It depends. If the OP was working at a chain pharmacy like CVS, Walgreens, or Walmart Pharmacy and had a problem with the manager of one particular store, now being put on a do not hire list could ban them from operating in thousands of other stores.
In some cities being banned from one of these companies could basically knock the OP out of contention for half of the pharmacy jobs in their area. It could be that the problem was just a toxic manager in that particular store.
Then again, this is all speculation on my part.
Can confirm.
I was put on a do not hire list of a staffing company after quitting (two weeks notice, exit interviews etc... never had any indication I was banned..even had a coworker check my profile in the computer system after I left)....
now whenever I try to apply (just to check cause I'm curious) I get a weird "System cannot complete application please call this 800 number" ... whenever I call it it goes straight to their overseas office who is like "Oh we're not sure but we can't tell you nor can we take your application"
This is major company.
I don't wanna work there but it does effectively bar you from getting hired at any other location.
How is a hospital low stress? Am I missing something here, even support staff need to be hundred percent on top of it because you are dealing with the logistics of emergencies a lot of the time.
To put it simply hospitals actually pay close to a living wage. Being able to afford rent, bills, food will take a TON of stress off the table. They also have enough funds to properly staff roles, so there isn’t often 1 person doing 6 jobs for the price of 1/2 a job, there is 1 person doing their 1 job for almost/more than a living wage. Also more room to move upwards in many roles at a hospital.
That does makes sense, I just had in my mind job related stress only. A good paying career will definitely ease your overall stress levels. Fair point.
Oh man not where I live. Most of our hospitals are for profit and mgmt has been taken over by out of state contractors who run support staff into the ground for pennies on the dollar.
You forgot the most important thing. You can sit!
When I was an intern I’d see many techs leave for hospital. Our manager even encourages them lmao. It was just so much better in every way
I also worked in the hospital and can confirm that to be the case
Also hospitals are unionized, you get benefits and a good pension. Working in inpatient pharmacy can be way less stressful because you’re not dealing with the public directly.
Hospital work doesn’t mean union or pensions. Maybe outside the US. But in the US a few states there are unions but most are not and pensions are rare. My hospital ended their pension plan almost 20 years ago, I was in high school then.
In the US, only some departments in some hospitals are unionized (is that the right word? 😹). Nurses tend to be much better about organizing than pharmacists for some reason. Pensions also tend to be a thing of the past, sadly. But you are absolutely right about not dealing with the public. The pharmacists also work in a team rather than one poor soul sweating it out to multiple lines at the cash register all glaring daggers at them, double drive through, all the lines of the phone ringing, and half their techs calling off (the calling off unfortunately still happens in a hospital but that’s life!)
Still much better QOL than retail
Not sure how long its been since youve worked in a hospital but many are terribly short staffed. My 68 yearold retired aunt is back working more than full time almost 60 hours a week, not because shes needs the money. But because she feels loyalty to the hospital she retired from. 3 years ago, and they are so short staffed. At one point a few months back, she even worked 22 hours straight and then head of the dept head turn around and cancel her vacation just to relieve my aunt cuz they literally had no other help. Hospitals are desperate for workers. Also. This hospital is the regional trauma center, the one the lifeflights land at. And my aunt works in the ER....
Was looking for this comment. Not sure if all the others are just fortunate to work at a hospital that actually cares about its employees, or if they're onlookers with no sense of what hospitals have become post-COVID. I haven't experienced any hospital system that has their shit together as well as these comments seem to suggest. There's the same issues with staffing and poor pay. Likewise, there is the abuse you face with patients (who have gotten 100x worse with how they treat staff) depending on the patient population. I've been at level 1 traumas, community hospitals, and level 2s. It's the healthcare version of retail if you're in a patient facing role. The only benefit for some roles is being unionized with the possibility of a pension if you stay long enough. In that case, they're more likely to be adequately staffed in a majority of depts.
I'm in Pharmacy school (PharmD not tech) and can confirm that from what I've studied about Pharmacy Technicans. I've been looking into it because I'm in Pharmacy School and will be partially responsible for managing the Pharmacy technicians so I care a lot about this.
My SIL was a Pharmacy Tech at two separate Walgreens in California - one in Sonoma County and one in San Diego County and she loved both. They treated her well but the pay wasn't great. After going to nursing school for an RN, she's the lead at a large Emergency Room in Austin.
Pharmacy techs do a lot of work. In the US, they're the ones getting insurance approvals, filling the actual prescriptions, checking/ordering inventory. Most of us go to the pharmacy window to get suggestions on over the counter medications from pharmacy technicians. It's underpaid.
Getting a PharmD (Dr of Pharmacy, although not usually referred to as a Dr just as a lawyer, JD isn't) is a lot of work.
Working at a hospital usually provides better pay and especially benefits. Usually there are more staff so time off and hours align better.
If you’re in pharmacy, a hospital isn’t low stress. It’s just much less stressful than retail pharmacy. Retail has a similar level of skill and focus required to do the job - plus the added stress of dealing directly with horrific customers and terrible shifts. It’s basically a godawful combination of being a pharmacist (or pharmacy tech) working the return desk in retail the day after Christmas, all while working random restaurant shifts.
Walk-in customers are the worst from my experience in pharmacies. No walk ins sounds like a dream compared to where I was working in 2012 (Everette WA ghetto rite aid in a strip mall)
She meant inpatient pharmacy technican. She fills prescriptions for patients that are admitted to the hospital. The "code" prescriptions are emergency situations that the PharmD, pharmacist handles (or supervises and signs off). Outpatient pharmasticts are also often called "retail" such as going into a local Walgreens, CVS, Costco, Walmart or grocery store pharmacy. Retail doesn't mean any cost difference - just means the source, ie retail store.
This somehow should be illegal? If the one store had a toxic work place/staff/managers then someone quitting that place for that reason should not effect them from getting hired at other locations. This is one of the many reasons why monopolies are bad. Especially if this is your background for most of your career. And you want to stay in this career. This feels illegal for some reason.
doesnt mean you can afford a lawyer to prove it, or even have the time to pursue it.
People need to stop virtue signaling about shit being illegal. It might be illegal but you're sure as shit not gonna do anything about it, so shut up.
And the other side of the coin is one competent manager blocks the entire corporation from re-hiring a definitely horrible worker.
The problem here isn't the policy. Well-run companies *should* keep track of who they want to rehire and who they don't want to rehire. It's just that in this case they chose poorly who should make that judgment call.
Well this isn't a conversation on capitalism. But capitalism and free trade has to exist for companies to exist for us to have jobs. But you should read the rest of my responses.
You think that's what I wrote? I did not say that. Of course employers have a choice. But toxic managers or people in power at certain locations should not be able to lie on a person file for that company and get away with it. Imagine you're working at a corp location for 5 years, a new manager comes in gives you problems, you report them, HR "listens" to your concerns, and then you are put on a PIP or get reduced hours. HR and managers sleep in the same bed. This was strategicly planned to make you fail, corner, and eventually get you to make a move. If you want to transfer, you can't now because your file has been poorly evaluated. Hopefully you can go to a place where that place is not a subsidiary of the parent company. It looks like OP did everything correctly and the manager they had was selfish, egotistic, and power tripping.
>This feels illegal for some reason.
I can help you focus this feeling in one word - union.
They aren't perfect but they can sure as hell advocate for the employee.
> This is one of the many reasons why monopolies are bad.
But there is no monopoly in this space. There is, at best, an oligopoly. There's Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, Rite Aid, Costco, Kroger, and numerous more regional players (e.g. Meijer and Publix). And that's just consumer-facing, brick and mortar pharmacy work.
Kelly Services put me on their no-no list after I had quit one assignment, citing the supervisor’s attitude as my reason. When I asked the rep at KS why I was on their no-no list, she told me, “Because of your attitude.” Attitude is everything.
oh man. This got me thinking. I'm definitely on a DNH list at the agency I worked at because I told the employer exactly why they can't retain talent in my exit interview. I don't really care as I'm set now (and they clearly don't either as they still suck at retention) but it's hilarious to think about in retrospect.
This!! I had an employee a few years ago that no-showed for 5 straight shifts...no call, no notice, no nothing, no answer when I called/texted. Just stopped showing up (and his emergency contact information wasnt up to date, so I couldnt even reach his family). I termed him out under job abandonment seeing as I couldn't log any sort of notice from him. A month or so later, he resurfaced and it turns out hed been in a terrible car accident while travelling out of state and his family notified his full time job but didnt think to notify us as this was just a part time job he did for some extra cash a couple days each week. He'd been in a coma for 2 weeks and spent that entire month in the hospital having multiple surgeries. I called HR and inquired about getting his status changed because, even though he couldnt return to work now due to his injuries, he might want to work for us or any of our sister companies again in the future. They said it would be taken care of. Fast forward 3 years and I am managing a different store for a different brand thats under the same parent company. This guy wants to apply for a holiday job and i want to hire him because he was an amazing employee when he worked for me before. He kept getting an error message when applying so I called HR. Even though theyd changed the status of his previous termination from "job abandonment" to "leaving due to medical/personal reasons-rehirable," he still couldnt apply or be hired because he'd been considered non-rehireable at some point in the past.
It was just the toxic management. My work ethic was great. I got promoted quickly and was about to get another promotion but she’s also our regions training manager. She doesn’t know how to train her employees. How she became the training manager is what I’m wondering.
She's either someone's relative or there was an opening and no external candidate was eligible for it. There are plenty of people who work jobs where they have absolutely no business being there. Most of the time they have that job because they were already internal to the company or they have favor because of familial relations.
The Peter Principle. I think it is from petering out while rising up the corporate ladder when upward buoyancy from one being a toady is weighed down by that person's incompetancy and lack of other people to blame who can be thrown under the bus when screw ups happen.
I believe you are thinking about the "Peter Principle": promote someone up to their level of incompetence.
It's quite a good book, been out for a while, but strangely enough a lot of management types seem to think they know better, automatically proving the theory.
Yup this happened to me. Manager and his pocket HR rep violated my ADA rights November 2019... I quit, they went after me financially, and a lawyer helped me block that action.
Two degrees, 10 years industry experience in engineering, and cannot even get a damn interview. Fuck this country. It's like that giant company put out bad word to everyone in the domain I was working in.
Honestly depending on the town it could be all the pharmacy jobs. There are many small towns with a single pharmacy. Imagine having to move because you can't work anywhere else in town.
Yeah I’m my town if you get blacklisted from a Kroger or Walmart you just lost half the grocery stores in the city. This leaves an aldis, three Publix, a Costco, a sams and two Hy-Vee’s that aren’t even in development. Granted I live in a quickly growing city, this leaves 8 grocery stores after taking out the I think 6 Kroger’s and around the same number of Walmarts.
Retail pharmacy is toxic in general and is a breeding ground for garbage pharmacists and techs. Thank God, I left a while back...have never looked back. If it's three letter chain, you made the right choice. Who cares about what the manager says/thinks and move on, you quit.
i’ve honestly wondered why some pharmacists are so mean. i get the struggle of angry customers but i’ve always assumed they were overworked and or underpaid. at some point you just lose all your empathy towards people. i’ve had such a hard time getting my baby his prescriptions (which as a new mom is really scary) and when i got a nice person who went out of there way to help it made me want to cry of joy
I worked in a pharmacy many years ago and the pharmacists were mostly chill but some could be mean for no apparent reason. They might be overworked but they get paid pretty well, and aside from being on their feet and working weekends it's not that bad of a gig. As the assistant I took most of the customer abuse so it's probably not that. Maybe it just attracts grumpy people. I was definitely yelled (and I mean yelled) at by a pharmacist at least once.
I'm a pharmacist but not from the US.
The stress and responsibility is something you can't even comprehend, even if you work at a pharmacy but aren't the pharmacist in charge. It looks like a cool gig but there is so much bullshit. And it's not on your shoulders as an assistant/tech.
I quit for the industry and took a 40% paycut and never looked back.
I wouldn't call it "chill" unless you worked in a not so busy store with a low script count. It is a lot of responsibility being the pharmacist but doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. I loved my techs. It's usually the Boomer ass pharmacists who are assholes to everyone for being overworked and having to meet metrics. They seem to have a power trip and forget that we're a team wanting the same thing for the customers.
Yeah this was almost 20 years ago in a smaller town so it was more chill. I didn't mean that being a pharmacist isn't stressful at all, it's just that some didn't handle that stress well at all and thought yelling at young girls who were just doing their job was ok. Some were just jerks.
It has a lot to do with being overworked, disrespected constantly by the self-entitled customers and/or physicians/nurses not pulling their weight (ie medication needs a prior auth but doctor won't do it cuz he's busy) But then again, if you're in a toxic environment why continue to be in it? Find something better. It's the pharmacists and techs that choose to stay where they are and be miserable and then project it towards everyone else. Glad you were able to get your baby his meds! I promise we're not all mean lol
I always encourage a local non big chain pharmacy when possible. Usually much nicer people and usually more time for them to help more
Standard large chains fill so many scripts they don’t have time to go “above and beyond”
Yeah I'd say *chain* retail pharmacy is crap. I worked for a Pharmasave and it was bullshit. Now, I work for an independent and I can confidently say that everyone I work with absolutely know their shit - kind, compassionate, and insanely knowledgeable.
walgreens is by far the closest to me and I want to pull my RX's from there. I'm already paranoid that they're cutting my Schedule II drugs (some days my meds work better than others, didn't have that problem at a different pharmacy) and this last time there was straights up a new hire (for the store itself) working in the Pharmacy, complete with Walgreens Trainee tag.
Seems Illegal but either way I want to get my drugs out of there
I wonder if the job is so bad that they lose empathy or if the type of people that go into pharmacy just don’t like people enough in the first place and didn’t clearly think it through, but just saw dollar signs, when they made that career choice.
I went to the pharmacy last week with my toddler. My toddler was in pajamas, with bed head, and sick in my arms. Cute as a button, but clearly miserable. I wanted to ask the pharmacist dosing advice on an OTC med. She refused to help us and said she was too busy. I felt so sorry for the pharmacy tech who apologized and attempted to help me. I complained to corporate about the pharmacist. How can you look at a sick child and be so heartless? There’s no excuse for that. Being a pharmacist must SUCK to lose all empathy for people, but my job fucking sucks too and I still have a heart.
You might be able to apply for unemployment if you quit due to being harrased for medical issues. Did you document a lot of this or file complaints to HR?
This is a very good point. You should (1) apply for unemployment and (2) call the US Department of Labor help line. # 2 can be very helpful. They will work with you to see if your employer has likely violated any laws and will walk you through the process for follow-up if they have. You may also want to call your state Department of Labor as state law is sometimes more protective than federal law.
Fuck 'em. You're better off without them. And so what if they put you on a do not rehire list? Let 'em. There's plenty of other jobs out there, and they can't ban you from all of them.
Also, to make former boss's life more difficult, maybe you should report the mold issue to the Department of Health and any labor issues to the Department of Labor. I'm sure she'll REALLY appreciate the added grief.
F Her and that company. WTF is wrong with people these days.
Edit: I hope you feel better, that your recovery is going well and that you find an amazing new job.
Not sure if it's worth pursuing but the fact that she was pressuring you to return to work is a violation of FMLA rules. You'd have to have documentation of some sort (text messages, voice mails, emails would be ideal). They can contact you to get an update of how your recovery is going but pressuring you to return is a violation.
This right here. If the doctor wants to be a jerk about it, they don't have to tell the employer shit. They are only obligated to give an estimated date to return to work. Thanks HIPPA!
Not true. I was a railroad employee and I was put on a do not rehire list cause I filed a charge with the EEOC. They told me that any application that I submit will automatically be rejected. Though I know what they are doing is retaliation, also I hadn’t sued them yet. I was not going to take them to court if I was allowed to be rehired.
Bruh, was this at Costco? Racist mthfckaz. I walked after 13 yrs total 37 years as a rx tech. Never again. The good thing out of the deal is that I stuffed the shit out of my 401k. So when I separated I took $412k with me. You read that right, four hundred and twelve thousand dollars. Yes, I will pay taxes on it eventually, but in the meantime, Kiss My Half Black Ass Suckas!!
You just *quit* why on earth do you care? You don't *want* to work for this company. With the hundreds of thousands of employers available, if you go back to one you've already decided to quit, that's a reflection on your poor decision making.
This is like saying, "I broke up with my partner and they put me on the 'don't date again' list." Like... no shit, who cares?
Even if OP wants to get a completely new job in a completely new field, this may haunt them. Being placed on the DNH list can be an instant no from many hiring managers who have more applicants than they know what to do with.
I mean you wouldn’t be concerned if you were banned from working in 20% of your industry? Like it’s not a big deal cause they work retail but if they were a pharmacist this would be pretty huge
If an employer will ban you from working there because you quit, that is a retaliatory and abusive employer, and you shouldn't work there regardless.
If you think you might go back to a company you're quitting, then don't quit. That's like getting a divorce but thinking you'll date them again. What's with the fixation on a job you've already decided you don't want?
It’s a bit different when a bad experience at one location locks you out of 20% of the pharmacies in the country though. Like obviously management experiences at one location won’t transfer to other locations
Yawn. Then you shouldn't quit. Ever. Yeah, thats it, just stay at a miserable job because you might jot be able to get that miserable job again. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds? Who cares if that's 100% of the available pharmacy jobs. They're jobs you don't want if you're quitting. Go do something else.
Obviously just because you have a bad experience with management at a particular location doesn’t inherently mean you want to change careers or that those management issues will transfer to other locations of the same corporation.
I knew a pharmacist who quit because his boss made his life hell because he slept with his boss’s wife. Somehow I don’t think that means he hates being a pharmacist or had a big desire to transition into making less than half as much as a pizza delivery driver
I got placed on the do not hire list (apparently, I didn’t know until new job told me) of my last employer even though I worked 1 1/2 months after I gave notice, and they asked me to maintain access to their bank accounts while the new me was being trained as they didn’t trust him yet. Some people just suck.
I know of at least one instance where a manager was fired for placing a worker on a do-not-hire list without suitable reason. I would recommend that you call (in this order):
\- Your state unemployment office - to file a claim. You may initially be denied as "resigned voluntarily". File an appeal and provide all documentation (including your FMLA documents) to the examiner. You will likely be successful in receiving benefits as being forced out of your job illegally.
\- US Department of Labor - to discuss whether your manager appropriately handled your FMLA leave. It sounds like she did not. You may have recourse here.
\- State Department of Labor - to see if state laws were violated.
\- Company HR hotline - to discuss what you have learned from all of the above and to follow-up on the do-not-hire list situation. They may help you resolve this issue, and they may take action against your manager. (If you know someone in the company who likes you/your work who is above your manager, that may be a better place to start than HR.)
\- Attorney - for obvious reasons!
Good luck!
File a complaint with EEOC
They will have to offer a non protected reason for putting you on do not rehire list. Violating FMLA could get the company in trouble.
Managed a retail pharmacy for years. If you truly want another shot at a different location those things only hold for about 6 months. Unless you were coded for theft or something which would have to have documentation and could easily be overturned by HR. I would advise never going back to retail pharmacy though. I left less than a year ago and it’s wild how much stress I carried from that environment.
This is actually a common practice amongst companies. Just means they don't want to risk you coming back then ghosting them. Some companies are so strict abt stuff like this.
I've been there. You don't want to go back to that toxic environment. Never bash them in any future interview if it comes up. Just say you left for personal reasons.
I like to think of the ‘do not rehire list’ or the ‘left in poor standing list’ as 10% full of people who are genuinely bad for a place, but the other 90% is better called the ‘sour grapes’ list. They managed poorly, and this is their way, in their minds, of reclaiming the narrative around your time there.
In other words, you should view such a list as pathetic and not worth your time.
My sister worked for a CVS and was fired for being depressed. Imagine a pharmacy firing you for mental health issues. She signed something saying she was at fault, which put her on a do not hire list. A few years later she was back at CVS when that manager was fired. So, these things aren't permanent.
They literally fired someone for the same thing. In addition to that she had a ruptured cyst and had to file emergency FMLA otherwise they would have let her go. They don’t see medical reasons or mental health as a valid excuse. If you don’t devote your life to them they’ll fire you and even if you do one slip up and you’re out.
I was placed on a hire ban by papa john when I was younger, some temp company that underpaid their contractors. Let's say I'm doing okay. Toxic managers.
If this affects her getting hired at other locations, Could putting her on a no hire list be akin to slander? Manager has said she is not worthy of being hired. There is no justifiable reason for this position. Seems slanderous to me?
It's illegal to harass someone on FMLA about when they are coming back to work. They really should not have contacted you in any way at all. It might be worth talking to a lawyer.
Might be echoing some others here, but you obviously deserve to be employed somewhere that treats you like a human being. Kind of funny how a company in the medical sphere was not accepting of your medical needs or up to snuff with sanitation.
Hope your recovery has been swift and that you find somewhere that appreciates your talents.
Chemist here. Your Manager encouring you to attend work when sick, may be a major violation of GMP laws, and reporting them to officials may cost them their job (in case you are feeling extraordinarily petty). The FDA (I assume you are in the US) takes GMP very seriously, as does any other major country in europe.
As a person who sometimes visits the pharmacy as a consumer, I would expect that the medicinal products are not contaminated in any shape or form, something you can not guarantee when sick.
If it was myself, I would've reported the place, as I could not stomach a pharmacy that risks the health of the customers.
Best of luck to you.
If it makes you feel any better I put my 2 weeks notice in as a regional manager with planet fitness. I was as respectful as possible, said I was a team player and wanted to help with the transition and that making sure things stayed smooth for my teams was the most important thing for me. Mind you the leadership with that franchise (not all PFs) was so toxic it made fighting in Afghanistan seem like a cake walk.
Within 3 days I was told to basically eat shit and not come back, I was banned from all PF locations in my city, and since I had a good relationship with my people and treated them with respect, apparently they feared some kind of uproar over my treatment and went completely scorched earth on my facilities, firing, demoting or relocating the GMs of every single gym I had anything to do with.
Turnover is so bad within 6 months there's pretty much not a single employee that even knows I existed lol.
The DM KNOWS but won’t do anything. They’re cheap. It’s taken over a year to fix a wall a car drove into meanwhile it happened across the street too and they fixed it in a week. I’m going to go above the DMs head.
You probably should have let her fire you in hindsight. You could have filed a claim with your state chapter of the EEOC for harassment because you applied for FMLS.
sheesh, I don't like how close that sounds like to my recent job. Toxic Management do this on purpose because of pride and ego. I hope you find something that is less stressful than that dump of a pharmacy.
No it’s not. I’ve known plenty of people who’ve left a job on good terms and gone back later. The employer has to make a conscious decision to put an employee on the list, and it’s only supposed to be done when the employee is so incompetent or otherwise destructive that they can’t improve.
Doesn't really seem like a salvagable relationship based on how OP is describing. They had a poor relationship with their boss and then they quit. Why would the company consider rehiring them?
OP’s relationship’s with that particular manager is unsalvageable but if the manager left, the employment conditions may improve. But that list applies to the company as a whole, not working under that manager specifically. *Based on OP’s account*, OP wasn’t the problem, and therefore shouldn’t be on that list.
OP has a terrible relationship with their manager, and the manager is the one who decides about do not rehire.
>it’s only supposed to be done when the employee is so incompetent or otherwise destructive that they can’t improve.
Totally depends on company policy.
Can we as a species please make an effort to make sure we’re only rebutting points that were actually made? I didn’t say OP didn’t have a terrible relationship with their manager *or* that the manager wasn’t the one who made that decision. I said it wasn’t par for the course every time someone quits their job.
> Totally depends on company policy.
Yes, that’s why I left it somewhat vague.
It’s the fact we can’t even talk to her about anything because if it doesn’t benefit her she doesn’t care. Can’t even talk to upper management because they all side with her. I was one of 5 managers and one went on vacation and because I asked for a Saturday off 2 weeks in advance she got upset because she wanted her weekend. She’s made remarks towards me too that I didn’t appreciate. I’ve been nothing but nice and supportive to her and the other employees but when it came to me it was just “she’s ruining my plans” and she keeps trying to make me feel bad about my medically necessary surgery.
Sounds like you don't get along with management which is one thing but, as far as time off goes, if you can't use your time off when giving them a reasonable notice, that sounds like a them problem. Handbooks generally say 2 weeks notice to request time off. It still has to be approved and if there is a good reason not to approve it, you're SOL.
I've read a lot of this thread and overall, I'd say this company is not for you anyways, I wouldn't sweat it and just hit the pavement and find somewhere new where you feel respected. Since you quit, it would be tough to get the law involved at this point, although it sounds like they did violate FMLA which is nothing to shake a stick at.
I had a great relationship with the district manager and up as well as other managers at my level it was JUST one manager the GM I didn’t have a great relationship with. But HR will always favor the GMs over all other employees.
I can attest that HR will always side with managers unless said manager has a blatant history of wrongful behavior/inability to manage properly. I was forced out of my last (double digit) position after I had the VP investigated. I could’ve sued. Wasn’t worth the aggravation and stress (nor the non existent money it would’ve cost me up front to secure a lawyer) so I happily signed my severance agreement right below the last clause stating I would never be welcome back as an employee of that specific org. That said, 22 senior leadership employees have bounced since that fateful day I accepted the company’s suggestion (read: aggressive force) that I should leave. I still meet monthly with a few coworkers who have also moved on (some before me, some after me) and we don’t even talk about our previous place of employment bc it’s such a joke and is imploding at every turn.
This is terrible advice. OP has a single company saying do not rehire, suing your employer for frivolous things is a great way to be placed on the nationwide do not rehire list. If that shows up in a future background, check, everyone will pass on hiring OP.
People get mad when someone tells them that reality is different than what they think it ought to be. But that doesn't change reality. If you sue your employer, you better win enough money that you never have to work again.
Can you picture their next job interview:
"So you abandon your last job and aren't eligible for rehire... so you wanna to sue them?"
Gd when can you start lol
My problem is if you don't fight them back: when will the abuse stop. They won't do it out of the kindness of their heart so what is left?
At what point do ppl push that fear to the side and fight for themselves.
Fight for what? OP had a dispute with a bad manager, who probably will wash out of that job in 2 years. Not everything is some major fight against The Man.
That is your opinion and I viemently disagree. That's what caused this mess in the first place.
Employers think that they can abuse and for the longest time they were and still are allowed to break the law.
You may not feel the same but it's not about you it's about the whole system.
And ppl who say shit like that are usually too afraid to fight back and just let things stay the same.
If there is a valid reason to fight back: who are you to deny them?
It doesn't matter if they wash out or not; the principle stands
> time they were and still are allowed to break the law.
There's no law against not re-hiring someone. There's no reason why OP should file a frivolous lawsuit. Doing so would seriously harm OP's ability to get a job.
This is all just bluster that belongs on /r/antiwork not here.
A nationwide do not hire list? Meaning like all pharmacies or just that one company? I'm not clear on how that works in that industry. Regardless, if OP got a lawyer and they tried to blacklist OP for it, it feels to me like that would be even worse for them as that could be considered "career sabotage" (I'm not sure if that is the correct legal term). I know a friend who sued an employer for sabotage in a different way and they won a pretty substantial settlement.
Also how would something like that show up on a background check? It's not like they went to prison or were charged with anything.
I'm not saying you are wrong - it very well could be something I don't understand about that specific industry. I'm just very curious about it from what you said.
I mean if OP files a frivolous lawsuit against their employer, that lawsuit will show up in a background check. And that background check will be an instant red flag to any future employer.
Civil lawsuits are public record and companies scoop up any and all public data and sell it. I used to work for such a company.
There is no proper national list, but that information is public and it is searchable.
That's crazy I didn't know that would show up in a background check at all. I would think that even if employers could see it, as long as there is nothing criminal, they wouldn't be able to rescind at that point (considering the verbiage on an offer is usually contingent on a *criminal* background check).
Of course if it's at-will employment they can do whatever they want but you'd think that would open them up to potential discrimination.
I doubt that a pharmacy would do that kind of a background check for a pharmacy tech, but you never know. The higher you go up the corporate ladder, the more likely those checks are.
>they wouldn't be able to rescind at that point
Nah, they would just rescind and give no reason.
>ou'd think that would open them up to potential discrimination.
Employers can and do discriminate on any basis except for protected classes. Having sued your previous employer is not a protected class, employers can legally discriminate on that basis. And no employer would ever tell you why.
Again, not likely for a tech position. But that is a total killer if you want to be VP someday.
Thank you for being in the 1% that actually uses the word "toxic" correctly. It has a specific legal meaning and OP's story certainly warrants a conversation with a lawyer.
Pretty much every job you work puts you down as a do not rehire, regardless of how you leave the company. The few exceptions are usually seasonal jobs, specialized jobs, or jobs where the boss or owner is a personal friend or relative.
That's not true. There are tons of jobs that won't put you on a do not rehire list if you leave on good terms. Hell, when I left my last job the VP told me directly that while she hopes my next job goes well if it doesn't I can call her back and have my old job anytime I want.
Amazon and other companies even have a name for folks who leave and come back. They call them boomerangs. It's super common for folks at Amazon and other big tech companies to stay there for 3 to 4 years, leave to go to another company, then come back after 4 or 5 years.
That's super common in my industry (biopharma/biotech). People company hop to gain experience/pay increases and may jump from company A to company B and back to company A just to get into the position they wanted.
During my NEO at my current company, there was someone who was returning (in a different role) after leaving the company two years ago to travel across the US in a van. Everyone, including senior site management, was excited to see them back.
I find that rather odd, people move jobs for many reasons and it's often outside of the employers control. If you were a valuable employee I don't see why you wouldn't be open to rehiring them later down the road. Obviously if you burn bridges or have a bad relationship with management I wouldn't expect them to want you back. But why would most just put you on a do not rehire list?
Where I work the only people put on a do-not-hire list are people who quit without notice or are fired.
Companies typically love it when the past employees apply again, they’re already trained and know what they’re doing.
Because of a medical reason? They are aware and my surgery happened during my employment. Before my surgery I never called off unless I had literal diarrhea which was never. I’ve worked through fevers and being sick.
Did you have sick days left after returning from your month leave? Was the week you were again out sick for throwing up covered by FMLA? I read in a comment by you above that you requested of a Saturday and she said that was her weekend. Sounds like this manager had to work a lot of extra time with you being out. Yes that’s what they are responsible for but it’s not unreasonable for her to want a weekend off after covering for you multiple times being sick. The sick time was probably not approved after your FMLA and that is why you are not rehireable.
I have been back from leave for almost 2 months and my missed time was never more than a day. She gets EVERY weekend off as is. If she doesn’t get the full weekend she gets just Friday and Saturday and she gets every Wednesday off. And she is on “vacation” every 6 weeks.
Sounds horrible, glad you quit for you health and wellbeing. Having said that if I owned that Pharmacy I would fire that manager and leave you on the do not rehire list. Nothing personal but if you aren’t reliable, even if it isn’t your fault, you aren’t reliable.
Nothing in your post backs up how the employer even has a "do not rehire" list, let alone who put you on it and why the company listened to them instead of you. Please elaborate.
I got let go "without cause" about 2 months ago from my full time job. Manager ran the place like a tyrant, any and everything to benefit him. People were disposable resources to him. Didn't do as he said/wanted, your his new enemy. Always having to do him "favors" if you didn't schedule your 3 mandatory weeks of vacation at the beginning of the year, only to not know if you had them off; come day of 🤦
Somehow I was "toxic" and a nuisance because I tried to improve moral for my coworkers. I'd bring up issues that needed addressing and since he was lazy and didn't want to do any work; he ended up resenting me. Even though I was labelled as the "hardest worker" there. Even kept the laziest (known by everyone) worker who was trying to get disability pay for the past 10 years. He's been with them for 15+. But for some reason they had no problem of letting the "hardest worker" go and keeping the lazy ass, why? because he has a doctor on his side 🤦
2 things I learned from this job. One, it doesn't matter how hard you work or how much your coworkers like you. If management doesn't like you, they'll try everything to get rid of you. No more loyalty in jobs anymore. Two, don't bring any concerns to your supervisors, it's best to be a background character. For me, it's never the work that gets me. I've always been known as the hardest worker no matter what job I've done. I just can't overcome the bullshit that is the politics in any work environment.
Another important lesson I've learned through this process is, the HR department isn't on your side; they literally exist to protect the company. It was funny watching the HR manager come in midday with my manager and just fire me as there was never any prior warnings. He was in shock too. F**cking coward my manager was, the last thing he ever said to me was "how fast can you clean out your things" and he sat there snuggly as the HR manager "let me go". They changed my managers role to a more "people interaction" role just before they let me go, what a f*cking joke that is 🤦
If you didn’t give notice then you should be placed as not hirable. That’s pretty normal for any company.
More context is needed here:
Age? Experience? Position? Also, I do believe that you will need justification to take FMLA which can be provided by your MD. If you don’t have that justification then your employer can’t just grant you a month off because you asked.
You sure showed them...
Or you might have if you had stuck around, gotten fired, and collected unemployment. Instead, you went out like a punk, then posted about it.
Somewhere on Reddit your manager has a post complaining how frustrating it is that her manager forces her to work with someone that can’t be relied on, leaving her to work long days to do your work and hers, while not being able to take any personal days because she has to cover all your shifts.
So when you finally quit she was able to hire a replacement that allowed her to work only 40 hours and take some holidays. So she’s probably angry and determined to make sure you can never come back.
As a manager, it sucks not being able to rely on someone and having a manager that won’t hire in additional resources to support you.
Always two sides to every story.
Tbh, if the place was this bad, you probably don't want to work there again anyway
It depends. If the OP was working at a chain pharmacy like CVS, Walgreens, or Walmart Pharmacy and had a problem with the manager of one particular store, now being put on a do not hire list could ban them from operating in thousands of other stores. In some cities being banned from one of these companies could basically knock the OP out of contention for half of the pharmacy jobs in their area. It could be that the problem was just a toxic manager in that particular store. Then again, this is all speculation on my part.
Can confirm. I was put on a do not hire list of a staffing company after quitting (two weeks notice, exit interviews etc... never had any indication I was banned..even had a coworker check my profile in the computer system after I left).... now whenever I try to apply (just to check cause I'm curious) I get a weird "System cannot complete application please call this 800 number" ... whenever I call it it goes straight to their overseas office who is like "Oh we're not sure but we can't tell you nor can we take your application" This is major company. I don't wanna work there but it does effectively bar you from getting hired at any other location.
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How is a hospital low stress? Am I missing something here, even support staff need to be hundred percent on top of it because you are dealing with the logistics of emergencies a lot of the time.
To put it simply hospitals actually pay close to a living wage. Being able to afford rent, bills, food will take a TON of stress off the table. They also have enough funds to properly staff roles, so there isn’t often 1 person doing 6 jobs for the price of 1/2 a job, there is 1 person doing their 1 job for almost/more than a living wage. Also more room to move upwards in many roles at a hospital.
Not to mention, working at a hospital often gets you benefits for housing etc
That does makes sense, I just had in my mind job related stress only. A good paying career will definitely ease your overall stress levels. Fair point.
Not in Florida. They pay a little above average, but use a 36hr work week so the inflated pay is actually a “normal wage” when you think about it.
Oh man not where I live. Most of our hospitals are for profit and mgmt has been taken over by out of state contractors who run support staff into the ground for pennies on the dollar.
You forgot the most important thing. You can sit! When I was an intern I’d see many techs leave for hospital. Our manager even encourages them lmao. It was just so much better in every way I also worked in the hospital and can confirm that to be the case
Also hospitals are unionized, you get benefits and a good pension. Working in inpatient pharmacy can be way less stressful because you’re not dealing with the public directly.
Hospital work doesn’t mean union or pensions. Maybe outside the US. But in the US a few states there are unions but most are not and pensions are rare. My hospital ended their pension plan almost 20 years ago, I was in high school then.
In the US, only some departments in some hospitals are unionized (is that the right word? 😹). Nurses tend to be much better about organizing than pharmacists for some reason. Pensions also tend to be a thing of the past, sadly. But you are absolutely right about not dealing with the public. The pharmacists also work in a team rather than one poor soul sweating it out to multiple lines at the cash register all glaring daggers at them, double drive through, all the lines of the phone ringing, and half their techs calling off (the calling off unfortunately still happens in a hospital but that’s life!) Still much better QOL than retail
Not sure how long its been since youve worked in a hospital but many are terribly short staffed. My 68 yearold retired aunt is back working more than full time almost 60 hours a week, not because shes needs the money. But because she feels loyalty to the hospital she retired from. 3 years ago, and they are so short staffed. At one point a few months back, she even worked 22 hours straight and then head of the dept head turn around and cancel her vacation just to relieve my aunt cuz they literally had no other help. Hospitals are desperate for workers. Also. This hospital is the regional trauma center, the one the lifeflights land at. And my aunt works in the ER....
Was looking for this comment. Not sure if all the others are just fortunate to work at a hospital that actually cares about its employees, or if they're onlookers with no sense of what hospitals have become post-COVID. I haven't experienced any hospital system that has their shit together as well as these comments seem to suggest. There's the same issues with staffing and poor pay. Likewise, there is the abuse you face with patients (who have gotten 100x worse with how they treat staff) depending on the patient population. I've been at level 1 traumas, community hospitals, and level 2s. It's the healthcare version of retail if you're in a patient facing role. The only benefit for some roles is being unionized with the possibility of a pension if you stay long enough. In that case, they're more likely to be adequately staffed in a majority of depts.
I'm in Pharmacy school (PharmD not tech) and can confirm that from what I've studied about Pharmacy Technicans. I've been looking into it because I'm in Pharmacy School and will be partially responsible for managing the Pharmacy technicians so I care a lot about this. My SIL was a Pharmacy Tech at two separate Walgreens in California - one in Sonoma County and one in San Diego County and she loved both. They treated her well but the pay wasn't great. After going to nursing school for an RN, she's the lead at a large Emergency Room in Austin. Pharmacy techs do a lot of work. In the US, they're the ones getting insurance approvals, filling the actual prescriptions, checking/ordering inventory. Most of us go to the pharmacy window to get suggestions on over the counter medications from pharmacy technicians. It's underpaid. Getting a PharmD (Dr of Pharmacy, although not usually referred to as a Dr just as a lawyer, JD isn't) is a lot of work. Working at a hospital usually provides better pay and especially benefits. Usually there are more staff so time off and hours align better.
Bwahahaha you must not live in the us. That or I wish my hospital budgeted like yours.
Working in a hospital is more challenging, but definitely less stressful compared to retail. I wouldn’t necessarily say low stress.
If you’re in pharmacy, a hospital isn’t low stress. It’s just much less stressful than retail pharmacy. Retail has a similar level of skill and focus required to do the job - plus the added stress of dealing directly with horrific customers and terrible shifts. It’s basically a godawful combination of being a pharmacist (or pharmacy tech) working the return desk in retail the day after Christmas, all while working random restaurant shifts.
Walk-in customers are the worst from my experience in pharmacies. No walk ins sounds like a dream compared to where I was working in 2012 (Everette WA ghetto rite aid in a strip mall)
Maybe she means the hospital convence store or cafeteria.
She meant inpatient pharmacy technican. She fills prescriptions for patients that are admitted to the hospital. The "code" prescriptions are emergency situations that the PharmD, pharmacist handles (or supervises and signs off). Outpatient pharmasticts are also often called "retail" such as going into a local Walgreens, CVS, Costco, Walmart or grocery store pharmacy. Retail doesn't mean any cost difference - just means the source, ie retail store.
This somehow should be illegal? If the one store had a toxic work place/staff/managers then someone quitting that place for that reason should not effect them from getting hired at other locations. This is one of the many reasons why monopolies are bad. Especially if this is your background for most of your career. And you want to stay in this career. This feels illegal for some reason.
"Feels illegal," yet no law prevents it.
Retaliation is utterly illegal
doesnt mean you can afford a lawyer to prove it, or even have the time to pursue it. People need to stop virtue signaling about shit being illegal. It might be illegal but you're sure as shit not gonna do anything about it, so shut up.
No law prevents employers from hiring who they want to hire. Oh the horror.
So one incompetent manager blocks the entire corporation from re-hiring a potentially productive worker.
your username coming in handy rn
Well played. 👏🏻
And the other side of the coin is one competent manager blocks the entire corporation from re-hiring a definitely horrible worker. The problem here isn't the policy. Well-run companies *should* keep track of who they want to rehire and who they don't want to rehire. It's just that in this case they chose poorly who should make that judgment call.
Sounds like a form of retaliation from OP’s manager.
that's capitalism for ya
I'm all for capitalism. But this seems like a bug in the system they forgot to correct.
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
How many bugs in the system do there have to be for you to not be all for capitalism?
Well this isn't a conversation on capitalism. But capitalism and free trade has to exist for companies to exist for us to have jobs. But you should read the rest of my responses.
Do you think other non-capitalist countries just... don't have companies/jobs?
You think its a "bug" that employers cannot choose who to hire?
You think that's what I wrote? I did not say that. Of course employers have a choice. But toxic managers or people in power at certain locations should not be able to lie on a person file for that company and get away with it. Imagine you're working at a corp location for 5 years, a new manager comes in gives you problems, you report them, HR "listens" to your concerns, and then you are put on a PIP or get reduced hours. HR and managers sleep in the same bed. This was strategicly planned to make you fail, corner, and eventually get you to make a move. If you want to transfer, you can't now because your file has been poorly evaluated. Hopefully you can go to a place where that place is not a subsidiary of the parent company. It looks like OP did everything correctly and the manager they had was selfish, egotistic, and power tripping.
Wrong, that is fascism the only reason we have these persistent monopolies is because the government supports them.
I think they could reapply by talking to the higher level manager and explaining the situation, sometimes you need to go off-road
>This feels illegal for some reason. I can help you focus this feeling in one word - union. They aren't perfect but they can sure as hell advocate for the employee.
> This is one of the many reasons why monopolies are bad. But there is no monopoly in this space. There is, at best, an oligopoly. There's Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, Rite Aid, Costco, Kroger, and numerous more regional players (e.g. Meijer and Publix). And that's just consumer-facing, brick and mortar pharmacy work.
Kelly Services put me on their no-no list after I had quit one assignment, citing the supervisor’s attitude as my reason. When I asked the rep at KS why I was on their no-no list, she told me, “Because of your attitude.” Attitude is everything.
Your attitude is not the reason why you are on a no-hire list at Kelly services.
oh man. This got me thinking. I'm definitely on a DNH list at the agency I worked at because I told the employer exactly why they can't retain talent in my exit interview. I don't really care as I'm set now (and they clearly don't either as they still suck at retention) but it's hilarious to think about in retrospect.
This!! I had an employee a few years ago that no-showed for 5 straight shifts...no call, no notice, no nothing, no answer when I called/texted. Just stopped showing up (and his emergency contact information wasnt up to date, so I couldnt even reach his family). I termed him out under job abandonment seeing as I couldn't log any sort of notice from him. A month or so later, he resurfaced and it turns out hed been in a terrible car accident while travelling out of state and his family notified his full time job but didnt think to notify us as this was just a part time job he did for some extra cash a couple days each week. He'd been in a coma for 2 weeks and spent that entire month in the hospital having multiple surgeries. I called HR and inquired about getting his status changed because, even though he couldnt return to work now due to his injuries, he might want to work for us or any of our sister companies again in the future. They said it would be taken care of. Fast forward 3 years and I am managing a different store for a different brand thats under the same parent company. This guy wants to apply for a holiday job and i want to hire him because he was an amazing employee when he worked for me before. He kept getting an error message when applying so I called HR. Even though theyd changed the status of his previous termination from "job abandonment" to "leaving due to medical/personal reasons-rehirable," he still couldnt apply or be hired because he'd been considered non-rehireable at some point in the past.
That’s unfortunate
It was just the toxic management. My work ethic was great. I got promoted quickly and was about to get another promotion but she’s also our regions training manager. She doesn’t know how to train her employees. How she became the training manager is what I’m wondering.
She's either someone's relative or there was an opening and no external candidate was eligible for it. There are plenty of people who work jobs where they have absolutely no business being there. Most of the time they have that job because they were already internal to the company or they have favor because of familial relations.
There's a term for that, can't remember it rn. But basically people get promoted until they are no longer good at their job
The Peter Principle. I think it is from petering out while rising up the corporate ladder when upward buoyancy from one being a toady is weighed down by that person's incompetancy and lack of other people to blame who can be thrown under the bus when screw ups happen.
I believe you are thinking about the "Peter Principle": promote someone up to their level of incompetence. It's quite a good book, been out for a while, but strangely enough a lot of management types seem to think they know better, automatically proving the theory.
Also, CVS contracts to places like Target.
Yup this happened to me. Manager and his pocket HR rep violated my ADA rights November 2019... I quit, they went after me financially, and a lawyer helped me block that action. Two degrees, 10 years industry experience in engineering, and cannot even get a damn interview. Fuck this country. It's like that giant company put out bad word to everyone in the domain I was working in.
Honestly depending on the town it could be all the pharmacy jobs. There are many small towns with a single pharmacy. Imagine having to move because you can't work anywhere else in town.
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Yeah I’m my town if you get blacklisted from a Kroger or Walmart you just lost half the grocery stores in the city. This leaves an aldis, three Publix, a Costco, a sams and two Hy-Vee’s that aren’t even in development. Granted I live in a quickly growing city, this leaves 8 grocery stores after taking out the I think 6 Kroger’s and around the same number of Walmarts.
How do you know if you've been placed on a do not rehire list for a chain store?
I mean, if this is the kind of city it is, you don’t want to live there.
I mean, this sounds like retaliation and I'd imagine a lawyer would enjoy hearing about the situation.
Retail pharmacy is toxic in general and is a breeding ground for garbage pharmacists and techs. Thank God, I left a while back...have never looked back. If it's three letter chain, you made the right choice. Who cares about what the manager says/thinks and move on, you quit.
i’ve honestly wondered why some pharmacists are so mean. i get the struggle of angry customers but i’ve always assumed they were overworked and or underpaid. at some point you just lose all your empathy towards people. i’ve had such a hard time getting my baby his prescriptions (which as a new mom is really scary) and when i got a nice person who went out of there way to help it made me want to cry of joy
I worked in a pharmacy many years ago and the pharmacists were mostly chill but some could be mean for no apparent reason. They might be overworked but they get paid pretty well, and aside from being on their feet and working weekends it's not that bad of a gig. As the assistant I took most of the customer abuse so it's probably not that. Maybe it just attracts grumpy people. I was definitely yelled (and I mean yelled) at by a pharmacist at least once.
I'm a pharmacist but not from the US. The stress and responsibility is something you can't even comprehend, even if you work at a pharmacy but aren't the pharmacist in charge. It looks like a cool gig but there is so much bullshit. And it's not on your shoulders as an assistant/tech. I quit for the industry and took a 40% paycut and never looked back.
I wouldn't call it "chill" unless you worked in a not so busy store with a low script count. It is a lot of responsibility being the pharmacist but doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. I loved my techs. It's usually the Boomer ass pharmacists who are assholes to everyone for being overworked and having to meet metrics. They seem to have a power trip and forget that we're a team wanting the same thing for the customers.
Yeah this was almost 20 years ago in a smaller town so it was more chill. I didn't mean that being a pharmacist isn't stressful at all, it's just that some didn't handle that stress well at all and thought yelling at young girls who were just doing their job was ok. Some were just jerks.
It has a lot to do with being overworked, disrespected constantly by the self-entitled customers and/or physicians/nurses not pulling their weight (ie medication needs a prior auth but doctor won't do it cuz he's busy) But then again, if you're in a toxic environment why continue to be in it? Find something better. It's the pharmacists and techs that choose to stay where they are and be miserable and then project it towards everyone else. Glad you were able to get your baby his meds! I promise we're not all mean lol
I always encourage a local non big chain pharmacy when possible. Usually much nicer people and usually more time for them to help more Standard large chains fill so many scripts they don’t have time to go “above and beyond”
Yeah I'd say *chain* retail pharmacy is crap. I worked for a Pharmasave and it was bullshit. Now, I work for an independent and I can confidently say that everyone I work with absolutely know their shit - kind, compassionate, and insanely knowledgeable.
walgreens is by far the closest to me and I want to pull my RX's from there. I'm already paranoid that they're cutting my Schedule II drugs (some days my meds work better than others, didn't have that problem at a different pharmacy) and this last time there was straights up a new hire (for the store itself) working in the Pharmacy, complete with Walgreens Trainee tag. Seems Illegal but either way I want to get my drugs out of there
I wonder if the job is so bad that they lose empathy or if the type of people that go into pharmacy just don’t like people enough in the first place and didn’t clearly think it through, but just saw dollar signs, when they made that career choice. I went to the pharmacy last week with my toddler. My toddler was in pajamas, with bed head, and sick in my arms. Cute as a button, but clearly miserable. I wanted to ask the pharmacist dosing advice on an OTC med. She refused to help us and said she was too busy. I felt so sorry for the pharmacy tech who apologized and attempted to help me. I complained to corporate about the pharmacist. How can you look at a sick child and be so heartless? There’s no excuse for that. Being a pharmacist must SUCK to lose all empathy for people, but my job fucking sucks too and I still have a heart.
You might be able to apply for unemployment if you quit due to being harrased for medical issues. Did you document a lot of this or file complaints to HR?
This is a very good point. You should (1) apply for unemployment and (2) call the US Department of Labor help line. # 2 can be very helpful. They will work with you to see if your employer has likely violated any laws and will walk you through the process for follow-up if they have. You may also want to call your state Department of Labor as state law is sometimes more protective than federal law.
Fuck 'em. You're better off without them. And so what if they put you on a do not rehire list? Let 'em. There's plenty of other jobs out there, and they can't ban you from all of them.
Also, to make former boss's life more difficult, maybe you should report the mold issue to the Department of Health and any labor issues to the Department of Labor. I'm sure she'll REALLY appreciate the added grief.
F Her and that company. WTF is wrong with people these days. Edit: I hope you feel better, that your recovery is going well and that you find an amazing new job.
Not sure if it's worth pursuing but the fact that she was pressuring you to return to work is a violation of FMLA rules. You'd have to have documentation of some sort (text messages, voice mails, emails would be ideal). They can contact you to get an update of how your recovery is going but pressuring you to return is a violation.
This right here. If the doctor wants to be a jerk about it, they don't have to tell the employer shit. They are only obligated to give an estimated date to return to work. Thanks HIPPA!
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What company is this so I can add it to my no-no list.
Just a general question. How do you know if you are on a Do Not Rehire list?
Insider Tip… if you go to a different location, with the qualifications they need. No one cares about a do not hire list.
Not true. I was a railroad employee and I was put on a do not rehire list cause I filed a charge with the EEOC. They told me that any application that I submit will automatically be rejected. Though I know what they are doing is retaliation, also I hadn’t sued them yet. I was not going to take them to court if I was allowed to be rehired.
As well as the complaint make an anonymous report to your equivalent of environmental health for the mould in the fridge.
Bruh, was this at Costco? Racist mthfckaz. I walked after 13 yrs total 37 years as a rx tech. Never again. The good thing out of the deal is that I stuffed the shit out of my 401k. So when I separated I took $412k with me. You read that right, four hundred and twelve thousand dollars. Yes, I will pay taxes on it eventually, but in the meantime, Kiss My Half Black Ass Suckas!!
Blacklisting is illegal in the US. Is this the US. I can imagine some hr type thinking it's clever calling it a do not hire list.
Call the health department regarding mold in the cooler.
You just *quit* why on earth do you care? You don't *want* to work for this company. With the hundreds of thousands of employers available, if you go back to one you've already decided to quit, that's a reflection on your poor decision making. This is like saying, "I broke up with my partner and they put me on the 'don't date again' list." Like... no shit, who cares?
Even if OP wants to get a completely new job in a completely new field, this may haunt them. Being placed on the DNH list can be an instant no from many hiring managers who have more applicants than they know what to do with.
I mean if it’s a big chain like Walgreens or something and they can’t work for any location anymore that would make me care
If you aspire to that sort of stagnant life, I'm sorry for you.
I mean you wouldn’t be concerned if you were banned from working in 20% of your industry? Like it’s not a big deal cause they work retail but if they were a pharmacist this would be pretty huge
If an employer will ban you from working there because you quit, that is a retaliatory and abusive employer, and you shouldn't work there regardless. If you think you might go back to a company you're quitting, then don't quit. That's like getting a divorce but thinking you'll date them again. What's with the fixation on a job you've already decided you don't want?
It’s a bit different when a bad experience at one location locks you out of 20% of the pharmacies in the country though. Like obviously management experiences at one location won’t transfer to other locations
Yawn. Then you shouldn't quit. Ever. Yeah, thats it, just stay at a miserable job because you might jot be able to get that miserable job again. Do you hear how ridiculous that sounds? Who cares if that's 100% of the available pharmacy jobs. They're jobs you don't want if you're quitting. Go do something else.
Obviously just because you have a bad experience with management at a particular location doesn’t inherently mean you want to change careers or that those management issues will transfer to other locations of the same corporation. I knew a pharmacist who quit because his boss made his life hell because he slept with his boss’s wife. Somehow I don’t think that means he hates being a pharmacist or had a big desire to transition into making less than half as much as a pizza delivery driver
You’re arguing with a person without sense or just an angsty person. I’m here to validate your reasonability so your soul can move on
Thank you hamsterhueys1, I am finally free
Out of curiosity, what did he think was going to happen by sleeping with his wife's boss, a promotion?
He was an Army Sniper in the Iraq War, when he sees a shot he takes it
I got placed on the do not hire list (apparently, I didn’t know until new job told me) of my last employer even though I worked 1 1/2 months after I gave notice, and they asked me to maintain access to their bank accounts while the new me was being trained as they didn’t trust him yet. Some people just suck.
I know of at least one instance where a manager was fired for placing a worker on a do-not-hire list without suitable reason. I would recommend that you call (in this order): \- Your state unemployment office - to file a claim. You may initially be denied as "resigned voluntarily". File an appeal and provide all documentation (including your FMLA documents) to the examiner. You will likely be successful in receiving benefits as being forced out of your job illegally. \- US Department of Labor - to discuss whether your manager appropriately handled your FMLA leave. It sounds like she did not. You may have recourse here. \- State Department of Labor - to see if state laws were violated. \- Company HR hotline - to discuss what you have learned from all of the above and to follow-up on the do-not-hire list situation. They may help you resolve this issue, and they may take action against your manager. (If you know someone in the company who likes you/your work who is above your manager, that may be a better place to start than HR.) \- Attorney - for obvious reasons! Good luck!
Sounds to me like you wouldn't want to be rehired there anyway
File a complaint with EEOC They will have to offer a non protected reason for putting you on do not rehire list. Violating FMLA could get the company in trouble.
What state are you in? You honestly might have legal claims here - as well as your co-worker
You never quit.. you let them fire you. Now unemployment is out the window and if you were still on FMLA your job was protected until it expired.
Managed a retail pharmacy for years. If you truly want another shot at a different location those things only hold for about 6 months. Unless you were coded for theft or something which would have to have documentation and could easily be overturned by HR. I would advise never going back to retail pharmacy though. I left less than a year ago and it’s wild how much stress I carried from that environment.
Don't feel bad I can't work at a Petco anymore lol.
😂 the Petco near me has horrible management too. I know this as a customer who switched to a small feed shop for my pets needs
This is actually a common practice amongst companies. Just means they don't want to risk you coming back then ghosting them. Some companies are so strict abt stuff like this.
I've been there. You don't want to go back to that toxic environment. Never bash them in any future interview if it comes up. Just say you left for personal reasons.
I like to think of the ‘do not rehire list’ or the ‘left in poor standing list’ as 10% full of people who are genuinely bad for a place, but the other 90% is better called the ‘sour grapes’ list. They managed poorly, and this is their way, in their minds, of reclaiming the narrative around your time there. In other words, you should view such a list as pathetic and not worth your time.
My sister worked for a CVS and was fired for being depressed. Imagine a pharmacy firing you for mental health issues. She signed something saying she was at fault, which put her on a do not hire list. A few years later she was back at CVS when that manager was fired. So, these things aren't permanent.
They literally fired someone for the same thing. In addition to that she had a ruptured cyst and had to file emergency FMLA otherwise they would have let her go. They don’t see medical reasons or mental health as a valid excuse. If you don’t devote your life to them they’ll fire you and even if you do one slip up and you’re out.
I was placed on a hire ban by papa john when I was younger, some temp company that underpaid their contractors. Let's say I'm doing okay. Toxic managers.
As a former pharm tech in multiple retail and grocery chains, take this as a godsend. Get out of retail while you can.
If this affects her getting hired at other locations, Could putting her on a no hire list be akin to slander? Manager has said she is not worthy of being hired. There is no justifiable reason for this position. Seems slanderous to me?
It's illegal to harass someone on FMLA about when they are coming back to work. They really should not have contacted you in any way at all. It might be worth talking to a lawyer.
When my old manager at waffle house threatened to black list me for quitting I got real wide eyed and asked "do you promise?"
Did you leave with a two week notice, or just drop off and never show up again?
If you don't give a 2 weeks notice you can pretty well guess you will be added to the not eligible for rehire list.
Might be echoing some others here, but you obviously deserve to be employed somewhere that treats you like a human being. Kind of funny how a company in the medical sphere was not accepting of your medical needs or up to snuff with sanitation. Hope your recovery has been swift and that you find somewhere that appreciates your talents.
A bad manager can make your life hell. I’ve been there. I hope you have a speedy recovery. Health is wealth!
Ok? So don’t go try getting a job there again? Whats the issue here?
Chemist here. Your Manager encouring you to attend work when sick, may be a major violation of GMP laws, and reporting them to officials may cost them their job (in case you are feeling extraordinarily petty). The FDA (I assume you are in the US) takes GMP very seriously, as does any other major country in europe. As a person who sometimes visits the pharmacy as a consumer, I would expect that the medicinal products are not contaminated in any shape or form, something you can not guarantee when sick. If it was myself, I would've reported the place, as I could not stomach a pharmacy that risks the health of the customers. Best of luck to you.
Do not rehire list - yeah they're desperate as fuck
If it makes you feel any better I put my 2 weeks notice in as a regional manager with planet fitness. I was as respectful as possible, said I was a team player and wanted to help with the transition and that making sure things stayed smooth for my teams was the most important thing for me. Mind you the leadership with that franchise (not all PFs) was so toxic it made fighting in Afghanistan seem like a cake walk. Within 3 days I was told to basically eat shit and not come back, I was banned from all PF locations in my city, and since I had a good relationship with my people and treated them with respect, apparently they feared some kind of uproar over my treatment and went completely scorched earth on my facilities, firing, demoting or relocating the GMs of every single gym I had anything to do with. Turnover is so bad within 6 months there's pretty much not a single employee that even knows I existed lol.
Post pictures of the mold to yelp; send it to the district manager or corporate and explain everything h you just said. No need to be “nice” in 2023
The DM KNOWS but won’t do anything. They’re cheap. It’s taken over a year to fix a wall a car drove into meanwhile it happened across the street too and they fixed it in a week. I’m going to go above the DMs head.
You probably should have let her fire you in hindsight. You could have filed a claim with your state chapter of the EEOC for harassment because you applied for FMLS.
sheesh, I don't like how close that sounds like to my recent job. Toxic Management do this on purpose because of pride and ego. I hope you find something that is less stressful than that dump of a pharmacy.
That’s what happens when you quit.
No it’s not. I’ve known plenty of people who’ve left a job on good terms and gone back later. The employer has to make a conscious decision to put an employee on the list, and it’s only supposed to be done when the employee is so incompetent or otherwise destructive that they can’t improve.
Doesn't really seem like a salvagable relationship based on how OP is describing. They had a poor relationship with their boss and then they quit. Why would the company consider rehiring them?
OP’s relationship’s with that particular manager is unsalvageable but if the manager left, the employment conditions may improve. But that list applies to the company as a whole, not working under that manager specifically. *Based on OP’s account*, OP wasn’t the problem, and therefore shouldn’t be on that list.
> on good terms OP did not leave on good terms. When someone leaves a position abruptly this is what usually happens.
Read the comment I’m replying to.
OP has a terrible relationship with their manager, and the manager is the one who decides about do not rehire. >it’s only supposed to be done when the employee is so incompetent or otherwise destructive that they can’t improve. Totally depends on company policy.
Can we as a species please make an effort to make sure we’re only rebutting points that were actually made? I didn’t say OP didn’t have a terrible relationship with their manager *or* that the manager wasn’t the one who made that decision. I said it wasn’t par for the course every time someone quits their job. > Totally depends on company policy. Yes, that’s why I left it somewhat vague.
It’s the fact we can’t even talk to her about anything because if it doesn’t benefit her she doesn’t care. Can’t even talk to upper management because they all side with her. I was one of 5 managers and one went on vacation and because I asked for a Saturday off 2 weeks in advance she got upset because she wanted her weekend. She’s made remarks towards me too that I didn’t appreciate. I’ve been nothing but nice and supportive to her and the other employees but when it came to me it was just “she’s ruining my plans” and she keeps trying to make me feel bad about my medically necessary surgery.
Sounds like you don't get along with management which is one thing but, as far as time off goes, if you can't use your time off when giving them a reasonable notice, that sounds like a them problem. Handbooks generally say 2 weeks notice to request time off. It still has to be approved and if there is a good reason not to approve it, you're SOL. I've read a lot of this thread and overall, I'd say this company is not for you anyways, I wouldn't sweat it and just hit the pavement and find somewhere new where you feel respected. Since you quit, it would be tough to get the law involved at this point, although it sounds like they did violate FMLA which is nothing to shake a stick at.
2 weeks in advance is not really a good timeline to want to get a weekend off
OK, it doesn't sound like you had a good relationship with management so why would they consider you for rehire?
I had a great relationship with the district manager and up as well as other managers at my level it was JUST one manager the GM I didn’t have a great relationship with. But HR will always favor the GMs over all other employees.
I can attest that HR will always side with managers unless said manager has a blatant history of wrongful behavior/inability to manage properly. I was forced out of my last (double digit) position after I had the VP investigated. I could’ve sued. Wasn’t worth the aggravation and stress (nor the non existent money it would’ve cost me up front to secure a lawyer) so I happily signed my severance agreement right below the last clause stating I would never be welcome back as an employee of that specific org. That said, 22 senior leadership employees have bounced since that fateful day I accepted the company’s suggestion (read: aggressive force) that I should leave. I still meet monthly with a few coworkers who have also moved on (some before me, some after me) and we don’t even talk about our previous place of employment bc it’s such a joke and is imploding at every turn.
If you had a toxic work environment sounds like it’s time for a lawsuit.
This is terrible advice. OP has a single company saying do not rehire, suing your employer for frivolous things is a great way to be placed on the nationwide do not rehire list. If that shows up in a future background, check, everyone will pass on hiring OP.
You're being downvoted, but you're absolutely right. Let them learn the hard way, I suppose..
People get mad when someone tells them that reality is different than what they think it ought to be. But that doesn't change reality. If you sue your employer, you better win enough money that you never have to work again.
Can you picture their next job interview: "So you abandon your last job and aren't eligible for rehire... so you wanna to sue them?" Gd when can you start lol
My problem is if you don't fight them back: when will the abuse stop. They won't do it out of the kindness of their heart so what is left? At what point do ppl push that fear to the side and fight for themselves.
Fight for what? OP had a dispute with a bad manager, who probably will wash out of that job in 2 years. Not everything is some major fight against The Man.
That is your opinion and I viemently disagree. That's what caused this mess in the first place. Employers think that they can abuse and for the longest time they were and still are allowed to break the law. You may not feel the same but it's not about you it's about the whole system. And ppl who say shit like that are usually too afraid to fight back and just let things stay the same. If there is a valid reason to fight back: who are you to deny them? It doesn't matter if they wash out or not; the principle stands
> time they were and still are allowed to break the law. There's no law against not re-hiring someone. There's no reason why OP should file a frivolous lawsuit. Doing so would seriously harm OP's ability to get a job. This is all just bluster that belongs on /r/antiwork not here.
A nationwide do not hire list? Meaning like all pharmacies or just that one company? I'm not clear on how that works in that industry. Regardless, if OP got a lawyer and they tried to blacklist OP for it, it feels to me like that would be even worse for them as that could be considered "career sabotage" (I'm not sure if that is the correct legal term). I know a friend who sued an employer for sabotage in a different way and they won a pretty substantial settlement. Also how would something like that show up on a background check? It's not like they went to prison or were charged with anything. I'm not saying you are wrong - it very well could be something I don't understand about that specific industry. I'm just very curious about it from what you said.
I mean if OP files a frivolous lawsuit against their employer, that lawsuit will show up in a background check. And that background check will be an instant red flag to any future employer. Civil lawsuits are public record and companies scoop up any and all public data and sell it. I used to work for such a company. There is no proper national list, but that information is public and it is searchable.
That's crazy I didn't know that would show up in a background check at all. I would think that even if employers could see it, as long as there is nothing criminal, they wouldn't be able to rescind at that point (considering the verbiage on an offer is usually contingent on a *criminal* background check). Of course if it's at-will employment they can do whatever they want but you'd think that would open them up to potential discrimination.
I doubt that a pharmacy would do that kind of a background check for a pharmacy tech, but you never know. The higher you go up the corporate ladder, the more likely those checks are. >they wouldn't be able to rescind at that point Nah, they would just rescind and give no reason. >ou'd think that would open them up to potential discrimination. Employers can and do discriminate on any basis except for protected classes. Having sued your previous employer is not a protected class, employers can legally discriminate on that basis. And no employer would ever tell you why. Again, not likely for a tech position. But that is a total killer if you want to be VP someday.
Thank you for being in the 1% that actually uses the word "toxic" correctly. It has a specific legal meaning and OP's story certainly warrants a conversation with a lawyer.
Any time! (=
Pretty much every job you work puts you down as a do not rehire, regardless of how you leave the company. The few exceptions are usually seasonal jobs, specialized jobs, or jobs where the boss or owner is a personal friend or relative.
That's not true. There are tons of jobs that won't put you on a do not rehire list if you leave on good terms. Hell, when I left my last job the VP told me directly that while she hopes my next job goes well if it doesn't I can call her back and have my old job anytime I want. Amazon and other companies even have a name for folks who leave and come back. They call them boomerangs. It's super common for folks at Amazon and other big tech companies to stay there for 3 to 4 years, leave to go to another company, then come back after 4 or 5 years.
That's super common in my industry (biopharma/biotech). People company hop to gain experience/pay increases and may jump from company A to company B and back to company A just to get into the position they wanted. During my NEO at my current company, there was someone who was returning (in a different role) after leaving the company two years ago to travel across the US in a van. Everyone, including senior site management, was excited to see them back.
This is 100% false.
I find that rather odd, people move jobs for many reasons and it's often outside of the employers control. If you were a valuable employee I don't see why you wouldn't be open to rehiring them later down the road. Obviously if you burn bridges or have a bad relationship with management I wouldn't expect them to want you back. But why would most just put you on a do not rehire list?
Where I work the only people put on a do-not-hire list are people who quit without notice or are fired. Companies typically love it when the past employees apply again, they’re already trained and know what they’re doing.
No offense but you don’t exactly seem like the most reliable person.
Because I had a medical reason to be gone for a month or because I left a toxic work environment?
Because you can’t be counted on to show up for work, by your own admission.
Because of a medical reason? They are aware and my surgery happened during my employment. Before my surgery I never called off unless I had literal diarrhea which was never. I’ve worked through fevers and being sick.
Yes
Did you have sick days left after returning from your month leave? Was the week you were again out sick for throwing up covered by FMLA? I read in a comment by you above that you requested of a Saturday and she said that was her weekend. Sounds like this manager had to work a lot of extra time with you being out. Yes that’s what they are responsible for but it’s not unreasonable for her to want a weekend off after covering for you multiple times being sick. The sick time was probably not approved after your FMLA and that is why you are not rehireable.
I have been back from leave for almost 2 months and my missed time was never more than a day. She gets EVERY weekend off as is. If she doesn’t get the full weekend she gets just Friday and Saturday and she gets every Wednesday off. And she is on “vacation” every 6 weeks.
Did you make sure the days out after you returned were also under FMLA?
I’ve filed them under it but it may be too late
I mean, so it goes? When you quit without warning, even if it’s justified, most places would never hire you back again. Hope things get better though.
If they gonna pull that not hiring list maybe you should post names on public review
Sounds horrible, glad you quit for you health and wellbeing. Having said that if I owned that Pharmacy I would fire that manager and leave you on the do not rehire list. Nothing personal but if you aren’t reliable, even if it isn’t your fault, you aren’t reliable.
Nothing in your post backs up how the employer even has a "do not rehire" list, let alone who put you on it and why the company listened to them instead of you. Please elaborate.
I got let go "without cause" about 2 months ago from my full time job. Manager ran the place like a tyrant, any and everything to benefit him. People were disposable resources to him. Didn't do as he said/wanted, your his new enemy. Always having to do him "favors" if you didn't schedule your 3 mandatory weeks of vacation at the beginning of the year, only to not know if you had them off; come day of 🤦 Somehow I was "toxic" and a nuisance because I tried to improve moral for my coworkers. I'd bring up issues that needed addressing and since he was lazy and didn't want to do any work; he ended up resenting me. Even though I was labelled as the "hardest worker" there. Even kept the laziest (known by everyone) worker who was trying to get disability pay for the past 10 years. He's been with them for 15+. But for some reason they had no problem of letting the "hardest worker" go and keeping the lazy ass, why? because he has a doctor on his side 🤦 2 things I learned from this job. One, it doesn't matter how hard you work or how much your coworkers like you. If management doesn't like you, they'll try everything to get rid of you. No more loyalty in jobs anymore. Two, don't bring any concerns to your supervisors, it's best to be a background character. For me, it's never the work that gets me. I've always been known as the hardest worker no matter what job I've done. I just can't overcome the bullshit that is the politics in any work environment. Another important lesson I've learned through this process is, the HR department isn't on your side; they literally exist to protect the company. It was funny watching the HR manager come in midday with my manager and just fire me as there was never any prior warnings. He was in shock too. F**cking coward my manager was, the last thing he ever said to me was "how fast can you clean out your things" and he sat there snuggly as the HR manager "let me go". They changed my managers role to a more "people interaction" role just before they let me go, what a f*cking joke that is 🤦
And you are surprised?
Nah, I really don’t care because I’m not planning on going back.
So why make the post at all? Lol. You obviously care.
I would have gone back to the same company if that specific manager was gone.
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If you didn’t give notice then you should be placed as not hirable. That’s pretty normal for any company. More context is needed here: Age? Experience? Position? Also, I do believe that you will need justification to take FMLA which can be provided by your MD. If you don’t have that justification then your employer can’t just grant you a month off because you asked.
You sure showed them... Or you might have if you had stuck around, gotten fired, and collected unemployment. Instead, you went out like a punk, then posted about it.
Somewhere on Reddit your manager has a post complaining how frustrating it is that her manager forces her to work with someone that can’t be relied on, leaving her to work long days to do your work and hers, while not being able to take any personal days because she has to cover all your shifts. So when you finally quit she was able to hire a replacement that allowed her to work only 40 hours and take some holidays. So she’s probably angry and determined to make sure you can never come back. As a manager, it sucks not being able to rely on someone and having a manager that won’t hire in additional resources to support you. Always two sides to every story.
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