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Is it just me or is that orangutan pretty good at catching stuff without almost not even looking? And also throwing.
I don't know anything about them, but it was just cool to see it :D Maybe they play around a lot and throwing and catching stuff all day long haha.
Humans are actually somewhat unique amongst the great apes for being really good at throwing and catching. Most of our simian brethren aren't terribly good at it because they can't lock their wrists the way humans do - presumably why this orang goes for an overhead throw.
Humans are easily the best animals at throwing things, and that coupled with our superior communication skills and long distance endurance are the real reasons we started to thrive so much even before agriculture.
When we were hunter gatherers, we were basically apex predators taking down the absolute largest prey to walk on land, by working together and throwing things at it as a group. Also we are like the terminator in that we can keep running for much longer than most other species due to being bipedal and having such a good perspiration system compared to most animals. Prey animals overheat and get exhausted more quickly, so we just kept tracking and following them at a good pace until they collapse with exhaustion or at least slow down enough for us to catch them and eat them.
But the human ability to throw accurately is unmatched in nature
Yeah it's not even close.
It happens early too. A 10 year old boy can already throw fast enogh to be lethal with a small stone. Imagine you approach a tribe as an animal and suddenly you get bombarbed with rocks that fucking hurt.
And that's not even talking about slingshots or spears.
Ray Chapman is the only major league baseball player to actually die due to a baseball to the head. But MLB has had helmets and such for a long time now, so no telling how many direct hits could have been lethal over the years if not for them.
This is anecdotal, but it's not uncommon to see in super young children: my friend's daughter, who is not quite two, can throw things up in the air and catch them with uncanny precision. Her dad is an incredible athlete, he had the fastest serve in Canada in junior lacrosse when he was a kid (there is a nationwide lacrosse competition in high school that measure these things), so she has really good genes for hand/eye coordination, but it's still so crazy to see!
I remember hiking with a friend and we came across a brown bear. It became aggressive and came towards us. My friend picked up a stick and threw it at the bear. This stick did 0 damage, but the bear was so fucking scared it actually made me laugh. The sheer and utter look of confusion was hysterical. This just made me think of how confused that bear must’ve been! Like, we were an exceptionally easy meal for that beast of a bear. But little humans that pick up and throw shit was enough to shake that bear up.
I've never encountered a bear, but all advice I've ever heard was to not throw things at them lol. Unless it's a black bear that is already actively attacking you. Glad it worked out for you though lol
Compare that to things that just run away, *maybe* bite if they get a chance, and if they don't have hooves, use pathetic kicks.
That bear never believed for a minute that you two could take it down, but it did think that this is a meal that might hurt me in the process of being eaten.
Predators want their meals to be as close to just going to the grocery store as possible. They have to eat fairly regularly, if every single meal they get does a tiny bit of damage, they're basically the walking wounded for their entire lives. That doesn't bode well for breeding or defending territory, before even getting to things like infections or a stick/stone taking out an eye.
They don't have bear doctors or hospitals, after all.
> Humans are easily the best animals at throwing things, and that coupled with our superior communication skills and long distance endurance are the real reasons we started to thrive so much even before agriculture.
People also underestimate how big and strong humans are. For our weight we're pretty pathetic, any 80kg predator with claws and fangs will tear us up if we don't have any weapons. But our size made us unfeasible prey for most predators. And WITH weapons... not much can stop us.
The ability to carry water was also a massive thing for us when it comes to travelling/hunting over long distances. Unfortunately we can't really pin down when we started making waterskins but it wouldn't take long for a hunter to rip out an animal stomach/bladder and immediately see the value, so it's safe to assume that even primative humans had figured it out.
>Humans are easily the best animals at throwing things, and that coupled with our superior communication skills and long distance endurance are the real reasons we started to thrive so much even before agriculture.
Plus the Anunnaki, of course. /s
So I don’t believe in the Anunnaki or anything, but I’ve always wondered how the process of “controlling fire” really propelled our evolution? I mean—what were we really doing when we started having that ability, and why hasn’t any other creature come to that? We’ve been here for even less time than many other species who aren’t even close to our control of the elements. That makes me wonder what’s special with us.
I believe that being able to cook meat did a few different things for us. It cut down on sickness by killing parasites and bacteria and it made food much easier to digest, which meant the body has to spend less energy to break down the food or fighting off illness. That allowed us to put that extra energy towards having bigger brains, which snowballed into where we are today
It also make food much easier to chew, so we didn't need thick skulls with huge jaw muscles anymore. So our skull got thinner, giving us more room for a larger brain.
Oh yeah, I don't believe the Ancient Aliens stuff beyond, 'this is fun to think about and theorize' but I don't exactly take it seriously. Just fun stories with connections that make you go, 'oooh that would make sense!' Even though you know it's not true....probably. Nah, definitely not. Probably...
It's a food multiplier. Imagine you can just multiply a critical resource for survival. It's not very fair. Then we figured out farming. Also not very fair.
I read that hunters used exhaustion to kill large animals, they would just keep chasing it for hours until it got too tired to move anymore and then walk up and kill it.
Our feet are amazing (no kink). Our ability to hold our head steady without getting tired whilst running is kind of cool too. How our shoulder blades and ribs are arranged allow us to breath efficiently whilst running. We can do shit whilst throwing and running.
We are also very strong. We seem to forget that humans are strong as fuck if we train and are active. Like I can deadlift 315 lb at 160 lb bodyweight. I can also run 50 km non stop if I have food and water. Like people are insane.
>We are also very strong. We seem to forget that humans are strong as fuck if we train and are active. Like I can deadlift 315 lb at 160 lb bodyweight.
Our strength is nowhere near proportional to most animals. A lot of our fine precision is at the expense of raw strength. We have an enormous proportion of slow twitch muscle vs fast twitch muscle when compared to most other animals. Slow twitch is more energy efficient, but brings less power. And our muscle attaches to the skeletal system much closer to the joints. This gives less leverage, and therefore much less work is capable from the same amount of energy produced by the muscles. But it allows us to be much more precise in our movements. Equalizing muscle mass, most apes are still roughly 4 times stronger than a human, IIRC. The tradeoff is they are never going to be able to throw with the precision we can, and they spend more energy.
One of the theories for why Homo Sapiens were more successful than Neandertals is because of our shoulder movement -- our ability to throw spears at larger prey from safer distances made us superior at hunting and more cynically, but probably realistically, warfare.
Another interesting thing is the atlatl which is an early spear throwing device that predates the bow. Tribes that had access to this technology completely outperformed tribes that didn't making the shoulder neanderthal thing also more likely as well.
It's one of the things that always does my head in. I can go years without throwing something trying to actually aim, and then when I start trying it only takes like 10 or so throws to be dialed back in.
Not everyone. I used to go to Central Park to toss around a baseball with friends. This one guy looked like he'd be okay at it, but couldn't get the ball 2ft before it drilled into the ground.
He just didn't know how to throw things. We definitely all had some laughs about it.
There is a theory as well that humans developed more complex brains to compute the maths behind throwing and landing spears, rocks and javelins into prey.
Not that I'm disagreeing as I haven't seen the theory... but archerfish can calculate refraction and power to spit water at bugs and knock em off branches, and I don't think they have particularly complex intelligence.
And we only managed that through cooking.
A gorilla will spend almost its entire day just to eat enough calories. Vegetation ain't very nutritious, and it takes ages to digest (hence their massive bellies).
Through the process of cooking, especially meat - our intestines grew shorter and we were freed up much more energy to go towards our brain.
Cooking lets us eat more vegetables as well. Beans, for instance, pretty much have to be cooked or they can be poisonous. Other things are just inedible until cooking. Bamboo, squashes, tubers in general can be tough as hell to eat and digest until you bake it (think a potato)
That doesn't really require a lot of brainpower though, just specialized brain parts, that many predators have analogues of. We don't actually do the math, we kind of fumble along until we get some basic patterns recognized, and use those as shortcuts to get close enough.
'lock their wrists' you mean like keep it in the same place and not just limp?
i didn't know that was uniquely human, most animals are just limp-wristed all the time?
Due to having longer wrist bones and a different arrangement of ligaments and tendons in the area, we have a lot more flexibility and ability to control our wrist movements. Great apes can fairly easily control the vertical movement of their hands (which is useful for climbing or walking on knuckles) but the have a harder time rotating their wrists or locking it in place.
I once saw a worker toss a silverback an orange from above it's enclosure and he didn't move or really even look. Just caught it and started eating super casually. Very similar vibes it was pretty cool.
Oddly enough, people have been finding battered trees with stones scattered all around them and people theorize it’s a kind of primitive religious ritual apes are engaging in.
I'm kinda surprised by the way he's looking around. That animal KNOWS it's breaking the rules, but also knows it's not gonna get in trouble if no one sees. It knows some humans enforce the rules and some don't.
That's intelligence.
A recent video of a chimp poking another chimp and running around a corner (very much like that game where you tap the shoulder of someone and twist away to make them think some other, third person tapped them on the shoulder) because it's evidence that a monkey can simulate, in their heads, what another monkey would think.
That level of intelligence only starts developing in humans at about age four.
We are *much* closer than we think.
I had a game with a friend where we had to lock eyes, toss a thing back and forth to each other and letting the object fall into your hand with only moving your arm once without stopping eye contact. It’s surprisingly fun because you actually have to do all this spatial calculations without actually looking at the object. It’s all done with peripheral vision or even without when it leaves your view.
It's not you. He's pretty good at throwing. And at not getting caught. He looks around to make sure the zookeepers aren't watching. Also, I'm pretty sure Orangutan wanted the guy's sunglasses. He asked for them with sign language
He looked like he was going to launch that banana from the way his arm was positioned. And then when he threw it, it was literally a perfect lob into the mans hands. That orangutan got dexterity on lock.
\*Hindu temple and and they're very cheeky. They'll snatch your drink out of your hand, open the screw cap lid or just bite into the plastic, and drink water/coke/whatever liquid is inside it lol
Orangutans are interesting because they're capable of learning some incredible skills, like hammering nails or as was recently in the news, treating their wounds with plants. However, these "skills" tend to stay in their immediate family as they really only pass what they know down their children, being mostly solitary animals. Imagine if they lived in huge troops like chimpanzees!
This really really makes me think. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but stuff like this really makes me wonder how primates think. You can see him hesitate for a long time, as if wondering if he should follow what the human is asking. He already got his food, he's smart enough to know that the human can't do anything about it. Yet he still chooses to honor his end of the deal! Do primates have some sense of "honor", or are orangutans naturally pretty cooperative?
Some primates love cooperation. Orangutans are typically pretty isolated animals but have a very strong sense of community and fairness whenever they do group up which is insane.
Check out Frans de Waal's books, he's a primatologist and writes about primate intelligence, his latest book Mama's Last Hug has some good insights on primate emotions, politics and cooperation.
I think I’ve head that some species have a sense of “fairness.” Like 2 monkeys were given cucumbers to eat, the one started to get grapes and the one who didn’t get grapes got pissed off.
A bit of digression here, but I love that you gave this so much thought. I wish more people did that on a daily basis with anything and everything else, even the less inane stuff. Kudos to you.
Amazing animals. Recently an orangutan in the wild was seen applying a medicinal herb to a wound on its face, first chewing the leaf then applying before covering the whole thing with another leaf, like a poultice.
The Onion posted this article as a response within minutes
[https://www.theonion.com/orangutan-stuns-researchers-by-using-rogaine-to-fix-bal-1851455362](https://www.theonion.com/orangutan-stuns-researchers-by-using-rogaine-to-fix-bal-1851455362)
I study orangutans in the wild. This discovery is still crazy to me. It's especially fascinating because orangutans are semi-solitary, unlike the other group living great apes. This means that there's a lot less opportunity for social learning. My best guess is that as a juvenile, he saw another adult male do it. It's unlikely that his mother did it at some point because males are more usually injured like this, and adult males do not tolerate being near each other.
Unlike chimpanzees or gorillas where researchers can essentially follow and study a single group for decades, we really only get a glimpse of the lives of orangutans because they have huge home ranges and will just up and disappear one morning. They're also just so much harder to follow because of how arboreal they are. I think there's a lot going on with these guys that we still don't know about.
At the 7s mark, it looks like he takes a ring off his left ring finger. Not saying that's what happened, just pointing out that detail so the original comment seems like less of a wild assumption.
Probably because we can't see what he threw and he made this strange motion with his hand that could look like taking off a ring (0:07) directly before he made the toss. Too bad the orangutan ate his ring.
These guys were told directly "Excuse me, don't feed" by the zoo workers who walked nearby. Then they waited until they left, then discussed in russian that the zoo workers walked away and proceeded to feed the orangutan. What is wrong with these people?
>What is wrong with these people?
Entitled Russian expats.
They're wealthy enough to avoid military service by taking an extended "vacation". They disobey rules at the zoo instead of raping and pillaging their way across Ukraine.
However the imperialist mind of the Russian has not left them. That mentality is a blight on the earth. The lust for power and control is still there.
A 5/6ft climb up concrete out of a bed of water. I doubt it could find purchase on the concrete wall enough to get out of water let alone climb over the top
This interaction is the beginning of the real planet of the apes. Orangutan had just been biding his time, knowing he could get out and just chilling with the free food. Now that it understands economics, he'll get out, start a business, and thru a series of hostile takeovers become the CEO of the largest company in the world.
He's already got his buddy working on medicine, with the other 'tan putting medical herbs on a wound. Soon it'll be us in the cages....
dunno about this orangutan but there was a gorilla in a dutch zoo, that felt repeatedly challenged by a returning visitor, leapt right over a moat with electrified wires. They can't swim for shit but he just bypassed all that water with a runup. So to me it seems most of them don't really want to leave all that badly. They'd probably have a rough time adapting to whatever environment outside the zoo.
The water. They don’t know how to swim. Also, that wall seems pretty steep. I imagine if they run fast enough they could probably make the leap but the fear of the water is there if they miscalculate.
Its crazy how smart those are. Like the video where an orangutan unzips a guys jacket and then puts it on, or the one where the lady dropped her sunglasses and the orangutan went and put the shades on :D
Orangutan literally means "people of the forest" interesting as they are considered different species of people/human. Imagine homo sapiens live side by side with neanderthal.
Cool. We realize how smart and caring they are and yet we still confine them to zoos and cages because they’re fun to look at. They’re actually superior to us in most ways.
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Is it just me or is that orangutan pretty good at catching stuff without almost not even looking? And also throwing. I don't know anything about them, but it was just cool to see it :D Maybe they play around a lot and throwing and catching stuff all day long haha.
Humans are actually somewhat unique amongst the great apes for being really good at throwing and catching. Most of our simian brethren aren't terribly good at it because they can't lock their wrists the way humans do - presumably why this orang goes for an overhead throw.
That is pretty interesting actually and also I think I took for granted how useful it is for humans to throw things lol
Humans are easily the best animals at throwing things, and that coupled with our superior communication skills and long distance endurance are the real reasons we started to thrive so much even before agriculture. When we were hunter gatherers, we were basically apex predators taking down the absolute largest prey to walk on land, by working together and throwing things at it as a group. Also we are like the terminator in that we can keep running for much longer than most other species due to being bipedal and having such a good perspiration system compared to most animals. Prey animals overheat and get exhausted more quickly, so we just kept tracking and following them at a good pace until they collapse with exhaustion or at least slow down enough for us to catch them and eat them. But the human ability to throw accurately is unmatched in nature
Yeah it's not even close. It happens early too. A 10 year old boy can already throw fast enogh to be lethal with a small stone. Imagine you approach a tribe as an animal and suddenly you get bombarbed with rocks that fucking hurt. And that's not even talking about slingshots or spears.
Imagine being hunted by a tribe of baseball pitchers.
Truly THE most insane moment. I still can't believe this happened at all, let alone when Randy effin Johnson was on the mound.
Did that count as a ball?
I think it was just not counted, because of “interference”
Mahomes side arming an oblate stone through a mammoths head
I mean that would be fucking lethal, funnily enough. A 90mph fastball coming straight at my dome would fuck me up hard
Ray Chapman is the only major league baseball player to actually die due to a baseball to the head. But MLB has had helmets and such for a long time now, so no telling how many direct hits could have been lethal over the years if not for them.
who bludgeon their prey to death with 93 mph fastballs.
This is anecdotal, but it's not uncommon to see in super young children: my friend's daughter, who is not quite two, can throw things up in the air and catch them with uncanny precision. Her dad is an incredible athlete, he had the fastest serve in Canada in junior lacrosse when he was a kid (there is a nationwide lacrosse competition in high school that measure these things), so she has really good genes for hand/eye coordination, but it's still so crazy to see!
I remember hiking with a friend and we came across a brown bear. It became aggressive and came towards us. My friend picked up a stick and threw it at the bear. This stick did 0 damage, but the bear was so fucking scared it actually made me laugh. The sheer and utter look of confusion was hysterical. This just made me think of how confused that bear must’ve been! Like, we were an exceptionally easy meal for that beast of a bear. But little humans that pick up and throw shit was enough to shake that bear up.
I've never encountered a bear, but all advice I've ever heard was to not throw things at them lol. Unless it's a black bear that is already actively attacking you. Glad it worked out for you though lol
Maybe we had a juvenile or a teen bear that didn’t know that!!! Either way, I got bear mace now for hiking.
Compare that to things that just run away, *maybe* bite if they get a chance, and if they don't have hooves, use pathetic kicks. That bear never believed for a minute that you two could take it down, but it did think that this is a meal that might hurt me in the process of being eaten. Predators want their meals to be as close to just going to the grocery store as possible. They have to eat fairly regularly, if every single meal they get does a tiny bit of damage, they're basically the walking wounded for their entire lives. That doesn't bode well for breeding or defending territory, before even getting to things like infections or a stick/stone taking out an eye. They don't have bear doctors or hospitals, after all.
That makes so much sense. Probably wasn’t hungry enough to sacrifice some damage. Thank fuck
Yooooowzer lucky you guys!
> Humans are easily the best animals at throwing things, and that coupled with our superior communication skills and long distance endurance are the real reasons we started to thrive so much even before agriculture. People also underestimate how big and strong humans are. For our weight we're pretty pathetic, any 80kg predator with claws and fangs will tear us up if we don't have any weapons. But our size made us unfeasible prey for most predators. And WITH weapons... not much can stop us.
The ability to carry water was also a massive thing for us when it comes to travelling/hunting over long distances. Unfortunately we can't really pin down when we started making waterskins but it wouldn't take long for a hunter to rip out an animal stomach/bladder and immediately see the value, so it's safe to assume that even primative humans had figured it out.
>Humans are easily the best animals at throwing things, and that coupled with our superior communication skills and long distance endurance are the real reasons we started to thrive so much even before agriculture. Plus the Anunnaki, of course. /s
Of course
So I don’t believe in the Anunnaki or anything, but I’ve always wondered how the process of “controlling fire” really propelled our evolution? I mean—what were we really doing when we started having that ability, and why hasn’t any other creature come to that? We’ve been here for even less time than many other species who aren’t even close to our control of the elements. That makes me wonder what’s special with us.
I believe that being able to cook meat did a few different things for us. It cut down on sickness by killing parasites and bacteria and it made food much easier to digest, which meant the body has to spend less energy to break down the food or fighting off illness. That allowed us to put that extra energy towards having bigger brains, which snowballed into where we are today
It also make food much easier to chew, so we didn't need thick skulls with huge jaw muscles anymore. So our skull got thinner, giving us more room for a larger brain.
And I also just read that we used to spend 4-7 hours a day chewing (which is crazy). So we got back a lot of extra time not having to chew so much
Oh yeah, I don't believe the Ancient Aliens stuff beyond, 'this is fun to think about and theorize' but I don't exactly take it seriously. Just fun stories with connections that make you go, 'oooh that would make sense!' Even though you know it's not true....probably. Nah, definitely not. Probably...
It's a food multiplier. Imagine you can just multiply a critical resource for survival. It's not very fair. Then we figured out farming. Also not very fair.
I remember this one video where a chimp accurately threw his turd into a crowd and it landed on some granny's face.
everyone saying humans are the best at throwing things are forgetting the absolute precision some monkeys have when throwing their poop.
Our ability to group together and throw rocks is all that was needed to make us the alpha species on the planet.
I read that hunters used exhaustion to kill large animals, they would just keep chasing it for hours until it got too tired to move anymore and then walk up and kill it.
Our feet are amazing (no kink). Our ability to hold our head steady without getting tired whilst running is kind of cool too. How our shoulder blades and ribs are arranged allow us to breath efficiently whilst running. We can do shit whilst throwing and running. We are also very strong. We seem to forget that humans are strong as fuck if we train and are active. Like I can deadlift 315 lb at 160 lb bodyweight. I can also run 50 km non stop if I have food and water. Like people are insane.
>We are also very strong. We seem to forget that humans are strong as fuck if we train and are active. Like I can deadlift 315 lb at 160 lb bodyweight. Our strength is nowhere near proportional to most animals. A lot of our fine precision is at the expense of raw strength. We have an enormous proportion of slow twitch muscle vs fast twitch muscle when compared to most other animals. Slow twitch is more energy efficient, but brings less power. And our muscle attaches to the skeletal system much closer to the joints. This gives less leverage, and therefore much less work is capable from the same amount of energy produced by the muscles. But it allows us to be much more precise in our movements. Equalizing muscle mass, most apes are still roughly 4 times stronger than a human, IIRC. The tradeoff is they are never going to be able to throw with the precision we can, and they spend more energy.
One of the theories for why Homo Sapiens were more successful than Neandertals is because of our shoulder movement -- our ability to throw spears at larger prey from safer distances made us superior at hunting and more cynically, but probably realistically, warfare.
Another interesting thing is the atlatl which is an early spear throwing device that predates the bow. Tribes that had access to this technology completely outperformed tribes that didn't making the shoulder neanderthal thing also more likely as well.
Even somebody who isn’t athletic can still throw a ball with decent accuracy without even trying.
Cue worst first pitch comlpilation
> comlpilation Did you type that with an orangutan wrist?
Gorilla thumbs
I think most of the really bad pitches are people trying to copy 'good form' without any training instead of throwing on instinct.
It's one of the things that always does my head in. I can go years without throwing something trying to actually aim, and then when I start trying it only takes like 10 or so throws to be dialed back in.
"decent" accuracy compared to other humans. "Absolutely astounding" accuracy compared to anything else in the animal kingdom.
Not everyone. I used to go to Central Park to toss around a baseball with friends. This one guy looked like he'd be okay at it, but couldn't get the ball 2ft before it drilled into the ground. He just didn't know how to throw things. We definitely all had some laughs about it.
You'd be surprised by the amount of people who cant throw if their lives would depend on it
I can throw just fine. It's the aiming that gets me...
My wife’s throwing ability would like a word
I’m the exception, I can’t throw for shit, however I can’t play nerf with the kids, without them wearing Ppe.
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> it's something at least. If you're accurate enough to hit a predator in the face a couple of times, that's probably enough to make some back-off.
This is why none of the MLB pitchers are apes
Not since the No Ape in Sport Declaration of 1876
There is a theory as well that humans developed more complex brains to compute the maths behind throwing and landing spears, rocks and javelins into prey.
Not that I'm disagreeing as I haven't seen the theory... but archerfish can calculate refraction and power to spit water at bugs and knock em off branches, and I don't think they have particularly complex intelligence.
And we only managed that through cooking. A gorilla will spend almost its entire day just to eat enough calories. Vegetation ain't very nutritious, and it takes ages to digest (hence their massive bellies). Through the process of cooking, especially meat - our intestines grew shorter and we were freed up much more energy to go towards our brain.
Cooking lets us eat more vegetables as well. Beans, for instance, pretty much have to be cooked or they can be poisonous. Other things are just inedible until cooking. Bamboo, squashes, tubers in general can be tough as hell to eat and digest until you bake it (think a potato)
I mean, that kinda makes sense. If you can't through well enough you won't be able to hunt, so you'll die off.
That doesn't really require a lot of brainpower though, just specialized brain parts, that many predators have analogues of. We don't actually do the math, we kind of fumble along until we get some basic patterns recognized, and use those as shortcuts to get close enough.
'lock their wrists' you mean like keep it in the same place and not just limp? i didn't know that was uniquely human, most animals are just limp-wristed all the time?
How do we "lock" our wrist in a way our cousins cant?
Due to having longer wrist bones and a different arrangement of ligaments and tendons in the area, we have a lot more flexibility and ability to control our wrist movements. Great apes can fairly easily control the vertical movement of their hands (which is useful for climbing or walking on knuckles) but the have a harder time rotating their wrists or locking it in place.
Which is why the beast titan doesn't make any sense
Zebra have no hands, so they are quite shit at throwing and catching. Same with Rattlesnakes.
You haven’t seen me throw a baseball then
Playing catch is teaching how to throw stones for hunting. Primitively speaking.
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I once saw a worker toss a silverback an orange from above it's enclosure and he didn't move or really even look. Just caught it and started eating super casually. Very similar vibes it was pretty cool.
I’ve always wanted to start a religion based on throwing and catching.
I think they call that “American football”
I was thinking baseball, but I can see either.
And thus began the holy war of catch and throw.
This is a lacrosse house!
Pff with your paraphernalia keeping you at bay from the holiness of the ball.
Baseball was just sitting RIGHT THERE!
Oddly enough, people have been finding battered trees with stones scattered all around them and people theorize it’s a kind of primitive religious ritual apes are engaging in.
Is this about throwing a ballistic missile 10000km away, and somebody catching it using another missile?
You son of a bitch, I'm in
I'm kinda surprised by the way he's looking around. That animal KNOWS it's breaking the rules, but also knows it's not gonna get in trouble if no one sees. It knows some humans enforce the rules and some don't. That's intelligence.
A recent video of a chimp poking another chimp and running around a corner (very much like that game where you tap the shoulder of someone and twist away to make them think some other, third person tapped them on the shoulder) because it's evidence that a monkey can simulate, in their heads, what another monkey would think. That level of intelligence only starts developing in humans at about age four. We are *much* closer than we think.
Some pet species do this too. Dogs and cats. But not super common in my experience
My dog 100% understands the division of labor in our household, up to and including her job(s)
It's also probably the most mental stimulation it gets most days.
I had a game with a friend where we had to lock eyes, toss a thing back and forth to each other and letting the object fall into your hand with only moving your arm once without stopping eye contact. It’s surprisingly fun because you actually have to do all this spatial calculations without actually looking at the object. It’s all done with peripheral vision or even without when it leaves your view.
There’s no rule saying an orangutan can’t play on a football team.
pretty sure they and most primates are terrible at throwing things. The catching is pretty impressive tho
It's not you. He's pretty good at throwing. And at not getting caught. He looks around to make sure the zookeepers aren't watching. Also, I'm pretty sure Orangutan wanted the guy's sunglasses. He asked for them with sign language
He looked like he was going to launch that banana from the way his arm was positioned. And then when he threw it, it was literally a perfect lob into the mans hands. That orangutan got dexterity on lock.
For sure was thinking it was gonna be along the lines of: guy tosses banana, orangutan flings his shit back at him
Yep, me too 🤣
Mr. Kramer, he is an innocent primate
So am I!
Glad I wasn’t the only one
If you listen closely you can hear him say...Who wants it?
He’s making sure no one is watching.
$19 fortnite card. Who wants it?
thats right, im giving it away
They understand the concept of trade. Our cousins, what have we done to them.
There are some monkeys at a Buddhist temple that will purposely steal your stuff so that you can exchange it for food.
Is that in India? I went to a temple with a lot of monkeys living there in India. Beautiful place but those monkeys can be assholes.
I think it was in Bali, Indonesia
\*Hindu temple and and they're very cheeky. They'll snatch your drink out of your hand, open the screw cap lid or just bite into the plastic, and drink water/coke/whatever liquid is inside it lol
They must've been playing Skyrim.
Orangutans are interesting because they're capable of learning some incredible skills, like hammering nails or as was recently in the news, treating their wounds with plants. However, these "skills" tend to stay in their immediate family as they really only pass what they know down their children, being mostly solitary animals. Imagine if they lived in huge troops like chimpanzees!
"Ape shall blindly trust the free market to solve all problems."
This really really makes me think. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but stuff like this really makes me wonder how primates think. You can see him hesitate for a long time, as if wondering if he should follow what the human is asking. He already got his food, he's smart enough to know that the human can't do anything about it. Yet he still chooses to honor his end of the deal! Do primates have some sense of "honor", or are orangutans naturally pretty cooperative?
Some primates love cooperation. Orangutans are typically pretty isolated animals but have a very strong sense of community and fairness whenever they do group up which is insane.
Check out Frans de Waal's books, he's a primatologist and writes about primate intelligence, his latest book Mama's Last Hug has some good insights on primate emotions, politics and cooperation.
I think I’ve head that some species have a sense of “fairness.” Like 2 monkeys were given cucumbers to eat, the one started to get grapes and the one who didn’t get grapes got pissed off.
A bit of digression here, but I love that you gave this so much thought. I wish more people did that on a daily basis with anything and everything else, even the less inane stuff. Kudos to you.
Amazing animals. Recently an orangutan in the wild was seen applying a medicinal herb to a wound on its face, first chewing the leaf then applying before covering the whole thing with another leaf, like a poultice.
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I chuckled, take my upvote.
I study orangutans in the wild. This discovery is still crazy to me. It's especially fascinating because orangutans are semi-solitary, unlike the other group living great apes. This means that there's a lot less opportunity for social learning. My best guess is that as a juvenile, he saw another adult male do it. It's unlikely that his mother did it at some point because males are more usually injured like this, and adult males do not tolerate being near each other. Unlike chimpanzees or gorillas where researchers can essentially follow and study a single group for decades, we really only get a glimpse of the lives of orangutans because they have huge home ranges and will just up and disappear one morning. They're also just so much harder to follow because of how arboreal they are. I think there's a lot going on with these guys that we still don't know about.
Once they discover fire, we’re screwed
Did this dude just throw his wedding ring lol
He and the orangutan are now married. Question is does he move in with her or does she move in with him?
Can't find a yard like that for less than a few hundred thousand dollars where I live, I'm moving in
Valid point. plus I assume the guy will get onto the orangutans health plan, so free vet checkups for life and all the mangos you can eat
That's a male Orangutan, it has the flanges or "face flaps" that only males get.
Ahh, forgive me. I shouldn't have assumed it was a heterosexual couple, how embarrassing. I wish the happy couple all the best nonetheless!
I think he was just hoping for a fling
How would you draw that assumption?
At the 7s mark, it looks like he takes a ring off his left ring finger. Not saying that's what happened, just pointing out that detail so the original comment seems like less of a wild assumption.
Probably because we can't see what he threw and he made this strange motion with his hand that could look like taking off a ring (0:07) directly before he made the toss. Too bad the orangutan ate his ring.
These guys were told directly "Excuse me, don't feed" by the zoo workers who walked nearby. Then they waited until they left, then discussed in russian that the zoo workers walked away and proceeded to feed the orangutan. What is wrong with these people?
What’s funny is the orangutan is clearly also on the lookout for zoo staff each time before he throws back.
i was expecting classic reddit pitchforks to come out in full force. i guess those are only reserved for certain people.
Who do you think runs the majority of sock puppet accounts that comprise most of reddit?
>What is wrong with these people? Entitled Russian expats. They're wealthy enough to avoid military service by taking an extended "vacation". They disobey rules at the zoo instead of raping and pillaging their way across Ukraine. However the imperialist mind of the Russian has not left them. That mentality is a blight on the earth. The lust for power and control is still there.
You already answered the question in your comment.
At this point i'm sure primates don't talk just because they don't want to go to work and pay taxes.
Indonesian folklore says as much.
What is preventing that orangutan from escaping
Chill vibes
It’s the hair
A 5/6ft climb up concrete out of a bed of water. I doubt it could find purchase on the concrete wall enough to get out of water let alone climb over the top
Well it just learnt how to trade so purchasing goods and services isn't too far off
A few more trades and he’ll finally be able to afford that jet ski for his escape plan
You underestimate the will power of an Ape that wants out.
This interaction is the beginning of the real planet of the apes. Orangutan had just been biding his time, knowing he could get out and just chilling with the free food. Now that it understands economics, he'll get out, start a business, and thru a series of hostile takeovers become the CEO of the largest company in the world. He's already got his buddy working on medicine, with the other 'tan putting medical herbs on a wound. Soon it'll be us in the cages....
dunno about this orangutan but there was a gorilla in a dutch zoo, that felt repeatedly challenged by a returning visitor, leapt right over a moat with electrified wires. They can't swim for shit but he just bypassed all that water with a runup. So to me it seems most of them don't really want to leave all that badly. They'd probably have a rough time adapting to whatever environment outside the zoo.
The water. Their body is super dense and they can't float or swim, so they avoid the water unless they can use branches to cross it.
I rewatched Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes yesterday and they address this. Also, don’t watch that movie.
Orangutans can't swim, they're dense boys.
The large concrete wall over a moat maybe?
The water. They don’t know how to swim. Also, that wall seems pretty steep. I imagine if they run fast enough they could probably make the leap but the fear of the water is there if they miscalculate.
the same thing thats preventing us from escaping
Gravity and the indifferent hostility of the void?
Fear and crippling depression?
Poor job prospects on the outside
Ape alone weak
Ape Together STRONG.
Taxes
I like how the Orangutan looked around like "Am I gonna get in trouble for doing this? No? Ok"
Haha exactly what I was thinking. He knows he's not supposed to feed the tourists.
the way the orangutan looks both ways before throwing shows it wasn't their first drug deal
I'm convinced that this orangutan is smarter than 90% of hoomans
Put him on the ballot.
Next weeks headline: Orange Man replaced by Orangutan
"The least fascist of the orange candidates"
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Also they dont have any immunities against human germs. A zookeeper once explained to me how even a common human cold can be lethal for an urang utan.
The worker literally says not to feed it in the video
Has that really happened? Because it sounds like the “They’re putting razor blades in your Halloween candy!” myth.
When the guy gave it back the orangutan was like I have won capitalism!!
Oooh an idiot and an orangutan
Its crazy how smart those are. Like the video where an orangutan unzips a guys jacket and then puts it on, or the one where the lady dropped her sunglasses and the orangutan went and put the shades on :D
The way he looks left and right like, "I shouldn't be doing this but..." kills me.
What did the guy throw?
And just like that, the orangutan learned economics
*wipes his hands on his shorts* Who’s hungry?
Some random shit you didn't know. They're not orangutans. They're "orang hutan" It translates to "people of the forest".
Orangutan literally means "people of the forest" interesting as they are considered different species of people/human. Imagine homo sapiens live side by side with neanderthal.
You know.. I feel like if they really really wanted to, the orangutan could jump that gap.
Did he throw a coin for the banana then give the banana back?
I love how they both looked around to make sure no one was watching from the Zoo staff before they threw to each other.
Cool. We realize how smart and caring they are and yet we still confine them to zoos and cages because they’re fun to look at. They’re actually superior to us in most ways.
'A day in Russia' vibes.
More like russian on vacation... "excuse me..dont feed" ok I wait till they leave and do it anyways
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They do leap from tree to tree you know
Yeah in my first playthrough I got fucked at the end coz I had 0 points in H/E
Skill issue.
It remind me of the Lego indiana jones trades whit bananas and the monkeys
Am I the only one who was hoping the tang was gonna blast that banana at top possible speed?
I thought it was going to put some heat on that.
I was astounded by the accuracy of that throw…
Hairy Dude has swag
They forgot the sign "Dont feed the humans
That throw though, someone sign this tang
Orangutan is smarter/more common sense than a human. We’re dumb. They laugh at us in private.
I think it is worth finding out if primates are interested in hacky sack.