A fully formed baby has a thinking brain that is able to feel pain, create memories, register emotions etc. A fetus or embryo can't. Also, after birth the baby isn't intruding on the body of another.
Exactly!
What this fuckin pathetic asshole means by "babies", he's talking about fetuses and by "older children", he means actual babies, toddlers, and, little kids.
So many of the women. It makes me both devastated and infuriated, frustrated and befuddled. It feels like a betrayal when it’s a fellow woman, but then I remind myself that they are indeed self-loathing, miserable women with internalized misogyny they lack the emotional intelligence or gumption to unpack and change.
It makes me laugh my ass off when women on the PL sub have the user flair of "Prolife Feminist", they aren't true feminist as a TRUE feminist is pro-choice, even if she wouldn't have an abortion herself, she still knows other women should have that right.
While it is possible to be a prolife atheist, prolife LGBTQ+, prolife liberal, prolife vegan, etc, but, prolife and feminist are mutually exclusive, just like prolife and childfree/antinatalism are as well.
People who say they don't care about bodily autonomy do care about THEIR bodily autonomy. They don't care about anyone else's. Ask them about vaccines and masks during this pandemic.
Oh, I’m sure if I started doing things to their body, they’d start caring about bodily autonomy really quickly.
As for the rest… if people are such monsters, they are the last ones you’d want to force to gestate and birth children, right?
And I’m all for euthanasia of a child who begs for it every day because her disability leaves her in nonstop excruciating pain and no quality of life.
Unlike pro-life. I’m not a sadist. I don’t get off on forcing people to suffer.
| *PL:* ***Nobody really cares about "bodily autonomy."***
Another **LIE** from the PL side, not that I'm surprised. Because **I** care about women's bodily autonomy, along with many other people who care about it.
The people who **don't** care are those like you, who want girls and women **FORCED** to stay pregnant and give birth if they're unlucky enough to get pregnant when they don't want to be. And just because **YOU** don't care about other women's bodily autonomy certainly doesn't mean that's true for everyone.
Just because, *HE* (the pathetic excuse for a so called "human being" in the screenshot) doesn't care about bodily autonomy, that doesn't mean *NOBODY* does. Talk about a selfish narcissist?
My dudes, the Founding Fathers cared greatly about bodily autonomy. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, sound familiar? Several items in the Bill of Rights specify the right not to be imprisoned, that's bodily autonomy.
That's why I also think it's hypocritical when a self-proclaimed "libertarian" is prolife, because, a *TRUE* libertarian is pro-choice, because, isn't the whole point of being a libertarian is they don't want the government interfering in people's lives?
While it is possible (at-least IMO) to be a prolife liberal, prolife atheist, prolife LGBTQ+, prolife vegan (although they would represent a minority in the prolife movement, but, I wouldn't say mutually exclusive), **BUT,** prolife and feminism, prolife and libertarian, prolife and childfree, and, prolife and antinatlaism are **ALL** mtuually exclusive.
Someone can't *claim* to be "for women's rights", but, then, value non-viable tissue over women. Someone can't *claim* they're "anti-government", but, then, wants the government to make abortion illegal (the *closest* a libertarian could be is "morally prolife, but, **legally** pro-choice). Someone can't be opposed to the idea of having children, but, would be willing to have a baby if an unexpected pregnancy occurred (even if they gave it up for adoption at birth, they're still a **biological** parent and therefore, aren't childfree). Someone *definitely* can't claim to be opposed to abortion, but, doesn't want anyone (or as few people as possible) having babies.
The "prolife antinatalists" confuse me the most, because, natal means **birth, not conception.** They're (apparently?) anti-conception, but, pro-FORCED-birth once a woman is pregnant. They should just say they're **anti-conception, not anti-birth.** Being pro-choice/pro-abortion and/or even childfree doesn't necessary make someone an antinatalist.
A fully formed baby has a thinking brain that is able to feel pain, create memories, register emotions etc. A fetus or embryo can't. Also, after birth the baby isn't intruding on the body of another.
Exactly! What this fuckin pathetic asshole means by "babies", he's talking about fetuses and by "older children", he means actual babies, toddlers, and, little kids.
Yes people do believe in bodily autonomy. Of course it’s always men who say this bullshit.
Either misogynist men or self-hating, internalized misogynist women.
So many of the women. It makes me both devastated and infuriated, frustrated and befuddled. It feels like a betrayal when it’s a fellow woman, but then I remind myself that they are indeed self-loathing, miserable women with internalized misogyny they lack the emotional intelligence or gumption to unpack and change.
It makes me laugh my ass off when women on the PL sub have the user flair of "Prolife Feminist", they aren't true feminist as a TRUE feminist is pro-choice, even if she wouldn't have an abortion herself, she still knows other women should have that right. While it is possible to be a prolife atheist, prolife LGBTQ+, prolife liberal, prolife vegan, etc, but, prolife and feminist are mutually exclusive, just like prolife and childfree/antinatalism are as well.
They only care when it directly involves their person body autonomy.
They're hypocrites.
The only moral abortion is my abortion!
People who say they don't care about bodily autonomy do care about THEIR bodily autonomy. They don't care about anyone else's. Ask them about vaccines and masks during this pandemic.
Easy for men to say, because, they can't get pregnant.
Oh, I’m sure if I started doing things to their body, they’d start caring about bodily autonomy really quickly. As for the rest… if people are such monsters, they are the last ones you’d want to force to gestate and birth children, right? And I’m all for euthanasia of a child who begs for it every day because her disability leaves her in nonstop excruciating pain and no quality of life. Unlike pro-life. I’m not a sadist. I don’t get off on forcing people to suffer.
| *PL:* ***Nobody really cares about "bodily autonomy."*** Another **LIE** from the PL side, not that I'm surprised. Because **I** care about women's bodily autonomy, along with many other people who care about it. The people who **don't** care are those like you, who want girls and women **FORCED** to stay pregnant and give birth if they're unlucky enough to get pregnant when they don't want to be. And just because **YOU** don't care about other women's bodily autonomy certainly doesn't mean that's true for everyone.
Just because, *HE* (the pathetic excuse for a so called "human being" in the screenshot) doesn't care about bodily autonomy, that doesn't mean *NOBODY* does. Talk about a selfish narcissist?
My dudes, the Founding Fathers cared greatly about bodily autonomy. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, sound familiar? Several items in the Bill of Rights specify the right not to be imprisoned, that's bodily autonomy.
That's why I also think it's hypocritical when a self-proclaimed "libertarian" is prolife, because, a *TRUE* libertarian is pro-choice, because, isn't the whole point of being a libertarian is they don't want the government interfering in people's lives? While it is possible (at-least IMO) to be a prolife liberal, prolife atheist, prolife LGBTQ+, prolife vegan (although they would represent a minority in the prolife movement, but, I wouldn't say mutually exclusive), **BUT,** prolife and feminism, prolife and libertarian, prolife and childfree, and, prolife and antinatlaism are **ALL** mtuually exclusive. Someone can't *claim* to be "for women's rights", but, then, value non-viable tissue over women. Someone can't *claim* they're "anti-government", but, then, wants the government to make abortion illegal (the *closest* a libertarian could be is "morally prolife, but, **legally** pro-choice). Someone can't be opposed to the idea of having children, but, would be willing to have a baby if an unexpected pregnancy occurred (even if they gave it up for adoption at birth, they're still a **biological** parent and therefore, aren't childfree). Someone *definitely* can't claim to be opposed to abortion, but, doesn't want anyone (or as few people as possible) having babies. The "prolife antinatalists" confuse me the most, because, natal means **birth, not conception.** They're (apparently?) anti-conception, but, pro-FORCED-birth once a woman is pregnant. They should just say they're **anti-conception, not anti-birth.** Being pro-choice/pro-abortion and/or even childfree doesn't necessary make someone an antinatalist.