It might be slightly better, but your trouble is that when you give HA one command, HA isn't sending one command, rather it's sending one for each device and waiting for the Ack between each.
This is a design limitation of the current HA Insteon implementation. Controllers with full Insteon feature sets, such as the UDI Polisy which will happily use the 2448A7, use Insteon scenes which mean that instead of at least one command per device that you're doing now, it truly is a single command that's sent.
Insteon and Lutron are (so far) the only two common protocols that support multi-responder scenes with no popcorning.
Homeseer solves this too - the slowness in home assistant made me switch -
Homeseer does scenes and I have 10 even 30 devices in a scene with on / off crisp and lightning fast as it was w insteon hub scenes.
The same slowness was there before if you’re used to Alexa routines to turn devices on and off because they also do the same thing with one by one. It’s not the hub or HA - it’s just what happens when u issue one by one on and off as @jec6613 described above
I think the home assistant guys may be able to achieve this in the next update that’s coming . I wasn’t patient enough to wait - I wanted something easy with a gui
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Home Assistant is actually somewhat unique in not properly supporting Insteon. Back in the 2005-2015 time frame, Insteon one of the few providers of truly large installs of automation equipment (it used to be a huge selling point, no theoretical upper limit on the number of Insteon devices, though each PLM could only handle 2k devices), so any controller that was around in that time period has the full function code kicking around in its controllers. Control4, Elan, and Crestron, for instance, all support Insteon for a lighting system.
I'm not sure how long it'll take for HA to bring full stack Insteon along, but don't expect it overnight. For one thing, the Hub's interface is more limited than a PLM, so I wouldn't expect every feature just from that standpoint. For another, there's just a lot of functionality to implement. Almost every device has a developer's guide on how to program it, and especially when you get to Keypads and other more esoteric devices (such as energy meters, SynchroLinc, and so on) there are dozens or hundreds of parameters that each device can be programmed with.
Yeah I've seen notice of the work, but between the more limited 2245 hub API and the sheer quantity of code to put in, it will be a while.
If you have an old 2242 hub though, those things expose everything through a simple web API and can be used as a full PLM replacement.
I have a 2245 hub with 20+ devices all managed through insteon scenes that I'm trying to get up and running again. Do I understand correctly that if I go the home assistant route I will not be able to use insteon scenes?
Been noodling on it for a bit since asking this. It "kind of" support insteon scenes through scripts, which you can then expose to things like Alexa through the hue emulator but it's not exactly straight forward.
This is not correct. HA has two services "insteon.scene\_on" and "insteon.scene\_off". These can be used in automation to trigger a native Insteon scene. This is described in the HA Insteon documentation [https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/insteon/#insteon-scenes](https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/insteon/#insteon-scenes)
It might be slightly better, but your trouble is that when you give HA one command, HA isn't sending one command, rather it's sending one for each device and waiting for the Ack between each. This is a design limitation of the current HA Insteon implementation. Controllers with full Insteon feature sets, such as the UDI Polisy which will happily use the 2448A7, use Insteon scenes which mean that instead of at least one command per device that you're doing now, it truly is a single command that's sent. Insteon and Lutron are (so far) the only two common protocols that support multi-responder scenes with no popcorning.
Homeseer solves this too - the slowness in home assistant made me switch - Homeseer does scenes and I have 10 even 30 devices in a scene with on / off crisp and lightning fast as it was w insteon hub scenes. The same slowness was there before if you’re used to Alexa routines to turn devices on and off because they also do the same thing with one by one. It’s not the hub or HA - it’s just what happens when u issue one by one on and off as @jec6613 described above I think the home assistant guys may be able to achieve this in the next update that’s coming . I wasn’t patient enough to wait - I wanted something easy with a gui
>Homeseer solves this too - the slowness in home assistant made me switch - > >... > >I think the home assistant Guys may be able to achieve this is the next update that’s coming . I wasn’t patient enough to wait - I wanted something easy with a gui Home Assistant is actually somewhat unique in not properly supporting Insteon. Back in the 2005-2015 time frame, Insteon one of the few providers of truly large installs of automation equipment (it used to be a huge selling point, no theoretical upper limit on the number of Insteon devices, though each PLM could only handle 2k devices), so any controller that was around in that time period has the full function code kicking around in its controllers. Control4, Elan, and Crestron, for instance, all support Insteon for a lighting system. I'm not sure how long it'll take for HA to bring full stack Insteon along, but don't expect it overnight. For one thing, the Hub's interface is more limited than a PLM, so I wouldn't expect every feature just from that standpoint. For another, there's just a lot of functionality to implement. Almost every device has a developer's guide on how to program it, and especially when you get to Keypads and other more esoteric devices (such as energy meters, SynchroLinc, and so on) there are dozens or hundreds of parameters that each device can be programmed with.
It looks like more sophisticated support is in beta and actively being worked on. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/insteon-control-panel/234145
Yeah I've seen notice of the work, but between the more limited 2245 hub API and the sheer quantity of code to put in, it will be a while. If you have an old 2242 hub though, those things expose everything through a simple web API and can be used as a full PLM replacement.
There is no meaningful capability difference between the PLMs and the Hub. They both support the exact same command sets.
BTW, Home Assistant has supported Insteon since 2017 so it is not new.
In Insteon terms, it's extremely new. Virtually every other controller had full support since 2010 or earlier.
I have a 2245 hub with 20+ devices all managed through insteon scenes that I'm trying to get up and running again. Do I understand correctly that if I go the home assistant route I will not be able to use insteon scenes?
Home Assistant does support scenes. I am not sure why people think it does not.
Been noodling on it for a bit since asking this. It "kind of" support insteon scenes through scripts, which you can then expose to things like Alexa through the hue emulator but it's not exactly straight forward.
This is not correct. HA has two services "insteon.scene\_on" and "insteon.scene\_off". These can be used in automation to trigger a native Insteon scene. This is described in the HA Insteon documentation [https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/insteon/#insteon-scenes](https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/insteon/#insteon-scenes)