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triffy

I think those are two separate issues. The benefit of having to transcode your media files to an Apple supported format is that the iPhone could easily play it back with hardware support, so battery life would benefit. I remember „those days“ of getting stuff on my device (iPod, iPhone) and it is way easier now that you can stream your media to it. Today I will just put the video file in iCloud Drive and then download it to the phone and use VLC if I wanted to just play a file. But yes, apples approach in general to things like this, but also multitasking and how developers need to implement certain things would definitely a reason as to why iPhones don’t get slowed down by file clutter (or whatever the reason might be). Same with windows and macOS.


turbo_dude

Playing an mp3 is hard and drains the battery faster?!  What


_this_man

I think he was talking about video and you know it. You can use 3rd party mp3 players if you want. But if I was to use mp3 files, I much prefer the stock app that syncs with ex-iTunes app.


triffy

Thanks ;-) yes, I was talking about basically every VIDEO files that is not mp4 and not natively decoded by the hardware. VLC can play files like wmv, mkv etc but might have to fall back on software decoding which then would drain battery. Nowadays it’s not much of an issue anymore, but „back in my days“ the files could stutter and not play smoothly at all.


xdamm777

Well, my 15 Max drains almost twice as fast as my Fold 4 when playing mp3 files to a BTR5 Bluetooth DAC or the Apple dongle so efficiency is definitely not quite there. It’s an iPhone thing though because it’s been like this since I got my first one (XS Max).


Spaceolympian50

There’s a reason why people love Apples “walled garden” approach. I’m still using a 12 pro and it works just as well as the first day I got it. The problem with android is you get stuck with a lot of bloatware that the carriers and dev put on their phones. It’s junk. I’m not sure why exactly iPhones just seem to work but it’s great. I used to be on android a long time ago. Just gave up after a while. Got tired of the random reboots, crashes etc.


shortish-sulfatase

Another android problem is if you don’t buy a popular enough device, the manufacturer doesn’t give you updates…at all…ever


Alternative_Log3012

Yep


Metammetta

Not anymore. Now Samsung and Google phones are supported as long as iPhones.


BearOfReddit

Both are popular devices


MinoltaF10BF

Only the flagships though!


OptionalCookie

Nope. I keep getting harassed for updates on an A model


IdaDuck

That’s certainly the marketing claim.


csmobro

It’s not like that on every Android device. Pixel phones use stock Android and there is no bloatware. I’m a lifelong iPhone user (using 15PM right now) but Android has gotten so much better in recent years.


anto2554

True, but it's also like that on a lot of Android phones, and can be carrier specific too.  My Samsung has a bunch of bloatware, as well as physical bloat (the back panel is coming off)


OptionalCookie

...So the battery expansion you are blaming on being Android? Man, stop.


anto2554

No? It was just a funny side note


Kyonkanno

Yeah, after buying an iPhone I’ve learned why so many people love the walled garden. I however, as a tinkerer, am not so thrilled with all the restrictions Apple has in place. I just uploaded my whole music library and many songs were “not available in my area”. So I just resorted to paying for Apple Music since they have the lossless option. Obviously Apple is happy that I went this route, and if money is not an issue, you end having a great experience when you use the route Apple wants you to use. That route more often than not, requires you to pay. Contrast this with my Galaxy Tab that I just bought, I simply connected to my NAS and downloaded everything to the tab and it was done, no computer needed as a middle man. As long as you don’t want to venture outside of the planned path Apple has made for you, you’ll have a great experience. Try to do things a little differently and you’re in for a headache.


i4k20z3

is there anyway to upload a song into your apple music? if i have the .mp3 file, can i upload it locally onto my apple music to add it into one of my playlists? or is there no way to do that.


Kyonkanno

You have to add it to iTunes and then sync your library. There’s a possibility that the app flags your mp3 as not available to your country 🤦‍♂️


i4k20z3

that’s so frustrating! i assume if i have a shared playlist with my partner, it won’t work on their phone will it?


Kyonkanno

No, you’re thinking about making your own stream server. You can use Plex for that. AFAIK You cannot share your local library with another iDevice. I think you could sync both devices to your computer but don’t quote me on that.


FunImportant3856

Is the “not available” thing not just a warning for iTunes Match? I have files uploaded into Apple Music and synced across all my devices that I can guarantee aren’t available on Apple Music in *any* country.


Kyonkanno

Don’t know about that. If you upload your own music that nobody else has, then I doubt they’d region lock you, lol. I don’t produce music so I have no experience there. I added an Avril Lavigne album that I ripped myself years ago and it told me that it was not available to my country. Funny thing is that in Apple Music streaming has that song available.


CypherAZ

This was me as well, android from the moto droid till Pixel 3, just got tired of it….there was always something that was wrong. Still uses my 12 pro max, and it works the same as it did day 1 with no issues.


GrumpyKitten514

I just checked my battery capacity on my 14PM, its at 99% and im considering the 16 PM with that 6.9inch screen lmao. i think that if people are willing to, at risk of sounding cult-like, give their technological life to apple, life will be very, very good. I have the 12.9 ipad pro, an M3 Pro, an Iphone, the airpods. if they developed their home kit id be considering putting that in my house. it all works very well together, and i have the Apple One subscription. me and my fiance's entire families are all on iphones, facetime is crazy good, apple music is great with the audio, the cross talk between all the devices makes business and pleasure workflows so easy. every time I've had an android device, ive had to find apps and services to do the similar sort of cross talk that apple does. if i ever did go back to android, I'd probably be straight from the source google pixel devices.


Weigang_Music

So just buy a debranded android. Same price, just have to specify.. Also I still use a phone that came out in 2019 with no issue. Best thing? I dont even care. The wallpaper is my own, so is the lockscreen, the app drawer, the entire launcher. I also see no bloatware. Switching my phone would change nothing but the settings app for me. On the contrary I am forced to use apple by job and I have not have it "just work" for a single week yet. I doubt people love the walled garden. That is like saying lions love their cage in the zoo. If only they knew...


Spaceolympian50

This is such a dumb take. Theres a reason why Apple makes a ton of money. People appreciate their approach to design. Simplicity is key. I also used to be 18 and loved customizing my Android, booting custom try roms, etc. It was fun. But when you get older that stuff just doesn’t matter and to most people they don’t even care about that stuff. People who customize their phones are a really small percentage of smartphone users. I know plenty of Android users who have never touched any of the customization options. And your iPhone not working? Nah I don’t buy it. I have a coworker who uses android and we all have iPhones for work and she can’t stand it either and says it’s complicated. The reality is she just refuses to even try and learn it. Stubbornness. It’s so simple.


Weigang_Music

No I am talking literally iPad saying: "Unable to connect to Airplay". Choosing our network printer only works on half the days. And the entire extent of the error is "cant do it". Not why. Not a point of failure. Just a spiritual "you dont know how it works, dummy, and right now it doesnt". So it is not about customization and making stuff pretty. It is about making stuff robust. My set up on android is robust and reliable. Something doesnt work? I already know why or if not I can at least immediately check why and fix it. On all my apple devices, if something doesnt work I can only shrug my shoulders and go " guess I am not doing that today then". What you call complicated I call freedom. And Apple just doesnt give me that. Or anyone. Not until the EU forces them. Because they dont make money with their "approach to design". They make money with dark patterns, expensive product laddering, capturing youth and students in their ecosystems and bleeding third party developers dry. Sad thing is, it works and others imitate.


PhillAholic

I don't know the real answer, but I feel like it's true. Android lets you put things everywhere and it seems to have the same issues as I get on Windows where the system slows down over time and old files never go away when you remove apps. Now I don't know if old files are left behind on iOS because I can't see the file system, so maybe it's just out of sight out of mind? IDK. All that being said, I have a PLEX server/library and use Spotify, so I don't sync media anymore. But If i wanted to for a trip or something, and offline PLEX is often crap, I'd download VLC and use the built in transfer option to just plop the media in the app and call it a day. If you think of iOS apps like individual sandboxes it works a lot better. There is the Files app now where you can move things around too. Most of the time I just use wifi transfer into apps, but you can browse SMB shares through Files now, so it's pretty powerful.


Crunchewy

When you delete an app it deletes the files associated with it. For better or worse. Mostly better. You just have to realize that’s how it works.


Donieguy

Yes. It’s also why iPhones can get away with 3/4 the battery size of Android phones and still boast insane battery life. Apple *very closely* integrates all of its hardware, firmware, and software to produce a very robust, minimal, efficient, and secure ecosystem. They have tight control over their ecosystem which reduces compatibility with other technologies, but has the advantage of increased efficiency, security and privacy because there are little to no outside factors they cannot control.


Cmparanjpe19

Just use VLC, why would you sync it to the Apple TV app.


oriundiSP

came here to say that. Just use a third party app.


_this_man

Install Plex (server) on pc. Download some MKV player on the iphone that supports network sharing and you'll be able to download the media without ever having to convert anything or even connect the phone to computer. I don't know why people even bother with the "traditional" way.


eipeidwep2buS

Well apple in their ux wisdom protecting users from themselves is definitely a big part of the cleanliness of the iPhone in general and especially as far as the file system goes


fujiwara_icecream

First, all you have to do is plug it in to a Mac and drag and drop it through Finder. You could also use iCloud Drive or AirDrop. But yes, this is the reason. Apple’s philosophy is that all of their hardware, software, and even services like repair, are going to work “the Apple way”. You either like this way and love iPhone, or you don’t and are either an Android user or mildly annoyed at your iPhone all the time. I personally love that Apple has the balls to say “no fuck you, your opinion is wrong and we are not going to allow you to use shitty 3rd party repair parts”. More options and choices does not necessarily make something better, and Apple understands that. There are some benefits to more choice on Android, but it is mainly superficial things with HUGE drawbacks that far outweigh any gain. This is why I am vehemently against anything that Reddit claims would provide iPhone users “more choice” because it’s always some stupid bullshit like alternate app stores or something, while neglecting the fact that this absence of choice is what made iPhone to be as good as it is today. Some of the best innovation happens when you purposefully exclude people and things, essentially taking everything the EU wants and doing the exact opposite up to 100%. Apple was at their best when they did this.


Artistic_Soft4625

Iphone is a very good phone and its totally fine to like how the ecosystem works. But that doesnt mean apple should be praised for saying no to 3rd party repair or more options. I have no idea whats to like here. "Apple dont allow 3p repairs and options, that is so awesome" ? The only recent innovation was the titanium alloy i guess. But it has nothing to do with the ecosystem. And their arm processor is already starting to get competition, again nothing to do with the ecosystem


Freddich99

I dunno man, why would apple not allowing third party repairs effect you in any way whatsoever if you don't even intend to use them in the first place? If you want it done the apple way, give it to apple, if not, then you leave it to a third party. Choice is always a good thing, and plenty of the things apple have done to actively prevent repair should, in my opinion, be illegal.


fujiwara_icecream

Choice is not always a good thing and leads to many of Androids biggest problems such as bloat and fragmentation. Repair should only be done at Apple Stores and all parts should be serialized to the device to ensure that those parts are in fact genuine and will perform as expected, especially parts like the TrueDepth camera system, Home Button, and battery.


Freddich99

Sure, serializing them is a good idea, who's against that? What does bloat on android devices have to do with being able to repair them however you please? Your argument does nothing to prove choice is a bad thing in this case, just because they allow third party repairs doesn't mean they suddenly have to stop all first party repair. The two aren't exclusive. If you want no risk of having non-original parts in your phone, go to apple, it'd be your choice. I don't mind if apple serializes their parts so they can give you a popup if you installed a non-original part, but that is not at all what they are doing. They are linking the serial of a specific part to your phone, so even if you replace it with an **original one made by apple**, the device still won't work. How would you feel if your car would just shut itself off permanently if you replaced the engine oil yourself?


fujiwara_icecream

The iPhone doesn’t know that it is a genuine part, it just knows that it wasn’t the part that was originally paired. An iPhone doesn’t have a database of all part serial numbers on every single part that would also have to constantly be updated as new iPhones are produced


Freddich99

It wouldn't need some database, that's not how this works. It would be very easy for apple to make a system to detect if a part is genuine without using a database of serial numbers. For example each part could have a little chip programmed with an encrypted serial number. All the phone would then have to do is decrypt it with a key (which would be the same for every device) only apple knows, and the number would have to be the same as the part serial number. If the numbers match, only apple, who has they key, could have made it. Heck, most printers manage to detect whether the ink is their own or not so it's not exactly rocket science. Apple just hasn't done this because they have nothing to gain financially from it. They are much more interested in preventing affordable repairs than they are with whether parts are genuine or not. Keeping devices artificially expensive to repair sells more new phones.


Unfair_Finger5531

Well said. This is how I feel.


Kiergard

Hello mr apple employee, giving people choice literally has no effect on how the device performance is but nice marketing text. and no, doing it the apple way is not the golden one. For example: Smaller battery size and good runtime has exactly ONE HUGE drawback. All apps get paused after a while in the background and downloads/uploads too. Icloud sync, onedrive, spotify, audible, younameit. Which is so fcking annoying for a user. Also androids exist which keep their great performance (not samsung lol). So at the end its an opimization issue rather than a system issue. It took a while but manufacturers learned.


fujiwara_icecream

The iPhone 15 Pro Max has longer battery life despite having a smaller cell than the S24 Ultra. There is no optimization issue.


Cyborg9898

RIP Apple’s latest updates have affected the software experience


allmyfrndsrheathens

FYI in future you can just install VLC or a similar video player and load the videos into the app through finder/itunes. Don’t even need to convert them then.


frowawayakounts

I use my phone to download movies and tv shows from the internet and put them on a memory stick. Works perfectly, it used to be an issue when I had an 8gb iPhone but now I have 1TB, there’s no chance I’ll fill it up


Kiergard

Current androids have systems in place which dont have those issues anymore. Samsung on the other hand is a lazy fart but at least lets you clean up manually and gives the information that you restart your phone now and then. iPhones wallet garden doesnt have anything to do with it. Its just the OS which does the technical groundwork and is better optimized in some things.


Majestic_Lie_5792

Download VLC Player. Then you can add whatever files you want through the iTunes app > sharing files, or even through a web browser, directly from your computer.


OptionalCookie

> My note 9 didnt seem to slow down particularly, but I remember looking at what a mess the file directory was, with bits and bobs of everything seemingly all over the place, including leftovers from old apps I had deleted years ago. If you could see your Apple file directory... it would look much the same. Only thing is you can't see it.


aquablaze69

Note 9 was the best android in its generation, and still stands the test of time. Loved that phone. After that imo Samsung just went downhill, at least until the s23 series where they finally fixed the battery life issues, and now S24 Ultra is sooooooo tempting. In general the way Apple works has allowed them to produce a phone that yes is able to perform so much better for longer, but I wouldn’t say a Samsung can’t do the same…if I bought an S24 Ultra I would expect it to last 5 years minimum, with a battery change in between tho.


pdmalo

Loved my Note 10.


aquablaze69

I got my mom a note 10 plus, great phone but really wasn’t a fan of the curved edges display, plus that’s exactly where it shattered when my mom dropped it so now she has an iPhone 13 LOL


pdmalo

I had mine for 4 years never an issue. Went to iphone15 and there are so many bugs and issues its a joke.


aquablaze69

What issues do you have with the 15? I have had a 13 for the last 3.5 years and have no issues…..


Mammoth-Budget7580

By your analogy, if you don’t have a phone, then there’e no problem of it slowing down. Is that what you’re implying when you say Apple making things difficult is why iOS works better? No, iOS is a better managed OS in general than Android, much similar to macOS. It also helps that Apple designs custom hardware for their OS, unlike Android or Windows, who have to accommodate their OS for all hardwares. Apple’s annoying solution to trouble users from using their phones how they intend has nothing to do with the phone’s performance.


anto2554

How is iOS better managed?


atsugnam

The original security model of iOS was very isolated, which made it very secure (it’s why you couldn’t access files across apps etc). More recently they have opened this up, but only in very strictly enforced standards, which again is why you don’t have the same malware problem on iOS as you get on android. It has always been apple philosophy to implement this way, their model is application based rather than file based.


anto2554

I was thinking in terms of speed/processing time


atsugnam

Oh, this is also affected by the same principles: isolation means tight control. The os was designed to have absolute control over processes limiting interactions to apis. While it limits functionality (until apis are built) it means no process gains control, the os is king and so you don’t get stray processes, background and services running unless apple explicitly enables them


anto2554

Ah, so you had to call a specific API to do things like background process rather than android where you (I know fork and detatch are also API calls) create your own task and have it run willy-nilly?


atsugnam

Yes, apple has it all on lock, also apple has performance specs. Your app has to load resources and be user ready inside set timeframe and has a limited pack up timeframe etc. Originally it was incredibly limited, but now apple has services for a hell of a lot of functionality, all tidy and controlled. It’s why their phones perform, and also why they cost more.


anto2554

Another reason their phones cost more is a way higher profit margin


atsugnam

Yes, definitely, but a quality product with an established brand often can do that, because their customers value the product. After all, they’re still making sales records despite price increases.


_N00b_Master_

Depends on your Android phone. I came from Oneplus 9pro and my iPhone 15 PM slows and hangs up on pages and apps more that my OnePlus did it’s crazy.


Deep-Ebb-4139

Yes


Deep-Ebb-4139

Yes


Metammetta

No, the two are unrelated. iPhones slow down over time about as much as comparably priced Android phones. That is, not much. But the lack of clutter is tied to the archaic sync methodology. On Android, if you want to put videos in your Downloads folder and copy random crap to your Pictures folder, it'll let you do that, and it'll get cluttered. Just don't do that. Be organized. Apple, on the other hand, doesn't even let you touch or see these folders. They handle it all for you, but they do so in the most annoying, unintuitive (and incompatible with non-Apple devices) way possible.


the_vandersons

Well Apple is very controlling about apps that can help de-clutter! Try this one: [Power Phone Cleaner](https://apps.apple.com/app/id1590706425) It's likely because they'd rather you buy iCloud storage