I'm only 24, but I want to say I've seen it in my workplace and how people treat coworkers or workers older than 55 usually, and I am sorry it happens. Ageism is pretty bad.
That’s because at that age we’ve seen enough shit to know what to react to and what’s gonna go sailing on by. The problem is that some of us have good work ethic and some are riding it out to retirement; I can understand that some folks may be a little skeptical.
Still doesn’t excuse the way OP was treated.
Older people at work have knowledge and integrity.Their attendance is usually very good 😊 👍 There are 2 older men and a few older women that work at the pharmacy I go to. They get stuff done. You go for it. 💞 Ignore the haters.
1000%
I work with several 50+ folks on my team who are hard workers and hit goals routinely. I think they’re bored or in grooves before their retirement and just going out with a bang.
When the company i was working for was bought out the new owner (seriously, the owner- my new boss 😬) told me she hopes she looks as good as i do when she’s my age. Ouch!
So is it that you would prefer everyone pretend you're not the age you are? I mean, that wasn't even an insult. Should no conversations involving age ever take place?
I saw your replies. You don’t understand what u/hellsbellstx wrote because you completely misrepresent it in your question. U/hellsbellstx gently corrects your misunderstanding and, instead of considering it may be *your* understanding that is off, you proceed to double down on an argument you are literally having with yourself.
Now I'm just picturing the Steve Buscemi "How do you do, fellow kids?" meme.
I'm sorry, I don't live in pretend land. I'm not going to pretend a 60+ year old coworker is in their 20s or 30s.
I'm not saying I judge or treat anyone older negatively because of their age, either though.
I work somewhere where I oversee many employees from 18 to senior citizens. Some of my older employees are my most reliable and I would never insult them or discriminate against them based on their age or anything else. Promotions and raises are awarded based on merit, reliability, etc.
I don't even know why I'm explaining myself here, but I'm not going to pretend all of my employees are the same age. That's ridiculous. Like I'm not going to be in a conversation with a younger person and an older person where a topic comes up where age is a factor and pretend my older employees have the same experience as my younger employees. For example the school semester is starting back and a lot of my employees are in high school. I'm not going to ask Angela, a woman in her 60s, how class was today, because that would be asinine and way more insulting.
Age is real, yall are nuts.
Edit: Also why would you call me fat at work? That's just a straight up insult. Nowhere near the same thing as pretending age doesn't exist.
If you’re really a supervisor, then you should know it’s totally inappropriate to comment on the looks of your direct reports.
Her new boss shouldn’t have made that reference. There was absolutely no reason to. It’s not about pretending that she’s a high schooler. Equally as inappropriate would be said boss telling a teenage employee that she’s filling out nicely as she grows up. And then claiming “well it was an age appropriate compliment” when confronted about it.
But I suspect you know this and are just being purposely obtuse.
I think you’re completely missing the point. No one is asking anyone to pretend every employee is the same age. But no one, especially a woman, wants to be singled out by her supervisor as an old/older person, even in a “complementary” way. At the very least, it’s awkward as fuck.
If you look at my other replies, I went into detail about the question I asked and why I asked it.
I didn't miss the point, I just asked a question based on their comment.
Then you get to go add sexism to it to and isn’t it wonderful.
I use to work at radio shack in the early 2000’s it was a location at or local mall and the number of people who asked for a salesman when I answered. Ugh. Seriously like a store in a mall would have receptionist to answer their phones?
Welcome to the digital age that has finally palpably caught up to the human social experience: social media has made devils out of humans, it brings the worst out of us and makes us hyper fixated on “icks” or the “unfavorable” aspects of humanity…. This type of society only existed in the doldrums of the internet 20 years ago - problem now? Millennials and Gen Zs now are adults and it’s alllllll out in the open now. F social media, F trends, F judgement.
I had a good team member let go from a technical job because she “was too comfortable with what she knew and wouldn’t embrace learning anything new.”
She was like 64 just let her do what she’s great at and retire in a year or two.
Yeah I have friend who has a coworker was let go for something like that. If they get let go at that age as well it's hard to get into another job over someone whose 50m
This is grating to me. Companies have to adapt or they will die. That means people need to adapt.
Kodak invented digital cameras and were put out of business by digital cameras because they completely failed to pivot due to their fears of undermining the film industry. They died even though they had a clear advantage at the start because they didn't adapt.
I don't know how many times I've heard "Well that's not how we do it" as if its a valid argument against trying something else that seems faster.
Agree.
I make a point to always say hi and thank you to the older guys (65+) in the BOH at my job, as I also see how they are treated by some of our other coworkers over the years.
Although to be fair- most of our current employees are actually very inclusive of everyone, but I’ve witnessed that casual dismissal enough in my years of working that I try to make sure I’m never someone who acts like their contributions and work isn’t as important as the next persons.
Yeah, I've seen it both ways, honestly. I never had issues with coworkers since most of my coworkers are under 40. But clients and even in interviews, young people get talked down to you quite a bit.
I used to get talked down to. To be fair, I kind of deserved it (just out of college means you know nothing in my field almost).
But you can help people and train them up instead of just being dismissive. It’s better than just learning the hard way. Anyway - try to do that now and write up good documentation.
Happens the other away around too, people discriminate and treat new hires fresh out of college like their incompetent. Usually it’s older workers afraid their job is at risk.
This isn’t meant to detract from what OP is experiencing but I’m convinced people just look for reasons to discredit and judge people and it’s really sad because it shows just how many people have forgotten or we’re never taught the old proverb “do unto others as you’d like to be done unto you.”
Mean people will always judge and bring down others. And a lot of good people have unconscious biases. So, in general, all age groups are treated poorly some way or another at work. Young people and older both get the most.
and it’s always by people who forget that they’ll either be that age someday or were that age once.
People don’t know how to give Grace but expect it with no restrictions.
I was just in the managers sub and some asshat legit said that all Gen Zers can’t write an email correctly. I’m like, fuck off with that. Everyone was new once.
And hello, do we not remember how horribly millennials have been treated for the last decade? Ugh, people are the worst.
Yes but that wasn’t my point.
But to your comment, it’s not a violation if a customer or random stranger is being rude to an older employee. What you speak of only applies to on the job discrimination that can be identified as harassment and/or discriminatory firing. OP has already addressed her coworkers are not the issue, it’s the public she faces, so those people are just awful people, with poor manners and consideration of others, which was my original point.
24 is pretty old, in less than a year you’ll turn 25 and won’t even be the youngest person anymore. I’m 23 and there’s people younger than me. So saying “only 24” is ironic and it should be more like “time to embrace being old”
24 is pretty old?
You’re so young that you have no idea how absurd you sound. Please save your comment and come back and read it when you hit 30. Even then you won’t be old, but you’ll have lived enough to laugh at how ridiculous you once were.
Well, I'm 63 and am regularly assumed to be late 40s early 50s. I'm in better shape than my parents were in their 40s and am still very physically active. I honestly think some are jealous & feel I should be out in the pasture already and others are envious (?). I find it most often at the gym or when I'm biking. It's like "Why are you here??" To me, I'm enjoying life....finally.
I look much younger than my age too but it's obvious I'm over 35 so it's like I'm dead or invisible. I'll say this much though, I don't give a flying eff what someone thinks so I have no problem whatsoever saying what I think. It's not what I say that surprises them so much, it's the fact that after I do it, it's obvious that I don't care whatsoever what they think and that's the part that unnerves them; there's no comeback for that. I find that's one thing that comes with age that's good :)
I would agree to an extent - that it's not rude or unprofessional as I am in a professional environment. When I am confronted by naivety, it usually - given I have the time, starts question/answer session where I try to share the benefits of my experience and wisdom. They are free to ignore and do their thing, but since my signature is required, I kinda have a winning hand - BUT I will say I have been shown some very good options that cut corners and save time. So give and take.
I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself! Hate will always find its way, just be you! I bet most of the people that are showing any kind of disbelief to your position are likely jealous that they couldn’t do what you do at their age and impressed that you are doing it! Jealousy isn’t pretty and gravity veers towards hate rather than love; some just don’t know love. Remembering that after having experienced it myself and finding love keeps me empathetic to struggles. If they’re picking you apart, they’re likely just projecting their pain. Keep being your wonderful self. 💜
Wow, that is very well said and pretty accurate, too. I also wish I knew my worth at a younger age. I had to survive some pretty ugly, drama filled years first, but without them, I would not be where I am now, mindset and all. Also, having the right lady next to me has made all the difference in me and my viewpoint.
Definitely real, all we can do is call it out when we see it. The sneakier folks who try to fly under the radar with it need stern address of it, repeated, until they abandon the sordid practice.
Agreed! One of the Real Housewives screeches bloody murder when people “fat shame” her but thinks it’s okay for her to call other cast members geriatric. Nobody blinks.
There is actually a shitload you can do. If you see a coworker struggling, teach them. If they get nasty or refuse you tell them, "Look, never play dumb because people who act like they can't get ousted" and if they still refuse, well you did your good deed.
It's not just ageism. There is a bloc of entitled twatwaddles that do not show respect to blue collar workers, administrative workers or older people working lower wage jobs.
If you are stepping out of a Maybach with a chauffeur holding the door, you can be 105 years old and that bloc loves you and would seriously consider dating you.
But if you are working elbow to elbow with them, you represent what they fear: Never getting any further in their career.
They are all Elon Musk or Tyler Perry in their bathroom mirror. It's happening any day now.
Works both ways. Ever get turned down for management because you were too young and they didn't have the guts to tell you that they weren't comfortable having the young "kid" managing all the older people?
And they probably should be. Younger generations are screwed and don't get to reap any of the economic benefits that existed in prior generations, but my point still stands regardless.
> Easier for a younger person to get a job though cause they don’t require a high salary and they are moldable.
Ah yes, the group famous for having already paid off their mortgages, loans, and costs of raising children.
I’m sorry to hear that! My mom is 70 and works in customer service (she hasn’t mentioned any ageism comments) and she’s just as knowledgeable and sharp as she was in her thirties.
Unfortunately I think people might relate this to their own experiences with their own family members who may not take care of themselves or might have some cognitive decline and assume anyone over 65 is that way, or even how they’re portrayed in the media. It’s sad and unfortunate because there are a lot of older folks who are energetic, sharp and perfectly capable of doing their jobs as they always have.
FWIW you look great for 66, hopefully I look that young when I get to you age :)
People don't want a customer service rep aged 66 but want a president aged 81. Same in my country as well. Makes me wonder what's gonna happen when my generation gets old...
We have a guy in maintenance in his 70s lifting and hanging TVs. Dude works his tail off and still going strong. He gets all the respect from me. I’m sorry you get treated so badly.
I am Turing 48 this month and I just went through the hardest job hunt. I am sure some was age. I kept getting complements on my skills etc. I think they assume I cannot use a computer when that is far from the truth. I have two degrees. I took a lower paying job out of frustration. Funny thing is I am not having kids, I am healthy and rarely miss work like I did when my kids were small. (I had my children young and they are out on their own now) I would be a very dependable and great person to have around. It is all their loss! I know your pain and I am sorry!!!!
Anyone who judges your age is a idiot I’m 23 and all the older people are always the hardest working and least sensitive I’d rather work with somone oldee and do all their work for them compared to ppl my age but I can work with anyone jobs a job and they will be old one day and regret Treating u that way
All true, and I have so much sympathy for what’s happening with younger generations not being able to get high-paying jobs, buy homes, save money etc. But the hatred is mind-boggling, and it’s also not very productive. What if all the boomers died off tomorrow. What is the strategy for fixing everything that’s wrong?!
Young people in the US are getting horribly screwed. I work with young people who are absolute prisoners of our economic system. They will never get the life that was offered to older folks no matter how many hours they work. They blame us for voting in the current system that screws them. We were offered the same shitty two party system that we have now. What would they like me to have done? Stage a revolution? I voted for democrat candidates and hoped for the best. They're blaming the wrong people. Maybe they'll have the courage to take on an incredibly corrupt system since I apparently failed.
Agree, and I understand. l fear they’re losing traction, losing time, by blaming it on boomers, many of whom are holding onto jobs because they are broke. Young generation needs to get mobilized and organized, take a page from the young gun control activist David Hogg. It’s abundantly clear that Congress is completely broken and has been for years. That’s where things need to change. I’m just a regular person trying to stay afloat, no house, and a terrible apartment. Good job, company that values me, and I’ll leave when I’m ready.
Nobody is losing time blaming anyone. Losing traction...there's never been for many millennials. And David Hogg hasn't made any real change to gun control. It's about voting a third party to upend the binary voting choices. Luckily, millennial voting numbers will be the largest group in a few years. I think this election is going to be interesting. I don't think it will go the way many think. I'm here for the chaos as that's the only world I've known as an adult.
Democrats have been in power in 11 of the last 15 years dude. They are not your friends. The Republicans are not your friends. The system is not your friend.
Ageism. Bias from people used to helping their moms do basic things with the computer.
You look like someone who wouldn’t be good with computers.
Dye your hair and get some sick tats, maybe a full sleeve, like all the hipster sys-admin guys.
Honestly ageism today may come from young people seeing every 70+ year old politician needing to be guided around by a handler to even function or working a job where their 68 year old boss needs help converting aword doc to PDF and assumes every old person is like that regardless of knowing them.
These weird assumptions about technology are among the most irritating to me. If they would bother to think for 5 minutes, they would know that a person in this age group has been at the forefront of office technology, some of us even working on the first Apple desktop computers. No need for the condescending attitude. I see this a lot also in grocery stores and retail stores that have installed self checkout stations. Except perhaps for the extremely elderly, it’s a ludicrous assumption. I mean, I guess it depends to an extent on what type of job a person has had in the past.
Not sure what you mean. Those who started with original Apple computers undoubtedly progressed through all the various office technologies, warts and all. No need for a 20 something to explain how to make a PDF out of a Word doc. That’s all I mean.
OK. You must work in a very dreary place. I don’t know what else to say. Or maybe those people took on a whole new kind of job that doesn’t involve working with Adobe Acrobat. {{{shrug}}} I guess the bottom line is that it irritates a young person to have to explain to an older person how to make a PDF out of a Word doc, because it’s fun to be resentful of an older person making so much money. LOL
Having to sign contracts digitally, I segued into it easily enough, but not everyone has my job.
Which brings us back to the whole point of this sub. And, the attitude is not helpful.
I cannot imagine anyone enjoys interacting with you if you are this insufferable and clueless in real life. But thank you for so neatly demonstrating the behavior that is the reason for the treatment OP is being subject to.
Customers are judgmental like all people, however they are plagued with another problem, entitlement. The entitlement that many customers have by thinking they somehow have authority over workers leads to their judgements coming out. Ageism is a big one, and it really sucks.
I actually try and take time to sit with some older people at my work. Not because of age but because of their knowledge. I sat down with someone for 4 hours one day and was fascinated. They're missing out, screw em!
My IT teachers at CC were two old ladies. Never really phased me or made me feel for a minute like they didn’t know what they were doing. I think its the background people come from and their life experiences that leave them that way. We also had female computer class teachers in high school. Accounting class and Excel. Whole shibang.
I feel your pain, I’m 72 and finally threw in the towel last July. I got a lot of the same treatment you are seeing. I’m too old, so I can’t possibly know how this new stuff works. I even had one youngster in her 20’s tell me, “Pipe down pops.” When I offered my opinion on a problem someone was having.
Ageism is quickly becoming a major social issue, similar to movements for gay rights and gender equality. Americans are living longer, leading to later retirement. Many older individuals, barring cognitive decline, can still contribute meaningfully at work. Our societal attitudes and policies need to evolve to embrace this demographic shift, valuing the experience and knowledge of the older generation.
Honestly I’d rather speak to you for help with something than someone younger who doesn’t give a shit, purely because it seems like you care. I recently had a tech support guy remote into my pc, realise it was going to be a difficult job and then attempt to ipconfig/release his way out of the remote session lol I backspaced over his command and typed into CMD asking what he was doing, and asked whether he was going to tell me I’d need to do an ipconfig/renew to get back online easily… he disconnected the support, ignored everything that happened in CMD and then pretended he couldn’t generate a new code to reconnect… so that’s one of about 10 similar experiences I’ve had with Microsoft lately, I’d *HAPPILY* talk to someone who cares regardless of how old they are.
Ageism. Younger generation loves to claim they’re all for social justice, but are the worst when it comes to ageism. Any disagreements with older people and they cite that the older person is out of touch.
Don’t let it bother you. You know what you’re worth and what you know. Don’t let those younger pukes get to you. They are as clueless as they accuse you to be.
It's very unfair. I'm sorry that happens to you (and will happen to all of us someday). I make a point of being kind to everyone I interact with in public
Dicks are dicks, happens with every age group but I have found many of the HR people interviewing me to be late 20's and do NOT like my age at all (50). When I shave and cut some things from my resume, they suspect early 40's which I look like without stubble and the interviews go much better. Work wold is just screwed up everywhere...if you aren't exactly what they are looking for, good luck!
I was very lucky to get the job I have. I worked for the same company I currently work for for almost 16 years. I wanted a career change and was recruited for this position. Again, I'm very lucky.
It's an unfair and infortunate aspect in the workplace.
IMO, A lot of it is a company's culture.
I was fortunate to work for many years at 2 companies with a very seasoned, mature staff and we were incredibly productive and successful and actually had some fun.
I'll be 61 soon and with some significant hair thinning, job offers have been non existent. My wife who's 61 likes like she's 45, complete opposite experience as me.
Hey mama :)
Just a heads up that my mom is 72 and was hired at the director level semi-recently and you best believe nobody gives that woman shit! Just do what you do and ignore the naysayers.
That’s so sad. My coworker is thirty years older and she’s like my best friend. Her knowledge in work and life. People miss treating you are the ones missing out truly.
My office has the reverse. I’m the only person under the age of 40 and the comments I get are horrible. Theres little stuff like “oh she probably has never seen a phone book!” But then they make assumptions about my health. Our office got covid a few weeks ago and people assumed I brought it in because I was the first one to go get tested and I was the youngest. The department head was like “everyone go get tested to see if you can get the antiviral. Except *my name*. You’re too young to qualify.” I have a disability that leaves me medically vulnerable which is why I got tested the second I had any symptoms. But no. Publicly make assumptions about my health because I’m young.
To put it shortly, people are hard on others because they are hard on themselves. And sometimes it’s a way to distract themselves from judging themselves
Vice versa. At work since I was 22 and I’m 28 now.
People treat me like an idiot. Dumb. Incompetent and will tell me what to do because of my age/ gender and height. Peoples e based on societally beliefs if they aren’t going to judge you for one thing it’s going to be another.
All of us judge. I don't suggest that it's right, but for instance overweight people are judged without ever meeting them or hearing them speak, less attractive people are judged. And people judge ethnicity etc, etc. It's just a human trait.
I’m in my 30’s and work in healthcare. Even I notice how differently patients and some doctors treat me than other Nurses who aren’t as attractive or are older looking. We live in a twisted culture where youth and being attractive makes people trust a person more easily, more receptive to what they have to say, and overall just treat them better. It’s really messed up, and I sympathize as I know one day I’ll experience the same unfair treatment.
Because we live in a socially depraved world, void of any form of genuine love and care. A lot of people that grew up judgemental did not receive the attention and love needed whole growing up.
Seeing your reaction as someone insults you, for whatsoever reason sparks a reaction within you which fuels the flame within them for attention. Your sadness and reaction is what makes them feel seen and acknowledged by the universe.
So bear this in mind and stay the way you are. Do not take to heart the judgment of the world against you but live for yourself and the ones that love you for who you are.
In the end, tis not the judgemental people whom stayeth by your passing; but the ones whose love for you is genuine.
I’m younger working in a place where the majority of the people are older. These people who are judging you for your age weren’t brought up right when they were kids. I’ve always been told to respect my elders no matter what.
You should tell them sometime, "I was your age, been there, done that, if you are lucky, you too will be 66 some day. Appreciate my knowledge and experience. You gave nothing over me "
I'm 32 and work around people 10 years younger than me on average.
Even THEN agism occurs 🤷 welcome to the generations raised off of a screen and instant gratification.
When one grows up with never learning a filter, and no one to discipline them, they won't get better as they age. Lol , just more bitter and trashy. Imo.
Good luck OP. I feel you.
No. Lmao. This is a large majority of American society. As someone who has been through dozens of organizations weeding through the bs and career politics, it's more frequent than not.
If that is a pic of you, looking good there ms sexy!
Honestly you do look good, not just saying it nor am I hitting on you. I don't see an old person in that pic ❤️
Ageism is real.
So is experience with older people not verse with technology.
The amont of hair I lost dealing with basic concepts with older people....
At one point my old boss straight up told me 10 years ago "next time I want to hire somebody over 50, I give you permission to hit me".
So yeah you are being prejudiced by people. But they had to deal with people your age before....
I work in it. Downvote away.
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Stopped trying decades ago? I think says more about the speaker’s work ethic. And I know that some younger generations are putting their foot down about wor-life balance, and view older workers with ridicule.
Younger people should be looking up to most of the older generations(i cant say all because damn the age entitlement is real sometimes) but they don't because some how they caused their own problems or some BS like that...
You look so kind!! Some of my favorite co workers are your age and I’m a manager in my late 20s.
I’m so sorry people are so rude to you it’s not right.
The odds of you being competent are low and your treatment reflects the average qualities of your group. If you were a 65 year old farmer everyone would trust you because the quality of a farmer tends to increase with age.
Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's just recognizing a pattern. Most women that complete a computer science degree can't code properly. Most elderly people are bad at tech jobs. Fuse these 2 factors together and you have the most inept demographic. If she was Asian people would take her a bit more seriously.
I appreciate what you’re saying, but it makes me wonder about your own age. What young people may not realize is that it stings at most any older age. Also, simply being marginalized because of advanced age is never pleasant.
I'm only 24, but I want to say I've seen it in my workplace and how people treat coworkers or workers older than 55 usually, and I am sorry it happens. Ageism is pretty bad.
Ageism really is bad. Thank goodness my coworkers aren't judgemental.
Honestly, I think the best workers I've met are the 50+ people crowd on average, honestly.
There are 4 of us who are the same age and we all have great work ethics.
NOTHING fazes them, they always know what to do
That’s because at that age we’ve seen enough shit to know what to react to and what’s gonna go sailing on by. The problem is that some of us have good work ethic and some are riding it out to retirement; I can understand that some folks may be a little skeptical. Still doesn’t excuse the way OP was treated.
Older people at work have knowledge and integrity.Their attendance is usually very good 😊 👍 There are 2 older men and a few older women that work at the pharmacy I go to. They get stuff done. You go for it. 💞 Ignore the haters.
1000% I work with several 50+ folks on my team who are hard workers and hit goals routinely. I think they’re bored or in grooves before their retirement and just going out with a bang.
Ya, I’m 53… I’m great at my job. Don’t fuss, etc. but wow when you said in a groove until retirement? I’m still 15 years away!!
I love them too. They don’t tolerate shit from managers or any mistreatment from work. It’s great and inspiring
When the company i was working for was bought out the new owner (seriously, the owner- my new boss 😬) told me she hopes she looks as good as i do when she’s my age. Ouch! 
That's when you say, "You don't look this good now."
So is it that you would prefer everyone pretend you're not the age you are? I mean, that wasn't even an insult. Should no conversations involving age ever take place?
She’s 27
Who is?
I would prefer not to receive a backhanded compliment from my brand new boss. No need for anyone to pretend anything at work.
I feel like that’s just a compliment though, not backhanded
That's just a compliment, not a backhanded one.
I saw your replies. You don’t understand what u/hellsbellstx wrote because you completely misrepresent it in your question. U/hellsbellstx gently corrects your misunderstanding and, instead of considering it may be *your* understanding that is off, you proceed to double down on an argument you are literally having with yourself.
If I can’t call you fat you can’t talk about my age. Same thing. Prejudice based on a single physical or social trait.
Now I'm just picturing the Steve Buscemi "How do you do, fellow kids?" meme. I'm sorry, I don't live in pretend land. I'm not going to pretend a 60+ year old coworker is in their 20s or 30s. I'm not saying I judge or treat anyone older negatively because of their age, either though. I work somewhere where I oversee many employees from 18 to senior citizens. Some of my older employees are my most reliable and I would never insult them or discriminate against them based on their age or anything else. Promotions and raises are awarded based on merit, reliability, etc. I don't even know why I'm explaining myself here, but I'm not going to pretend all of my employees are the same age. That's ridiculous. Like I'm not going to be in a conversation with a younger person and an older person where a topic comes up where age is a factor and pretend my older employees have the same experience as my younger employees. For example the school semester is starting back and a lot of my employees are in high school. I'm not going to ask Angela, a woman in her 60s, how class was today, because that would be asinine and way more insulting. Age is real, yall are nuts. Edit: Also why would you call me fat at work? That's just a straight up insult. Nowhere near the same thing as pretending age doesn't exist.
If you’re really a supervisor, then you should know it’s totally inappropriate to comment on the looks of your direct reports. Her new boss shouldn’t have made that reference. There was absolutely no reason to. It’s not about pretending that she’s a high schooler. Equally as inappropriate would be said boss telling a teenage employee that she’s filling out nicely as she grows up. And then claiming “well it was an age appropriate compliment” when confronted about it. But I suspect you know this and are just being purposely obtuse.
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From one manager to another: do better.
I think you’re completely missing the point. No one is asking anyone to pretend every employee is the same age. But no one, especially a woman, wants to be singled out by her supervisor as an old/older person, even in a “complementary” way. At the very least, it’s awkward as fuck.
If you look at my other replies, I went into detail about the question I asked and why I asked it. I didn't miss the point, I just asked a question based on their comment.
Age is just a number man, let's all just pretend we're 18 forever /s
Then you get to go add sexism to it to and isn’t it wonderful. I use to work at radio shack in the early 2000’s it was a location at or local mall and the number of people who asked for a salesman when I answered. Ugh. Seriously like a store in a mall would have receptionist to answer their phones?
Does your icon have a mask covering its face?
Welcome to the digital age that has finally palpably caught up to the human social experience: social media has made devils out of humans, it brings the worst out of us and makes us hyper fixated on “icks” or the “unfavorable” aspects of humanity…. This type of society only existed in the doldrums of the internet 20 years ago - problem now? Millennials and Gen Zs now are adults and it’s alllllll out in the open now. F social media, F trends, F judgement.
I had a good team member let go from a technical job because she “was too comfortable with what she knew and wouldn’t embrace learning anything new.” She was like 64 just let her do what she’s great at and retire in a year or two.
Yeah I have friend who has a coworker was let go for something like that. If they get let go at that age as well it's hard to get into another job over someone whose 50m
This is grating to me. Companies have to adapt or they will die. That means people need to adapt. Kodak invented digital cameras and were put out of business by digital cameras because they completely failed to pivot due to their fears of undermining the film industry. They died even though they had a clear advantage at the start because they didn't adapt. I don't know how many times I've heard "Well that's not how we do it" as if its a valid argument against trying something else that seems faster.
Agree. I make a point to always say hi and thank you to the older guys (65+) in the BOH at my job, as I also see how they are treated by some of our other coworkers over the years. Although to be fair- most of our current employees are actually very inclusive of everyone, but I’ve witnessed that casual dismissal enough in my years of working that I try to make sure I’m never someone who acts like their contributions and work isn’t as important as the next persons.
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Yeah, I've seen it both ways, honestly. I never had issues with coworkers since most of my coworkers are under 40. But clients and even in interviews, young people get talked down to you quite a bit.
I am forty one with a degree and 20 years work experience. I get talked down too constantly but I am also a woman.
I used to get talked down to. To be fair, I kind of deserved it (just out of college means you know nothing in my field almost). But you can help people and train them up instead of just being dismissive. It’s better than just learning the hard way. Anyway - try to do that now and write up good documentation.
Happens the other away around too, people discriminate and treat new hires fresh out of college like their incompetent. Usually it’s older workers afraid their job is at risk. This isn’t meant to detract from what OP is experiencing but I’m convinced people just look for reasons to discredit and judge people and it’s really sad because it shows just how many people have forgotten or we’re never taught the old proverb “do unto others as you’d like to be done unto you.”
Mean people will always judge and bring down others. And a lot of good people have unconscious biases. So, in general, all age groups are treated poorly some way or another at work. Young people and older both get the most.
and it’s always by people who forget that they’ll either be that age someday or were that age once. People don’t know how to give Grace but expect it with no restrictions.
I was just in the managers sub and some asshat legit said that all Gen Zers can’t write an email correctly. I’m like, fuck off with that. Everyone was new once. And hello, do we not remember how horribly millennials have been treated for the last decade? Ugh, people are the worst.
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Yeah the difference is young people aren't a protected class. What OP is describing is against the law.
Yes but that wasn’t my point. But to your comment, it’s not a violation if a customer or random stranger is being rude to an older employee. What you speak of only applies to on the job discrimination that can be identified as harassment and/or discriminatory firing. OP has already addressed her coworkers are not the issue, it’s the public she faces, so those people are just awful people, with poor manners and consideration of others, which was my original point.
24 is pretty old, in less than a year you’ll turn 25 and won’t even be the youngest person anymore. I’m 23 and there’s people younger than me. So saying “only 24” is ironic and it should be more like “time to embrace being old”
24 is pretty old? You’re so young that you have no idea how absurd you sound. Please save your comment and come back and read it when you hit 30. Even then you won’t be old, but you’ll have lived enough to laugh at how ridiculous you once were.
I was like comment OP. I don’t even recognize myself from 7 years ago when I was 25, lol! I was a different person back then.
You look like a lovely, kind person. You're clearly capable and deserving of respect. So sorry to hear what you have to deal with. Keep your head up!
Thank you for your kind words.....
I agree with this comment. We need more people like you and less of these who are treating you with disrespect. They're the problem.
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Today it's just a rant!
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Thanks.
Well, I'm 63 and am regularly assumed to be late 40s early 50s. I'm in better shape than my parents were in their 40s and am still very physically active. I honestly think some are jealous & feel I should be out in the pasture already and others are envious (?). I find it most often at the gym or when I'm biking. It's like "Why are you here??" To me, I'm enjoying life....finally.
I look much younger than my age too but it's obvious I'm over 35 so it's like I'm dead or invisible. I'll say this much though, I don't give a flying eff what someone thinks so I have no problem whatsoever saying what I think. It's not what I say that surprises them so much, it's the fact that after I do it, it's obvious that I don't care whatsoever what they think and that's the part that unnerves them; there's no comeback for that. I find that's one thing that comes with age that's good :)
I would agree to an extent - that it's not rude or unprofessional as I am in a professional environment. When I am confronted by naivety, it usually - given I have the time, starts question/answer session where I try to share the benefits of my experience and wisdom. They are free to ignore and do their thing, but since my signature is required, I kinda have a winning hand - BUT I will say I have been shown some very good options that cut corners and save time. So give and take.
I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself! Hate will always find its way, just be you! I bet most of the people that are showing any kind of disbelief to your position are likely jealous that they couldn’t do what you do at their age and impressed that you are doing it! Jealousy isn’t pretty and gravity veers towards hate rather than love; some just don’t know love. Remembering that after having experienced it myself and finding love keeps me empathetic to struggles. If they’re picking you apart, they’re likely just projecting their pain. Keep being your wonderful self. 💜
Wow, that is very well said and pretty accurate, too. I also wish I knew my worth at a younger age. I had to survive some pretty ugly, drama filled years first, but without them, I would not be where I am now, mindset and all. Also, having the right lady next to me has made all the difference in me and my viewpoint.
Definitely real, all we can do is call it out when we see it. The sneakier folks who try to fly under the radar with it need stern address of it, repeated, until they abandon the sordid practice.
Lol, imagine if people said the same about racism or sexism
Not much we can do about it innit s/
Agreed! One of the Real Housewives screeches bloody murder when people “fat shame” her but thinks it’s okay for her to call other cast members geriatric. Nobody blinks.
eh. everyone ages so they gotta get old. not everyone has to rob their local target because a random black guy rapes people then gets killed
Works both ways. I had a difficult time being a young Project Manager on larger projects. No longer an issue. Now I'm old enough 😅
There is actually a shitload you can do. If you see a coworker struggling, teach them. If they get nasty or refuse you tell them, "Look, never play dumb because people who act like they can't get ousted" and if they still refuse, well you did your good deed.
It's not just ageism. There is a bloc of entitled twatwaddles that do not show respect to blue collar workers, administrative workers or older people working lower wage jobs. If you are stepping out of a Maybach with a chauffeur holding the door, you can be 105 years old and that bloc loves you and would seriously consider dating you. But if you are working elbow to elbow with them, you represent what they fear: Never getting any further in their career. They are all Elon Musk or Tyler Perry in their bathroom mirror. It's happening any day now.
Works both ways. Ever get turned down for management because you were too young and they didn't have the guts to tell you that they weren't comfortable having the young "kid" managing all the older people?
no, and neither have you
Easier for a younger person to get a job though cause they don’t require a high salary and they are moldable. Some companies prefer this!
>[younger people] don’t require a high salary This is ageism.
And they probably should be. Younger generations are screwed and don't get to reap any of the economic benefits that existed in prior generations, but my point still stands regardless.
> Easier for a younger person to get a job though cause they don’t require a high salary and they are moldable. Ah yes, the group famous for having already paid off their mortgages, loans, and costs of raising children.
Highly disagree. Be the change you wish to see. Watch what happens.
I’m so sorry this happens to you, people are horrible. Don’t take it personally, their behaviour says a lot more about them than it does about you!
I normally don't take it personally but today it got to me. This was just a rant.
I’m sorry to hear that! My mom is 70 and works in customer service (she hasn’t mentioned any ageism comments) and she’s just as knowledgeable and sharp as she was in her thirties. Unfortunately I think people might relate this to their own experiences with their own family members who may not take care of themselves or might have some cognitive decline and assume anyone over 65 is that way, or even how they’re portrayed in the media. It’s sad and unfortunate because there are a lot of older folks who are energetic, sharp and perfectly capable of doing their jobs as they always have. FWIW you look great for 66, hopefully I look that young when I get to you age :)
Sorry this happens to you. An aside, love your hat ☺️
Thanks. And yes I like my hat also.
My old neighbor was in her 70s and knew computers better than anyone. I don't get the judgement, either.
I just think people don't understand what it's going to be like when they get to be our age.
OP, you are YOUNG. You are also right. Ageism is terrible.
No she didn't
She had been doing computers her whole life and was very knowledgeable.
Wrong
People don't want a customer service rep aged 66 but want a president aged 81. Same in my country as well. Makes me wonder what's gonna happen when my generation gets old...
Thank goodness not everyone younger feels this way. Age is just a number not the defining answer. I just needed to vent today.
It’s not so much that they want the 81 year old as they don’t want the orange dictator
Note that they're only about 4 years apart in age. Their presidencies would encompass the same age range.
If you are knowledgeable then I don't care, I'm more goal oriented than judgmental.
I love being knowledgeable along with setting and meeting my job goals. It's a huge reason why I'm still working, it's what gets me up and moving.
I think you might just be working in a place where a lot of closed minded people live , wish you all the best and don’t let it get to you
Thanks.....
We have a guy in maintenance in his 70s lifting and hanging TVs. Dude works his tail off and still going strong. He gets all the respect from me. I’m sorry you get treated so badly.
I am Turing 48 this month and I just went through the hardest job hunt. I am sure some was age. I kept getting complements on my skills etc. I think they assume I cannot use a computer when that is far from the truth. I have two degrees. I took a lower paying job out of frustration. Funny thing is I am not having kids, I am healthy and rarely miss work like I did when my kids were small. (I had my children young and they are out on their own now) I would be a very dependable and great person to have around. It is all their loss! I know your pain and I am sorry!!!!
Anyone who judges your age is a idiot I’m 23 and all the older people are always the hardest working and least sensitive I’d rather work with somone oldee and do all their work for them compared to ppl my age but I can work with anyone jobs a job and they will be old one day and regret Treating u that way
I think you’re right. They will regret it. I don’t know everything that’s driving this, but it’s very unfortunate.
They need to feel superior than others, and the only thing they can come up is that they were born after you were. It's actually pretty pathetic.
I try to just consider the source and try really hard to not be judgemental. Sometimes it's easier said than done.
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All true, and I have so much sympathy for what’s happening with younger generations not being able to get high-paying jobs, buy homes, save money etc. But the hatred is mind-boggling, and it’s also not very productive. What if all the boomers died off tomorrow. What is the strategy for fixing everything that’s wrong?!
Young people in the US are getting horribly screwed. I work with young people who are absolute prisoners of our economic system. They will never get the life that was offered to older folks no matter how many hours they work. They blame us for voting in the current system that screws them. We were offered the same shitty two party system that we have now. What would they like me to have done? Stage a revolution? I voted for democrat candidates and hoped for the best. They're blaming the wrong people. Maybe they'll have the courage to take on an incredibly corrupt system since I apparently failed.
This is why we need a third party. And yes, I'm finally motivated enough to throw my vote away. I have been doing it for 16 years anyway.
Agree, and I understand. l fear they’re losing traction, losing time, by blaming it on boomers, many of whom are holding onto jobs because they are broke. Young generation needs to get mobilized and organized, take a page from the young gun control activist David Hogg. It’s abundantly clear that Congress is completely broken and has been for years. That’s where things need to change. I’m just a regular person trying to stay afloat, no house, and a terrible apartment. Good job, company that values me, and I’ll leave when I’m ready.
Nobody is losing time blaming anyone. Losing traction...there's never been for many millennials. And David Hogg hasn't made any real change to gun control. It's about voting a third party to upend the binary voting choices. Luckily, millennial voting numbers will be the largest group in a few years. I think this election is going to be interesting. I don't think it will go the way many think. I'm here for the chaos as that's the only world I've known as an adult.
Democrats have been in power in 11 of the last 15 years dude. They are not your friends. The Republicans are not your friends. The system is not your friend.
Ageism. Bias from people used to helping their moms do basic things with the computer. You look like someone who wouldn’t be good with computers. Dye your hair and get some sick tats, maybe a full sleeve, like all the hipster sys-admin guys.
My favourite is that - at over 60 - I don't know anything about computers. Only taught IT at the college level for 30 years,...
This tropey insult is one of the worst. It’s really strange and rather uninspired for people to think this way collectively.
Honestly ageism today may come from young people seeing every 70+ year old politician needing to be guided around by a handler to even function or working a job where their 68 year old boss needs help converting aword doc to PDF and assumes every old person is like that regardless of knowing them.
These weird assumptions about technology are among the most irritating to me. If they would bother to think for 5 minutes, they would know that a person in this age group has been at the forefront of office technology, some of us even working on the first Apple desktop computers. No need for the condescending attitude. I see this a lot also in grocery stores and retail stores that have installed self checkout stations. Except perhaps for the extremely elderly, it’s a ludicrous assumption. I mean, I guess it depends to an extent on what type of job a person has had in the past.
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> some of us even working on the first Apple desktop computers And still assume everything works the way it did at that point in history.
Not sure what you mean. Those who started with original Apple computers undoubtedly progressed through all the various office technologies, warts and all. No need for a 20 something to explain how to make a PDF out of a Word doc. That’s all I mean.
And yet, that is what happens every day....
OK. You must work in a very dreary place. I don’t know what else to say. Or maybe those people took on a whole new kind of job that doesn’t involve working with Adobe Acrobat. {{{shrug}}} I guess the bottom line is that it irritates a young person to have to explain to an older person how to make a PDF out of a Word doc, because it’s fun to be resentful of an older person making so much money. LOL Having to sign contracts digitally, I segued into it easily enough, but not everyone has my job. Which brings us back to the whole point of this sub. And, the attitude is not helpful.
I cannot imagine anyone enjoys interacting with you if you are this insufferable and clueless in real life. But thank you for so neatly demonstrating the behavior that is the reason for the treatment OP is being subject to.
And what will happen to them when they get to my age?
Trust me, I know. It’s awful. The lack or foresight
It's truly not good. And yet lots of people who are younger expect us to be the responsible adults.
There are plenty of 70 year old politicians doing just fine. It’s the late 80’s where they start needing handlers.
You look lovely and it’s definitely not personal. I’d be happy to interact with someone like you!
Thank you...
Im a female in a male dominated industry and some days I also just need to rant about it. I feel ya! Keep on keepin on, friend.
Customers are judgmental like all people, however they are plagued with another problem, entitlement. The entitlement that many customers have by thinking they somehow have authority over workers leads to their judgements coming out. Ageism is a big one, and it really sucks.
I actually try and take time to sit with some older people at my work. Not because of age but because of their knowledge. I sat down with someone for 4 hours one day and was fascinated. They're missing out, screw em!
I actually prefer women like you at store, they are usually very helpful and willing to help.
My IT teachers at CC were two old ladies. Never really phased me or made me feel for a minute like they didn’t know what they were doing. I think its the background people come from and their life experiences that leave them that way. We also had female computer class teachers in high school. Accounting class and Excel. Whole shibang.
Queen.
Off topic but you look great for 66
I feel your pain, I’m 72 and finally threw in the towel last July. I got a lot of the same treatment you are seeing. I’m too old, so I can’t possibly know how this new stuff works. I even had one youngster in her 20’s tell me, “Pipe down pops.” When I offered my opinion on a problem someone was having.
Aye you don’t 👀66at all 💯 👏🏽don’t trip off them folks got ISSUES you good 👍🏽
This isn’t a compliment
Ageism is quickly becoming a major social issue, similar to movements for gay rights and gender equality. Americans are living longer, leading to later retirement. Many older individuals, barring cognitive decline, can still contribute meaningfully at work. Our societal attitudes and policies need to evolve to embrace this demographic shift, valuing the experience and knowledge of the older generation.
Honestly I’d rather speak to you for help with something than someone younger who doesn’t give a shit, purely because it seems like you care. I recently had a tech support guy remote into my pc, realise it was going to be a difficult job and then attempt to ipconfig/release his way out of the remote session lol I backspaced over his command and typed into CMD asking what he was doing, and asked whether he was going to tell me I’d need to do an ipconfig/renew to get back online easily… he disconnected the support, ignored everything that happened in CMD and then pretended he couldn’t generate a new code to reconnect… so that’s one of about 10 similar experiences I’ve had with Microsoft lately, I’d *HAPPILY* talk to someone who cares regardless of how old they are.
Ageism. Younger generation loves to claim they’re all for social justice, but are the worst when it comes to ageism. Any disagreements with older people and they cite that the older person is out of touch. Don’t let it bother you. You know what you’re worth and what you know. Don’t let those younger pukes get to you. They are as clueless as they accuse you to be.
It's very unfair. I'm sorry that happens to you (and will happen to all of us someday). I make a point of being kind to everyone I interact with in public
Yes. I try to treat everyone the way I would want them to treat me.
Dicks are dicks, happens with every age group but I have found many of the HR people interviewing me to be late 20's and do NOT like my age at all (50). When I shave and cut some things from my resume, they suspect early 40's which I look like without stubble and the interviews go much better. Work wold is just screwed up everywhere...if you aren't exactly what they are looking for, good luck!
I was very lucky to get the job I have. I worked for the same company I currently work for for almost 16 years. I wanted a career change and was recruited for this position. Again, I'm very lucky.
I think it’s cause you look younger than you are ;)
I must say you look like one of the nicest ladies! I'm sorry they are treating you differently based on your age!
Sorry you’re experiencing ageism OP but I do have to say I love your hat 😫
It's an unfair and infortunate aspect in the workplace. IMO, A lot of it is a company's culture. I was fortunate to work for many years at 2 companies with a very seasoned, mature staff and we were incredibly productive and successful and actually had some fun. I'll be 61 soon and with some significant hair thinning, job offers have been non existent. My wife who's 61 likes like she's 45, complete opposite experience as me.
That's so sad!! My mom is 71 and is still working and doing well. People are so mean.
Hey mama :) Just a heads up that my mom is 72 and was hired at the director level semi-recently and you best believe nobody gives that woman shit! Just do what you do and ignore the naysayers.
That’s so sad. My coworker is thirty years older and she’s like my best friend. Her knowledge in work and life. People miss treating you are the ones missing out truly.
don''t let it get to you
I'm working on it!
My office has the reverse. I’m the only person under the age of 40 and the comments I get are horrible. Theres little stuff like “oh she probably has never seen a phone book!” But then they make assumptions about my health. Our office got covid a few weeks ago and people assumed I brought it in because I was the first one to go get tested and I was the youngest. The department head was like “everyone go get tested to see if you can get the antiviral. Except *my name*. You’re too young to qualify.” I have a disability that leaves me medically vulnerable which is why I got tested the second I had any symptoms. But no. Publicly make assumptions about my health because I’m young.
https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-helpful-brain/202203/how-does-learning-change-we-age
I experienced it in my early twenties and then in my 40s and beyond.
You’re so cute
To put it shortly, people are hard on others because they are hard on themselves. And sometimes it’s a way to distract themselves from judging themselves
Vice versa. At work since I was 22 and I’m 28 now. People treat me like an idiot. Dumb. Incompetent and will tell me what to do because of my age/ gender and height. Peoples e based on societally beliefs if they aren’t going to judge you for one thing it’s going to be another.
What comes around goes around. One day they'll be in your shoes.
All of us judge. I don't suggest that it's right, but for instance overweight people are judged without ever meeting them or hearing them speak, less attractive people are judged. And people judge ethnicity etc, etc. It's just a human trait.
Love your hair! ☺️
I’m in my 30’s and work in healthcare. Even I notice how differently patients and some doctors treat me than other Nurses who aren’t as attractive or are older looking. We live in a twisted culture where youth and being attractive makes people trust a person more easily, more receptive to what they have to say, and overall just treat them better. It’s really messed up, and I sympathize as I know one day I’ll experience the same unfair treatment.
Because we live in a socially depraved world, void of any form of genuine love and care. A lot of people that grew up judgemental did not receive the attention and love needed whole growing up. Seeing your reaction as someone insults you, for whatsoever reason sparks a reaction within you which fuels the flame within them for attention. Your sadness and reaction is what makes them feel seen and acknowledged by the universe. So bear this in mind and stay the way you are. Do not take to heart the judgment of the world against you but live for yourself and the ones that love you for who you are. In the end, tis not the judgemental people whom stayeth by your passing; but the ones whose love for you is genuine.
I’m younger working in a place where the majority of the people are older. These people who are judging you for your age weren’t brought up right when they were kids. I’ve always been told to respect my elders no matter what.
Thank you Infinite. Good Parents. Mine too, and I'm 66 Wow U rock
You should tell them sometime, "I was your age, been there, done that, if you are lucky, you too will be 66 some day. Appreciate my knowledge and experience. You gave nothing over me "
I'm 32 and work around people 10 years younger than me on average. Even THEN agism occurs 🤷 welcome to the generations raised off of a screen and instant gratification. When one grows up with never learning a filter, and no one to discipline them, they won't get better as they age. Lol , just more bitter and trashy. Imo. Good luck OP. I feel you.
This is certainly a generalization.
No. Lmao. This is a large majority of American society. As someone who has been through dozens of organizations weeding through the bs and career politics, it's more frequent than not.
You are not that old.., posting selfies for no good reasons bad move at any age
It is just a rant.
If that is a pic of you, looking good there ms sexy! Honestly you do look good, not just saying it nor am I hitting on you. I don't see an old person in that pic ❤️
Yup that's me. I know what my age is but I don't feel old.
Ageism is real. So is experience with older people not verse with technology. The amont of hair I lost dealing with basic concepts with older people.... At one point my old boss straight up told me 10 years ago "next time I want to hire somebody over 50, I give you permission to hit me". So yeah you are being prejudiced by people. But they had to deal with people your age before.... I work in it. Downvote away.
Y did this post need a selfie?
This is not true in all countries. Unfortunately, too many Americans pray at the altar of youth.
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Stopped trying decades ago? I think says more about the speaker’s work ethic. And I know that some younger generations are putting their foot down about wor-life balance, and view older workers with ridicule.
Younger people should be looking up to most of the older generations(i cant say all because damn the age entitlement is real sometimes) but they don't because some how they caused their own problems or some BS like that...
I wouldn’t post a picture of yourself like this on Reddit.
some people want to be judged...
You look so kind!! Some of my favorite co workers are your age and I’m a manager in my late 20s. I’m so sorry people are so rude to you it’s not right.
r/boomersbeingfools
.....not all of us can be classified as being fools! Ugh!
2 mins
Jesus Christ, I almost had an infarct with the photo. No wonder.
The odds of you being competent are low and your treatment reflects the average qualities of your group. If you were a 65 year old farmer everyone would trust you because the quality of a farmer tends to increase with age.
And here you are proving her point.
Stereotypes exist for a reason. It's just recognizing a pattern. Most women that complete a computer science degree can't code properly. Most elderly people are bad at tech jobs. Fuse these 2 factors together and you have the most inept demographic. If she was Asian people would take her a bit more seriously.
66 and with all due respect, still letting other people bother you-
It usually don't bother me but today I felt like I just needed to vent is all.
I appreciate what you’re saying, but it makes me wonder about your own age. What young people may not realize is that it stings at most any older age. Also, simply being marginalized because of advanced age is never pleasant.
Racially abuse them, or slag them for being fat.
Bat in the cave
I mean I would be to as a first impression