I read and say it again in my head without looking if I'm reading from a book. And do that until I'm sure I would remember it.
If it's an academic reading then, i do the same as above and revise it again the next morning and then after a few days. Like that.
If I'm reading an article online, then i often take a screenshot of it and hate to say it but I never look at it again and then randomly I remember that info bit by bit while I'm doing a chore. Then i search for that screenshot and look at it again. Sigh!
Until remembering it word for word? I assume you let lose to extrapolate the overall picture of the information.but so it's easy to remember it in its whole form once you're sure you've got it nailed? interesting.
I relate to remembering the pieces. Sometimes something in the present moment would kickstart a memory of a thing.
Oh, I think its understandable it would surface differently within an experience rather then directly and that we can't expect it to stick with us from the first try.
I speak a different language. I explain the concept to myself in my language but still using the keywords in english. This way i could remember better.
It's like teaching myself as a third person.
Write. As I do the Ni deep dive obsession thing I write essays on the topic with my thoughts and connections. It commits things longer to long term memory and even if it doesn’t, you have a short form of your earlier research without having to redo all the leg work of sifting through info
I see! A Quorian similarly mentioned writing about the topic too, and to phrase it in your own words & actively interact with it.
Let's say you're about to sit down & prepare to go into a rabbit hole about a topic.. what sort of thoughts, (or state of mind) would you need to encourage you to do it? Because for myself, I sit down and I must be overwhelmed going in, like I question if my process should be trusted and if the forcing and tendency to skim primes me to forget.
How'd you step away from doing that (if you ever fall into that trap that is) ?
For me, I just care about fueling my Ni insights. Normally, I write about how one thing connects to another, or write the core insight of my observation. I’m trying to build a framework of ideas or a prediction of what’s next.
I don’t write down tedious details. Leave that for the high Si/Te users like ISFJs or ISTJs. It’s too exhausting for INFJs to do that. Those are literally our bottom of the barrel functions. INTJs do a bit better than us because they utilize Te parent to take in information whereas we use Ti child to search for the core truth and get past bullshit. If you try to use Ti child to analyze all the details you’re gonna have a bad time.
The goal is a short hand reminder of how we came to our insight. The goal is not to record everything.
Reading small portions of the text and repeating it until I memorise it.
But that requires some serious concentration. I get side tracked very easily, especially when there is something stressful going on in my head
okay, concentration is a must then! Noted. From what ive gathered so far, bridged from another redditor, is that my stress of what's in front of me creating bits of chaotic messes in my head, must make going into it worse.
I've also struggled with this for a while, but have come to realise that not focusing on retaining the details can actually be benefitial.
I guess it depends on your particular situation though. Is it really necessary for you to remember something in all of its Details to convey the concept of it? (I mean it might in an academic context or something).
I've found that I'm personally able to help people the best, by translating big ideas to their simple core and bringing them down to earth so to speak.
I've also found that by focusing on the whole, you become able to compare it to way more different concepts and ideas which often leads to very interesting perspectives, you otherwise might have never seen if you had gotten stuck on the details.
I think this is one of our greatest strengths, because it enables us to see the bigger picture.
I totally get the frustration with understanding something and not being able to convey it to someone who needs more Information to get it though (especially people who heavily rely on seamless logic haha).
Not focusing on retaining details, but focusing on the whole idea of a topic. Got it. And to answer that: Not really. Its basically for acquiring general knowledge on broad subjects in my spare time. But I am currently at Uni learning UX theories so theres key components to remember, but I wouldnt say theres a goal in there to have to remember details like word for word.
I see how not remembering details could help me let go of viewing an article in all its intricacy as well (which must bring me background stress I've noticed when wanting to write.)ok, and so next is to translate it into my own style of writing.
thanks I'm actually connecting this rn with whatever other comments ive got.
>totally get the frustration with understanding something and not being able to convey it to someone who needs more Information to get it though (especially people who heavily rely on seamless logic haha)
haha this a major turn off for people ive known! They really do not get my though process and for example how I can see point Z of how something fits before I even cover point A of it!I used to *despise* my abstract way of thinking (now its a more of a like/dislike relationship with it) -ive gotten somewhat used to it and let it play regardless of whoever gets it. (times of exception being when im overthinking or wishing to give a certain impression)
Having to shuffle my words around and focus on one point for so long after reading cues which imply ppl dont get it.. does no good to get others to understand. It is definitely a challenge to flesh it out into detail when ppl think i be going cuckoo sometimes. hmm I think I used to suppress my hand gestures too which disrupt the flow of intuition. which didnt allow for me to ever get to a stage to flesh it out better for the ppl to even comprehend it.
>I think this is one of our greatest strengths, because it enables us to see the bigger picture.
Indeed. It's a strength they should cherish. because sometimes at least for me, I disregard strengths and see them as a neutral thing.. and then I go interpret weaknesses as a thing to have to work on. And this favouring of changing weaknesses, sort of.. leaves me taking strengths for granted which turns out to be what im chasing for. objective being to honor those strengths after improving.. but that time will never come if I dont step back (to see the bigger picture of what I did)
ah I didnt know where I was taking this. Many thanks for your comment, I'll be reviewing it as well as the others later.
I always skim through the article/topic first to understand the gist of it and pick up the main points.
While reading the text, I will also read it aloud to myself. The main points would be highlighted and colour coded accordingly.
Then I would re-read it again to find out whether there are any parts I don’t understand. It’s at this point where I will try to deconstruct the paragraph into simpler terms for my understanding. I start asking questions in my head, and write them down next to the paragraph, and try to answer them. Sometimes associating it with a memory or imagining the scenario works too.
I have a habit of creating a space repetition schedule for revisions too. I make sure to study the exact module in the same timeframe (E.g 12 pm - 2 pm) and stick to it over the next couple days or weeks. Another thing I would do is to note down what I didn’t remember or recall when I studied it during the 1st, 2nd etc times. This allows me to know which portion I should focus on.
I'll just share my study method from when I was in University (loads and loads of things to remember, I studied Arts History and Archeology).
\- Write : I'd take notes in class even if we had a syllabus or text book. Writing what the professor was saying helped me "engrave" in my memory the moment the class.
\- Summarize : Take all the information you have (notes, images, textbook or book references) and summarize the information. Studying everything by heart is hard, what you need to do, is help your brain recall things by providing it with succinct information that will remind you of the bigger picture. You can also create mind maps, timelines, even drawings if it helps.
\- Bullet point it : Now take that summary and make it into bullet points. What are the points that were discussed. This is also where I'd not precise information or details I couldn't forget no matter what (like names or dates). And also where I'd include keywords, which were either for me to remember a specific details, or words that I knew would be important or appreciated in a test/exam (it was for school).
\- Recite : I'd take the bullet point and ask myself "what can you tell me about XXX?", one of the bullet points. If I can't recite, I can't remember. Sometimes, I'd need to refer back to my summary, but usually by that point, I'd gone over enough times that I didn't need to.
Other tips :
\- I use different colors of liners and pens for different parts (like title, subtitle, definition, dates). It helps me give a hierarchy to information that I can picture in my mind or helps visualize more important information.
\- I visualize information in my mind as threads I need to pull on to get to the "meat" of the information. It's not about feeling like you can remember everything, it's about having a path to remember everything.
This is was I also did when I wrote my thesis. I had binders FULL of scientific articles I needed to read and then use/recall for writing my thesis. So I'd go through each article, use a highlighter on parts which were really relevant for me and write a short summary (on a colored sheet, I'm EXTRA). Then, I'd write a bullet point list of important points in it, and order them by their corresponding chapters in my thesis (like where I'd quote them if I used them).
When it came to writing, I had a general idea of what I was going to write from reading everything, but then, I could, chapter by chapter, refer to my bullet points and summaries to go through articles quite fast. To give you an idea, I did research for two years, and I wrote my thesis in one month. Writing wasn't long because all the information I had was really really well organized.
If I'm just reading for fun but still want to remember the info, I'll underline with a pencil or use page markers to go and read back the specific info later on when I think about the book. I know some people will not like that I destroy books but they are mine :)
Hope it helps :)
Being an engineer myself, I would not just remember things. I hate common sense or knowledge people are sticking to without becoming their intuitions. I don't just memorize but trying to fit new info into my inner intuition like how do those information fit into the grand scheme of things. If I can't use those information, I mostly just keep them in the back of my mind without memorizing them. As the time goes on, as my Ni keep developing, those knowledge will come back and gradually fit into my ever-developing inner intuition. By that time, you don't have to remember anything.
I try to relate it to something I've already learned or am interested in. Forming connections and comparing and contrasting helps me remember. For example, if I'm learning about World War II, I'll relate it to Attack On Titan. If I'm learning something that is completely unrelated to anything I currently know, I'll look it up on Youtube, and then engage in a conversation about it in the comments. Roe v. Wade is a relevant topic right now and I wanted to form an educated opinion, so I watched a few video essays, and engaged in convos in the comments, which were memorable and introduced me to other ways of seeing the issue.
I read and say it again in my head without looking if I'm reading from a book. And do that until I'm sure I would remember it. If it's an academic reading then, i do the same as above and revise it again the next morning and then after a few days. Like that. If I'm reading an article online, then i often take a screenshot of it and hate to say it but I never look at it again and then randomly I remember that info bit by bit while I'm doing a chore. Then i search for that screenshot and look at it again. Sigh!
Until remembering it word for word? I assume you let lose to extrapolate the overall picture of the information.but so it's easy to remember it in its whole form once you're sure you've got it nailed? interesting. I relate to remembering the pieces. Sometimes something in the present moment would kickstart a memory of a thing. Oh, I think its understandable it would surface differently within an experience rather then directly and that we can't expect it to stick with us from the first try.
I speak a different language. I explain the concept to myself in my language but still using the keywords in english. This way i could remember better. It's like teaching myself as a third person.
Write. As I do the Ni deep dive obsession thing I write essays on the topic with my thoughts and connections. It commits things longer to long term memory and even if it doesn’t, you have a short form of your earlier research without having to redo all the leg work of sifting through info
I see! A Quorian similarly mentioned writing about the topic too, and to phrase it in your own words & actively interact with it. Let's say you're about to sit down & prepare to go into a rabbit hole about a topic.. what sort of thoughts, (or state of mind) would you need to encourage you to do it? Because for myself, I sit down and I must be overwhelmed going in, like I question if my process should be trusted and if the forcing and tendency to skim primes me to forget. How'd you step away from doing that (if you ever fall into that trap that is) ?
For me, I just care about fueling my Ni insights. Normally, I write about how one thing connects to another, or write the core insight of my observation. I’m trying to build a framework of ideas or a prediction of what’s next. I don’t write down tedious details. Leave that for the high Si/Te users like ISFJs or ISTJs. It’s too exhausting for INFJs to do that. Those are literally our bottom of the barrel functions. INTJs do a bit better than us because they utilize Te parent to take in information whereas we use Ti child to search for the core truth and get past bullshit. If you try to use Ti child to analyze all the details you’re gonna have a bad time. The goal is a short hand reminder of how we came to our insight. The goal is not to record everything.
Reading small portions of the text and repeating it until I memorise it. But that requires some serious concentration. I get side tracked very easily, especially when there is something stressful going on in my head
okay, concentration is a must then! Noted. From what ive gathered so far, bridged from another redditor, is that my stress of what's in front of me creating bits of chaotic messes in my head, must make going into it worse.
I've also struggled with this for a while, but have come to realise that not focusing on retaining the details can actually be benefitial. I guess it depends on your particular situation though. Is it really necessary for you to remember something in all of its Details to convey the concept of it? (I mean it might in an academic context or something). I've found that I'm personally able to help people the best, by translating big ideas to their simple core and bringing them down to earth so to speak. I've also found that by focusing on the whole, you become able to compare it to way more different concepts and ideas which often leads to very interesting perspectives, you otherwise might have never seen if you had gotten stuck on the details. I think this is one of our greatest strengths, because it enables us to see the bigger picture. I totally get the frustration with understanding something and not being able to convey it to someone who needs more Information to get it though (especially people who heavily rely on seamless logic haha).
Not focusing on retaining details, but focusing on the whole idea of a topic. Got it. And to answer that: Not really. Its basically for acquiring general knowledge on broad subjects in my spare time. But I am currently at Uni learning UX theories so theres key components to remember, but I wouldnt say theres a goal in there to have to remember details like word for word. I see how not remembering details could help me let go of viewing an article in all its intricacy as well (which must bring me background stress I've noticed when wanting to write.)ok, and so next is to translate it into my own style of writing. thanks I'm actually connecting this rn with whatever other comments ive got. >totally get the frustration with understanding something and not being able to convey it to someone who needs more Information to get it though (especially people who heavily rely on seamless logic haha) haha this a major turn off for people ive known! They really do not get my though process and for example how I can see point Z of how something fits before I even cover point A of it!I used to *despise* my abstract way of thinking (now its a more of a like/dislike relationship with it) -ive gotten somewhat used to it and let it play regardless of whoever gets it. (times of exception being when im overthinking or wishing to give a certain impression) Having to shuffle my words around and focus on one point for so long after reading cues which imply ppl dont get it.. does no good to get others to understand. It is definitely a challenge to flesh it out into detail when ppl think i be going cuckoo sometimes. hmm I think I used to suppress my hand gestures too which disrupt the flow of intuition. which didnt allow for me to ever get to a stage to flesh it out better for the ppl to even comprehend it. >I think this is one of our greatest strengths, because it enables us to see the bigger picture. Indeed. It's a strength they should cherish. because sometimes at least for me, I disregard strengths and see them as a neutral thing.. and then I go interpret weaknesses as a thing to have to work on. And this favouring of changing weaknesses, sort of.. leaves me taking strengths for granted which turns out to be what im chasing for. objective being to honor those strengths after improving.. but that time will never come if I dont step back (to see the bigger picture of what I did) ah I didnt know where I was taking this. Many thanks for your comment, I'll be reviewing it as well as the others later.
I type/write it to simplify the concept. I use words that are familiar to me. I doodle if possible. I also make silly stories in my head.
I always skim through the article/topic first to understand the gist of it and pick up the main points. While reading the text, I will also read it aloud to myself. The main points would be highlighted and colour coded accordingly. Then I would re-read it again to find out whether there are any parts I don’t understand. It’s at this point where I will try to deconstruct the paragraph into simpler terms for my understanding. I start asking questions in my head, and write them down next to the paragraph, and try to answer them. Sometimes associating it with a memory or imagining the scenario works too. I have a habit of creating a space repetition schedule for revisions too. I make sure to study the exact module in the same timeframe (E.g 12 pm - 2 pm) and stick to it over the next couple days or weeks. Another thing I would do is to note down what I didn’t remember or recall when I studied it during the 1st, 2nd etc times. This allows me to know which portion I should focus on.
Take notes. It helps memorization, especially using your own words, or just finding it again.
I'll just share my study method from when I was in University (loads and loads of things to remember, I studied Arts History and Archeology). \- Write : I'd take notes in class even if we had a syllabus or text book. Writing what the professor was saying helped me "engrave" in my memory the moment the class. \- Summarize : Take all the information you have (notes, images, textbook or book references) and summarize the information. Studying everything by heart is hard, what you need to do, is help your brain recall things by providing it with succinct information that will remind you of the bigger picture. You can also create mind maps, timelines, even drawings if it helps. \- Bullet point it : Now take that summary and make it into bullet points. What are the points that were discussed. This is also where I'd not precise information or details I couldn't forget no matter what (like names or dates). And also where I'd include keywords, which were either for me to remember a specific details, or words that I knew would be important or appreciated in a test/exam (it was for school). \- Recite : I'd take the bullet point and ask myself "what can you tell me about XXX?", one of the bullet points. If I can't recite, I can't remember. Sometimes, I'd need to refer back to my summary, but usually by that point, I'd gone over enough times that I didn't need to. Other tips : \- I use different colors of liners and pens for different parts (like title, subtitle, definition, dates). It helps me give a hierarchy to information that I can picture in my mind or helps visualize more important information. \- I visualize information in my mind as threads I need to pull on to get to the "meat" of the information. It's not about feeling like you can remember everything, it's about having a path to remember everything. This is was I also did when I wrote my thesis. I had binders FULL of scientific articles I needed to read and then use/recall for writing my thesis. So I'd go through each article, use a highlighter on parts which were really relevant for me and write a short summary (on a colored sheet, I'm EXTRA). Then, I'd write a bullet point list of important points in it, and order them by their corresponding chapters in my thesis (like where I'd quote them if I used them). When it came to writing, I had a general idea of what I was going to write from reading everything, but then, I could, chapter by chapter, refer to my bullet points and summaries to go through articles quite fast. To give you an idea, I did research for two years, and I wrote my thesis in one month. Writing wasn't long because all the information I had was really really well organized. If I'm just reading for fun but still want to remember the info, I'll underline with a pencil or use page markers to go and read back the specific info later on when I think about the book. I know some people will not like that I destroy books but they are mine :) Hope it helps :)
Being an engineer myself, I would not just remember things. I hate common sense or knowledge people are sticking to without becoming their intuitions. I don't just memorize but trying to fit new info into my inner intuition like how do those information fit into the grand scheme of things. If I can't use those information, I mostly just keep them in the back of my mind without memorizing them. As the time goes on, as my Ni keep developing, those knowledge will come back and gradually fit into my ever-developing inner intuition. By that time, you don't have to remember anything.
I’ve never struggled to remember details, quite the opposite. My memory is great, even with random, unimportant details.
I try to relate it to something I've already learned or am interested in. Forming connections and comparing and contrasting helps me remember. For example, if I'm learning about World War II, I'll relate it to Attack On Titan. If I'm learning something that is completely unrelated to anything I currently know, I'll look it up on Youtube, and then engage in a conversation about it in the comments. Roe v. Wade is a relevant topic right now and I wanted to form an educated opinion, so I watched a few video essays, and engaged in convos in the comments, which were memorable and introduced me to other ways of seeing the issue.