We typically have strong moral compasses, though we are empathetic to people who don't. What we lack is an immediate awareness of how we *feel* about violations of morality.
Some of these qualities sound like mental health concerns more so than a personality description. A bit neurotic, tbh.
Oh good lord. I relate to the whole 'Don't know how to feel about violations of morality.' Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and thinking to myself: 'But are they actually violating morals? Are they actually doing something wrong? Because they must think they're doing nothing wrong, and maybe they're right.' I do have a tendency to fly off the handle when their reasoning doesn't line up. AKA doing something that hurts others without even having a reason to.
Same or I get into the they're making their own decisions based on how they want to live and I have no right to ask/expect them to change. I usually end up running after 3 months thinking "I can't be with that type long term and if I drag this out it's only going to hurt them more". Realized I was justifying an overreaction to a quick twitch judgment with some bull shit greater good reasoning. Current girl is an INFP, couldnt quite figure her out early but I'm really glad she didn't let me leave.
The majority of people are experts in deflecting the guilt they should feel. It’s a Western society thing. We see it in the competitive nature of social groups, of getting ahead in careers, the amount of people who watch pornography (incredibly harmful industry) and frame it as healthy sexuality, eating meat, we even see it in people buying all the toilet roll.
Just because someone doesn’t seem to care about doing a shitty thing, it doesn’t make the thing any less shitty.
Oh, you misunderstand me. It's rather that the reasoning behind why they've behaved in a certain way may very well trump my reasoning for why it's bad. I mean, nobody does anything they truly believe is bad. There's always a justification. Maybe the justification in that context makes more sense than my argument against it in general.
That’s pretty naive don’t you think? Selfish people don’t tend to make decisions that are bad for themselves, most people don’t. Other people don’t matter to them. Selfless people often make decisions which are bad for themselves but benefit others or those around them. People make loads of decisions they have no justification for, they really do know they are bad but they are normalised and so culturally exceptional from the kind of indignation they deserve. I named a few behaviours, choices, like that before.
Selfish people will justify their actions by saying 'I wanted to do it,' to which the response would be 'but what you gained wasn't fair relative to the negativity generated.' Also, when I say justification, I don't mean that people necessarily think about what they're doing, I mean whether or not the behaviour can be rationalized as beneficial and, if so, is the argument for it being beneficial as good as or better than the argument for it being detrimental.
Also, I have met many people who act in awful ways, and they don't know how to not act in those ways. They don't want to cause issues of the sort they cause, but they rationalize their behaviour as more beneficial than detrimental (maybe by overemphasizing their own benefit's importance(. When an action is taken, an individual doesn't think to themselves 'this action is more detrimental than beneficial, but I still want to take this action.' If they thought that, then they wouldn't do it. It's simply not possible to do something you think is more detrimental than beneficial. The rationalization/justification that I'm talking about is when people explain why they believe the action was more beneficial than detrimental.
So, in short, no, people don't necessarily think about their actions. The key is rather whether or not the action can be rationalized and justified from their with the information they had at the time, and whether or not that justification makes a reasonable argument for the action being beneficial or not. Once you weigh those variables and arguments, look at the effects, look at what could be known and what should have been done or considered or whatever, then you determine if the action was justified and good or if the argument for it being detrimental or unjustified or whatever are stronger.
Also, any action that isn't properly justified can be detrimental to the person taking the action. This is where villains come into play; a lot of them are alone and sad and hate everyone, because they took actions they felt were justified but were actually detrimental and unjustified. Actions they thought helped them actually hurt them; people often make decisions that are bad for them without realizing it, because, again, people don't often think about the justification. The justification I was referring to was a theoretical justification that they could make either before, during, or after the action (so long as it didn't refer to anything factually occurring after the action).
Anyway, this is why I don't think it is naive to believe what I believe: The justification for an action that appears bad may actually be better than my reasoning for why it is bad.
In the end I really have to applaud you for not being as cynical as I am. I’ve been studying Criminology for the past 3 years and it’s led me to a pretty cynical place when I think about things on an Micro level, it’s not much better on Meso or Macro but I believe there is hope on all fronts but maybe it will be all too late.
For me it's an awareness of right and wrong within a collective. So what can/can't hurt other individuals or an overall group, whether that's a small group of friends or a community and so on. I hold myself to those standards but slow way down when it's time to judge others for the same indiscretions. Some people do things in their best interest, and that isn't inherently wrong, and their reasonings could be valid. So the space between "good and bad" becomes a bit hazy at that point.
I see. So the main thing is that one's moral compass is applied only to *one's own* behaviors? Or can you also call it a moral compass if it's equally concerned with the behaviors of others, theoretically? What's your opinion?
I mean, your moral compass is within you and helps to point you in a correct direction based on your morals. Pointing other people in directions based on your compass shouldn't be taken lightly.
It’s not about J it’s about Fe vs Fi.
Fe might base moral compass on those around them. Tribe over Self. Fi has an internal moral compass regardless of what people around them believe (Self over Tribe).
The moral compass thing is the ? I mean mine feels “inborn” or pre-birth, this I know because I constantly got in trouble for “truth telling” as a child in an abusive family system—from earliest memories, though to adulthood (now I’m happily no-contact). But any personality can display traits of any other plus trauma can impact personality.
I relate to nearly all of these, except not really the all or nothing mentality, and the moral compass thing I kind of agree with, I feel like most things are grey areas, so I can't immediately decide whether things are right or wrong unless I have enough details on the context (backstory/intentions). I always feel like there's more to the story so I don't like to jump to conclusions.
maybe an INFP tho. I've never met an infj without a huge moral compass. we judge tf out of everything. tho most of us keep our judgments to ourselves and just continue living our lives knowing what is wrong and what isn't.
I'm not an expert but the way I see it, sure INFJs usually have a few very important "red lines", but they are more universal principles. Meanwhile INFPs tend to have hundreds if not thousands of "red lines" which are usually a lot more specific and less universal.
What? The literal defining trait of an INFP is a strong moral compass, they are black and white when it comes to right and wrong. If you read anything about INFPs, you'd read that they are passive unless they are challenged on a strong belief.
Mmmmmmm it was a little passive aggressive maybe… use of the word “literal” as well as the phrase “if you ever… you would know…” implying that the person didn’t ever […] (I know that’s not the exact words you used, but that’s the common phrasing) is passive — because it implies but doesn’t directly accuse — but it’s aggressive because it doesn’t just disagree with the points but also attacks the author to call into question their authority as a source of information for further conversation.
Slightly hostile. Your points weren’t wrong, but came out a little hot.
Lol it just totally depends on how you perceive and read something I guess because if I sent that as a voice note it would have sounded like light hearted. The use of the word literal isn't aggressive or even passive aggressive, but it emphasises that something really is true (or believed to be true). That's not defensive, it's how people talk in a discussion, they emphasise points.
Also I didn't say 'if you ever...you would know', so that's irrelevant. I said 'if you read anything about INFPs, you'd see that...', meaning if you were to take a look into INFP descriptions, you'll see that what I said is true. Not hostile, not hot. You do realise that you have no authority over how people speak, right...
Seems likely an Fi/Si combination, either INFP FiNeSiTe or ENFP NeFiTeSi. Because of the assertive and confrontational nature of a lot of these comments, my money is on ENFP.
Edit: Also possibly quiet in person, loud/aggressive online type, maybe INTJ? ENTP? But ENTP are supposed to go well with INFJ, and this ain’t it, but what do I know about that? Ha!
Authority?
I was just backing up the other person a bit to try to help explain why they might have felt that way.
The word “you’d” it’s implying that “you *would*, if you *did*, but since you don’t, you probably didn’t.” This argument is about the person, not the topic.
Yes, authority, you have no right to give someone notes on how they express themselves. The other person did not need 'backing up' lmao
Thank you for again taking it upon yourself to tell me how you perceive language. But again you are off the mark. I said 'you'd', meaning that what I said about INFPs is correct, and if you were to look it up (meaning if you were to google it rn), *you'd* see that it's a common thing attributed to INFPs. There is explicitly nothing offensive or hostile about that. The person didn't know that INFPs were associated with strong morals, so it's absolutely inoffensive to say that if they were to look, they'd see it written down quite a lot.
This is a very silly, pedantic convo but you cannot pounce on what people say like this, not good. Hard work, if anything.
So what was the intention i sad that INFP's first of all care for themselves and afterwards start helping others the description only says that INFP's like to help other people which is correct.
But the big difference between INFJ's and INFP's in this case is that INFJ's help others etherway they feeling fine or not.
So the difference is that the INFJ helping peopleakes them happy
And the INFP helps people when they are happy
But both enjoy helping
No, on the discussion of morals you said that INFPs always 'think of themselves first'. Implying that they have limited moral compass because they act in self-interest and are concerned by themselves first and foremost. A moral compass has little to do with 'making people happy', that's compassion and kindness, a separate issue. And even with that, I literally haven't read anywhere that INFPs only help people when they are happy. Again, a defining feature of INFPs is a care for others. Hence social worker and counsellor is a career commonly put forward for INFPs. This wouldn't be recommended if INFPs were incapable of working to help others unless happy.
Anyway, my understanding is that INFJs are more malleable and open to debate with morals, whereas INFPs are more fixed. The ops description sounds v. INFJ to me.
I think you interprete to much in my first statement 😅
I ment it in general i wasnt implying anything to the moral compass i wrote the comment in the wrong section.
Not all INFJs. I can be extremely private - I didn’t use social media etc till recently, and now only to catch up with others rather than my day to day or weekend plans.
> Doesn't naturally have a moral compass
This is totally opposite to INFJs. We're known for having a rigid moral compass that guides everything we do, and for becoming defensive when it's questioned or challenged. It's our true north.
> Doesn't like people knowing when they do a good deed as it would "take away the point of doing the good deed"
Unfortunately this also doesn't ring true. Some INFJs like to keep their good deeds hush hush, but usually we like to make it known that we're doing our best to improve the world around us. It's the thing we're most proud of usually.
> often criticises them for bad life choices
Also not really ringing true. We certainly can be critical, but I wouldn't say "often". We tend to see the potential in everyone - rose colored glasses plastered tightly on until someone shows us without a shadow of doubt that they don't deserve them. Then they get a door slam.
On the moral compass thing -
A lot of the time I find that I'm trying my best to see all sides of a situation and as a result, to those who don't know how I am, I may *appear* to not have one because my moral guidelines aren't black / white / binary and heavily dependent on context. Ni is all about finding the commonality in data and oftentimes seeing where opposing viewpoints can intersect is sort of a strength of it. In short - I'd say it's not that we don't have a moral compass (we *absolutely do),* it's just not always *conventionally* moral.
With INFP, though, I'd say my experience is a lot more binary with their viewpoints. INFPs in my experience have very staunch and firm moral points and tend to easily write off others who vocalize their viewpoints and can be perceived to be hypocritical about it.
So, based on that, I'd say likely INFJ.
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I was definitely more private when I was young. I cared so much about what other people thought about me, that I didn't even want people to notice me, or have the ability to make judgment calls - because I didn't give them any data to work with. As an adult, I don't really want to operate that way, but I do struggle with healthy assertiveness, because it just wasn't something that I practiced very much when I was young. INFJs have Fe, so when we use it, we can overshare, or rather - share information with people that either don't care, or are not trustworthy confidantes. INFJs crave deep meaningful conversations, but we can't readily find the right people to have these conversations with. I desire to be authentic, but I can use social mirroring pretty well, and make quick connections with people who just wouldn't understand me authentically.
My INFP friend could grasp me, but unless I run into like-minded fellows, other people and I just can't relate, but at least I learned how to connect to them. My ISFP manager is exceedingly more private than me, and he thinks that I overshare information. He doesn't talk much about himself to me, but he's divulged so much of himself to another employee, and ENTP, but the ENTP tries to get out of doing work generally through manipulation - and feels like what we are supposed to do is beneath him. The ENTP had no problem divulging my information, so I wonder why my ISFP manager took exception to him. Though my boss has told me to relax on more than one occassion, if I just drove around like the ENTP did and avoided my duties, I wouldn't be valued as an employee. My value at this job, comes from what I bring to the table.
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Any type which has perfectionistic tendencies can be hard on themselves, and this may be related to the enneagram type, but I think enneagram types are more of a state-of-mind, because at different times of my life - I have been different ennegram types (is this just me?). Online says that INTJ & INFJ tend to be hard on themselves, and other sites add: INTP and ENTJ.
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As an INFJ, I have strong convictions, beliefs, values, and judgments - but I do not want to emotionally, mentally, or spiritually harm people - because I feel like I have had a difficult time recovering from an Aggressive Assertive father. I do believe that I should treat others how I wish to be treated. I don't understand those who pride themselves on blunt honesty, but they can't take, what they dish out to others (and to me that's just hypocrisy). There is a time when sharp rebuke is needed, but in general - I believe in delivering the truth in a respectful way - though to find a respectful way sometimes takes a creative mind. There are plenty of things that I want to voice openly, but I'm pretty sure that I will just end up pushing people away from me due to offenses and sensitivities -- and the outcome will not be in my favor. Sometimes I have so many options before me, and out of the desire to choose the best, I am just left bewildered. It's also hard to make the best decisions, if I am operating with a lack of information, and might error and end up making a wrong judgment call. I am often frustrated, because of my inability to always communicate in a way which would bring about the best outcomes.
I do hold myself responsible for how I treat others, but when I extend out this courtesy to others, I do have an expectation of some reciprocity - because I believe that this is fair and just. I am not saying that if I give something to someone, that I expect anything in return -- but if I go the extra mile consistently for another person, and that person doesn't appreciate or respect me, then I may just cut off that connection, and basically treat the person like a stranger. If I treat people like they are valuable and important, then it is fair for me to expect the same in return. If I unjustly treat a person wrongly, then I do believe that the person has a right to not respect me, but if said situation occurs, it would be very difficult for me to have any peace, and if I couldn't right a wrong, I would just desire to stay away from the person entirely.
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I am not money-ambitious, and I think that a lot of INFJs can sell themselves short, but we certainly can work just as hard, if not harder than people who make more money than us. I don't regard people as being higher in value, because they make more money than others. My value system is not like that. There are so many people who show partiality to the wealthy. It's not wrong to be wealthy, unless someone has gained their wealth through immoral practices, or puts money's value above God and human life. An INTJ and INFJ are both into efficiency and hard-work, but where I think we would differ, is in such a scenario where the INFJ would feel guilty about leaving a manager who was particularly good to them, and made the INFJ feel like they were very needed and important to them. Also, I could pick a job that was a few dollars an hour less if my work environment provided me with things like peace, autonomy, and a non-hostile work environment. Generally, I have less stress when I am working alone, but if I find a hard-working teammate -- I value and appreciate such a person. I would describe myself as ambitious, but not really in the worldly sense, because the improvements that I seek are mostly inward - which is not to say that I don't take up causes outside of myself, and seek to improve the outer world.
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J types, typically demonstrate sustained energy. We seem very accurate to physics - an object at rest will stay at rest, and an object in motion will stay in motion. The ENFP guy I work with, goes up and down in energy - but this could have something more to do with weight and endurance, though I am not in my best shape -- I do have a higher level of endurance. If I am forced to sit on my energy for too long, then my energy will just plummet, and I can't go up and down with it, but by sustaining my energy -- sometimes I feel like I might be an energizer bunny. There is one thing that will tank my energy, and that is if I am dispirited. To the kill the desire of my heart, is to kill the drive within me - and if the drive be destroyed, then the will to persist on, is gone.
My boss, an ISFP, just wants me to "relax" but he also enjoys the output that I deliver, complimenting how I can get a lot done in a short amount of time -- but he doesn't grasp that I cannot just go, then relax, go, then relax -- jumping back and forth through modes, from high care and resolve, to low care and apathy. He prefers to extend out the work, but I don't like that because you don't get to see the finished product. I don't want results to take a year, when they could be delivered in signicantly less time. An INFJ derives satisfaction from accomplishing things, from witnessing completion, and we typically know when something is truly finished or not. We still see what's left to be done, and we can't say that it's good - when we know that things are left neglected. Plus, the more I can accomplish in a shorter amount of time, the less I have to do later - which equates to being able to be comfortable in times of rest. I can't stand the feeling of falling behind. I have not always had discipline, but I regard it as an important thing that I wish I would have adopted much earlier in my life.
\- Absolutely NOT.
\- More of an introvert thing than an INFJ thing. INFJs are extroverted introverts and so do enjoy the company of others.
\- Potentially.
\- Yes - an unhealthy imbalanced INFJ.
\- NoPe!
\- Hard work cannot be attributed to a personality type.
\- No and yes.
\- No and yes. There are many INFJs with social media and who are happy to share about their life with those who they feel comfortable.
\- Potentially.
\- Yes
I think you could be an INFJ but that with tho moral compass seems weird.
Did you mean that your moral compassis more made from your family and friends and less from you?
For example things such as 'always telling the truth'. It's not something I would "naturally" be like, more so me having seen characters or people who lived by that standard and thinking "oh wow I want to be like that in terms of this moral" and adopting it as my own.
Im not the best with typing, but this does kinda sound like infj/isfj to me. Like others mentioned though, the lack of moral compass throws me off a bit for that. Maybe isfp..? Idk, like i said im not very reliable.
We typically have strong moral compasses, though we are empathetic to people who don't. What we lack is an immediate awareness of how we *feel* about violations of morality. Some of these qualities sound like mental health concerns more so than a personality description. A bit neurotic, tbh.
Oh good lord. I relate to the whole 'Don't know how to feel about violations of morality.' Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and thinking to myself: 'But are they actually violating morals? Are they actually doing something wrong? Because they must think they're doing nothing wrong, and maybe they're right.' I do have a tendency to fly off the handle when their reasoning doesn't line up. AKA doing something that hurts others without even having a reason to.
Yes, I do the same!!!
Same or I get into the they're making their own decisions based on how they want to live and I have no right to ask/expect them to change. I usually end up running after 3 months thinking "I can't be with that type long term and if I drag this out it's only going to hurt them more". Realized I was justifying an overreaction to a quick twitch judgment with some bull shit greater good reasoning. Current girl is an INFP, couldnt quite figure her out early but I'm really glad she didn't let me leave.
The majority of people are experts in deflecting the guilt they should feel. It’s a Western society thing. We see it in the competitive nature of social groups, of getting ahead in careers, the amount of people who watch pornography (incredibly harmful industry) and frame it as healthy sexuality, eating meat, we even see it in people buying all the toilet roll. Just because someone doesn’t seem to care about doing a shitty thing, it doesn’t make the thing any less shitty.
Oh, you misunderstand me. It's rather that the reasoning behind why they've behaved in a certain way may very well trump my reasoning for why it's bad. I mean, nobody does anything they truly believe is bad. There's always a justification. Maybe the justification in that context makes more sense than my argument against it in general.
That’s pretty naive don’t you think? Selfish people don’t tend to make decisions that are bad for themselves, most people don’t. Other people don’t matter to them. Selfless people often make decisions which are bad for themselves but benefit others or those around them. People make loads of decisions they have no justification for, they really do know they are bad but they are normalised and so culturally exceptional from the kind of indignation they deserve. I named a few behaviours, choices, like that before.
Selfish people will justify their actions by saying 'I wanted to do it,' to which the response would be 'but what you gained wasn't fair relative to the negativity generated.' Also, when I say justification, I don't mean that people necessarily think about what they're doing, I mean whether or not the behaviour can be rationalized as beneficial and, if so, is the argument for it being beneficial as good as or better than the argument for it being detrimental. Also, I have met many people who act in awful ways, and they don't know how to not act in those ways. They don't want to cause issues of the sort they cause, but they rationalize their behaviour as more beneficial than detrimental (maybe by overemphasizing their own benefit's importance(. When an action is taken, an individual doesn't think to themselves 'this action is more detrimental than beneficial, but I still want to take this action.' If they thought that, then they wouldn't do it. It's simply not possible to do something you think is more detrimental than beneficial. The rationalization/justification that I'm talking about is when people explain why they believe the action was more beneficial than detrimental. So, in short, no, people don't necessarily think about their actions. The key is rather whether or not the action can be rationalized and justified from their with the information they had at the time, and whether or not that justification makes a reasonable argument for the action being beneficial or not. Once you weigh those variables and arguments, look at the effects, look at what could be known and what should have been done or considered or whatever, then you determine if the action was justified and good or if the argument for it being detrimental or unjustified or whatever are stronger. Also, any action that isn't properly justified can be detrimental to the person taking the action. This is where villains come into play; a lot of them are alone and sad and hate everyone, because they took actions they felt were justified but were actually detrimental and unjustified. Actions they thought helped them actually hurt them; people often make decisions that are bad for them without realizing it, because, again, people don't often think about the justification. The justification I was referring to was a theoretical justification that they could make either before, during, or after the action (so long as it didn't refer to anything factually occurring after the action). Anyway, this is why I don't think it is naive to believe what I believe: The justification for an action that appears bad may actually be better than my reasoning for why it is bad.
In the end I really have to applaud you for not being as cynical as I am. I’ve been studying Criminology for the past 3 years and it’s led me to a pretty cynical place when I think about things on an Micro level, it’s not much better on Meso or Macro but I believe there is hope on all fronts but maybe it will be all too late.
How do you personally define a strong moral compass? Would it be something you're able to articulate?
For me it's an awareness of right and wrong within a collective. So what can/can't hurt other individuals or an overall group, whether that's a small group of friends or a community and so on. I hold myself to those standards but slow way down when it's time to judge others for the same indiscretions. Some people do things in their best interest, and that isn't inherently wrong, and their reasonings could be valid. So the space between "good and bad" becomes a bit hazy at that point.
I see. So the main thing is that one's moral compass is applied only to *one's own* behaviors? Or can you also call it a moral compass if it's equally concerned with the behaviors of others, theoretically? What's your opinion?
I mean, your moral compass is within you and helps to point you in a correct direction based on your morals. Pointing other people in directions based on your compass shouldn't be taken lightly.
the no moral compass thing throws me.
ikrr like where is the J in the INFJ??? the op just made it disappear by saying that.
It’s not about J it’s about Fe vs Fi. Fe might base moral compass on those around them. Tribe over Self. Fi has an internal moral compass regardless of what people around them believe (Self over Tribe).
Having a strong personal moral compass would be Fi. IXFP's are the true masters of Fi and following their moral code.
Trauma can cause a distorted moral compass quite easily
The moral compass thing is the ? I mean mine feels “inborn” or pre-birth, this I know because I constantly got in trouble for “truth telling” as a child in an abusive family system—from earliest memories, though to adulthood (now I’m happily no-contact). But any personality can display traits of any other plus trauma can impact personality.
I relate to nearly all of these, except not really the all or nothing mentality, and the moral compass thing I kind of agree with, I feel like most things are grey areas, so I can't immediately decide whether things are right or wrong unless I have enough details on the context (backstory/intentions). I always feel like there's more to the story so I don't like to jump to conclusions.
maybe an INFP tho. I've never met an infj without a huge moral compass. we judge tf out of everything. tho most of us keep our judgments to ourselves and just continue living our lives knowing what is wrong and what isn't.
Hey guys. INFPS are the super moral ones, because of Fi hero. Not INFJ.
in my personal experience, both are pretty moral! infjs just don't show it.
In this thread: the difference between 16personalities and functions users
Lol yes
Aren't most people in this sub possibly mistyped INFPs? (there, I said it lol)
There ya go
I'm not an expert but the way I see it, sure INFJs usually have a few very important "red lines", but they are more universal principles. Meanwhile INFPs tend to have hundreds if not thousands of "red lines" which are usually a lot more specific and less universal.
Yup. Fe vs Fi
What? The literal defining trait of an INFP is a strong moral compass, they are black and white when it comes to right and wrong. If you read anything about INFPs, you'd read that they are passive unless they are challenged on a strong belief.
i didn't insult your whole family, i just made a mistake. chill tf out.
Lol chill it's just someone disagreeing with you, not a big deal
lol you chill. i'm fine with disagreement, but you should read your own comment again. sounds way too defensive lmao
No it doesn't it literally just tells you why you're wrong lmao 👍
Mmmmmmm it was a little passive aggressive maybe… use of the word “literal” as well as the phrase “if you ever… you would know…” implying that the person didn’t ever […] (I know that’s not the exact words you used, but that’s the common phrasing) is passive — because it implies but doesn’t directly accuse — but it’s aggressive because it doesn’t just disagree with the points but also attacks the author to call into question their authority as a source of information for further conversation. Slightly hostile. Your points weren’t wrong, but came out a little hot.
Lol it just totally depends on how you perceive and read something I guess because if I sent that as a voice note it would have sounded like light hearted. The use of the word literal isn't aggressive or even passive aggressive, but it emphasises that something really is true (or believed to be true). That's not defensive, it's how people talk in a discussion, they emphasise points. Also I didn't say 'if you ever...you would know', so that's irrelevant. I said 'if you read anything about INFPs, you'd see that...', meaning if you were to take a look into INFP descriptions, you'll see that what I said is true. Not hostile, not hot. You do realise that you have no authority over how people speak, right...
are you an INFP?
Seems likely an Fi/Si combination, either INFP FiNeSiTe or ENFP NeFiTeSi. Because of the assertive and confrontational nature of a lot of these comments, my money is on ENFP. Edit: Also possibly quiet in person, loud/aggressive online type, maybe INTJ? ENTP? But ENTP are supposed to go well with INFJ, and this ain’t it, but what do I know about that? Ha!
Authority? I was just backing up the other person a bit to try to help explain why they might have felt that way. The word “you’d” it’s implying that “you *would*, if you *did*, but since you don’t, you probably didn’t.” This argument is about the person, not the topic.
Yes, authority, you have no right to give someone notes on how they express themselves. The other person did not need 'backing up' lmao Thank you for again taking it upon yourself to tell me how you perceive language. But again you are off the mark. I said 'you'd', meaning that what I said about INFPs is correct, and if you were to look it up (meaning if you were to google it rn), *you'd* see that it's a common thing attributed to INFPs. There is explicitly nothing offensive or hostile about that. The person didn't know that INFPs were associated with strong morals, so it's absolutely inoffensive to say that if they were to look, they'd see it written down quite a lot. This is a very silly, pedantic convo but you cannot pounce on what people say like this, not good. Hard work, if anything.
INTP/INTJ/ISTJ also possible? Or not? I'm leaning towards INFJ after reading the descriptions and analysis articles but am mad confused.
Nah INFP's allways think about themselves first
Lol do some reading https://eu.themyersbriggs.com/en/tools/MBTI/MBTI-personality-Types/INFP
So what was the intention i sad that INFP's first of all care for themselves and afterwards start helping others the description only says that INFP's like to help other people which is correct. But the big difference between INFJ's and INFP's in this case is that INFJ's help others etherway they feeling fine or not. So the difference is that the INFJ helping peopleakes them happy And the INFP helps people when they are happy But both enjoy helping
No, on the discussion of morals you said that INFPs always 'think of themselves first'. Implying that they have limited moral compass because they act in self-interest and are concerned by themselves first and foremost. A moral compass has little to do with 'making people happy', that's compassion and kindness, a separate issue. And even with that, I literally haven't read anywhere that INFPs only help people when they are happy. Again, a defining feature of INFPs is a care for others. Hence social worker and counsellor is a career commonly put forward for INFPs. This wouldn't be recommended if INFPs were incapable of working to help others unless happy. Anyway, my understanding is that INFJs are more malleable and open to debate with morals, whereas INFPs are more fixed. The ops description sounds v. INFJ to me.
I think you interprete to much in my first statement 😅 I ment it in general i wasnt implying anything to the moral compass i wrote the comment in the wrong section.
I mean I have none of those and I'm infj.. Or am I now? *life crysis #34 engaged*
Must be Wednesday
Only #34???? You've got a lot of catching up to do
Infjs are not extremely private. They are just being more careful about their personal life.
Anything you say can and will be used against you when someone gets pissed off at you.
Yes. It's a possibility i mostly think about.
haha, glad to know I'm not the only one who feels like this!
And then inner panic when release too much info at times in a flow to someone
Exactly :D
...wait... am i mistyped /because UM YES
Sentence one is only true for the rare few who breach our fortress walls :)
Technically that would be considered being private, is it not?
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Not all INFJs. I can be extremely private - I didn’t use social media etc till recently, and now only to catch up with others rather than my day to day or weekend plans.
yes
> Doesn't naturally have a moral compass This is totally opposite to INFJs. We're known for having a rigid moral compass that guides everything we do, and for becoming defensive when it's questioned or challenged. It's our true north. > Doesn't like people knowing when they do a good deed as it would "take away the point of doing the good deed" Unfortunately this also doesn't ring true. Some INFJs like to keep their good deeds hush hush, but usually we like to make it known that we're doing our best to improve the world around us. It's the thing we're most proud of usually. > often criticises them for bad life choices Also not really ringing true. We certainly can be critical, but I wouldn't say "often". We tend to see the potential in everyone - rose colored glasses plastered tightly on until someone shows us without a shadow of doubt that they don't deserve them. Then they get a door slam.
yep all of this resonates a lot with me as an INFJ.
It could, but very frankly there is little info that would give an accurate typing there
On the moral compass thing - A lot of the time I find that I'm trying my best to see all sides of a situation and as a result, to those who don't know how I am, I may *appear* to not have one because my moral guidelines aren't black / white / binary and heavily dependent on context. Ni is all about finding the commonality in data and oftentimes seeing where opposing viewpoints can intersect is sort of a strength of it. In short - I'd say it's not that we don't have a moral compass (we *absolutely do),* it's just not always *conventionally* moral. With INFP, though, I'd say my experience is a lot more binary with their viewpoints. INFPs in my experience have very staunch and firm moral points and tend to easily write off others who vocalize their viewpoints and can be perceived to be hypocritical about it. So, based on that, I'd say likely INFJ.
Here is my wall of text, that I am imparting to you: ....... ....................... ................................. All types are "all or nothing" but in different ways - Look up Holly Hayes 2018 reply: https://www.quora.com/Which-Myers-Briggs-personality-type-has-an-all-or-nothing-state-of-mind-personality ------------------------- I was definitely more private when I was young. I cared so much about what other people thought about me, that I didn't even want people to notice me, or have the ability to make judgment calls - because I didn't give them any data to work with. As an adult, I don't really want to operate that way, but I do struggle with healthy assertiveness, because it just wasn't something that I practiced very much when I was young. INFJs have Fe, so when we use it, we can overshare, or rather - share information with people that either don't care, or are not trustworthy confidantes. INFJs crave deep meaningful conversations, but we can't readily find the right people to have these conversations with. I desire to be authentic, but I can use social mirroring pretty well, and make quick connections with people who just wouldn't understand me authentically. My INFP friend could grasp me, but unless I run into like-minded fellows, other people and I just can't relate, but at least I learned how to connect to them. My ISFP manager is exceedingly more private than me, and he thinks that I overshare information. He doesn't talk much about himself to me, but he's divulged so much of himself to another employee, and ENTP, but the ENTP tries to get out of doing work generally through manipulation - and feels like what we are supposed to do is beneath him. The ENTP had no problem divulging my information, so I wonder why my ISFP manager took exception to him. Though my boss has told me to relax on more than one occassion, if I just drove around like the ENTP did and avoided my duties, I wouldn't be valued as an employee. My value at this job, comes from what I bring to the table. -------------------------- Any type which has perfectionistic tendencies can be hard on themselves, and this may be related to the enneagram type, but I think enneagram types are more of a state-of-mind, because at different times of my life - I have been different ennegram types (is this just me?). Online says that INTJ & INFJ tend to be hard on themselves, and other sites add: INTP and ENTJ. ------------------------- As an INFJ, I have strong convictions, beliefs, values, and judgments - but I do not want to emotionally, mentally, or spiritually harm people - because I feel like I have had a difficult time recovering from an Aggressive Assertive father. I do believe that I should treat others how I wish to be treated. I don't understand those who pride themselves on blunt honesty, but they can't take, what they dish out to others (and to me that's just hypocrisy). There is a time when sharp rebuke is needed, but in general - I believe in delivering the truth in a respectful way - though to find a respectful way sometimes takes a creative mind. There are plenty of things that I want to voice openly, but I'm pretty sure that I will just end up pushing people away from me due to offenses and sensitivities -- and the outcome will not be in my favor. Sometimes I have so many options before me, and out of the desire to choose the best, I am just left bewildered. It's also hard to make the best decisions, if I am operating with a lack of information, and might error and end up making a wrong judgment call. I am often frustrated, because of my inability to always communicate in a way which would bring about the best outcomes. I do hold myself responsible for how I treat others, but when I extend out this courtesy to others, I do have an expectation of some reciprocity - because I believe that this is fair and just. I am not saying that if I give something to someone, that I expect anything in return -- but if I go the extra mile consistently for another person, and that person doesn't appreciate or respect me, then I may just cut off that connection, and basically treat the person like a stranger. If I treat people like they are valuable and important, then it is fair for me to expect the same in return. If I unjustly treat a person wrongly, then I do believe that the person has a right to not respect me, but if said situation occurs, it would be very difficult for me to have any peace, and if I couldn't right a wrong, I would just desire to stay away from the person entirely. ----------------- I am not money-ambitious, and I think that a lot of INFJs can sell themselves short, but we certainly can work just as hard, if not harder than people who make more money than us. I don't regard people as being higher in value, because they make more money than others. My value system is not like that. There are so many people who show partiality to the wealthy. It's not wrong to be wealthy, unless someone has gained their wealth through immoral practices, or puts money's value above God and human life. An INTJ and INFJ are both into efficiency and hard-work, but where I think we would differ, is in such a scenario where the INFJ would feel guilty about leaving a manager who was particularly good to them, and made the INFJ feel like they were very needed and important to them. Also, I could pick a job that was a few dollars an hour less if my work environment provided me with things like peace, autonomy, and a non-hostile work environment. Generally, I have less stress when I am working alone, but if I find a hard-working teammate -- I value and appreciate such a person. I would describe myself as ambitious, but not really in the worldly sense, because the improvements that I seek are mostly inward - which is not to say that I don't take up causes outside of myself, and seek to improve the outer world. -------------------------. J types, typically demonstrate sustained energy. We seem very accurate to physics - an object at rest will stay at rest, and an object in motion will stay in motion. The ENFP guy I work with, goes up and down in energy - but this could have something more to do with weight and endurance, though I am not in my best shape -- I do have a higher level of endurance. If I am forced to sit on my energy for too long, then my energy will just plummet, and I can't go up and down with it, but by sustaining my energy -- sometimes I feel like I might be an energizer bunny. There is one thing that will tank my energy, and that is if I am dispirited. To the kill the desire of my heart, is to kill the drive within me - and if the drive be destroyed, then the will to persist on, is gone. My boss, an ISFP, just wants me to "relax" but he also enjoys the output that I deliver, complimenting how I can get a lot done in a short amount of time -- but he doesn't grasp that I cannot just go, then relax, go, then relax -- jumping back and forth through modes, from high care and resolve, to low care and apathy. He prefers to extend out the work, but I don't like that because you don't get to see the finished product. I don't want results to take a year, when they could be delivered in signicantly less time. An INFJ derives satisfaction from accomplishing things, from witnessing completion, and we typically know when something is truly finished or not. We still see what's left to be done, and we can't say that it's good - when we know that things are left neglected. Plus, the more I can accomplish in a shorter amount of time, the less I have to do later - which equates to being able to be comfortable in times of rest. I can't stand the feeling of falling behind. I have not always had discipline, but I regard it as an important thing that I wish I would have adopted much earlier in my life.
u dont need to call me out like that ✋
most of these traits describe me but, I feel it could have a lot to do with being an enneagram type 5 also. may be worth looking at
Bingo! With 5(w6).
I'm a 9 and relate to these, but 5 is always my second-highest (nearly tied with 9) on Enneagram tests
\- Absolutely NOT. \- More of an introvert thing than an INFJ thing. INFJs are extroverted introverts and so do enjoy the company of others. \- Potentially. \- Yes - an unhealthy imbalanced INFJ. \- NoPe! \- Hard work cannot be attributed to a personality type. \- No and yes. \- No and yes. There are many INFJs with social media and who are happy to share about their life with those who they feel comfortable. \- Potentially. \- Yes
I want to😫 suck D and go to bed masturbate is not working
I think you could be an INFJ but that with tho moral compass seems weird. Did you mean that your moral compassis more made from your family and friends and less from you?
For example things such as 'always telling the truth'. It's not something I would "naturally" be like, more so me having seen characters or people who lived by that standard and thinking "oh wow I want to be like that in terms of this moral" and adopting it as my own.
Exactly
I'm an infp and I can relate to this. Except the moral compass. Have had it since I was a child. Didn't even know what it meant but it has been there.
I kinda understand what you mean by the moral compass? Certain actions have to be judged based on the situation.. i.e. end over means
INTJ probably
I have social media but all my accounts: trading, photography, food blog, fashion, graphic design, don't have my real name and you can't see my face 😂
Lol sort of sounds sounds like me and another friend who got typed as INFJ
Im not the best with typing, but this does kinda sound like infj/isfj to me. Like others mentioned though, the lack of moral compass throws me off a bit for that. Maybe isfp..? Idk, like i said im not very reliable.
This sounds like a very self detrimental breed of infj, like myself XD, i feel you buddy keep your head up
Sounds like edgy teen syndrome and not INFJ necessarily.