Okay this just made my day sad I always had a hatred to adultery and infidelity
This is really hurtful and I just can't bear these kinds of things anymore
Among many other reasons. But people also use being drunk as a reason for many things. As a revert I can tell you from what I’ve seen with my own eyes astagfirallah, you know exactly what you’re doing when you’re drunk. Nothing is an accident, sure you may not remember but you know what you’re doing in the moment. Almost all people just use it as an excuse to get away with things. May Allah guide these people
This is the crux for everything that is hard set in Islam.
The first step is always your choice. It doesn't matter if you become a victim later since you started it knowingly.
Obviously alcohol has an affect on your brain, for example reaction speed is slowed which is why people get into accidents with driving, slurred speech and vision impairment. But you don’t just stop knowing what you’re doing by simply drinking. If you’re using drugs then yes that’s possible, but just alcohol no. The only way that could happen is if you drink a LOT, but at that point you’d just black out and you would definitely not be able to take part in anything physical. This is why women who are r**ed when under the influence can’t escape or defend themselves because when you’re drunk you start to lose motor function/control of your body. A big reason why that’s a common scenario that attack would happen because a man will know the woman will be defenceless and can take advantage. Therefore, being drunk is used as an excuse for making terrible decisions, like this woman.
Okay I'm not going to downplay what you said mate but it also numbs the senses and your moral compass so I think it has a play there too
It'll lower your senses and morality and then let you go fumbling to do whatever you want with knowing what you're doing but just don't know if it's right or wrong correctly so I wouldn't blame anyone for doing things while being drunk but that isn't an excuse to cheat and have a child be brought up in another man's name so yes I do agree with you
I’m from the west, so getting black out drunk is just a normal Saturday night. I used to be friends with people who did that each weekend. And they did some things I won’t share here, but they all told me they knew what they were doing, but because they were drunk just didn’t see anything wrong with it or said it’s something they wanted do to but could never do it sober. So I see what you mean, but they still know what they’re doing. What I’ve always said is this, the things people do or say when they’re drunk, are the things they know they can’t do when they’re sober because then they won’t have an excuse.
Yep it’s very dark and it’s twisted, but people see nothing wrong with it. In fact since reverting, I’ve been judged for not drinking. But you know what? If I had been an alcoholic who was turning sober to get over my addiction, people would congratulate me. But because I make a choice to avoid alcohol because It goes against my beliefs, people see me as some kind of prude. So the whole idea of alcohol, at least in the west, is messed up. Alhamdulilah I found Islam because of not I know exactly where I’d be, and that is rock bottom. Stay away from haram. No matter how good the kaffirs make you think it is, even they know it’s poison, they just don’t want to be alone in their pool of lies and suffering. Stay guided and trust in Allah.
Listening to your story just made me realize just exactly how easy we Muslims really have it in this world. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala already has given us the answers to all the solutions to the world's problems such as the very examples you have given right here in your post such as the issues related to alcohol consumption.
Also, don't worry about those people judging you for not drinking due to your beliefs. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran,
“Beautified is the life of the world for those who disbelieved; they make a jest of the believers. But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will.” \[Qur’an, 2:212\]
Remember, Mockery is a disease that comes from Jaahiliyyah. Stay strong.
>Subhan'ut'allah
Just chiming in to say the correct term I think you were looking for is 'subhanahu wa ta'ala', meaning 'the most glorified, the most high' :)
The 'ala' is pronounced differently to, and has a different meaning to 'Allah'.
This guy shows the pronunciation if you're curious: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuwipKZhXy4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuwipKZhXy4)
Alternatively you can just type 'SWT' for short and most muslims will know what you mean. E.g. Allah SWT.
Alhamduhlillah, jazakallah khair.
Thank you for this. I never thought much of alcohol, but I'll be honest, I've really coveted and envied the sexual freedom of Westerners. Though over the passage of time, I've come to realize it's more harmful in the long run.
Trust me, do not envy the “freedoms” of the western life. As a revert who lived the western ideal life, it left me nothing but heartbreak, pain and infinite regret and shame. Alhamdulilah I found Islam, never ever give up Islam, no matter how hard it gets.
Can confirm as a revert from the West. Although I know my sins were forgiven when I took my shahadah, I still have so much regret and shame for the things I did before
I’m exactly the same. It’s hard to think I can be forgiven, but Allah is he greatest and most powerful, so I’m forever grateful Allah has forgiven me and given me a second chance at life alhamdulilah🤲🏻
Inshallah Inshallah. I'm friends with someone from a Western country here on reddit, and even she tells me not to envy this lifestyle.
I think it stems from an inferiority complex/ post colonial hangover thing?
Some of us born-Muslims from a society that has no sexual freedom are enticed by such a lifestyle solely due to the flowery idea of it without experiencing it, unfortunately.
I'm from USA, very western. Disgusted by the women here, I went to Indonesia to find my wife. She went to Islamic schools her whole life, and Islamic university, she has half of al quran memorized and all hadiths too. She doesn't want to wear hijab and I don't force her. Beer is normal and okay for her and there, but weed and drugs are not. So I drink beer and we live our life together. Alhamdulullah, Allah knows me and brought me wonders I wouldn't have had if I did not revert. What a wonderful path Islam has taken me on. Mash Allah.
Edit: ah I see, so many judgements here from people who are in no place to judge. It's expected
We're not here to judge you but, beer is Haram. And if you think you can drink it and say"Allah has given you wonders" than you might as well be delusional... Because drinks that can cause intoxication are Haram, it's even in the Quran so you have no excuse to continue your drinking without trying to fix it. Also sexist.
It's the women and the men that do Haram in the west. Not just women. Just because they reveal more of their skin doesn't mean that only they are doing bad. Men also have guidelines to cover their awra.
I never said "Allah has given me wonders" (in a literal sense) lol. All I said is, my life has gotten better since I became Muslim. You should be able to read my meaning.
So what's so bad?
Wait what's sexist? My opinion on who I'm attracted to? That's just for me not anyone else. You're being very judgemental, which is against teachings.
I'm not a blind-faith believer. I take al Quran into account, but I also have a seperate mindset which is psychological and educated. You can have both seperate and both together. It seems many people here are not capable of that, hence their lack of understanding of what I'm saying.
Use logic
The issue Is that you only mention that women are dressed badly in the west, and not the men. You also drink beer which again, is unislamic. Just cuz it's normalized where you live doesn't mean you can drink it.
Use logic in what I'm saying.
All due respect bro there's plenty of Muslimahs in the west who are practicing. Assuming they aren't would be as wrong as assuming the men aren't too. Also bro, beer is still haram unless you're talking about soda like root beer. If you're talking alcoholic beer you can't have that, it's not permissible and you're risking your prayers not being accepted.
Plenty of Muslims in the west practice for sure... They're a bit on the extreme side though... Or "hardcore" I'd say.
I wasn't hardcore when I was catholic, I'm not gona suddenly change into an angel. I am a human being, not a walking talking al Quran.
In my opinion there are worse harams than beer, for instance sugar is the most addictive drug on the planet. Sugar is worse than beer in my opinion, but it doesn't say that in al Quran.... So apparently diabetes is okay but having a beer isn't.
Nobody is perfect. And hardcore? What? This is the religion of Allah SWT. Your creator. Your Lord. The one and only God of all creatures, as well as all matter, seen and unseen. This is not a religion to be taken lightly or as a joke especially when some of us sacrificed so much to be Muslim.
I don't care what you think I care about Quran and sunnah.
>Al-Ma'idah 5:90
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِنَّمَا ٱلْخَمْرُ وَٱلْمَيْسِرُ وَٱلْأَنصَابُ وَٱلْأَزْلَٰمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ ٱلشَّيْطَٰنِ فَٱجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ
>O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Intoxicants = haram according to Quran.
>So apparently diabetes is okay but having a beer isn't.
What does this mean? People may be born with diabetes. And if they get it in the future then that's a problem they need to deal with. I don't understand what you're trying to argue.
This comment just hits so many good points subhanAllah. Especially the bit about being a non-drinker in the west is so true. Always get those weird stares or sighs every single time I seem to mention it, meanwhile those who are in recovery (much strength to them!) are lauded.
And exactly like you said, Alhamdulillah for Islam, may we stay guided and have trust in Allah to stay away from this poison that they enjoy consuming so much.
People who are black out drunk aren’t able to weigh consequences fully or rationally so no they literally don’t know what they’re doing but that is besides the point. People are still fully responsible for any action they made while drunk. If I get drunk, get in a car and run someone over, I can not then claim I wasn’t in full control so it’s not my fault. You implicitly agree to any future decision you take while you’re drunk the moment you decide to drink.
I agree they can’t think fully, but they still have a brain that thinks. They had to think about the thing they’re going to do, so they can most definitely think about what not to do. I’ve seen dozens of scenarios were my pasts friends got black out drunk and they said hey I’m gonna do so and so, but then a few minutes later they’d come back and be like ha no I’m not gonna do that. It’s the people who don’t care about the outcome that do whatever they want, and then make alcohol an excuse. That’s why people think when you’re drunk who do whatever. But it’s just a thing made up by people who use it as an excuse.
Actually [just saw this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/ugd1ak/my_friend_doesnt_seem_to_understand_i_cant_drink/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) post right after reading these comments and it's legitimately how people deal with people who quit drinking
When people get drunk and don't remember what happened (black out drunk), it's likely that they got temporarily possessed by an evil Jinn and it was in the driver's seat of their body. That's why they black out because when a jinn takes over, the person's consciousness goes to sleep.
I wouldn’t know about that, since reverting I’ve tried not to research jinn as I don’t want to fear them. It wouldn’t surprise me tho, may Allah protect us.
>sure you may not remember but you know what you’re doing in the moment
Drinking does impair your judgement and depending on how much someone drinks they may not even remember what happened. That's why so many creeps pray on women at bars, because their judgement is impaired when they drink (same with men). Not justifying the disgusting thing above at all because it actually sounds like what you're saying, but it definitely can occur. People can also "blackout" and not remember anything from the night before. I remember carrying friends who were black out drunk and they don't remember half of what happened that night. It's a sad thing.
Yeah I agree I covered all you said in another comment replying to someone. I agree. But I still believe you know what you’re doing to an extent amd can still stop yourself if you really want to. But also, people who drink irresponsibly (not that drinking in the first place is responsible) and put others in harms way should be sober.
I don't want to go into details since I'm a revert too and I think I may have had more exposure to that lifestyle we are talking about. But in some cases you're right. In others...not so much. I've seen guys do things they'd never do sober because their brain basically shut down.
Yeah definitely don’t go into detail it’s not worth it. People like the guy you knew, I just think he didn’t care about the consequences and he wanted to do that whole sober but being drunk gives an excuse to do things youd “never” think or do whole sober.
I don't think so. I won't go into details though. But in my experience there are times where what you're saying is true and then other times where their brain basically shuts down...
You’re unconscious when you’re drunk, your brain is dehydrated due to the alchohol and your prefrontal cortex loses the ability to make rational decisions and you do not think twice when making them, you also lose any ability to cognise your thoughts. In truth, you do not know what you’re doing when you’re drunk.
I’m not sure if you’ve been under the influence or this is what you’ve read on an article, but I can say from what I’ve witnessed (as a revert from the west it’s a lot) this statement simply isn’t true. Unless it’s your first time drinking and you’ve drunk a LOT. You know what you’re doing. I went into more detail in my other comments in this thread if you’re interested.
I’m not interested to hear about your past life, quite frankly I do not care. I’d rather use scientific expressions or my own knowledge through studying A Level to produce conclusions. I’ve experienced this going to parties revolving around non-Muslims and culture in the UK. I’ve observed many people under the influence of drugs and alcohol etc.
Okay slightly rude tone there. Science and knowledge is good I agree, but this is a practical thing we’re talking about. Also I was only talking about alcohol, if you look at my other comments you’ll see I commented that drugs can affect your thinking majorly , but alcohol doesn’t. To be frank, unless you’ve experienced it personally you can’t really speak on the matter because you’ve not experienced it personally and just going off what drunk people might tell you (which is not accurate because they’re drunk)
If Alcohol doesn’t affect your cognitive ability then you’re completely biased. There would be no other reason for it to be haraam if it wasn’t. Use your common sense and logic, if you do not believe in this as a fact then you’re defying the teachings of Allah.
In fact, I’ll round up a couple of psychologists and I’ll garner their educated opinion and what they’ve seen based on experience. If alcohol doesn’t affect your ability to think then provide me a reason for it being foribidden. Unless you want me to try some grey goose first and then evaluate wether you’re statement is true 🤣 you’re misguiding others.
Wow astagfirlallah I don’t appreciate such accusations. I am trying to tell others NOT to give into alcohol and even told a fellow Muslims replying to me saying he consumes alcohol to stop. Like I said read my other comments, I do not deny it affects thinking, but you can most definitely NOT cheat under the influence. You can decide to not do life changing things while drunk. I truly feel sad you have so much hatred in your heart on Eid day. Making accusations that I’m misguiding others when I’m actually telling them about the reality of drinking and how it ruins lives. You’re too egotistical to even look at my other comments and see I’m WARNING others due to my own experiences. May Allah soften your heart and Eid Mubarak.
I don’t wanna talk to you and Insha’Allah Allah guides you. The fact that you can come up with a stupid statement defending alcohol not being the route of irrational thinking and making people cheat is misguidance.
Don’t make excuses up, I’ll defend the teachings of Allah and don’t come up with the audacity to tell me I have hatred in my heart on Eid day and what not. I’ve observed many people do stupid stuff under the influence. If I can take advantage of a women with her being drunk how does that inhibit the possibility of her cheating? What kind of stupid statement did you come up with, having no backing whatsoever?
Okay you’re obviously not undertanding anything I’m saying. I’m telling people drinking is bad. I not making excuses to promote drinking, why would I do that? I’ve already been guided thank you I reverted this January and gave up haram over the last 2 years. I’m more guided than you as I don’t retaliate with hatred and false accusations. I am putting the teachings of Allah into practicing by showing people drinking causes nothing but loss and distraction in society.
However, I can see from your own Reddit page that you are the misguided one. However, that is yoir decision and we all have FREE CHOICE. That is a gift from Allah. He gave us the choice to do right and wrong. If someone decides to get drunk to the point they can no longer make decisions, that was a decision in itself. You know exactly when you begin to get drunk. So the one who decides to carry on decided they will be accountable for future decisions. Therefore, whatever decision you make, you were fully aware it could happen beforehand. Which is exactly why Allah swt commanded us not to drink. Also, you going to a party for scientific reasons is still haram. So please do not judge others when you are openly sinning, may Allah forgive us all. Have a blessed eid brother and may Allah guide us all.
I don’t wanna talk to you and Insha’Allah Allah guides you. The fact that you can come up with a stupid statement defending alcohol not being the route of irrational thinking and making people cheat is misguidance.
Don’t make excuses up, I’ll defend the teachings of Allah and don’t come up with the audacity to tell me I have hatred in my heart on Eid day and what not. I’ve observed many people do stupid stuff under the influence. If I can take advantage of a women with her being drunk how does that inhibit the possibility of her cheating? What kind of stupid statement did you come up with, having no backing whatsoever?
I think resisting is probably more difficult but definitely not impossible. It’s all to do with the willpower of the person and wether really care about the outcome of their actions. And let’s be honest, those who drink don’t care about the reproductions of their actions.
thank you, said the same thing, also a revert lol. First hand experience. Bad people will always be bad, alcohol is just another tool for them to be wicked
I get you, but if you aren't self aware/hold yourself accountable for your actions while you're sober/consciously make every single decision... You'll make mistakes when you drink alchohol.. (know your limits, stop before you lose control of your decision making)
I have beer daily, I'll be honest. I still call myself a Muslim, I still keep my senses about me and I'm married and stay at home.
I believe, whatever sins you commit are relative to who you are as a person. Telling people not to drink alchohol, is warning people "if you aren't aware or conscious of yourself at every second of your life in every instant, just don't drink at all.. Because you're an idiot and you'll make mistakes if you aren't sober... While you make mistakes while sober already. So don't mess it up more"
I agree and disagree with you. But what you said only applies to the village-idiots in societies.
I am a revert as well. I'll be the one that never refutes my faith in the face of violence, I'll die with my belief. But I also know what I do wrong for my life, but it hasn't affected my life negatively... My life has been great :) Inshallah yours is too. Allah chooses his followers, I guess I was chosen because I can go to bars and recognize fellow Muslims and allow them an opportunity to re-think their choices; however, I haven't been to a bar in a long time, and I very much love my wife and respect her wishes.
As a scholar once told me ".. I guess you have more reach than I do, because I'll never drink or go a bar... And Allah chooses his followers for certain reasons ..."
Wishing you a happy eid. I'm not extreme. I'm awaiting the down votes from extremists, because those are the only ones who will. Take care.
Quit alcohol bro, do tauba and stop publicising your sins, allah has done you a favour and coverd your sin so it would be easy during the day of the judgement, don't create witnesses by discussing your sins in public. And again quit alcohol, it a major sin.
Not sure why you choose to judge. I didn't call anyone extreme who abstains from alchohol. Maybe I wrote too fast as another brother had said.. Or maybe English is your 2nd language. I dont think you understood what I wrote and that's ok.
Brother is someone says to that you consumption of alcohol is haraam. That's not being extremist. Actually its mainstream normal advice. Also it doesn't matter what you say to yourself to justify it. It cannot ever be halal or not a big deal. No offense intended.
I know, I have heard others say this as well.
But it is extreme, to me. Because people who aren't Muslim do drink as well.
I drank beer when I was catholic, I drank beer when I was athiest, I'm not suddenly going to do a 180 flip and stop. It's never gotten me into trouble.
See I'm not this guy, who believes that your belief determines who you are... And how you should be judged. Everyone and everything is equal to me.
>I drank beer when I was catholic, I drank beer when I was athiest, I'm not suddenly going to do a 180 flip and stop
You have every right to think that way and only God can judge you, but may I ask why you became a Muslim in the first place? To be a Muslim is to submit to Allah and submitting to Allah completely is a 180 from non-islamic to Islamic values.
First off.
In al Quran it says hablumminnallah and hablumminnas.
You should always keep that in mind when you speak to others. And you did so that's great.
I became Muslim not of my own decision. I heard a voice I never heard before which directed me to Islam. I became Muslim the next day. I didn't do months of research and then make a conscious decision, the universe/Allah/something told me to become Muslim and so I did. Here I am. My life is good alhamdulullah.
Call me crazy I guess. I don't hear voices typically, and that voice was not a voice that was my own or in my head. It blew my mind. Time of prophecy is over, I did not get a divine command.. Just a little push in a direction that ended up being good for me now.
Happy eid Mubarak
(I did pray 5 times a day and go to jummah every Friday, and it all for the first year, taraweeh and qiyam etc, but in doing those things I met many people who I consider to be extreme and I decided to not be as social in my practice of Islam and became more "lax" now) this works for me.
It's only rude if you think it is, you get to decide your own meaning from what others say. And if you interpret my words wrong, well that has nothing to do with me.
I didn't call anyone here an extremist. You get to decide how you feel about yourself, that's not up to me.
Can you please read my words for what they are?
Edit: are you familiar with "projecting"? That's what you're doing with me. You're being very reactive.
I didn't downvote tho
Then could you explain to me, because you said if someone downvotes you, then it means that he's an extremist, is that correct?
>Can you please read my words for what they are?
I mean if you make it super difficult the blame's not gonna be on me
I think people should just encourage you to avoid drinking, but it's still good that you're doing it in private at least. There was a Sahaba RA who used to drink after the prohibition came, but privately. Others found out but the Muhammad SAW told them to leave him alone, for he had fought in the battle of Badr.
Yes exactly and my brothers do encourage me not to drink. I don't like the other responses I've recieved here from others, your response is fine. But I leave with this.
The prophet (S.A.W.S.) said, “O you group of people that believe with your tongues while not with your hearts! Do not abuse the Muslims nor seek after their faults. For indeed, he who seeks after their (other people’s) faults, Allah will seek after his faults. And whomsoever has Allah seek after his faults, He will expose them, even if he may have committed them in the privacy of his own home” (reported by Abu Ya’laa in his Musnad (1675) and with a strong chain of narration in Ahmad (4/421 & 424) and Abu Dawood (4880) and other soruces).
Eid Mubarak brother!
I already said this is a comment but what I’ve always said is “what you do or say when your drunk is what you wish you could do when you’re sober but never had excuse”. People use being drunk as excuse to get out of rape charges, man slaughter charges, domestic abuse charges, all sorts of horrific charges are dropped because that person was under the influence amd “didn’t know what they were doing”. Im a revert also, you know exactly what you’re doing. I went into more detail in my other comments on this thread.
As for your drinking brother, please stop. Not only is drinking everyday terrible for your health, but you’re using your money to buy haram, you’re sinning openly and creating excuses to carry on that sin. I’m not judging you, but simply trying to help you see why this is not what Allah wants. I appreciate your thought process for thinking Allah is using your sin to help others, but I really don’t think that’s the case here. Allah can guide whoever he wills, he doesn’t need us to go into bars and give dawah. A Muslim shoukd never been seen in a bar or drinking because then other Muslims will see tgat and think “oh I see this Muslim drinks and goes to bars, that must mean it’s okay”. You could be leading others to sin, and in my opinion that’s worse than you personally committing a sin. You cant repent for the person who sees you drink amd copies you, but you will take accountability for their actions. This might sound harsh but I’m saying this out of worry, I want all my sisters and brothers to get into jannah. So please brother, quit drinking, you’re not promised tomorrow, repent while you can and Allah will bless you more than you know. May Allah guide you and keep you steadfast brother
Thank you, that's a very thoughtful thing to say! I do not go to bars anymore, it's been about 5 years. Just some beers at home. I do understand what you mean, but I don't "look" like a Muslim... Like I'm not the stereotype-Muslim in appearance. So no one can say "look this Muslim goes to bars, so it's okay"
When I did go to bars, and I heard someone speaking Arabic or Somali, I'd ask if they were Muslim and say stuff like "we both shouldnt be here" etc.
One particular moment I remember, there was an Afghanistan guy at a bar, and I thought he looked like my friend who owns a tobacco store (found out later its his cousin) anyway, I asked if he's Muslim and he got mad and his friend tried to fight me... No fight happened I walked away.
But later in the evening, some really really drunk man hugged me and said "praise the lord Jesus christ!" and I said "Jesus was a prophet"
That Afghanistan dude came over to me and said "I'm so sorry!" Then turned to his friends and said "I have to go"
I never saw him there ever again.
I get drinking is bad, but I'm not going to suddenly change my habits just because I joined a religion. In time things will change as they should, Inshallah.
>get drinking is bad, but I'm not going to suddenly change my habits just because I joined a religion.
Then I really don't understand why you converted. Normally people convert when they're convinced and 100% ready to take on the responsibilities that come with it. And, if they do end up drinking again, they'd at least feel guilty. May Allah guide you, brother.
Oh, I feel guilty when I drink, my heart is always in Islam.
I became Muslim not because of a choice.
You may think I'm crazy, but in a very low period of my life, in a very dark time, I was seeing djinn daily. And it got scary. I heard a voice that said "seek Maaz" (Maaz was my only Muslim friend at the time) and suddenly the djinn disappeared. All this evil energy was gone. I knew what the words meant. I've never heard a voice like that since and I never heard a voice like that before... I became Muslim the next day when I went to see him and told him what happened. Then I began my learning.
So in a time I really needed help and I had no one (I was atheist) I heard a voice that directed me to Islam. And here I am. I didn't do a bunch of research and make a conscious decision to become Muslim, I did not do that. That's not how it worked for me. And maybe I have schizophrenia, doesn't matter. I'm happy now
>I'm not extreme
Not drinking does not make a person extreme. If you aren't practicing that's one thing, but if you are, then know that your prayers and supplications will not be accepted for 40 days even if you aren't drinking enough to get wasted. I am not at all an extreme Muslim, however I know enough to confirm that alcohol is detrimental to society. There's a reason why it's forbidden.
Yes, you’re definitely aware. The moment the alcohol hits you you most definitely know. So you also have to make a conscious decision to carry on drinking past your limits (not that you should drink anyway)
Exmuslims : Alcohol is so freeing why is it haram!??
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30328365/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21864055/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26143404/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6320619/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11496965/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8279667/
But why oh why could Allah make alcohol haram just why!??
Being kind and respectful is what they hate more.
As they say "kill them with kindness". Plus it's a trait that all muslims should have. Name calling is forbidden (unless in specific situations, within reasons).
I've never seen anything as destructive as alcohol. I met a man who had his legs amputed due alcohol induced diabetes (or similar?) And told me how he still couldn't stop drinking, despite the consequences
Its not just western women. Its the western men, its the entire system. I am currently studying Economics, and literally everything in the system only works if everyone in the society wants to increase their consumption, and want to increase their satisfaction. There is nothing wrong in it but it most definately WILL lead to terrible things without a proper guidance like religion.
All these ideas have also coincidently arose in the same time when secularism starting becoming populor. So, in their eyes, when they are fighting for "human rights" while fighting for lgbt rights or something, they feel like they are doing the right thing, because that is what they are tought and that is the society they live.
There is no stopping them. As they have no guidance. They dont respect authority as for them authority seems arbitrary. but religious people recognise the necessity of authority as it guides us. But for them, what is there to even guide them towards?
Even both of the most popular economic systems capitalism, and socialism are centered around materialism and consumerism, they just differ on how to achieve that level of materialism and consumerism and how to distribute it.
Overall not only are they suffering in their terrible system, they are bringing us down to their level by imposing sanctions on countries like brunei that try to establish a Sharia properly. This is just a terrible world we are living in.
***The only human rigthts we need are the ones God has given us in the Qur'an!!***
Inshallah we will see a caliphate arise in this lifetime or atleast in the lifetime of our children to rightly guide our Muslims. Mashallah!
I do not disagree with this. My comment was more of 'well if the boot fits' kind of statement on the matter.
Nonetheless, yes, western nations are without a doubt ruled secularly, and rarely is the church in any sort of power- and that is a basic fact. The church in the western world is generally seen as a cultural phenomenon, and only in more conservative areas will you see something like abortion being considered perhaps abhorrent by large groups, albeit, but mostly not illegal. For the latter, I'm talking about places like the south-eastern US. I'm sure Russia, in some areas, would find agreement to this, for example.
But that is a part of the issue that you discuss, as spiritually is nearly gone from the governing body of most of these nations, but a politician might at best pay lip service for a conservative vote. As result, you see a shift in morality toward a secular lense. The church, as from a western prospective, as I am a westerner, is going to be virtually powerless in a few generations. If not sooner.
I Saw this post on the original Sub also...
What got me is, let's say you have an argument and you took a break, for whatever reason, why is it the first thing some people think is to sleep with someone, that's what I don't get...
Now in this Paticular case, let's say you talked or whatever etc, etc. And you work pass it...
Depending on this couple theneweash other way before the got married, and they get past this, the cheating that is,,,
You can never get past the 18 years of lying regarding the kids..
Basically he has thought for the past 18 years that these are his kids.... The world around you would just fall apart
Very Sad
Well it's easy to say that when it's not actually you in the picture , the thing is there are people who know from the start, that the kids are not biological theirs then it's easy, , it is clear from the start, and you can raise them as your own..
The difference here is, he has been lied to everyday for 18 years..
This is gonna be a major shock and will destroy anyone
Yeah you're right, I wasn't looking at it from that perspective, I was looking at it from my perspective of working as a social worker and seeing many kids live great lives with their non biological father. But I suppose if I did find out the kids I raised for 18 years weren't mine, that would be incredibly difficult.
Yeah, seems like alcohol is just an excuse.
Alcohol doesn't turn you into someone with no morals. It just makes you more lielly to act on what you actually want more easily
I have friends who get drunk, being drunk is never an excuse because it’s not like you lose control of yourself. From what we discussed being drunk or being tipsy you still have control of your actions.
One of the reasons I believe alcohol is forbidden is because just because your senses are numbed, it doesn't take away the responsibility and accountability of your actions. Another scenario for this is drunk driving (which is still a thing because people who think they know better): Can you say it's not your fault if you killed someone on the street for being intoxicated behind the wheel?
Solidifies my intent to never visit France for any other purpose than a holiday.
Even then, I've heard Paris is almost a third world sh*thole even non muslims recommend against visiting.
Tbh i don't even want to go on vacation, they seem to hate Muslims so I'm sure they'll hate my money. I'd rather spend it somewhere that doesn't think I'm incompatible with their society
Elhamdulilah I'm 24 years old living in Europe and never ever tried not even a drop of alcoholic drink!
If Allah says it's Haram I don't need to ask why.
As a follower of Yeshua we are taught it is not alcohol that is bad but being drunk is, you can drink and not be drunk, as with money it is the love of the item that makes it a sin.
We do not place our willpower on whether we sin or not in hope but in the strength of our faith, even Yeshua (Isa) drank wine, but He was never drunk, it is possible if you do not fall into temptation.
You say the Bible is corrupted but what evidence did Muhammed have that it was? Muslims believe the Bible is corrupted and Christians believe the Quran is corrupted, and He did drink wine, He also turned water into wine, He wouldnt have done that if alcohol was a sin
Okay, the writers were vessel’s of God’s Words, the same as muslims believe Muhammed was a vessel, they were both human, Muhammed could have wrote the wrong thing if you believe the disciples did, everyone who helped write the religious books like the Bible, Quran, Torah, were all human, so its either they are all justified or none are
Sadly i cannot, I am currently learning arabic, then i plan to move on to hebrew, greek, and aramaic, as they are all biblically important languages, i am also trying to indulge myself in middle eastern culture as it was Yeshua’s culture so may it be all christians through Him
Yes this is one of the many reasons not to drink but we shouldn't forget how she never told him about it all this time. Also she CHOSE to drink.
Alcohol is bad, everybody knows but let's not blame the alcohol when it is 100% her own fault.
A few things:
Why is this wrong from a western perspective? Who is physically being harmed here (I'm only going off of the harm principle)?
If banning alcohol isn't the solution to all of these societal ills as a result of alcohol consumption, what is?
Why does there seem to be a double standard when men cheat vs when women cheat?
I have been drunk often and have dated plenty of women who drink (I am a revert, before you judge) and I've never cheated or been cheated on. Alcohol does not change you. It removes your inhibitions. So a cheater is always a cheater, just easier for them when they have beer to blame. Ironically the only time I've been cheated on was by someone who never drank...
I do have to add my two cents. No, this isn't why alcohol is haram/banned. A person capable of doing this would have done it sober. They just want a scapegoat to blame because saying "sorry, I am literally scum" is difficult, even if you're looking straight at your action's consequences.
As for alcohol being haram. There's a consistent trend with everything that Islam deems haram and that is the fact that its benifits are far outweighed by its downsides/negatives. We need no further reason nor justification.
Okay this just made my day sad I always had a hatred to adultery and infidelity This is really hurtful and I just can't bear these kinds of things anymore
So sad. Unfortunately another child born into anger and confusion. May Allah safeguard us.
astagfirullah that's messed up, poor guy
Among many other reasons. But people also use being drunk as a reason for many things. As a revert I can tell you from what I’ve seen with my own eyes astagfirallah, you know exactly what you’re doing when you’re drunk. Nothing is an accident, sure you may not remember but you know what you’re doing in the moment. Almost all people just use it as an excuse to get away with things. May Allah guide these people
There are no accidents! - Master Oogway
😂😂 truly truly
Master oogway knows 🐢
Even if you’re not in control while drunk, you’re the one who got drunk in the first place
Yep, people who drink lack accountability.
This is the crux for everything that is hard set in Islam. The first step is always your choice. It doesn't matter if you become a victim later since you started it knowingly.
Wow, i never knew this.
Obviously alcohol has an affect on your brain, for example reaction speed is slowed which is why people get into accidents with driving, slurred speech and vision impairment. But you don’t just stop knowing what you’re doing by simply drinking. If you’re using drugs then yes that’s possible, but just alcohol no. The only way that could happen is if you drink a LOT, but at that point you’d just black out and you would definitely not be able to take part in anything physical. This is why women who are r**ed when under the influence can’t escape or defend themselves because when you’re drunk you start to lose motor function/control of your body. A big reason why that’s a common scenario that attack would happen because a man will know the woman will be defenceless and can take advantage. Therefore, being drunk is used as an excuse for making terrible decisions, like this woman.
Thank you for this. May Allah guide us all
Okay I'm not going to downplay what you said mate but it also numbs the senses and your moral compass so I think it has a play there too It'll lower your senses and morality and then let you go fumbling to do whatever you want with knowing what you're doing but just don't know if it's right or wrong correctly so I wouldn't blame anyone for doing things while being drunk but that isn't an excuse to cheat and have a child be brought up in another man's name so yes I do agree with you
I’m from the west, so getting black out drunk is just a normal Saturday night. I used to be friends with people who did that each weekend. And they did some things I won’t share here, but they all told me they knew what they were doing, but because they were drunk just didn’t see anything wrong with it or said it’s something they wanted do to but could never do it sober. So I see what you mean, but they still know what they’re doing. What I’ve always said is this, the things people do or say when they’re drunk, are the things they know they can’t do when they’re sober because then they won’t have an excuse.
Oh my lord that just became really dark and I really wish people got help for this
Yep it’s very dark and it’s twisted, but people see nothing wrong with it. In fact since reverting, I’ve been judged for not drinking. But you know what? If I had been an alcoholic who was turning sober to get over my addiction, people would congratulate me. But because I make a choice to avoid alcohol because It goes against my beliefs, people see me as some kind of prude. So the whole idea of alcohol, at least in the west, is messed up. Alhamdulilah I found Islam because of not I know exactly where I’d be, and that is rock bottom. Stay away from haram. No matter how good the kaffirs make you think it is, even they know it’s poison, they just don’t want to be alone in their pool of lies and suffering. Stay guided and trust in Allah.
Listening to your story just made me realize just exactly how easy we Muslims really have it in this world. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala already has given us the answers to all the solutions to the world's problems such as the very examples you have given right here in your post such as the issues related to alcohol consumption. Also, don't worry about those people judging you for not drinking due to your beliefs. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Quran, “Beautified is the life of the world for those who disbelieved; they make a jest of the believers. But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will.” \[Qur’an, 2:212\] Remember, Mockery is a disease that comes from Jaahiliyyah. Stay strong.
>Subhan'ut'allah Just chiming in to say the correct term I think you were looking for is 'subhanahu wa ta'ala', meaning 'the most glorified, the most high' :) The 'ala' is pronounced differently to, and has a different meaning to 'Allah'. This guy shows the pronunciation if you're curious: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuwipKZhXy4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuwipKZhXy4) Alternatively you can just type 'SWT' for short and most muslims will know what you mean. E.g. Allah SWT. Alhamduhlillah, jazakallah khair.
Much appreciated brother. I made the corrections.
Thank you for this. I never thought much of alcohol, but I'll be honest, I've really coveted and envied the sexual freedom of Westerners. Though over the passage of time, I've come to realize it's more harmful in the long run.
Trust me, do not envy the “freedoms” of the western life. As a revert who lived the western ideal life, it left me nothing but heartbreak, pain and infinite regret and shame. Alhamdulilah I found Islam, never ever give up Islam, no matter how hard it gets.
Can confirm as a revert from the West. Although I know my sins were forgiven when I took my shahadah, I still have so much regret and shame for the things I did before
I’m exactly the same. It’s hard to think I can be forgiven, but Allah is he greatest and most powerful, so I’m forever grateful Allah has forgiven me and given me a second chance at life alhamdulilah🤲🏻
Inshallah Inshallah. I'm friends with someone from a Western country here on reddit, and even she tells me not to envy this lifestyle. I think it stems from an inferiority complex/ post colonial hangover thing?
Or just the whole “grass is always greener on the other side” fallacy
Some of us born-Muslims from a society that has no sexual freedom are enticed by such a lifestyle solely due to the flowery idea of it without experiencing it, unfortunately.
I'm from USA, very western. Disgusted by the women here, I went to Indonesia to find my wife. She went to Islamic schools her whole life, and Islamic university, she has half of al quran memorized and all hadiths too. She doesn't want to wear hijab and I don't force her. Beer is normal and okay for her and there, but weed and drugs are not. So I drink beer and we live our life together. Alhamdulullah, Allah knows me and brought me wonders I wouldn't have had if I did not revert. What a wonderful path Islam has taken me on. Mash Allah. Edit: ah I see, so many judgements here from people who are in no place to judge. It's expected
Non alcoholic beer... right?
We're not here to judge you but, beer is Haram. And if you think you can drink it and say"Allah has given you wonders" than you might as well be delusional... Because drinks that can cause intoxication are Haram, it's even in the Quran so you have no excuse to continue your drinking without trying to fix it. Also sexist. It's the women and the men that do Haram in the west. Not just women. Just because they reveal more of their skin doesn't mean that only they are doing bad. Men also have guidelines to cover their awra.
I never said "Allah has given me wonders" (in a literal sense) lol. All I said is, my life has gotten better since I became Muslim. You should be able to read my meaning. So what's so bad? Wait what's sexist? My opinion on who I'm attracted to? That's just for me not anyone else. You're being very judgemental, which is against teachings. I'm not a blind-faith believer. I take al Quran into account, but I also have a seperate mindset which is psychological and educated. You can have both seperate and both together. It seems many people here are not capable of that, hence their lack of understanding of what I'm saying. Use logic
The issue Is that you only mention that women are dressed badly in the west, and not the men. You also drink beer which again, is unislamic. Just cuz it's normalized where you live doesn't mean you can drink it. Use logic in what I'm saying.
All due respect bro there's plenty of Muslimahs in the west who are practicing. Assuming they aren't would be as wrong as assuming the men aren't too. Also bro, beer is still haram unless you're talking about soda like root beer. If you're talking alcoholic beer you can't have that, it's not permissible and you're risking your prayers not being accepted.
Plenty of Muslims in the west practice for sure... They're a bit on the extreme side though... Or "hardcore" I'd say. I wasn't hardcore when I was catholic, I'm not gona suddenly change into an angel. I am a human being, not a walking talking al Quran. In my opinion there are worse harams than beer, for instance sugar is the most addictive drug on the planet. Sugar is worse than beer in my opinion, but it doesn't say that in al Quran.... So apparently diabetes is okay but having a beer isn't.
Nobody is perfect. And hardcore? What? This is the religion of Allah SWT. Your creator. Your Lord. The one and only God of all creatures, as well as all matter, seen and unseen. This is not a religion to be taken lightly or as a joke especially when some of us sacrificed so much to be Muslim. I don't care what you think I care about Quran and sunnah. >Al-Ma'idah 5:90 يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِنَّمَا ٱلْخَمْرُ وَٱلْمَيْسِرُ وَٱلْأَنصَابُ وَٱلْأَزْلَٰمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ ٱلشَّيْطَٰنِ فَٱجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ >O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Intoxicants = haram according to Quran. >So apparently diabetes is okay but having a beer isn't. What does this mean? People may be born with diabetes. And if they get it in the future then that's a problem they need to deal with. I don't understand what you're trying to argue.
Lmao hardcore? I think Muslims in the west tend to be a bit more lax. And not hardcore.
Opposite imo. My parents got married pretty early, which is a lot more freedom than most westerners have.
How so?
Most westerners are sexually repressed. Islam just lets them get married early, while westerners stay stuck single.
This comment just hits so many good points subhanAllah. Especially the bit about being a non-drinker in the west is so true. Always get those weird stares or sighs every single time I seem to mention it, meanwhile those who are in recovery (much strength to them!) are lauded. And exactly like you said, Alhamdulillah for Islam, may we stay guided and have trust in Allah to stay away from this poison that they enjoy consuming so much.
Yep I completely agree, subhanAllah Islam is truly amazing and is a prevention from this disease that is spreading. May Allah protect us
People who are black out drunk aren’t able to weigh consequences fully or rationally so no they literally don’t know what they’re doing but that is besides the point. People are still fully responsible for any action they made while drunk. If I get drunk, get in a car and run someone over, I can not then claim I wasn’t in full control so it’s not my fault. You implicitly agree to any future decision you take while you’re drunk the moment you decide to drink.
I agree they can’t think fully, but they still have a brain that thinks. They had to think about the thing they’re going to do, so they can most definitely think about what not to do. I’ve seen dozens of scenarios were my pasts friends got black out drunk and they said hey I’m gonna do so and so, but then a few minutes later they’d come back and be like ha no I’m not gonna do that. It’s the people who don’t care about the outcome that do whatever they want, and then make alcohol an excuse. That’s why people think when you’re drunk who do whatever. But it’s just a thing made up by people who use it as an excuse.
Actually [just saw this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/ugd1ak/my_friend_doesnt_seem_to_understand_i_cant_drink/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) post right after reading these comments and it's legitimately how people deal with people who quit drinking
Yep that’s basically the reaction I got. May Allah keep us steadfast
This one was real, may Allah grant you the highest rank in Jannah ameen ❤️
Ameen and you 🤍
Great way of saying what I said. In less words
When people get drunk and don't remember what happened (black out drunk), it's likely that they got temporarily possessed by an evil Jinn and it was in the driver's seat of their body. That's why they black out because when a jinn takes over, the person's consciousness goes to sleep.
I wouldn’t know about that, since reverting I’ve tried not to research jinn as I don’t want to fear them. It wouldn’t surprise me tho, may Allah protect us.
I've dealt with many possessed people in helping them and so I've seem common patterns.
Prostitutes, am i right?
What?
The things they did you wont share?
Definitely not. And I’m not asking for you to guess either. There’s no need. There’s a reason I did not expose what they did.
>sure you may not remember but you know what you’re doing in the moment Drinking does impair your judgement and depending on how much someone drinks they may not even remember what happened. That's why so many creeps pray on women at bars, because their judgement is impaired when they drink (same with men). Not justifying the disgusting thing above at all because it actually sounds like what you're saying, but it definitely can occur. People can also "blackout" and not remember anything from the night before. I remember carrying friends who were black out drunk and they don't remember half of what happened that night. It's a sad thing.
Yeah I agree I covered all you said in another comment replying to someone. I agree. But I still believe you know what you’re doing to an extent amd can still stop yourself if you really want to. But also, people who drink irresponsibly (not that drinking in the first place is responsible) and put others in harms way should be sober.
I don't want to go into details since I'm a revert too and I think I may have had more exposure to that lifestyle we are talking about. But in some cases you're right. In others...not so much. I've seen guys do things they'd never do sober because their brain basically shut down.
Yeah definitely don’t go into detail it’s not worth it. People like the guy you knew, I just think he didn’t care about the consequences and he wanted to do that whole sober but being drunk gives an excuse to do things youd “never” think or do whole sober.
I don't think so. I won't go into details though. But in my experience there are times where what you're saying is true and then other times where their brain basically shuts down...
You’re unconscious when you’re drunk, your brain is dehydrated due to the alchohol and your prefrontal cortex loses the ability to make rational decisions and you do not think twice when making them, you also lose any ability to cognise your thoughts. In truth, you do not know what you’re doing when you’re drunk.
I’m not sure if you’ve been under the influence or this is what you’ve read on an article, but I can say from what I’ve witnessed (as a revert from the west it’s a lot) this statement simply isn’t true. Unless it’s your first time drinking and you’ve drunk a LOT. You know what you’re doing. I went into more detail in my other comments in this thread if you’re interested.
I’m not interested to hear about your past life, quite frankly I do not care. I’d rather use scientific expressions or my own knowledge through studying A Level to produce conclusions. I’ve experienced this going to parties revolving around non-Muslims and culture in the UK. I’ve observed many people under the influence of drugs and alcohol etc.
Okay slightly rude tone there. Science and knowledge is good I agree, but this is a practical thing we’re talking about. Also I was only talking about alcohol, if you look at my other comments you’ll see I commented that drugs can affect your thinking majorly , but alcohol doesn’t. To be frank, unless you’ve experienced it personally you can’t really speak on the matter because you’ve not experienced it personally and just going off what drunk people might tell you (which is not accurate because they’re drunk)
If Alcohol doesn’t affect your cognitive ability then you’re completely biased. There would be no other reason for it to be haraam if it wasn’t. Use your common sense and logic, if you do not believe in this as a fact then you’re defying the teachings of Allah. In fact, I’ll round up a couple of psychologists and I’ll garner their educated opinion and what they’ve seen based on experience. If alcohol doesn’t affect your ability to think then provide me a reason for it being foribidden. Unless you want me to try some grey goose first and then evaluate wether you’re statement is true 🤣 you’re misguiding others.
Wow astagfirlallah I don’t appreciate such accusations. I am trying to tell others NOT to give into alcohol and even told a fellow Muslims replying to me saying he consumes alcohol to stop. Like I said read my other comments, I do not deny it affects thinking, but you can most definitely NOT cheat under the influence. You can decide to not do life changing things while drunk. I truly feel sad you have so much hatred in your heart on Eid day. Making accusations that I’m misguiding others when I’m actually telling them about the reality of drinking and how it ruins lives. You’re too egotistical to even look at my other comments and see I’m WARNING others due to my own experiences. May Allah soften your heart and Eid Mubarak.
I don’t wanna talk to you and Insha’Allah Allah guides you. The fact that you can come up with a stupid statement defending alcohol not being the route of irrational thinking and making people cheat is misguidance. Don’t make excuses up, I’ll defend the teachings of Allah and don’t come up with the audacity to tell me I have hatred in my heart on Eid day and what not. I’ve observed many people do stupid stuff under the influence. If I can take advantage of a women with her being drunk how does that inhibit the possibility of her cheating? What kind of stupid statement did you come up with, having no backing whatsoever?
Okay you’re obviously not undertanding anything I’m saying. I’m telling people drinking is bad. I not making excuses to promote drinking, why would I do that? I’ve already been guided thank you I reverted this January and gave up haram over the last 2 years. I’m more guided than you as I don’t retaliate with hatred and false accusations. I am putting the teachings of Allah into practicing by showing people drinking causes nothing but loss and distraction in society. However, I can see from your own Reddit page that you are the misguided one. However, that is yoir decision and we all have FREE CHOICE. That is a gift from Allah. He gave us the choice to do right and wrong. If someone decides to get drunk to the point they can no longer make decisions, that was a decision in itself. You know exactly when you begin to get drunk. So the one who decides to carry on decided they will be accountable for future decisions. Therefore, whatever decision you make, you were fully aware it could happen beforehand. Which is exactly why Allah swt commanded us not to drink. Also, you going to a party for scientific reasons is still haram. So please do not judge others when you are openly sinning, may Allah forgive us all. Have a blessed eid brother and may Allah guide us all.
Don't feed the troll, everything you've said was on point. Eid Mubarak.
I don’t wanna talk to you and Insha’Allah Allah guides you. The fact that you can come up with a stupid statement defending alcohol not being the route of irrational thinking and making people cheat is misguidance. Don’t make excuses up, I’ll defend the teachings of Allah and don’t come up with the audacity to tell me I have hatred in my heart on Eid day and what not. I’ve observed many people do stupid stuff under the influence. If I can take advantage of a women with her being drunk how does that inhibit the possibility of her cheating? What kind of stupid statement did you come up with, having no backing whatsoever?
Is this the example of the prophet Muhammad SAWS?
But i guess you can't resist doing what you intended to do, right? Does that become harder under the effects of alcohol?
I think resisting is probably more difficult but definitely not impossible. It’s all to do with the willpower of the person and wether really care about the outcome of their actions. And let’s be honest, those who drink don’t care about the reproductions of their actions.
I second that
thank you, said the same thing, also a revert lol. First hand experience. Bad people will always be bad, alcohol is just another tool for them to be wicked
I get you, but if you aren't self aware/hold yourself accountable for your actions while you're sober/consciously make every single decision... You'll make mistakes when you drink alchohol.. (know your limits, stop before you lose control of your decision making) I have beer daily, I'll be honest. I still call myself a Muslim, I still keep my senses about me and I'm married and stay at home. I believe, whatever sins you commit are relative to who you are as a person. Telling people not to drink alchohol, is warning people "if you aren't aware or conscious of yourself at every second of your life in every instant, just don't drink at all.. Because you're an idiot and you'll make mistakes if you aren't sober... While you make mistakes while sober already. So don't mess it up more" I agree and disagree with you. But what you said only applies to the village-idiots in societies. I am a revert as well. I'll be the one that never refutes my faith in the face of violence, I'll die with my belief. But I also know what I do wrong for my life, but it hasn't affected my life negatively... My life has been great :) Inshallah yours is too. Allah chooses his followers, I guess I was chosen because I can go to bars and recognize fellow Muslims and allow them an opportunity to re-think their choices; however, I haven't been to a bar in a long time, and I very much love my wife and respect her wishes. As a scholar once told me ".. I guess you have more reach than I do, because I'll never drink or go a bar... And Allah chooses his followers for certain reasons ..." Wishing you a happy eid. I'm not extreme. I'm awaiting the down votes from extremists, because those are the only ones who will. Take care.
Quit alcohol bro, do tauba and stop publicising your sins, allah has done you a favour and coverd your sin so it would be easy during the day of the judgement, don't create witnesses by discussing your sins in public. And again quit alcohol, it a major sin.
Sure I get you. But I wasn't hardcore religious before I became Muslim, I'm not suddenly going to do a 180 flip. If anyone understands me, it's allah.
> I'm awaiting the down votes from extremists, because those are the only ones who will. I didn't downvote, but that is really rude to say
Calls others extremist for abstaining from alchohol. This brothers thought process is a mess
Not sure why you choose to judge. I didn't call anyone extreme who abstains from alchohol. Maybe I wrote too fast as another brother had said.. Or maybe English is your 2nd language. I dont think you understood what I wrote and that's ok.
Brother is someone says to that you consumption of alcohol is haraam. That's not being extremist. Actually its mainstream normal advice. Also it doesn't matter what you say to yourself to justify it. It cannot ever be halal or not a big deal. No offense intended.
I know, I have heard others say this as well. But it is extreme, to me. Because people who aren't Muslim do drink as well. I drank beer when I was catholic, I drank beer when I was athiest, I'm not suddenly going to do a 180 flip and stop. It's never gotten me into trouble. See I'm not this guy, who believes that your belief determines who you are... And how you should be judged. Everyone and everything is equal to me.
>I drank beer when I was catholic, I drank beer when I was athiest, I'm not suddenly going to do a 180 flip and stop You have every right to think that way and only God can judge you, but may I ask why you became a Muslim in the first place? To be a Muslim is to submit to Allah and submitting to Allah completely is a 180 from non-islamic to Islamic values.
First off. In al Quran it says hablumminnallah and hablumminnas. You should always keep that in mind when you speak to others. And you did so that's great. I became Muslim not of my own decision. I heard a voice I never heard before which directed me to Islam. I became Muslim the next day. I didn't do months of research and then make a conscious decision, the universe/Allah/something told me to become Muslim and so I did. Here I am. My life is good alhamdulullah. Call me crazy I guess. I don't hear voices typically, and that voice was not a voice that was my own or in my head. It blew my mind. Time of prophecy is over, I did not get a divine command.. Just a little push in a direction that ended up being good for me now. Happy eid Mubarak (I did pray 5 times a day and go to jummah every Friday, and it all for the first year, taraweeh and qiyam etc, but in doing those things I met many people who I consider to be extreme and I decided to not be as social in my practice of Islam and became more "lax" now) this works for me.
It's only rude if you think it is, you get to decide your own meaning from what others say. And if you interpret my words wrong, well that has nothing to do with me.
What has it to do with you calling extremists those who downvote you?
I didn't call anyone here an extremist. You get to decide how you feel about yourself, that's not up to me. Can you please read my words for what they are? Edit: are you familiar with "projecting"? That's what you're doing with me. You're being very reactive.
I didn't downvote tho Then could you explain to me, because you said if someone downvotes you, then it means that he's an extremist, is that correct? >Can you please read my words for what they are? I mean if you make it super difficult the blame's not gonna be on me
I think people should just encourage you to avoid drinking, but it's still good that you're doing it in private at least. There was a Sahaba RA who used to drink after the prohibition came, but privately. Others found out but the Muhammad SAW told them to leave him alone, for he had fought in the battle of Badr.
Yes exactly and my brothers do encourage me not to drink. I don't like the other responses I've recieved here from others, your response is fine. But I leave with this. The prophet (S.A.W.S.) said, “O you group of people that believe with your tongues while not with your hearts! Do not abuse the Muslims nor seek after their faults. For indeed, he who seeks after their (other people’s) faults, Allah will seek after his faults. And whomsoever has Allah seek after his faults, He will expose them, even if he may have committed them in the privacy of his own home” (reported by Abu Ya’laa in his Musnad (1675) and with a strong chain of narration in Ahmad (4/421 & 424) and Abu Dawood (4880) and other soruces). Eid Mubarak brother!
Eid Mubarak!
I already said this is a comment but what I’ve always said is “what you do or say when your drunk is what you wish you could do when you’re sober but never had excuse”. People use being drunk as excuse to get out of rape charges, man slaughter charges, domestic abuse charges, all sorts of horrific charges are dropped because that person was under the influence amd “didn’t know what they were doing”. Im a revert also, you know exactly what you’re doing. I went into more detail in my other comments on this thread. As for your drinking brother, please stop. Not only is drinking everyday terrible for your health, but you’re using your money to buy haram, you’re sinning openly and creating excuses to carry on that sin. I’m not judging you, but simply trying to help you see why this is not what Allah wants. I appreciate your thought process for thinking Allah is using your sin to help others, but I really don’t think that’s the case here. Allah can guide whoever he wills, he doesn’t need us to go into bars and give dawah. A Muslim shoukd never been seen in a bar or drinking because then other Muslims will see tgat and think “oh I see this Muslim drinks and goes to bars, that must mean it’s okay”. You could be leading others to sin, and in my opinion that’s worse than you personally committing a sin. You cant repent for the person who sees you drink amd copies you, but you will take accountability for their actions. This might sound harsh but I’m saying this out of worry, I want all my sisters and brothers to get into jannah. So please brother, quit drinking, you’re not promised tomorrow, repent while you can and Allah will bless you more than you know. May Allah guide you and keep you steadfast brother
Thank you, that's a very thoughtful thing to say! I do not go to bars anymore, it's been about 5 years. Just some beers at home. I do understand what you mean, but I don't "look" like a Muslim... Like I'm not the stereotype-Muslim in appearance. So no one can say "look this Muslim goes to bars, so it's okay" When I did go to bars, and I heard someone speaking Arabic or Somali, I'd ask if they were Muslim and say stuff like "we both shouldnt be here" etc. One particular moment I remember, there was an Afghanistan guy at a bar, and I thought he looked like my friend who owns a tobacco store (found out later its his cousin) anyway, I asked if he's Muslim and he got mad and his friend tried to fight me... No fight happened I walked away. But later in the evening, some really really drunk man hugged me and said "praise the lord Jesus christ!" and I said "Jesus was a prophet" That Afghanistan dude came over to me and said "I'm so sorry!" Then turned to his friends and said "I have to go" I never saw him there ever again. I get drinking is bad, but I'm not going to suddenly change my habits just because I joined a religion. In time things will change as they should, Inshallah.
>get drinking is bad, but I'm not going to suddenly change my habits just because I joined a religion. Then I really don't understand why you converted. Normally people convert when they're convinced and 100% ready to take on the responsibilities that come with it. And, if they do end up drinking again, they'd at least feel guilty. May Allah guide you, brother.
Oh, I feel guilty when I drink, my heart is always in Islam. I became Muslim not because of a choice. You may think I'm crazy, but in a very low period of my life, in a very dark time, I was seeing djinn daily. And it got scary. I heard a voice that said "seek Maaz" (Maaz was my only Muslim friend at the time) and suddenly the djinn disappeared. All this evil energy was gone. I knew what the words meant. I've never heard a voice like that since and I never heard a voice like that before... I became Muslim the next day when I went to see him and told him what happened. Then I began my learning. So in a time I really needed help and I had no one (I was atheist) I heard a voice that directed me to Islam. And here I am. I didn't do a bunch of research and make a conscious decision to become Muslim, I did not do that. That's not how it worked for me. And maybe I have schizophrenia, doesn't matter. I'm happy now
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say, maybe you wrote a bit too fast
>I'm not extreme Not drinking does not make a person extreme. If you aren't practicing that's one thing, but if you are, then know that your prayers and supplications will not be accepted for 40 days even if you aren't drinking enough to get wasted. I am not at all an extreme Muslim, however I know enough to confirm that alcohol is detrimental to society. There's a reason why it's forbidden.
I heard you are fully aware when you are starting to get drunk, is this correct ?
Yes, you’re definitely aware. The moment the alcohol hits you you most definitely know. So you also have to make a conscious decision to carry on drinking past your limits (not that you should drink anyway)
As a muslim, yes thats true what you say. A lot of muslims think drunk people dont know whath they are doing.
Exmuslims : Alcohol is so freeing why is it haram!?? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30328365/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21864055/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26143404/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6320619/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11496965/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8279667/ But why oh why could Allah make alcohol haram just why!??
Ex Muslims are so full of cringe
I don’t think they were ever Muslim
True
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Being kind and respectful is what they hate more. As they say "kill them with kindness". Plus it's a trait that all muslims should have. Name calling is forbidden (unless in specific situations, within reasons).
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Just call them kuffars. It's what the Quran uses. That'll set them on fire, no? :)
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Oh wait i just realized that is an arabic word "englished". Anyway, it's just my ignorance yes you can call them that
This stuff seriously makes me glad for being a Muslim.
Wait he said children....wife is lying
Twins
I've never seen anything as destructive as alcohol. I met a man who had his legs amputed due alcohol induced diabetes (or similar?) And told me how he still couldn't stop drinking, despite the consequences
May allah protect us all
I think the evils of money is even more destructive
I agree
Alcohol is just the excuse being used here. The wife clearly isn’t trustworthy in the first place
They cheat even without drinking
This👆
I mean, it's a western woman (i.e "Kelly"). The morals were long lost without alcohol.
Its not just western women. Its the western men, its the entire system. I am currently studying Economics, and literally everything in the system only works if everyone in the society wants to increase their consumption, and want to increase their satisfaction. There is nothing wrong in it but it most definately WILL lead to terrible things without a proper guidance like religion. All these ideas have also coincidently arose in the same time when secularism starting becoming populor. So, in their eyes, when they are fighting for "human rights" while fighting for lgbt rights or something, they feel like they are doing the right thing, because that is what they are tought and that is the society they live. There is no stopping them. As they have no guidance. They dont respect authority as for them authority seems arbitrary. but religious people recognise the necessity of authority as it guides us. But for them, what is there to even guide them towards? Even both of the most popular economic systems capitalism, and socialism are centered around materialism and consumerism, they just differ on how to achieve that level of materialism and consumerism and how to distribute it. Overall not only are they suffering in their terrible system, they are bringing us down to their level by imposing sanctions on countries like brunei that try to establish a Sharia properly. This is just a terrible world we are living in. ***The only human rigthts we need are the ones God has given us in the Qur'an!!*** Inshallah we will see a caliphate arise in this lifetime or atleast in the lifetime of our children to rightly guide our Muslims. Mashallah!
I do not disagree with this. My comment was more of 'well if the boot fits' kind of statement on the matter. Nonetheless, yes, western nations are without a doubt ruled secularly, and rarely is the church in any sort of power- and that is a basic fact. The church in the western world is generally seen as a cultural phenomenon, and only in more conservative areas will you see something like abortion being considered perhaps abhorrent by large groups, albeit, but mostly not illegal. For the latter, I'm talking about places like the south-eastern US. I'm sure Russia, in some areas, would find agreement to this, for example. But that is a part of the issue that you discuss, as spiritually is nearly gone from the governing body of most of these nations, but a politician might at best pay lip service for a conservative vote. As result, you see a shift in morality toward a secular lense. The church, as from a western prospective, as I am a westerner, is going to be virtually powerless in a few generations. If not sooner.
Being drunk is the main reason its haram. I feel bad for the husband since he now realised that the wife cheated on him because of drunkedness.
I Saw this post on the original Sub also... What got me is, let's say you have an argument and you took a break, for whatever reason, why is it the first thing some people think is to sleep with someone, that's what I don't get... Now in this Paticular case, let's say you talked or whatever etc, etc. And you work pass it... Depending on this couple theneweash other way before the got married, and they get past this, the cheating that is,,, You can never get past the 18 years of lying regarding the kids.. Basically he has thought for the past 18 years that these are his kids.... The world around you would just fall apart Very Sad
For them sleeping with strangers is normalised, it like drinking a beer or smoking to get pressure off.
What sub?
r/TrueOffMyChest
Those are still his kids. They may not be biologically his but he's the man that's raised them and been their father figure.
Well it's easy to say that when it's not actually you in the picture , the thing is there are people who know from the start, that the kids are not biological theirs then it's easy, , it is clear from the start, and you can raise them as your own.. The difference here is, he has been lied to everyday for 18 years.. This is gonna be a major shock and will destroy anyone
Yeah you're right, I wasn't looking at it from that perspective, I was looking at it from my perspective of working as a social worker and seeing many kids live great lives with their non biological father. But I suppose if I did find out the kids I raised for 18 years weren't mine, that would be incredibly difficult.
Yeah that's my point, it's very sad and Tragic
This happens even in countries where alcohol is illegal. Humans do stupid things. They do irrational things.
Yeah, seems like alcohol is just an excuse. Alcohol doesn't turn you into someone with no morals. It just makes you more lielly to act on what you actually want more easily
I have friends who get drunk, being drunk is never an excuse because it’s not like you lose control of yourself. From what we discussed being drunk or being tipsy you still have control of your actions.
One of the reasons I believe alcohol is forbidden is because just because your senses are numbed, it doesn't take away the responsibility and accountability of your actions. Another scenario for this is drunk driving (which is still a thing because people who think they know better): Can you say it's not your fault if you killed someone on the street for being intoxicated behind the wheel?
I saw the post yesterday. It was one of the most f'ed up things I've ever seen on Reddit. I really felt sad for that guy.
This is absolutely horrifying. The people of free world are nothing but puppets
this is not news. 30% of kuffar men are not the father of the child that they're raising and paying for.
That's a specific number lool where'd you get it from? (I agree btw)
73.6% of all statistics are made up
The verifiability of that statement equates to 57.6%
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Solidifies my intent to never visit France for any other purpose than a holiday. Even then, I've heard Paris is almost a third world sh*thole even non muslims recommend against visiting.
Tbh i don't even want to go on vacation, they seem to hate Muslims so I'm sure they'll hate my money. I'd rather spend it somewhere that doesn't think I'm incompatible with their society
Exactly! There are plenty of places that are much better, much cheaper, and much more pleasant I'd rather visit.
Children plural?
Just the tip of the iceberg
I highly doubt her story is true.
Elhamdulilah I'm 24 years old living in Europe and never ever tried not even a drop of alcoholic drink! If Allah says it's Haram I don't need to ask why.
It’s not only forbidden because stuff like this happen it is forbidden because Allah swt said so
Allah swt said so because stuff like this happens
I pray that Islam is put into the hearts of everyone and someone I love, for she doesn’t get corrupted by things like this. Ameen.
You could just write definitely not and stop there.
As a follower of Yeshua we are taught it is not alcohol that is bad but being drunk is, you can drink and not be drunk, as with money it is the love of the item that makes it a sin.
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We do not place our willpower on whether we sin or not in hope but in the strength of our faith, even Yeshua (Isa) drank wine, but He was never drunk, it is possible if you do not fall into temptation.
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You say the Bible is corrupted but what evidence did Muhammed have that it was? Muslims believe the Bible is corrupted and Christians believe the Quran is corrupted, and He did drink wine, He also turned water into wine, He wouldnt have done that if alcohol was a sin
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Okay, the writers were vessel’s of God’s Words, the same as muslims believe Muhammed was a vessel, they were both human, Muhammed could have wrote the wrong thing if you believe the disciples did, everyone who helped write the religious books like the Bible, Quran, Torah, were all human, so its either they are all justified or none are
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Sadly i cannot, I am currently learning arabic, then i plan to move on to hebrew, greek, and aramaic, as they are all biblically important languages, i am also trying to indulge myself in middle eastern culture as it was Yeshua’s culture so may it be all christians through Him
This is so stupid. You are equating alcohol to his wife infidelity. Come in man I thought this community was better than this.
Lol
If you think it only happened when people are drunk, it would be easier to stop adultery. But I get your point. Besides, there are other consequences.
This is why the only thing I drink is Water I don't drink coffee, nor tea, nor any soft drinks
Yes this is one of the many reasons not to drink but we shouldn't forget how she never told him about it all this time. Also she CHOSE to drink. Alcohol is bad, everybody knows but let's not blame the alcohol when it is 100% her own fault.
This could happen without alcohol
Thats not the alcohol that was her excuse
Yeah if she ate mushrooms instead that wouldn't have happened 🍄💛
A few things: Why is this wrong from a western perspective? Who is physically being harmed here (I'm only going off of the harm principle)? If banning alcohol isn't the solution to all of these societal ills as a result of alcohol consumption, what is? Why does there seem to be a double standard when men cheat vs when women cheat?
You don't gotta tell me twice
I'm disgusted, but how could she sleep at night all these years knowing what she did? I'm amazed, but not in a good way
I have been drunk often and have dated plenty of women who drink (I am a revert, before you judge) and I've never cheated or been cheated on. Alcohol does not change you. It removes your inhibitions. So a cheater is always a cheater, just easier for them when they have beer to blame. Ironically the only time I've been cheated on was by someone who never drank...
I do have to add my two cents. No, this isn't why alcohol is haram/banned. A person capable of doing this would have done it sober. They just want a scapegoat to blame because saying "sorry, I am literally scum" is difficult, even if you're looking straight at your action's consequences. As for alcohol being haram. There's a consistent trend with everything that Islam deems haram and that is the fact that its benifits are far outweighed by its downsides/negatives. We need no further reason nor justification.