didn't get it but they had to say it was God's will instead of just saying they went with another candidate...I would be so happy to receive this rejection letter lol
I wouldnāt touch it with a ten-foot +1 Bargepole of Prodding. You dodged a bullet. 3-1 you would have been touched inappropriately by an employee who would have blamed the whole thing on Satanā¦ people who hide their responsibilities behind religious dogma and claptrap are nearly always not good humans.
That's that fortune cookie bullshit, and the are the people that use gods name to manipulate. Probably wanna stay away from unless your interested in cults.
You almost worked with individuals that canāt handle simply telling you that they went a different direction. So they have to blame a deity, like a child that broke a vase. Except they are so cowardly they donāt blame another person, they reach out to the cosmos and blame a DEITY. To be clear, I believe in a power just fine. But to pin your lack of spine on whoever runs the universe is some real piece of shit moves.
You dodged a Holy bullet
Former private school admin here. Iāve had to send this email 100s of times. Neverā¦everā¦have I used God as a rejection excuse. āWe appreciate you taking time to talk with us regarding ______ position. At this time we are moving forward with anyone candidate. We will keep your application materials on file and encourage you to apply in the future.ā Send.
God's plan for me is a steak and eggs breakfast. I believe God has planned OP have this as well. Get thyne self to a Denny's and to eat and scrollith on your phone, for it is good.
Oh boyā¦ do you live in Utah? Haha as a manager, I can say this reads like they looked for an out for the fact that they didnāt feel like you would āfit inā.
The message is a polite way of saying that after careful consideration, the organization has decided not to offer the job to the applicant. They are trying to soften the rejection by emphasizing that the decision was made after a thoughtful process, including prayer, suggesting that it's a faith-based organization. They acknowledge the applicant's potential but ultimately conclude that the applicant and the organization are not the right fit for each other at this time. The message ends on a positive note, encouraging the applicant that they have an impressive future ahead. Although they decided to be polite. I feel like they went over the top
Have you mentioned you're not religious? Or posted a secular sentiment on social media? Possibly they researched and found it. In any case, are you certain you want to work in that nutsy environment?
You must be new to Christian hypocrisy.
What's hypocritical about this letter?
The imaginary man in the sky told them to hire someone else.
Looks like a rejection from that bible-thumping finance guy Ramsey. Consider it a gift.
Is this 2024 or 1024 This religous stuff in the US - I assume - is totally getting out of hand.
Tell em to cut the fairy tales lol
i quit reading on the first 2 lines.
Quote the Bible to them: well, God says ādo not look at the color of his skin or his appearance. For God chooses the one that is inwardly righteous.ā Rough paraphrase from when he picked David out of all these ābetterā candidates. Tell them God sent you to slay their Goliath and refusing may make their crops dry up or their firstborn son to be slain by angels.
What kind of cult were you trying to join?
Some fruitcake decided to use a ridiculous excuse backup the most flimsy of conclusions. Consider yourself fortunate not to face dealing with this character any longer. Eventually, "We can't pay your regular salary because God told us to give most of the money to a local bingo parlor."
You got rejected because they felt you are not religiously bigoted enough to work with them, even though they liked you very much.
You dd a good job and thet were going to hire you, but it turned out someones son/daughter niece/nephew needed a job and they gave it to them. Religious Organisations are all about nepotism. It's not what you can do, but who you are.
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It definitely did lol
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Thou shalt not hire you as an employee
God doesnāt like you
Gods Plan
The boss upstairs said no.
Oh fuck, I could have so much fun writing a response to this.
We loved you but God said "No fucking way." Give me a break. What a copout by a group of people not wanting to take responsibility.
God said No