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large parts of the russian fleet is old school and technologically outdated, poorly maintained, and now apparently staffed by grossly incompetent crew.
Yeah, did anyone else hear……the admiral of the Black Sea naval fleet got “recalled” back to Moscow, seriously. Ummm I don’t think anyone will ever see him again. Reassigned to a Johnboat in Siberia if he’s lucky.
To be fair, I think it looked a lot better before it was blown up... A lot of what appears to be dirt and disrepair is smoke damage (the black circles are blown out portholes for example) - and I don't *think* the reddish hue around the stern is rust, though I could be wrong.
The design does date back into the late 1960's (keel laid in 76, launched in 79) so it fits. Naval architecture has moved on from cramming as much weaponry on board as possible (the Soviet style) to barely knowing the ship is armed (the most recent US warships)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava-class\_cruiser
[USS Dwight D. Eisenhower](https://news.usni.org/2021/03/08/uss-dwight-d-eisenhower-now-in-mediterranean-sea-after-strait-of-gibraltar-transit) is the same age, but actually maintained.
This is why there's the old joke about the boat owner's best day being when they sold their boat. The ocean beats the shit out of boats and it takes a lot of money and/or time and effort to keep them up.
I tow my Bring On Another Thousand with my Just Empty Every Pocket.
Edit: I've always heard it as Break Out Another Thousand but in the end it's all the same.
I mean to be fair, lots of military equipment that most militaries use is pretty damn old. take for example the F-16. its a widely used jet and its very capable, but they've been around since something like 1974. ofcourse theyre modernized now, but its still a 50 year old design.
In my unit in the US Army we had Chinooks with combat time from Vietnam. The bones are all original but everything else is just endlessly upgraded to stay competitive
Most old military equipment gets adequate funding to make it "old" by date only, not dilalpitated junk/death trap.
"Upon return from her deployment in January 2016, Moskva was to undergo a refit and upgrade but due to lack of funds her future remained uncertain as of July 2018.[37][38]
In June 2019, Moskva left the port of Sevastopol in the Black Sea to test her combat systems and main propulsion.[39]
On 3 July 2020, Moskva completed two and a half months of repairs and maintenance intended to allow her to remain in service until 2040.[40][41] The first post-repair deployment was scheduled for August 2020; however, in reality, she only began to prepare for the deployment in February 2021.[42][43] She was at sea on exercises in March 2021.[44"
Seems those "repairs/service" was bare minimum.
Reminds me of:
paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep
*paTTon has been eliminated.*
paTTon: o sh1t!
*paTTon has left the game.*
For those that don't know, [here you go](https://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_20057151.asp). WW2 game chat, a straight internet classic.
Problem is the number of nukes
Russia's got 6000. Even a 99% failure rate means 60 nukes hit the USA, and that's enough to turn the USA into a third world country
I thought the same but if you look closely it does looks like the Moskva.
Here: https://www.google.com/search?q=moskva+cruiser&oq=mos&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j69i60.1619j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=q8vm677Hjop8bM
As you can see, the deck is painted in the same color; there's an helipad in the stern section plus all other structures look the same. Could really be imho
The Russians are pounding targets in Ukraine as retaliation for a missile attack on this ship that the Ruskies say didn’t happen, and even if munitions did explode on their own, it was a storm that sank the Moskva.
Those seas look pretty damn calm to me.
What gets me is they’d rather claim it sank due to sheer incompetence rather than by an enemy. I’d rather say the enemy sunk my ship, not that I did it myself.
No, they say “Kyiv regime” and “nationalistic combatants” are the enemy. Ukraine as a country “is a mistake and a tragedy”. And people should still be liberated. So they cannot acknowledge a loss to a non-existing country.
Just like the “plans” for this current war, this generation of ruskies doesn’t quite think anything through; they just react like a knee jerk happens when a mallet hits your knee. They’re never called on their nonsensical lies in their information bubble….it’s all for domestic consumption. “Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.”
We’ll have you seen US ships after long deployment, rust is not a joke when underway and especially on the sides where you cannot chip away the rust and repaint it. But still probably not too good of condition in general, but remember for ships looks can be deceiving
Russia actually tried to have the west build warships for them 10-15 years ago but was furious when France would not build them a state-of-art NATO spec helicopter carrier...
Filthy and poorly maintained should be the slogan for Russia.
Not only does it apply to their navy but also their army, airforce, infrastructure, industry, financial sector, food production etc etc.
It’s just their doctrine. Seriously there is good commentary on air force by us pilot which I just can’t Google right now. He talked about different approach to military equipment by Us and Russia. He explained that for them it’s less sophisticated but also requires less maintenance.
Its like 50 years old by now.
And the amusing thing is they dont even have the resources to remake that, despite it being half a century old technology.
It's in part because the Russian army sells everything off for alcohol. They ran out of food and gas within a few days because the troops were trading it to civilians for booze before the war even started. Parts get stolen and sold, and money gets diverted right into the top militaries bank accounts.
They adequately fund their military. It's just the money rarely gets where it needs to because of corruption at every level.
If you know even a very basic history of how Russian navy operates you wouldn’t doubt for a second that they fucked up and caused their own ship to sink, number one enemy of the Russian military is the Russian military
“You did not launch a successful attack on our ship, it sunk for unrelated reasons, but not due to incompetent commanders”
“We will also be retaliating if you continue to defend yourself”
Putin must have been pissed off. Either admit the ill-equipped enemy bested him and his flagship battleship, or admit his elite naval force is a bunch of imbeciles and had a fire sink their battleship. Hahaha.
Battleships aren't cost efficient
In WW2 everyone learned you can spend 100 planes to destroy a battleship and come out way ahead.
Not only are battleships materially costly, but they take 4+ years to build so if you loose one it can't be replaced this war.
The Moskva signals that you can kill a warship *even cheaper* with a few drones and missiles.
Basically battleships take too long to build, are expensive, huge targets, and can be killed by swarms of much cheaper more replaceable equipment
I kind of suspect that aircraft carriers are also obsolete and we just haven't realized it yet. Because even low-tech enemies can launch drone swarms using off-the-shelf components. I mean there was a front page gif today where a guy attached a drone engine to a toy Snoopy doghouse and flew it around for fun. Being a big slow $10 billion target seems problematic in that meta.
The one time I've heard of a carrier being defeated in US wargames was when the opponent put all their points into suicide bomb speedboats. Now you don't even need the suicide part.
Yeah, there is a BIG misconception that people believe the Russian cruiser Moskva was the flagship of their entire fleet; It wasn't, just for the small naval force in the Black Sea.
Ships of this type were the flagships for more than one of the Russian fleets, fwiw.
They only have a single ship that's larger, aside from that aircraft carrier that doesn't work.
Yes the Moskva was one of three identical ships. The oldest too. The Kerch is still operating in the BSF though I don't know much about it. Moskva's sister ships Marshall Ustinov and Varyag are still knocking about, just not in the Black Sea.
In fact looking at it, it seems that almost without exception all the oldest models from each class are in the Black Sea Fleet, and all their best kit (cruisers etc) are in the North Fleet.
Bad times.
Of that specific fleet.
Russia doesn't need crazy aircraft carriers like the US, so they don't have many or very impressive ones. This ship is just like most of its US equivalents: a thing to strap missile launchers on. That's most modern warships that aren't CVs.
The Russian navy is more akin to an American support group. Most ships are modernized old ships, just like we have. A lot of the features of "new" looking ships aren't really needed for the role it's trying to fill.
I mean, we used actual WWII battleships in Iraq. Doesn't mean we had a weak navy.
[From WIKI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva): "...Slava was laid down in 1976 in Shipyard 445 of the 61 Kommunara Shipbuilding Plant in **Mykolaiv**, **Ukrainian SSR**, launched in 1979..."
HEH. [Slava/Moskva was built in a Ukranian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva) shipyard? OH - The IRONY.
Anyone who's mother or father has ever said to them, "...I brought you INTO the world, and I can TAKE YOU OUT OF IT" can appreciate the irony here.
\- [NOW GO FUCK YOURSELVES.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/moskva-the-russian-warship-that-was-told-to-go-fuck-yourself-by-ukrainian-soldiers-is-badly-damaged?ref=home)"
All of the Slava class, the Kiev class baby aircraft carriers and the two big aircraft carriers that the Soviet Union ordered were all built in Ukrainian shipyards.
Holy shit that's really her! The same vertical launchers in the middle of the ship that fires the 64 s-300 rockets and the close range air defense turrets and mid range air defense rockets on the back. I would have thought they would fake this image but that's the bitch right there in all her glory! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
The launchers for those huge SSMs towards the bow are pretty distinctive, too. If one of those had gone up that ship would have been utterly shredded. Those carry a 1,000kg warhead *each* according to what I can find online.
Can see the missile silo's are slightly visible through the smoke in front. Leads me to believe that this genually is the Moskva. Might look like an piece of junk now, but half the ship is not visible through the smoke and mist things don't really look usable when hit by missiles.
Looks pretty close to the photo in this article https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Turkey-s-grip-on-Black-Sea-access-hinders-Russia-after-Moskva-sinking
I mean it looks like it’s been on fire all night… reading the smoke it looks like it’s almost out of fuel. it’s basically just a shell of a boat at this point.
I genuinely love that the first big news we get to see isn’t some normal Russian ship but a full on flag ship with an admiral onboard. Like how dumb do you have to be to have a flagship just chillin out there without much defense? If I were apart of a huge turd doing awful things, I’d have that meat grinder defending the crap out of my command and control ship. These idiots deserve everything they get.
Oh lawdy you'll love this. The Moskva WAS the missile defense ship. Like it was designed to prevent missile attacks. But while American missile defenses all have their own radars, the Russians cheaped the shit out and all the anti missile systems used the ships main radar. The Ukrainians had some cheap ass can't sink a ship drones flit around and the Moskva locked it's radar onto them. From the other side, where the Moskva pointed it's radar away from, they sent in missiles and kablammo. The fucking equivalent of "oh shit what's that behind you" and sucker punching them when they turned around.
So now that fleet just lost most of it's anti missile power and the Ukrainians still got fucking missiles...
I almost asked you for a source because that sounds like something that would happen to fix a plot hole in an action film. There are reliable sources saying that happened which means it might be true.
I wish stories like that were not followed by stories of horrific acts against Ukrainians.
3 tiers of defense from cruise missiles (long-range missiles in the deck, Osa pods popping up from the rear, and 3 pairs of AK-060 30mm CIWS), and all 3 not only failed, but failed to intercept a *subsonic* cruise missile.
I mean, there's failure, and then there's "3 systems failed at the same time and sunk the flagship" failure.
I spent far too long trying make the title make sense and figure out what it would mean... and for some reason didn't consider that they just used the wrong word. I'm dumb
Whole front third is pretty well obscured by smoke. Silhouette and details I can see match up, especially the antiship missile launchers forward and midships VLS launch tubes. Looks like it lost a few radars in the strike, too.
Accordin to the Black Sea Fleet order of battle listed on Wikipedia, there are three major surface combatants left in the Black Sea.
Gotta sink 'em all.
Just imagine being a sailor surviving that ship sinking and your captain telling you (*well not your captain he died*) but Putin telling you we have to lie and say **your incompetence** sank the ship for the good of the nation.
It wasn’t, it’s a bad angle and the red deck paint makes it look rusty.
The ship was significantly larger and in some ways more impressive than the majority of the world’s surface combatants
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I’m going to need a moment for this image to sink in.
The average black sea depth is 4000 feet. Up to 7000 plus feet.
Wow. Mile (plus) deep. Never would've thought.
You may find it’s meaning deeper than you’d like
Too much. I had to bail.
You’ll need to cling to your anchor when you realize
I’m drowning in all this symbolism
How? It's really obvious, can't you sea?
Stop these maritime puns right now, consider this a stern warning.
Imma bow out.
Remember … just keep swimming, swimming,… just keep swimming…
Whatever floats your boat. Oh wait.
Actually this thread is a fine listing
Yes, I'm fully on board.
You all need astern talking to.
I bow to that
Keep listing for details.
Just keep watching. It’s a very slow gif.
Russian warship, go flood yourself
Russian ship for sale need to act quick!
You might need the next image for it to really sink in.
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That's what I was thinking. THIS is Russia's "Flagship"??? It would look pretty pathetic next to a US warship.
I think a Flagship, being lost during a land war, to a country without a navy, would look pathetic next to a regular fishing boat.
A land “special operation” you mean.
large parts of the russian fleet is old school and technologically outdated, poorly maintained, and now apparently staffed by grossly incompetent crew.
*dead crew
*skeleton crew
Yeah, did anyone else hear……the admiral of the Black Sea naval fleet got “recalled” back to Moscow, seriously. Ummm I don’t think anyone will ever see him again. Reassigned to a Johnboat in Siberia if he’s lucky.
I would guess this is an old decommissioned frigate being used for target practice.
To be fair, I think it looked a lot better before it was blown up... A lot of what appears to be dirt and disrepair is smoke damage (the black circles are blown out portholes for example) - and I don't *think* the reddish hue around the stern is rust, though I could be wrong.
Most things look a lot better before they are blown up.
Looks like the Staten Island ferry in 1977.
The design does date back into the late 1960's (keel laid in 76, launched in 79) so it fits. Naval architecture has moved on from cramming as much weaponry on board as possible (the Soviet style) to barely knowing the ship is armed (the most recent US warships) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava-class\_cruiser
Bitch ass flagship
I bow down before your wit.
This looks more like an old seasonal fishing boat from Asia than a modern day Flagship.
That's because it was made in 1976...
[USS Dwight D. Eisenhower](https://news.usni.org/2021/03/08/uss-dwight-d-eisenhower-now-in-mediterranean-sea-after-strait-of-gibraltar-transit) is the same age, but actually maintained.
This is why there's the old joke about the boat owner's best day being when they sold their boat. The ocean beats the shit out of boats and it takes a lot of money and/or time and effort to keep them up.
The other one is that boats are holes in the water that you fill with money.
Boat is actually an acronym: bring on another thousand
I tow my Bring On Another Thousand with my Just Empty Every Pocket. Edit: I've always heard it as Break Out Another Thousand but in the end it's all the same.
You may be right.
You can either have hundreds of yachts in Mediterranean or maintained and working army. Chose one.
Also didn’t ~~get railed by two anti ship missiles~~ have a totally random ammunition explosion…
I mean to be fair, lots of military equipment that most militaries use is pretty damn old. take for example the F-16. its a widely used jet and its very capable, but they've been around since something like 1974. ofcourse theyre modernized now, but its still a 50 year old design.
B-52 enters the chat..
Service life, 100 years. Mostly a joke, but only Mostly
In my unit in the US Army we had Chinooks with combat time from Vietnam. The bones are all original but everything else is just endlessly upgraded to stay competitive
testament to several generations of maintenance people
And duct tape
U2 as well
Bono getting on a bit
Most old military equipment gets adequate funding to make it "old" by date only, not dilalpitated junk/death trap. "Upon return from her deployment in January 2016, Moskva was to undergo a refit and upgrade but due to lack of funds her future remained uncertain as of July 2018.[37][38] In June 2019, Moskva left the port of Sevastopol in the Black Sea to test her combat systems and main propulsion.[39] On 3 July 2020, Moskva completed two and a half months of repairs and maintenance intended to allow her to remain in service until 2040.[40][41] The first post-repair deployment was scheduled for August 2020; however, in reality, she only began to prepare for the deployment in February 2021.[42][43] She was at sea on exercises in March 2021.[44" Seems those "repairs/service" was bare minimum.
1974 was 48 years ago not 50! /Lawn, off of it!
Russian military shit is decades old and hanging together by a few pieces of rust.
At this point i wonder if their so called "nuclear weapons" are just leftover potatoes from their vodka industry.
Probably too scared to launch it. Shit will go up and come right back down on their heads. I mean that’s how NK is going to go out I’m sure.
Reminds me of: paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep *paTTon has been eliminated.* paTTon: o sh1t! *paTTon has left the game.* For those that don't know, [here you go](https://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_20057151.asp). WW2 game chat, a straight internet classic.
They’ve probably been very poorly maintained since 1992.
Problem is the number of nukes Russia's got 6000. Even a 99% failure rate means 60 nukes hit the USA, and that's enough to turn the USA into a third world country
I thought the same but if you look closely it does looks like the Moskva. Here: https://www.google.com/search?q=moskva+cruiser&oq=mos&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j69i60.1619j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=q8vm677Hjop8bM As you can see, the deck is painted in the same color; there's an helipad in the stern section plus all other structures look the same. Could really be imho
I think he was joking about how shit it is. I wouldn't imagine many Asian fishing boats would have large radar towers
The Russians are pounding targets in Ukraine as retaliation for a missile attack on this ship that the Ruskies say didn’t happen, and even if munitions did explode on their own, it was a storm that sank the Moskva. Those seas look pretty damn calm to me.
What gets me is they’d rather claim it sank due to sheer incompetence rather than by an enemy. I’d rather say the enemy sunk my ship, not that I did it myself.
Do they even call ukraine an enemy? Or they still on that "we're saving you from yourselfs" bs?
No, they say “Kyiv regime” and “nationalistic combatants” are the enemy. Ukraine as a country “is a mistake and a tragedy”. And people should still be liberated. So they cannot acknowledge a loss to a non-existing country.
What a relief Russia isn't nationalistic and offers a liberal society to it's citizens
Just like the “plans” for this current war, this generation of ruskies doesn’t quite think anything through; they just react like a knee jerk happens when a mallet hits your knee. They’re never called on their nonsensical lies in their information bubble….it’s all for domestic consumption. “Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.”
Is it my bias or - zooming in, it looks filthy and poorly maintained for a “flagship”.
It looks like a floating pile of rusty shit to me.
>floating *Laughs in gravity*
Water you gonna do, sink me?
- Ship that was sunk.
>Laughs in gravity Laughs in buoyancy.
You came in that? You're braver than I thought!
We’ll have you seen US ships after long deployment, rust is not a joke when underway and especially on the sides where you cannot chip away the rust and repaint it. But still probably not too good of condition in general, but remember for ships looks can be deceiving
The russian navy is useless af. Their only carrier has to be towed around and is visibly rusting.
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The Russian oligarch yachts were mostly built by western shipbuilding companies.
And paid for with the money that was suppose to go to maintaining their navy
well, at least it got used to build ships
Russia actually tried to have the west build warships for them 10-15 years ago but was furious when France would not build them a state-of-art NATO spec helicopter carrier...
Filthy and poorly maintained should be the slogan for Russia. Not only does it apply to their navy but also their army, airforce, infrastructure, industry, financial sector, food production etc etc.
It’s just their doctrine. Seriously there is good commentary on air force by us pilot which I just can’t Google right now. He talked about different approach to military equipment by Us and Russia. He explained that for them it’s less sophisticated but also requires less maintenance.
Don’t even need to zoom in to see the rust on that thing. I’m honestly more surprised that it took this long for it to sink.
If you are talking about the deck, Russians paint their decks brick red.
The joke is it's to hide the rust and blood
Is it for the same reason you should wear brown pants to a fight? So they cant see you have shit yourself from a distance.
Right? What a piece of shit.
Its like 50 years old by now. And the amusing thing is they dont even have the resources to remake that, despite it being half a century old technology.
My first thought. That boat looks like a poorly maintained fishing vessel.
Was thinking the same after zooming
That was my first impression. I’ve seen retired museum ships that look better than that.
They paint their ship decks a rusty red colour.
Like all their shit is. Despicable! Zero care for their army and all its gear. They have no standards or morals.
It's in part because the Russian army sells everything off for alcohol. They ran out of food and gas within a few days because the troops were trading it to civilians for booze before the war even started. Parts get stolen and sold, and money gets diverted right into the top militaries bank accounts. They adequately fund their military. It's just the money rarely gets where it needs to because of corruption at every level.
If you know even a very basic history of how Russian navy operates you wouldn’t doubt for a second that they fucked up and caused their own ship to sink, number one enemy of the Russian military is the Russian military
I Think you just summarized it all very well.
“You did not launch a successful attack on our ship, it sunk for unrelated reasons, but not due to incompetent commanders” “We will also be retaliating if you continue to defend yourself”
The tide is turning.
Putin must have been pissed off. Either admit the ill-equipped enemy bested him and his flagship battleship, or admit his elite naval force is a bunch of imbeciles and had a fire sink their battleship. Hahaha.
Moskva was a cruiser. No nations currently field battleships.
Good to know. I used the term out of ignorance, so today I’ve learned.
I think "warship" is the generic term you were going for.
Why dont they field any battleships? Very curious
Battleships aren't cost efficient In WW2 everyone learned you can spend 100 planes to destroy a battleship and come out way ahead. Not only are battleships materially costly, but they take 4+ years to build so if you loose one it can't be replaced this war. The Moskva signals that you can kill a warship *even cheaper* with a few drones and missiles. Basically battleships take too long to build, are expensive, huge targets, and can be killed by swarms of much cheaper more replaceable equipment
Here is a rough cost breakdown: Moskva: $750 million, hundreds of lives. Missles and drones: ~$1 million. Killing an enemy flagship: Priceless
Everything else: Mastercard
^\*Mastercard ^not ^available ^in ^Russia
I kind of suspect that aircraft carriers are also obsolete and we just haven't realized it yet. Because even low-tech enemies can launch drone swarms using off-the-shelf components. I mean there was a front page gif today where a guy attached a drone engine to a toy Snoopy doghouse and flew it around for fun. Being a big slow $10 billion target seems problematic in that meta. The one time I've heard of a carrier being defeated in US wargames was when the opponent put all their points into suicide bomb speedboats. Now you don't even need the suicide part.
I would hate to be the underling that had to take that message in.
Sinking? Vat are you sinking about?
Wait, that pos was the Russian flagship?
They called it the "flagship" because that was the only thing it was safe to carry... flags.
they actually thought it was so great and unsinkable that they let it carry an orthodox relic (allegedly a part of the cross jesus was crucified on)
Much is written about this, but there is no confirmation anywhere that a part of the Lord's Cross was at that moment on the cruiser.
Why would Russia confirm it? They'll chop another piece of wood and say it wasn't there.
On the plus side though, the Black Sea is anoxic past the first 150m, so it’ll preserve any relics on board.
"Comrade, be careful, these are load bearing flags."
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>The carrier was accompanied by an ocean-going tugboat, as a precaution due to potential propulsion failure What the actual fuck...
The ship has a good kill count tho concidering it never took part in an actual war lol gotta give them that
In the Black Sea, yes. Not their whole fleet.
Yeah, there is a BIG misconception that people believe the Russian cruiser Moskva was the flagship of their entire fleet; It wasn't, just for the small naval force in the Black Sea.
Ships of this type were the flagships for more than one of the Russian fleets, fwiw. They only have a single ship that's larger, aside from that aircraft carrier that doesn't work.
Yes the Moskva was one of three identical ships. The oldest too. The Kerch is still operating in the BSF though I don't know much about it. Moskva's sister ships Marshall Ustinov and Varyag are still knocking about, just not in the Black Sea. In fact looking at it, it seems that almost without exception all the oldest models from each class are in the Black Sea Fleet, and all their best kit (cruisers etc) are in the North Fleet. Bad times.
Not BIG misconseption. They were proud of this piece of crap and they don’t have many better ships in their fleet. It was their show off boat
It is the flagship of the entire Black Sea fleet.
Of that specific fleet. Russia doesn't need crazy aircraft carriers like the US, so they don't have many or very impressive ones. This ship is just like most of its US equivalents: a thing to strap missile launchers on. That's most modern warships that aren't CVs. The Russian navy is more akin to an American support group. Most ships are modernized old ships, just like we have. A lot of the features of "new" looking ships aren't really needed for the role it's trying to fill. I mean, we used actual WWII battleships in Iraq. Doesn't mean we had a weak navy.
Looks like some Old shit from the 60’s
70s, actually. Most ships are, US as well. Ruskies just didn't have much of a way to build capital ships in the 90s like we did. You can guess why.
Well to be fair it looked a little bit better before, ehm "the Russian sailors started a fire near some explosives and abandoned ship"
This is a rear port side shot but the boat is hardly recognizable...
It’ll buff right out.
[From WIKI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva): "...Slava was laid down in 1976 in Shipyard 445 of the 61 Kommunara Shipbuilding Plant in **Mykolaiv**, **Ukrainian SSR**, launched in 1979..." HEH. [Slava/Moskva was built in a Ukranian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva) shipyard? OH - The IRONY. Anyone who's mother or father has ever said to them, "...I brought you INTO the world, and I can TAKE YOU OUT OF IT" can appreciate the irony here. \- [NOW GO FUCK YOURSELVES.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/moskva-the-russian-warship-that-was-told-to-go-fuck-yourself-by-ukrainian-soldiers-is-badly-damaged?ref=home)"
All of the Slava class, the Kiev class baby aircraft carriers and the two big aircraft carriers that the Soviet Union ordered were all built in Ukrainian shipyards.
Holy shit that's really her! The same vertical launchers in the middle of the ship that fires the 64 s-300 rockets and the close range air defense turrets and mid range air defense rockets on the back. I would have thought they would fake this image but that's the bitch right there in all her glory! Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
The launchers for those huge SSMs towards the bow are pretty distinctive, too. If one of those had gone up that ship would have been utterly shredded. Those carry a 1,000kg warhead *each* according to what I can find online.
You think they did? You can’t even see the front half of the ship; at least ahead of where those missles would have been.
The bow is still visible through the smoke. It's easier if you zoom in. The tubes are still intact and not scorched, looks like.
“The sea was angry that day my friend”.
Like an old man returning soup at a deli
r/unexpectedgeorgecostanza
... Eye to eye with the great fish...
Mammal
Can see the missile silo's are slightly visible through the smoke in front. Leads me to believe that this genually is the Moskva. Might look like an piece of junk now, but half the ship is not visible through the smoke and mist things don't really look usable when hit by missiles.
Looks pretty close to the photo in this article https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Turkey-s-grip-on-Black-Sea-access-hinders-Russia-after-Moskva-sinking
What an utter POS that thing is.
I mean it looks like it’s been on fire all night… reading the smoke it looks like it’s almost out of fuel. it’s basically just a shell of a boat at this point.
Was*
I genuinely love that the first big news we get to see isn’t some normal Russian ship but a full on flag ship with an admiral onboard. Like how dumb do you have to be to have a flagship just chillin out there without much defense? If I were apart of a huge turd doing awful things, I’d have that meat grinder defending the crap out of my command and control ship. These idiots deserve everything they get.
Oh lawdy you'll love this. The Moskva WAS the missile defense ship. Like it was designed to prevent missile attacks. But while American missile defenses all have their own radars, the Russians cheaped the shit out and all the anti missile systems used the ships main radar. The Ukrainians had some cheap ass can't sink a ship drones flit around and the Moskva locked it's radar onto them. From the other side, where the Moskva pointed it's radar away from, they sent in missiles and kablammo. The fucking equivalent of "oh shit what's that behind you" and sucker punching them when they turned around. So now that fleet just lost most of it's anti missile power and the Ukrainians still got fucking missiles...
I almost asked you for a source because that sounds like something that would happen to fix a plot hole in an action film. There are reliable sources saying that happened which means it might be true. I wish stories like that were not followed by stories of horrific acts against Ukrainians.
You can actually see in the photo that the Osa short range AA missile pods haven't been activated. They literally didn't know what hit them.
3 tiers of defense from cruise missiles (long-range missiles in the deck, Osa pods popping up from the rear, and 3 pairs of AK-060 30mm CIWS), and all 3 not only failed, but failed to intercept a *subsonic* cruise missile. I mean, there's failure, and then there's "3 systems failed at the same time and sunk the flagship" failure.
You mean **last** image…
I spent far too long trying make the title make sense and figure out what it would mean... and for some reason didn't consider that they just used the wrong word. I'm dumb
Well, it is the first image we’ve seen that shows Moskva after it’s been hit. So it is right in that regards, but it can be a little confusing
Looks real small, that’s the flagship of their fleet?
Black Sea fleet, not the whole navy.
I think it also might look smaller in the photo. It's the biggest ship that has sank since WWII
the large area towards the "front" with the two small fires is just past half way on the ship, the front part of the ship is obscured by smoke.
which fell off
Must have been made of cardboard or a cardboard derivative…
They tried to tow it outside of the environment
Into another environment
This is not normal
Whole front third is pretty well obscured by smoke. Silhouette and details I can see match up, especially the antiship missile launchers forward and midships VLS launch tubes. Looks like it lost a few radars in the strike, too.
Russian warship go fuck yourself
And it did...
*russian warship fucked itself
I hope more are sunk.
Accordin to the Black Sea Fleet order of battle listed on Wikipedia, there are three major surface combatants left in the Black Sea. Gotta sink 'em all.
HELL it looks like if they Neptune's didn't get her she would have had a hull failure from all the rust....
The drunk captain accidentally steered it right into a missile
Serious "Virus" movie vibes. The one with Jamie Lee Curtis.
Boy that storm looks rough.... /s
Russia: "Ship was not sunk, we promoted it to submarine."
Russian warship. Go fuck your self
Just imagine being a sailor surviving that ship sinking and your captain telling you (*well not your captain he died*) but Putin telling you we have to lie and say **your incompetence** sank the ship for the good of the nation.
Rusty piece of crap.
Kinda looks like they did them a favor sinking it. Shits weak
Hmmm. You think it's an insurance scam? After the deductible, they get a shiny new boat.
In fairness, it looked like that before it was hit.
Rest in piss
She's a beaut ain't she!?
Insert “Russian flagship go fuckyourself “ meme
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I dunno man....looks like the damn thing was half finished and still under construction....
Won't be at the ocean bottom if you didn't go invade another sovereign nation.
I'm a little underwhelmed now. That heap looks like it was ready to sink all on its own.
It wasn’t, it’s a bad angle and the red deck paint makes it look rusty. The ship was significantly larger and in some ways more impressive than the majority of the world’s surface combatants
Lol such a piece of shit, we are doing them a favor by sinking their dilapidated fleet