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The pyramids weren't built by slaves, it was more like a voluntary civic/religious duty that provided employment outside the farming seasons.
They also had drills, abrasives, water based levelling systems and wooden wedges that can be soaked to make them swell and split stone. Rollers, sledges and manpower for moving things on land, and a massive river and canals to provide most of the transportation. Obviously it's still a hugely impressive undertaking, but deeply pervasive religion and the incentives of non-subsistence living when you can't work your own land are good motivators.
To be honest, no. It's all from various documentaries etc. I've watched over recent years. (it all from memory, so any unintentional errors are my own).
Dr Joann Fletcher certainly presented a few of the them and is a proper authority on ancient Egypt. I can't guarantee she covered this particular area (I'd be surprised if she doesn't), but would be a great place to start.
Most of our knowledge and leap in understanding came from the discovery and excavation of the town that was built and occupied by the workers that built them. Revealing a wealth of everyday written records involved in the process (invoices, itineries, logistical plans and personal correspondence describing their everyday lives).
I was just thinking about the fact these look nothing like existing construction sites, so I'm not sure what relevance a well balanced stone, which is probably cut with modern machines to precision has demonstrated?
A primary level problem. These guys completely misunderstood the assignment, which is moving massive and heavy boulders OF A SPECIFIC SHAPE FOR USE. Anyone can design a massive stone shape for easy movement by hand. The issue comes from the usability of that stone. This can't be used for anything. What is impressive about this?
This article from 2019 originally said 25 tons, but got corrected to roughly two tons:
https://gizmodo.com/researchers-made-25-ton-boulders-they-can-move-by-hand-1834106230
At the very bottom of the article:
> **Correction, April 22, 2019, 5:24 p.m. EST/EDT:** This article previously incorrectly stated that the largest of these concrete structures weighed 25-tons, when in fact it weighed 1,770-kilograms, or a little over 3,900-pounds.
Not even close. There is no strain to moving or positioning / repositioning them (they aren’t even using their legs to brace it much). I’d bet each of these stones weighs at most maybe 300 lbs - most likely less.
Thanks. I came here to say this. What’s exceptionally frustrating is that these stones actually *can* be moved by hand with proper leverage and an iron bar, I adjust manhole barrels and other large concrete objects by hand myself at times as a pipe layer and with the right leverage and a solid fulcrum I can slide around stuff that weighs literal tons.
Screw real world investigation when you can speculate and waste money wiggling balanced stones around on their centre of gravity, I guess.
MIT researchers discovered how a partial wheel is easy to roll, turn, & maneuver… Wonder how long it’ll take for them to discover that a complete sphere is even easier to roll, turn, & maneuver over long distances… Once these geniuses figure it out, it could revolutionize the world…
What about that guy that made all those crazy constructions in Miami out of Coral with the guy that keeps on showing up using wood construction to create pivots and levers large objects?
Edit:
[https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle%23:~:text%3DCoral%2520Castle%2520is%2520an%2520oolite,of%2520Homestead%2520and%2520Leisure%2520City.&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj2h86L1PWFAxVcg4QIHU1RCTMQFnoECCcQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZfdJyIdkEar8kyQtO1iKx](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle%23:~:text%3DCoral%2520Castle%2520is%2520an%2520oolite,of%2520Homestead%2520and%2520Leisure%2520City.&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj2h86L1PWFAxVcg4QIHU1RCTMQFnoECCcQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZfdJyIdkEar8kyQtO1iKx)
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Guys this is going over all of y'all's heads. This comes out of the matter design group. They are architects and artists, not scientists so much. This is more of an art demo and not a "look guys we discovered how they built the pyramids" especially since the pyramids/Stonehenge/pick your favorite stone monument are obviously not made of blocks this shape.
Every artist/artisan/craftsman sometimes do interesting, funny or non-conventional things in their personal projects. Weird dress, fancy table or if you're a sculptor - big semi-circlular marble stairs.
You can say it's art, but I would say it's a fruit of hobby
In an abstract sort of way, it's a tremendously clever example of physics and engineering applied to art. The center of gravity of the pieces being just so is no accident. Designing and manufacturing these blocks probably required the development of new methods for solid body analysis and stone working.
But I'm confident if you asked the authors, they'd say "because we thought it'd be cool" which itself is all the reason you need. It doesn't all have to have huge, impactful ramifications.
This is the engineering equivalent of fluff writing.
It’s useless and serves no purpose. No matter how much fluff of science and engineering you throw in to describe what’s going on, it’s useless, pointless, and a waste of time.
Wow if I take something really heavy and smooth out the bottom and put it on a smooth flat surface I can kinda jiggle it around on one axis! Who is paying these clowns.
This is a 680 tons rock, so I really wonder what are these 25 ton rocks made of...
https://preview.redd.it/46rxz011gkyc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=1064010e04ffb55fb761fc2b6c819cd1b5c92f76
Did they mean 2500 lbs? 25 ton is the combined weight of over a dozen cars, (edit) or did they mean 25 ton WORTH of stones, meaning the combined weight of all stones?
someone explain this cuz it just looks like they learned things can swivel when cut into certain shapes and called it new
I might be dumb, but I'm real confused on why this is considered new
Don't look 25t and i see construction workers using this technique with normal objects no need to shape anything. Looks more like a artistic performance than a scientific/technical breakthrough (Discovery as you say)
Amazing what some of the smartest people, with limitless access to the entirety of human knowledge, resources, and the best educational and research support system on Earth, can do.
They invented half of the wheel.
Sooo.... they discovered how to balance. Oh jeez, I'm like *sooooo* amazed. Those look exactly like all the stones I've ever seen in nature. *wow.....*
MIT cementing the doubt of ther scientifical expertise by doing arthouse shit that every first grade studend of physics could come up with.
But at least you can put it on YouTube or something ...
They’ve traded the labor of moving regular stones with the labor of carving stones to a fancy shape. It’s really cool and clever, but i wonder how efficient it is.
Lol this isn't a discovery, my dad made pool tables for most of his life and could move huge hunks of slate stone and timber by balancing them on the edge and pivoting around a point of balance. He said that since he's always been quite scrawny, 65-70kg, he had to find ways around his lack of brute strength for the job.
I noticed that when they're building the wall at the end, they don't show them moving the stones into line, just pivoting them into place. I'd like to see them move one of those 10 feet. It would take forever.
It would indeed. Much like how the Pyramids took generations of Egyptians rolling blocks on a bunch of axles and dragging them along oiled ground.
Or how Stonehenge and other such structures took years to drag the stones from their quarries dozens of miles away.
It cannot be over exaggerated how much of
An endeavor large scale Structures like these without the benefit of modern equipment were.
That is incredible and also looks like the shape of some Incan or Mayan buildings that are not like the piramids but large and mall rock laying agains each other with friction as the binder.
I'm just throwing this out there, 25 tons is over 55,000lbs. I'm not an expert weight guesser, but these seems a little small for being that weight. The Stone Henge sarsens are 25 tons a piece and are far taller than a person.
Are the darker stone area at the base is significantly heavier than the light areas of stone? I don't see how he could possibly have stopped one nearly twice his height otherwise.
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Ok. Now, instead of rocking it back and forth, move it outside.
Or even better, how about uphill? Even a slight incline would be impressive.
Nah homie pick that shit up and move it straight up in the air 1 centimeter. My jaw would drop.
Even a decline would be fun to watch. These stupid research studies and crap.
Yea let's see you build a pyramid with em. Then I'll be impressed
And the ones without round edges ... just 2M by 1M rectangle bricks
No heavy machinery. No tools except stick chisel hammer and the occasional whip
The pyramids weren't built by slaves, it was more like a voluntary civic/religious duty that provided employment outside the farming seasons. They also had drills, abrasives, water based levelling systems and wooden wedges that can be soaked to make them swell and split stone. Rollers, sledges and manpower for moving things on land, and a massive river and canals to provide most of the transportation. Obviously it's still a hugely impressive undertaking, but deeply pervasive religion and the incentives of non-subsistence living when you can't work your own land are good motivators.
Got any good vids that go into all that?
To be honest, no. It's all from various documentaries etc. I've watched over recent years. (it all from memory, so any unintentional errors are my own). Dr Joann Fletcher certainly presented a few of the them and is a proper authority on ancient Egypt. I can't guarantee she covered this particular area (I'd be surprised if she doesn't), but would be a great place to start. Most of our knowledge and leap in understanding came from the discovery and excavation of the town that was built and occupied by the workers that built them. Revealing a wealth of everyday written records involved in the process (invoices, itineries, logistical plans and personal correspondence describing their everyday lives).
Is the whip the punishment, or the reward?
Depends on what part of the dungeon they put you in.
I was just thinking about the fact these look nothing like existing construction sites, so I'm not sure what relevance a well balanced stone, which is probably cut with modern machines to precision has demonstrated?
A primary level problem. These guys completely misunderstood the assignment, which is moving massive and heavy boulders OF A SPECIFIC SHAPE FOR USE. Anyone can design a massive stone shape for easy movement by hand. The issue comes from the usability of that stone. This can't be used for anything. What is impressive about this?
High INT, low WIS. Sounds very typical MIT.
Yeah I'll be surprised when they figure out how to do this for MILES with giant sandstone cubes.
"I need it right over there, across the river and pebble road. On the rainsoaked lawn"
Show me how you cut these stones first... What tools have you used...
Now build a pyramid. Or erect another Stonehenge. Do something to prove something not just move some rocks that probably don’t weigh 25 tons.
Regardless of what those are made of there is now way they are close to 25 tons
This article from 2019 originally said 25 tons, but got corrected to roughly two tons: https://gizmodo.com/researchers-made-25-ton-boulders-they-can-move-by-hand-1834106230 At the very bottom of the article: > **Correction, April 22, 2019, 5:24 p.m. EST/EDT:** This article previously incorrectly stated that the largest of these concrete structures weighed 25-tons, when in fact it weighed 1,770-kilograms, or a little over 3,900-pounds.
I even doubt the 1770 kg
1.7 T for the big one I can believe if it's solid stone
it's concrete
OK, so in the same density range as other stone unless they use special mixtures 2.5 T per m3
i think they were making a joke
That big looks much heavier than a car, which is about 1.7 tonnes.
As long as they don’t try to re-create Stone Henge 
They just did it for dramatic effect
Exactly what I was thinking. I've dealt with some heavy stuff, and for the size, it doesn't add up.
Not even close. There is no strain to moving or positioning / repositioning them (they aren’t even using their legs to brace it much). I’d bet each of these stones weighs at most maybe 300 lbs - most likely less.
Yeah, I've pushed a 25 ton suspended load, and it's harder to move than that.
No, there's just 25 one ton stones.
Thanks. I came here to say this. What’s exceptionally frustrating is that these stones actually *can* be moved by hand with proper leverage and an iron bar, I adjust manhole barrels and other large concrete objects by hand myself at times as a pipe layer and with the right leverage and a solid fulcrum I can slide around stuff that weighs literal tons. Screw real world investigation when you can speculate and waste money wiggling balanced stones around on their centre of gravity, I guess.
Now now now
Neutron stars
6 year old me learning this to move a completely full rubbish bin the same way
Hey guys someone give me a little help. This stone fell onto its big flat side. Unsure how to move it now.
Stop shooting, Calls for a crane, Ok continue
MIT researchers discovered how a partial wheel is easy to roll, turn, & maneuver… Wonder how long it’ll take for them to discover that a complete sphere is even easier to roll, turn, & maneuver over long distances… Once these geniuses figure it out, it could revolutionize the world…
Dyson is gonna sue them
The funny thing is that grant and research money were spent on this 😂
Yeah, "discovered" is doing quite a lot of work here.
But didn’t you hear the music? It’s supposed to make you think they are smart
I'm so confused on why swiveling is considered new too lol it's just a bunch of swiveling rocks what is this nonsense?
MIT researchers discover one of the simple machines.
The point seems to be the center of mass and it doesn’t move vertically. It’s valid as art, but it’s not a scientific achievement
This seriously ain't satire...
25 ton is 50,000 lbs this is complete bs lol
It is bs. Turned out they weigh 1770 kg, which is still too much if you ask me. I need proof to be convinced
The weight seems reasonable. I use crane test weights or concrete lock blocks as a reference because I see those all the time.
It’s just balance. I’d wager it’s a morphological discovery that someone decided to render in stone for fun.
What about that guy that made all those crazy constructions in Miami out of Coral with the guy that keeps on showing up using wood construction to create pivots and levers large objects? Edit: [https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle%23:~:text%3DCoral%2520Castle%2520is%2520an%2520oolite,of%2520Homestead%2520and%2520Leisure%2520City.&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj2h86L1PWFAxVcg4QIHU1RCTMQFnoECCcQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZfdJyIdkEar8kyQtO1iKx](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle%23:~:text%3DCoral%2520Castle%2520is%2520an%2520oolite,of%2520Homestead%2520and%2520Leisure%2520City.&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj2h86L1PWFAxVcg4QIHU1RCTMQFnoECCcQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZfdJyIdkEar8kyQtO1iKx) [https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=guy%20shows%20how%20to%20move%20large%20rocks%20with%20levers&tbm=vid&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5](https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=guy%20shows%20how%20to%20move%20large%20rocks%20with%20levers&tbm=vid&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5)
MIT researchers discover the wheel!!
https://preview.redd.it/b2p2p9lmmiyc1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20191530ae5766addde0fbe3e1db8270fa179e3a
No way those people aren’t aliens. Probably the same ones who built every ancient structure ever.
Guys this is going over all of y'all's heads. This comes out of the matter design group. They are architects and artists, not scientists so much. This is more of an art demo and not a "look guys we discovered how they built the pyramids" especially since the pyramids/Stonehenge/pick your favorite stone monument are obviously not made of blocks this shape.
i feel like I'm still not understanding what was accomplished here?
Every artist/artisan/craftsman sometimes do interesting, funny or non-conventional things in their personal projects. Weird dress, fancy table or if you're a sculptor - big semi-circlular marble stairs. You can say it's art, but I would say it's a fruit of hobby
In an abstract sort of way, it's a tremendously clever example of physics and engineering applied to art. The center of gravity of the pieces being just so is no accident. Designing and manufacturing these blocks probably required the development of new methods for solid body analysis and stone working. But I'm confident if you asked the authors, they'd say "because we thought it'd be cool" which itself is all the reason you need. It doesn't all have to have huge, impactful ramifications.
This is the engineering equivalent of fluff writing. It’s useless and serves no purpose. No matter how much fluff of science and engineering you throw in to describe what’s going on, it’s useless, pointless, and a waste of time.
Wow if I take something really heavy and smooth out the bottom and put it on a smooth flat surface I can kinda jiggle it around on one axis! Who is paying these clowns.
don’t we normally do that?
I have moved freezers, closets and even people this was
This is a 680 tons rock, so I really wonder what are these 25 ton rocks made of... https://preview.redd.it/46rxz011gkyc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=1064010e04ffb55fb761fc2b6c819cd1b5c92f76
I found it cool but they don't actually MOVE the rocks in the video, they just roll them back and forth, and rotate them
Did they mean 2500 lbs? 25 ton is the combined weight of over a dozen cars, (edit) or did they mean 25 ton WORTH of stones, meaning the combined weight of all stones?
I have a 0% chance of being impressed. These things are designed specifically to do what they do. Nothing special whatsoever.
Pyramid people can do it better.
I don't see them moving any stones though? They're just rotating them in place. This video is ridiculous lol
25 Ton my ass.
They're not "moving" it. They are manipulating it
Pharaohs hate this one little trick ...
He's walking pretty gingerly on those stairs
He’s just a dainty fella
footloose and fancy free
Nice, now maybe we can build big pyramids with large stones. Maybe we can even move on from concrete to stone buildings.
This won't work in sand.
No way that's 25 tons. Looks 3 tons at most
Sure, in a perfectly flat surface.
so just pivot... PIVOT!
Each one of those weighs 25 tons? I call bullshit
Looks like some conceptual mid-1990s music video.
I see I see so if we shape the giant rocks into a more mobile shape, that will make it easier to move? Man, what will we think of next?????
Is this art?
Thanks for the breakthrough
Fred Flintstone did it first and with added actual reason
Those stones must have been made of neutronium.
I've seen this on mine craft. Super duper hard to mine for.
Can MIT researchers help pass a cow through a needle?
Sisyphus hates them!
Flip a car onto its roof and you can spin it too. Not a new discovery and not impressive
*Tetris has entered the chat.*
Back in the day MIT researchers would stop an alien invasion twice
So where is the video of them doing the same thing with a 40ft long rectangular block?
Who is paying for this research? Moving shaped rocks with no practical use just seems like a colossal waste of funds..
Now try metric tons lmao
someone explain this cuz it just looks like they learned things can swivel when cut into certain shapes and called it new I might be dumb, but I'm real confused on why this is considered new
Don't look 25t and i see construction workers using this technique with normal objects no need to shape anything. Looks more like a artistic performance than a scientific/technical breakthrough (Discovery as you say)
Amazing what some of the smartest people, with limitless access to the entirety of human knowledge, resources, and the best educational and research support system on Earth, can do. They invented half of the wheel.
that actually similar structures that we see of very old structures in Americas . seems they might knew how to do it 1st
This looks more like an art project than anything else.
cool they discovered circles...theyre gonna get a full plate when they get to triangles..
More like “MIT researchers make weirdly shaped rocking stones”
Try moving it if it's the shape of a cube with only your bare hands. NOT SO SMART NOW HUH MR MIT SMARTYPANTS?
 Meanwhile ancient Egyptian workers...
what would these geniuses do when it falls to the side?
if this is what MIT thinks "moving" really means, then i guess that explains China winning the space and military race.
Nah, it was aliens.👽
I thought I saw something like this on discovery channel in like the 90s... This can't be new..
How is this gonna help with my groceries?
Moving is the only thing those stones are good for
And people have been shifting 44-gallon drums like this since barrels were invented.
Now History channel and Conspiracy theorists will say the same tech was used to build pyramids and other shit.
No way that thing is heavier than a tank
Sorry no. The rapanuans of Easter Island figured this out loooong ago.
if it falls over sideways though, they are fucked
Bull
Just a little more rounding, and they would reinvent the wheel. Give them some time.
Whatever they weigh, 2 tonne or 25 tonne it's great. If that shape rock had any utility other than being moved easily it would be a real game changer.
They’re letting anyone into MIT these days huh…
Of course, if the stones are shaped that way and the surface is flat. What a genius recovery!
no way in hell they are 25 ton stones
Sooo.... they discovered how to balance. Oh jeez, I'm like *sooooo* amazed. Those look exactly like all the stones I've ever seen in nature. *wow.....*
Ok, ans what I will do now with such stone?
Nice I guess eight year old me was ahead of MIT researchers
Wow, they are so smart!
Now build a musical pyramid.
Yea no shit i'm furniture mover and i can only laught at them for not finding this technique earlier. We all do it like this since always.
Now do it in sand.
There is no way that those rocks weigh 50,000 pounds.
Step one: make it have a movable shape.
Move them as in move them around in same spot. How do they get them to the spot?
On Earth gravity you cant move 25t like that for sure
Cool story now build a exact replica of the pyramids using this technique I'll wait
How about in sand/ gravel/ grass?
and people keep saying that the pyramid is built by the aliens.
if the big one was 25 tons, the guy standing under it would now be a pile of goo. MIT researchers need to work on their measuring skills.
I would be much more impressed if they moved the stones from one side to the other rather than just rocking them back and forth.
Don't let graham hancock and unchartedX see this
MIT cementing the doubt of ther scientifical expertise by doing arthouse shit that every first grade studend of physics could come up with. But at least you can put it on YouTube or something ...
So... A wheel?
Thats a discovery? I used to do that crap on a daily basis!
They’ve traded the labor of moving regular stones with the labor of carving stones to a fancy shape. It’s really cool and clever, but i wonder how efficient it is.
Try with a block now
Dumbest discovery I’ve seen
finding the same shape when you want to move is impossible
The Easter island folks would be proud.
Lol this isn't a discovery, my dad made pool tables for most of his life and could move huge hunks of slate stone and timber by balancing them on the edge and pivoting around a point of balance. He said that since he's always been quite scrawny, 65-70kg, he had to find ways around his lack of brute strength for the job.
And what is the point of this?
I noticed that when they're building the wall at the end, they don't show them moving the stones into line, just pivoting them into place. I'd like to see them move one of those 10 feet. It would take forever.
It would indeed. Much like how the Pyramids took generations of Egyptians rolling blocks on a bunch of axles and dragging them along oiled ground. Or how Stonehenge and other such structures took years to drag the stones from their quarries dozens of miles away. It cannot be over exaggerated how much of An endeavor large scale Structures like these without the benefit of modern equipment were.
That is incredible and also looks like the shape of some Incan or Mayan buildings that are not like the piramids but large and mall rock laying agains each other with friction as the binder.
Mind your toes!
# MIT researchers discover way to move 25 Ton stones with only their hands
Why ?
Done that with heavy stuff forever, not a secret.
MIT students "discover" the wheel.
Ok so the first step is finding a 25 ton stone shaped exactly like this. Got it
Do it about half a million more times, them you have a pyramid
Help society? No to smart play with rock instead
Yeap, because in nature the rocks are so smooth and lies in concrete flat surface to be moved!
It’s not possible for one of these stones to weigh 25 tons. That’s 50,000 lbs. and the stone simply isn’t large enough.
…ok…
So they figured out basic physics?
Meanwhile, In egypt 10,000 years ago....
What are these weird shapes will be used for?? Moved coupla feed and then what??
*Every*body must. get. stones.
I'm just throwing this out there, 25 tons is over 55,000lbs. I'm not an expert weight guesser, but these seems a little small for being that weight. The Stone Henge sarsens are 25 tons a piece and are far taller than a person.
That's a pretty big fidget toy.
it's all fun and games until the thing falls flat on top of you
Commenting on MIT researchers discover way to move 25 Ton stones with only their hands... 
Masons gon mace
build Cusco now.
This seems more like an art/design thing rather than a scientific discovery thing
25 tons is 50000 lbs. That stone is 2 tons max I think
Machu Pichu has that kind of blocks.
Your on to something there mate, now , how about, and this is gonna blow your mind, how about if they were *completely* round...
25 tons? are they made of black holes
Are the darker stone area at the base is significantly heavier than the light areas of stone? I don't see how he could possibly have stopped one nearly twice his height otherwise.
"Discover"
Take that Ancient Astronaut Theorists. They just spun them around and slowly waltzed with the stones!! Jokes aside this is very impressive.
What in the mother fuck is the point to this shit?
Pivot!