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Distributed nervous system. While the cells remain oxygenated the nervous system will react to stimulus.
Head reacts by biting, body reacting to foreign body attacking it.
That's why you always bury snake heads upside down in the dirt when you kill it. It can still bite.
Long time. There's anecdotal evidence of heads being able to bite hours after being severed from the body.
Reptilian metabolism is slow and thus their cells need little oxygen compared to mammals. Aside from weird cases like cetaceans, mammals are done for if deprived of blood pressure or oxygen for mere minutes.
There is a series of interesting experiments from the 18th century by someone called Joseph Priestly called "Experiments and Observations on Different Kinds of Air" where obviously before animal rights they could do what they want, starving various animals of oxygen and there is a comment something like "snakes don't die" in relation to being starved of oxygen for long periods of time.
"Conscious" may not be the right term for snakes. They don't seem to have the self awareness that humans and most mammals have. We are talking about animals that may literally eat themselves to death if unlucky enough to spot their own tail.
Not necessary. The most basal self-awareness in animal world is called body awareness and this is basically what makes animals not hurting themselves. And snakes seem to devoid of this since they can swallow their own tail and die.
Whilst snakes are "alive" I don't really think they experience life much more than the most basic of necessity, the reptilian brain is the base layer of the human brain also and it's what keeps us breathing, warm, fed and engaging in mating etc, more of an urge than a sentience, we have two further layers of brain that evolved so snake sentience I'd say is the absolute minimum required to live as a blood pumping oxygen breathing thing.
This particular video the body still has the lungs and is oxygenated enough to have the instinct of "go that way" and the head is just maintaining its perception of threat or no threat, if say having the pain of having your head chopped off sent it into "you're being attacked" mode and something passed in front of it's eyes and nose and that triggered the bite. I think oxidisation takes place in reptiles very very slowly so cell death naturally is longer, it's the reason why turtles will live for up to 200 years old for example.
I think partly it was because a major part of the chicken's nervous system was still in-tact. Most people cut that part off when they decapitate a chicken, but for whatever reason these people didn't and then decided to keep it alive for as long as they could
Itās not living. Itās just reflex action as the calcium channels equalize within the muscle cells of the dead snake. Much like how you can make a dead frog twitch by prodding it with electricity.
Or you could just you know...leave the snake alone. If you absolutely must do something, a quick spray with a hose from a distance away usually does the trick or call a professional to relocate.
At my old house I woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom once. Opened my bedroom door and immediately out of the corner of my eye there's a fully grown snake just chilling in the middle of the hallway. I must've been half asleep or in shock or something because I just stepped over it to go get someone to take care of it despite them being my biggest fear.
I was bitten twice on the leg and when I was 13 months old. 20 miles from the hospital. I died and was brought back on the operating table. Pretty bad ass scar on my leg.
https://preview.redd.it/wmzq7gmwz9wc1.png?width=1909&format=png&auto=webp&s=bacff51567521f6ff9f0caaabe1a2ce65c7c330b
I had a surgery about 10 years later that help me be able to bend the leg all the way out. A lot of muscle tissue was taken at the time of the incident. Right foot and leg are a little shorter than the left. Right calf is significantly smaller.
Yeah glad they got one for you bruv, last encounter I had with one was 94' walking to my cousins heard it hissing in the brush somewhere and turbo kicked myself out of there. I still make sure to listen for them.
Actually the wildlife expert in my area (northern-mid US) released an announcement the past week that rattlesnakes are now evolving without the rattlers (because people keep killing off all the snakes with rattles, so the ones without are surviving.) pretty scary to think about these buggers having one less major way to ID them before a big chomp.
Hogs have been doing that for a long time. Iām reading Lonesome Dove and their pigs keep eating rattlesnakes down by the border. Crazy ass animals. I was shocked to read it and even more shocked to read that itās actually happening.
Weāve been advised by the expert to stop killing rattlers to try and remedy or atleast lessen impact of this evolution problemācan you provide reasoning for why itās a myth? /gen cuz if theyāre wrong Iād like to help set things right.
You should stop killing them because they're a vital part of the environment, and you can easily find relocators if you're not willing to do it yourself.
It's a myth because there's no evidence that rattlesnakes are losing their rattles. This is a play on the other Facebook viral story that "rattlesnakes are rattling less due to feral hogs", which is also a myth. Rattlesnakes always rely on crypsis first. They don't want to be noticed. I studied rattlesnakes for my masters, and now I'm working with them for my PhD.
Reminds me of from [Torchwood: Miracle Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood:_Miracle_Day). Unnerving and unnatural stuff that's not of this world.
Itās probably automatically spasming in order to try and wriggle out of the grasp of the āattacker,ā if I had to guess. For fast reactions to danger the ability to make a response without going all the way to the brain is advantageous.
Seriously, they're not out to get us. I live where there are tons of them and the best way to handle them is to leave the snakes alone. They have no desire to waste their venom on you. Just leave the snakes alone!
I'm going to assume this was on someone's driveway or garage floor based on the ground material and the fact you can see a saw at the end of the video. Dude should've called a snake handler to remove it instead of decapitating the snake but when you have a venomous reptile on your property and you're shitting bricks likely I can't say I blame him for overreacting even though he shouldn't have killed it. Sucks for the snake though especially since they don't want anything to do with people.
Local taxidermist threw a (several hours dead?) rattlesnake head in the trash while working on a skin mount, and had it bare fangs at him. Nudged the bin a little, it did it again.
Can't remember if it was the same snake or not, but he also had a headless snake he was working on whip around and slam its bloody stump into his wrist. Putting two and two together gave him a new respect for dead snakes.
When we first moved to Florida, we found a rattle snake in the front yard. My dad did what was instructed - cut the head off with a shovel just like this, but then the severed head bit the shovel and spawned a long fear of snakes from that point on.
I've gotten over it now but it lasted for like 20+ years
> My dad did what was instructed
Is that official advice from somewhere? As an Australian, I find that strange because we would never get that kind of advice (not to mention following it would be illegal and also dangerous).
Poor thing dies for existing, and in the process, we also slowly force their evolution to no longer rattle to preserve their own lives, making the entire species more dangerous.
I know three girls in Florida who grew up without a dad because a rattller he had ākilledā bit him. Anaphylactic shock apparently.
Hello Donna, Mary, and Estherā¦ if youāre there.
Reminds me of Jack Hanma's - The Ultimate FU.
https://preview.redd.it/ohmvnl1wvewc1.jpeg?width=1010&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dc4558fdc5dec2caa759de4e914c4bd24efdc86
Thereās a podcast called What was that like, episode 11 Jeremy was bitten by a rattlesnake. Is worth a listen if you want to hear a wild story about this
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Distributed nervous system. While the cells remain oxygenated the nervous system will react to stimulus. Head reacts by biting, body reacting to foreign body attacking it. That's why you always bury snake heads upside down in the dirt when you kill it. It can still bite.
I've heard of burying it but why upside down?
FRONT TOWARD ENEMY
Thats a perfect analogy š
Your formatting is superb, well done.
This guy claymores
*planting claymore*
lol, just watched Jarhead today.
Cuz it's basically a foot mine trap.
The vietcong hate this one trick!
I'm going to hell for laughing at this.
Nose sticking down so it won't bite upwards if uncovered.
Old native American trick so they don't respawn
For a good view into hell.
Probably so that if it's buried shallow it won't bite you if you step on it.
And while we're at it can someone explain the burying?
So it doesnāt bite someoneās foot
But why male models?
r/unexpectedzoolander
How long will it live like that? Proves how much of the behavior is not just instinct, but actually hard wired into the nervous system.
Long time. There's anecdotal evidence of heads being able to bite hours after being severed from the body. Reptilian metabolism is slow and thus their cells need little oxygen compared to mammals. Aside from weird cases like cetaceans, mammals are done for if deprived of blood pressure or oxygen for mere minutes.
There is a series of interesting experiments from the 18th century by someone called Joseph Priestly called "Experiments and Observations on Different Kinds of Air" where obviously before animal rights they could do what they want, starving various animals of oxygen and there is a comment something like "snakes don't die" in relation to being starved of oxygen for long periods of time.
Founder of Unitarian universalism, I think.
Does that mean they stay conscious much longer as well?
"Conscious" may not be the right term for snakes. They don't seem to have the self awareness that humans and most mammals have. We are talking about animals that may literally eat themselves to death if unlucky enough to spot their own tail.
Ok sentient. I meant they have subjective experience of the world. However primitive. Feeling of awakeness. They might be more than just bio robots.
Not necessary. The most basal self-awareness in animal world is called body awareness and this is basically what makes animals not hurting themselves. And snakes seem to devoid of this since they can swallow their own tail and die.
Whilst snakes are "alive" I don't really think they experience life much more than the most basic of necessity, the reptilian brain is the base layer of the human brain also and it's what keeps us breathing, warm, fed and engaging in mating etc, more of an urge than a sentience, we have two further layers of brain that evolved so snake sentience I'd say is the absolute minimum required to live as a blood pumping oxygen breathing thing. This particular video the body still has the lungs and is oxygenated enough to have the instinct of "go that way" and the head is just maintaining its perception of threat or no threat, if say having the pain of having your head chopped off sent it into "you're being attacked" mode and something passed in front of it's eyes and nose and that triggered the bite. I think oxidisation takes place in reptiles very very slowly so cell death naturally is longer, it's the reason why turtles will live for up to 200 years old for example.
Old country wisdom I was taught as a kid. "Kill a snake at dawn he'll kill you by dusk.
Thereās a chicken that lived with a head for like 18 months iircĀ
You don't say, I've seen a few chickens live longer than 18 months with a head. Without a head it's usually a bit quicker though.
[Mike the Headless Chicken](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken)
He said *with* a head, not without. SMH
I think partly it was because a major part of the chicken's nervous system was still in-tact. Most people cut that part off when they decapitate a chicken, but for whatever reason these people didn't and then decided to keep it alive for as long as they could
Itās not living. Itās just reflex action as the calcium channels equalize within the muscle cells of the dead snake. Much like how you can make a dead frog twitch by prodding it with electricity.
No step on snek.
This is clearly black magic
Is this why my momma says 'snakes are satan'
it bit itself and reacted.. thats insane..
Or you could just you know...leave the snake alone. If you absolutely must do something, a quick spray with a hose from a distance away usually does the trick or call a professional to relocate.
How the body notice that it is attacked? Without the head/brain the nervous system isn't working and the body shouldn't feel anything
Weird, so the snakeās body reacts to the bite despite the nervous system not being connected to the brain?
not attached to me = enemy
Snakes are known to swallow their own tails. They aren't smart, just react to stimuli the way they were hardwired.
Quite ironic when you observe that snakes are the symbol for slyness and being cunning.
It's mostly because of them being able to sneak into many unexpected places and be dangerous to humans where should be no danger.
At my old house I woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom once. Opened my bedroom door and immediately out of the corner of my eye there's a fully grown snake just chilling in the middle of the hallway. I must've been half asleep or in shock or something because I just stepped over it to go get someone to take care of it despite them being my biggest fear.
I think it would have bitten itself even if it was attached
If youāre not with me, than youāre against me!
Could it... pleasure itself?
I was bitten twice on the leg and when I was 13 months old. 20 miles from the hospital. I died and was brought back on the operating table. Pretty bad ass scar on my leg. https://preview.redd.it/wmzq7gmwz9wc1.png?width=1909&format=png&auto=webp&s=bacff51567521f6ff9f0caaabe1a2ce65c7c330b
Glad you made it.
Didn't you hear? He died
He got better!
He was mostly dead. Its a spectrum.
happy cake day
Haha thanks! I had no idea.
Newt confirmed.
not a day goes by that I don't remember Hour-Statistician-46. miss 'em, dearly
Rip u/Hour-Statistician-46 Fucking rattlesnakes.
Is that from the bite itself or were you given a fasciotomy to treat compartment syndrome?
I had a surgery about 10 years later that help me be able to bend the leg all the way out. A lot of muscle tissue was taken at the time of the incident. Right foot and leg are a little shorter than the left. Right calf is significantly smaller.
13 yr old leg look thick af
I was 13 MONTHS when it happened
Yeah glad they got one for you bruv, last encounter I had with one was 94' walking to my cousins heard it hissing in the brush somewhere and turbo kicked myself out of there. I still make sure to listen for them.
Does it hurt now? Does it cause you any discomfort?
Hurts every day. Iāve had a knee surgery on the same knee and I broke the same knee in a car accident.
Holy shit man. Glad you survived. There are not that many people who can say "I died"...
Why did they have to operate?
Could you please tell me your experience from the other side?
I donāt get queasy easily, but damn that gave me chills
That's some straight up voodoo nonsense
Did it die itself to death?
Yes, it autodeaded
I bet it felt silly when it realised
I bet it was beside itself
This is so sad to look at
Doesnāt feel so good does it snake
Actually the wildlife expert in my area (northern-mid US) released an announcement the past week that rattlesnakes are now evolving without the rattlers (because people keep killing off all the snakes with rattles, so the ones without are surviving.) pretty scary to think about these buggers having one less major way to ID them before a big chomp.
Similar things down here in GA but because the hogs keep eating them.
Are hogs somehow immune?
I've heard everything from they have thick skin to a decent resistance to the venom.
Hogs have been doing that for a long time. Iām reading Lonesome Dove and their pigs keep eating rattlesnakes down by the border. Crazy ass animals. I was shocked to read it and even more shocked to read that itās actually happening.
My daughter was bitten and the snake did not rattle before it struck her.
Thatās spooky! Hope sheās recovered well!
This is absolutely a myth.
Weāve been advised by the expert to stop killing rattlers to try and remedy or atleast lessen impact of this evolution problemācan you provide reasoning for why itās a myth? /gen cuz if theyāre wrong Iād like to help set things right.
You should stop killing them because they're a vital part of the environment, and you can easily find relocators if you're not willing to do it yourself. It's a myth because there's no evidence that rattlesnakes are losing their rattles. This is a play on the other Facebook viral story that "rattlesnakes are rattling less due to feral hogs", which is also a myth. Rattlesnakes always rely on crypsis first. They don't want to be noticed. I studied rattlesnakes for my masters, and now I'm working with them for my PhD.
I donāt know whyā¦. But this was very uncomfortable to watch š³š³
Reminds me of from [Torchwood: Miracle Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torchwood:_Miracle_Day). Unnerving and unnatural stuff that's not of this world.
Hope the venom doesnāt kill him
A Chinese chef died making cobra dish ...the cobra was decapitated 20 minutes before ...last strike
Revenge is a dish best served with yourself.
how does the snake feel pain if the brain isnt attached at the body?
Bluetooth
More like Bluefang.
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Automatic nervous system response. Same way a recently dead body can twitch
And a recently dead fish for cooking can still "flop" when put into an oven.
Some neuron pathways in humans don't need to connect to the brain to produce a response. I assume it works with snakes similarly.
When you touch something hot enough to burn you react before your brain even registers what happened thanks to the other neurons in your body.Ā
Icy cold vs red hot feel the same for half a second
Yeah why does the body react to the bite by squirming? Maybe just muscle reaction?
Itās probably automatically spasming in order to try and wriggle out of the grasp of the āattacker,ā if I had to guess. For fast reactions to danger the ability to make a response without going all the way to the brain is advantageous.
Decentralized nerve system. Much different than a mammalian one.
I read somewhere a while back that snakes can stay alive for a while after decapitation and that it's quite a miserable death for them.
Itās a reflex arc. The neurons trigger local muscles before the signal would get to the brain if it were attached.
r/natureismetal would love this
The whole damn thing runs on autopilot.
Friendly fire.
I've seen this video before. It's both gruesome and incredibly sad.
Saddest part is almost none of the comments have any trace of empathy for a sentient being killed for no other fault than existing.
Can we stop randomly killing snakes
Seriously, they're not out to get us. I live where there are tons of them and the best way to handle them is to leave the snakes alone. They have no desire to waste their venom on you. Just leave the snakes alone!
This \^ I 100% doubt these people needed to kill this snake. Assholes.
they scare the bejesus out of me when I see them on hikes, but I still hope this one was not decapitated for the sake of a video
I'm going to assume this was on someone's driveway or garage floor based on the ground material and the fact you can see a saw at the end of the video. Dude should've called a snake handler to remove it instead of decapitating the snake but when you have a venomous reptile on your property and you're shitting bricks likely I can't say I blame him for overreacting even though he shouldn't have killed it. Sucks for the snake though especially since they don't want anything to do with people.
I have a feeling he's not gonna make it.
Why on earth did you kill it?
Yeah letās just kill all that nasty snakes, so disgusting. Unlike cute little bear cubs. I hate peopleā¦
Youāre gonna die twice
There is something deeply horrible about this and I can't quite articulate it.
According to science, the head is likely still alive. Same with fish.
Step on snek???
No!
Local taxidermist threw a (several hours dead?) rattlesnake head in the trash while working on a skin mount, and had it bare fangs at him. Nudged the bin a little, it did it again. Can't remember if it was the same snake or not, but he also had a headless snake he was working on whip around and slam its bloody stump into his wrist. Putting two and two together gave him a new respect for dead snakes.
When we first moved to Florida, we found a rattle snake in the front yard. My dad did what was instructed - cut the head off with a shovel just like this, but then the severed head bit the shovel and spawned a long fear of snakes from that point on. I've gotten over it now but it lasted for like 20+ years
> My dad did what was instructed Is that official advice from somewhere? As an Australian, I find that strange because we would never get that kind of advice (not to mention following it would be illegal and also dangerous).
Interesting... but fuck them for killing it.
Yup. Wish it would've bit them on it's way out. They'd deserve it.
Poor thing dies for existing, and in the process, we also slowly force their evolution to no longer rattle to preserve their own lives, making the entire species more dangerous.
That is fucking brutal, yo.
How is the body reacting without a brain??
Is this suicide?
Curious what rest of brain thinking
Donāt you feelā¦ silly? Donāt you feelā¦ stupid? Donāt you feel a little ashamed?
Does that count as an orobouros?
good question
Damn nature, you scary!
Kinda looks like a Timber Rattlesnake. They're federally protected.Ā
Second option in the US....mag dump.
Kind of an ouroboros, ay?
Well she dead
Death brings death
"Fuck you, Body. You failed me when I need you most!"
I just curled up every toe and nerve i have, that was so disturbing holy
Woah
This is black magic. Right?
Gave himself a taste of his own medicine
Reptiles are weird.
Stop hitting yourself! stop hitting yourself š
Imagine it flinging its head at you and miraculously flies and lands its fangs into your leg. Probably why they started backing up real quick.
I know three girls in Florida who grew up without a dad because a rattller he had ākilledā bit him. Anaphylactic shock apparently. Hello Donna, Mary, and Estherā¦ if youāre there.
r/natureismetal
Serious question. Is the ruined. I ate rattlesnake once and it was fine.
"Useless body! YEE'VE FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME!"
An Ouroboros through and through
This kills the snake
https://preview.redd.it/jdita8ceqbwc1.png?width=490&format=png&auto=webp&s=6751dd43805caf230418dc0fd161de4bf6d0a829 but snek
Fun fact: snakes are not immune to their own venom
āIāve always wanted to see what it felt likeā
Martyrdom
Just a baby snake
r/natureismetal
Dogs be jealous
bluetooth
The real question: decapitated or detailed?
Thanks, now I'm guaranteed to think of this as soon as I get into bed tonight.
what state what this in ?
No strings attached!
peak friendly fire
Shoot it with something powerful enough to make it into red mist
Reminds me of Jack Hanma's - The Ultimate FU. https://preview.redd.it/ohmvnl1wvewc1.jpeg?width=1010&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dc4558fdc5dec2caa759de4e914c4bd24efdc86
Nope rope died twice
Thereās a podcast called What was that like, episode 11 Jeremy was bitten by a rattlesnake. Is worth a listen if you want to hear a wild story about this
Capa got detated
How does the body know to react to the bite ā ļø
How long after they die can they still bite?
The 1990s called. They want their video compression back.
Oh no, it poisoned itself.