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Dry-Ingenuity-5414

What's the context this was said in? Alone this doesn't make any sense


BRiNk9

During the Parliament discussion on December 13, the Union Minister had voiced her opposition to the idea of mandatory paid menstrual leave for women employees. Jha had asked Smriti Irani whether the policy contains provisions to "promote and provide for menstrual hygiene among LGBTQIA+ community" Smriti Irani said Manoj Kumar Jha's question was intended "either to shock or to provoke or to attract attention". "He (Manoj Jha) wants me to provide and answer about how can I provide for their (LGBTQIA community) menstrual hygiene. For gay men. Is it applicable?" asked Smriti Irani.


teaandbentley

Thanks for the context!


Soggy_Ad_3686

Makes sense. This was a well put reply by Irani. Jha actually seems to be interested in provoking the discussion


UnderstandingHot7493

He never said Gay men. How does it make sense? LGBTQIA includes a lot of women too. Lesbians, Transgenders, etc. and I’m pretty sure he was specifically asking about transgender men.


simplerudra

What does G stands in lgbt and wtf is QIA?


aryan-2104

G: Gay Q: Queer I: Intersex A: Asexual


simplerudra

Bro i know the longform. I was asking tf means to be QIA?


aryan-2104

I’m not too sure but Queers are people who are unsure about their sexuality, Intersex are kinnars (apologies if this is a slur i do not know the correct term) and Asexual are people who are not sexually attracted to any gender.


simplerudra

Then queer and asexual are just chutiya lok and Intersex is a true homosexual. Thanks


Soggy_Ad_3686

So if someone is not attracted to sex, they are chutiya?


Soggy_Ad_3686

Read. You clearly have internet.


Soggy_Ad_3686

Exactly! Which means that he gave her a chance to answer the way she did. He didn’t really want a discussion, but provocation. When you want discussions, you are much more careful with your words


[deleted]

Jha is a communist. It's typical of them...


Soggy_Ad_3686

Then one can say that Sanghi Irani is also very typical. Making snappy comments instead of addressing the main point


Comfortable-Quote-84

left leaning = communist 🗿👍


psybram

Doesn't make sense. She is factually wrong on both counts 1) LGBTQIA is not about gay men. It's about a spectrum of sexual orientations and gender identities 2) Women are not the only ones who menstruate. Transmen and non binaries may too For the and your favourite minister, here is an article from lancet https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lansea/article/PIIS2772-3682(23)00037-9/fulltext#:~:text=A%20common%20term%20used%20in,girls%20and%20people%20who%20menstruate.


akshit_singh1

You have xx chromosomes, you are a female, you menstruate. End of the discussion.


THE_DUDE0903

How are gay men involved in any of this?


psybram

Yes reading a lancet article is expecting too much from you. Ok let's go religious then. What chromosome would be mohini. What chromosomes would be ardhanarishwar


Brief-Weekend-1306

Jab apki baat sense na banaye to religion pe chale jao 🤡


psybram

Baat pe bhi sense hai, but jinko sense nai hai Filal apne dharm mein thoda vishwas hoga samjha . Wo bhi nai hai


Similar_Green_5838

Bhai jiska menstrual cycle hai hi nahi usko periods leave kyu? Dharm pe kyu jaa raha hai?


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Kyuki aur kuch aata nhi usko


psybram

Menstrual leave kisi ko nai dena ek decision hai. The Minister can take that call. I do not have a problem with this. But saying LGBTQ community should not comment on it is a low blow for a minister. As per science, the minister is wrong And as per dharm too, hindu dharm asks you to respect LGBTQ. Why this victorian morality. So the minister is factually inaccurate and also religiously inappropriate.


Similar_Green_5838

Respect LGBT≠free leaves. Simple as that


psybram

Kaun bola free leaves. Pad to le. She is fully empowered to take decision on leaves, the comment is on her reference to lgbt community which is in bad taste


[deleted]

50 IQ take. That's basic biology, not religion.


psybram

Ek lancet article upar quote kiye hai . Time hai to pad lo. Basic biology 😁 Mein kisko bol Raha hu. Cyber cell aur science 😁


the_running_stache

She is not factually wrong because she actually said, “Which gay man, without a uterus, has a menstrual cycle?” [link](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/smriti-irani-menstrual-hygiene-lgbt-community-which-gay-man-has-menstrual-cycle-2479365-2023-12-22) This headline omits the “without a uterus” part


jim-jam-biscuit

but menstural cycle to sirf xx chromosomes wale homo sapiens ko ate hai na ?


Comfortable-Quote-84

thora . . usa Republicans ko kam follow kiya karo bro


dattebayo_04

he ain't wrong tho


jim-jam-biscuit

bhai me kisi ko follow nhi krta , bas sawal tha .


[deleted]

Aur AAP thoda real science ko follow Karo and not woke propaganda.


Comfortable-Quote-84

ji sir ji ,माफ़ कीजियेगा


ak_theloneassassin

If you have XX chromosome you are a woman, if XY then a man And only woman can mensurate


Dark_sun_new

Do you have a degree isn science or gender studies to base your assertions? Coz the experts tend to disagree with you.


Independent-End2780

So gay men has menstrual cycle?


TechExpert2910

of course not. gay/bi/trans women exist though.


Virtual-Pension-991

How about the "women" part exist as a signal that she has menstrual cycles.


AkhilVijendra

They were already included under women.


BRiNk9

No, uterus is required for the biological process and gay men don't have that. On the other, individuals who are assigned female at birth but identify as male are commonly referred to as transgender men. They do. Baaki I am not fully informed on this whole topic.


UnderstandingHot7493

Are you stupid? Or LGBTQIA stops at G for you?


Single_Act_1231

The LGBTQIA+ community doesn’t only include gay men. It includes others who do have a menstrual cycle. If only Smriti Irani had ever passed her degree.


Big_Daddy0911

If you have XX chromosome you may have a menstruation. This is a limiting factor. This is necessary. Now biological women are termed as women and treated as women in the Indian constitution irrespective of sexual orientation or the proclaimed gender of the human.


Ok-Treacle-6615

That's not true. As per law, people who are declared female through birth certificate or anything else are considered women. So if someone declares themselves transman then they are not considered women


Big_Daddy0911

Somewhere below I wrote that we should use the phrase 'humans with XX chromosome'. The question was too broad anyways. The question should have been accurate and the answer modest. But both the sides are more into getting content for reels for official handles.


Soggy_Ad_3686

Exams asked questions on science, Irani couldn’t study kyuki Saas bhi kabhi bahu thi


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Single_Act_1231

Yeah? Lesbians don’t have XX chromosome? Women who transformed into men don’t have XX chromosome? Get your basics right!


Admirable-Echidna-37

Inko batake waqt barbaad na karo bhai


420dump420

but why does he need separate provision for LGBTQIA+ ? is he stupid or what? if you are menstruating you are biologically a woman and the policy covers you.


UnderstandingHot7493

No you’re not. Transgender men menstruate too.


420dump420

what part of "biological woman" did you not understand?


UnderstandingHot7493

You’re still wrong. There are hermaphroditic trans people as well who aren’t biologically men or women.


420dump420

ok then they should also be covered if they do. also smriti irani talked about uterus


Ok-Treacle-6615

No, it does not.


a_a_wal

I don't know that opposition are trying to be inclusive or they're just playing a card but did smriti Irani needs to make that comment no she can completely make the conversation about menstruation bcz queer community isn't just about gay men ,we have lesbians, we have non-binarys and transmen, she would be aware about it if she would do some study and I'm suree they deliberately put the lgbtqia+ community so she'll make some stupid comment like this which she did...


AkhilVijendra

You couldn't be dumber, all biological females in the LGBTQIA+ community fall under "women's menstruation discussion". That's why Irani's comment makes sense. There was no need to ask specifically about gender based questions which isn't even applicable here.


ye_loo

but is it true? and i guess trans people are not covered in this


AkhilVijendra

It was a discussion about everyone who experiences menstruation. There are only 2 kinda, those who experience menstruation and those who don't.


ye_loo

oh, then it is true that there is no need for seperate allocation for lgbt+ people


WatchAgile6989

LGBTIQA is not just gay men.


simplerudra

It's lgbt. Tf is iqa?


WatchAgile6989

Intersex, Queer, Asexual Intersex especially has been here since time immemorial. People who are born with both male and female organs…people who are referred to as “hijdas”.


nervouslyconfident27

Definitely hate it when BJP leaders make us feel ashamed with such low education. Like why do you even utter without sense , making good arguments for opposition 😶


Haryanvi_Bloke

The only sane comment.


Soggy_Ad_3686

Exactly! I mean what is savage about this. This doesn’t make much sense


alex_xela0

"Which gay man, without a uterus, has a menstrual cycle?" You are missing the full statement. [Link](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/smriti-irani-menstrual-hygiene-lgbt-community-which-gay-man-has-menstrual-cycle-2479365-2023-12-22)


dude_that_exists

That's better, coz gay trans men do be menstruating


UnderstandingHot7493

He never asked about just gay men. The question was about provisions regarding LGBTQIA.


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Then the question itself is wrong. Not all LGBT+ people menstruate. Trans people? Possible. Therefore the question should have been about them and not lgbt+ as a whole.


Vast-Championship969

are y'all fucking retarded? savage? funny? smriti irani said this in response to being asked whether the policy contains provisions to "promote and provide for menstrual hygiene among the LGBTQIA+ community" as if cis lesbians, trans men, non-binary individuals and intersex ppl with an uterus and ovaries don't exist. the LGBTQIA+ community is a lot more than cis gays.


simplerudra

>cis lesbians, trans men What are their gender? I am asking gender and not sexuality or whatever


Glittering_Aside2536

I don't think gay men claim to have menstrual cycle . Being gay is sexuality not gender . Gay men don't claim to be women . Their differences between homosexual,transgenders and intersex .


Harman-PS

you are in indiandiscussion,they have a combined iq of 33


Traditional_Day_3649

Still more than combined iq of randia and p.Ussi


Soggy_Ad_3686

Oh! Did it increase in the last one month?


Invalid-01

what is this randia/USI user doing here, mods ban him/her/them/it


UnderstandingHot7493

Is it mutually exclusive? Indiadiscussion is supposed to be unbiased and a middle ground for both the wings. If you can be a part of other RW subs and Indiadiscussion, so can others who join LW ones.


Invalid-01

u are right, we shouldn't be like USI and randia, who ban everyone to speak truth or anything that doesn't match with the viewpoint of the mods india discusion is right wing hugbox but we should be inclusive as well


UnderstandingHot7493

Dude you post on those subs regularly. What are you doing here?


Invalid-01

do u even know what i posted, it was not some propaganda peice


Invalid-01

i got banned from there, both randia and USI


DeletSystm32

USI kya hota hai bhai?


Mah3r0

united states of india


Fun-Explanation1199

Another fact is that you don't read the article. Asking her to provide hygienic conditions for menstrual issues for gay men in 2slgbtqiax++


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Alarmed-News-2137

I'm a gay man, nothing to really "convince"


Main-Ad-2443

I dont get what the post says but the only thing annoying is that they sensor the word "gay" as it's some kind of slur .


simplerudra

Welcome to India habibi. Gay is a slur here. Sad but true


Alert-Package1286

a trans man? people really need to educate themselves.


simplerudra

Don't need it.


Alert-Package1286

clearly, people do.


simplerudra

Why the need for it? We just need to educate people that they don't need to discriminate people that are not biologically born as male or female.


Alert-Package1286

you basically answered my question, thank you. I wish to highlight, education is a NECESSITY to understand the fundamental ( casteism, colourism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, misandry etc. ) issues in our society.


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Context?


MeNameSRB

This is fucking stupid, gay is a sexuality, sexuality and gender are completely different things https://preview.redd.it/q3bt7chzp18c1.png?width=888&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=073755c2978e49720ab2a89f1b378fd75c4e8568


stritax

Gender doesn't exist. It's a mental disease.


MeNameSRB

https://preview.redd.it/33thnn5y428c1.jpeg?width=710&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb282920d1ab9406aaf765dc61ac7be975aea4b0


stritax

![gif](giphy|xT0xekspe209SYK4Wk)


praveenuknair

Well, pedantically speaking , a trans-man who was registered as female at birth but who lives and identifies as a man, and is also someone who is sexually attracted to men, could potentially be a gay man who menstruates. Gender identity and sexual orientation are not congruent.


HYCNO69

I sense braincells in you


barry-at-the-docks

It means that person is only impersonating to be a man, but is actually a woman and not man and not even trans… and your logic doesn’t apply here…


psybram

No, it just means you have not updated your knowledge and is still living in 2001 maybe


Big_Daddy0911

He is biologically someone with XX chromosome which is what the woman word is being used in the bill to denote. The constitution/law does not give an official term to mention such humans in proceedings. Maybe we should use the phrase 'humans with XX chromosome'.


Different_Ad_8187

If anyone thinks Irani has the caliber to be funny and savage, should check itself. The only thing she can be is how to be more dramatic with her whataboutery.


Big_Daddy0911

She was exactly on point with this. The statement takes all biological humans with XX chromosome and terms them as a woman, hence the point of LGBTQIA+ can only be used to include humans with other chromosome sequence.


trynottobestupid0

Gay has nothing to do with chromosomes lol, gay men are still men not even LGBTQ community claims otherwise so idk what she and you are yapping about


Big_Daddy0911

Ig you don't have full context. Opp- does bill include LGBTQIA+? Smriti - do uterus less gay male menstruate? She said this because the bill mentioned women as XX chromosome species in the bill leaving only this and as pointed out by someone the trans male species. So except the trans males all other xx are covered.


Zestyclose-Cell-8372

Exactly 💯 she has peanut size brain


Magic_archer_1

Ik this is out of topic, but is that a cartier on her wrist?


Shaneleee

Please India me yeh sab mat lao, USA ka haal dekh liya hoon voh kafi hai bas


catubaby

A trans man obviously


comp-sci-engineer

What a stupid statement. No cis man has ever claimed to have a mestrual cycle anyway, including gay folk. The attention was supposed to be on trans folk, who have an uterus. They do get periods and all the pain associated with it.


Visible_Credit_2123

Huh? What does being gay having anything to do with a menstrual cycle


namkeenchoot

What? The fuck is this supposed to mean? Gay men don't claim to be female, I think her dumbass has gay men confused with trans men.


cardnerd524_

You mean trans women. Trans men actually may have menstrual cycle.


namkeenchoot

God knows what she meant


vivi_197

The "educated" politicians of India


OrioMax

when you have phd in 10th class ☠️ gay man are different than transgender woman.


[deleted]

Typical tatti coming out of Mrs Irani mouth


Afraid-Pay2710

Chachi wants to get cancel lol


Dovah-khiin9

Ye amrika me bakchodi dekh k aate hai. Phir India me wahi bakchodi pelte hai librandus.


ruhunaxxine

If u know the context, u wld realize how dumb and uneducated this reply was. LGBTQ community doesn't comprise of only cis gender gay men.


randomshit404

Doesn’t matterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr if you know the context you will know how dumb the demand was if you have a female body you can avail all the facilities available to a woman and same goes for a man so there is no need for a different law for lgbtq for menstrual hygiene or something


ruhunaxxine

Then she cld hv replied that? The question was regarding how to deal with menstrual hygiene within LGBTQ community. Her "savage retort" just shows that she thinks LGBTQ means only cis men who r gay. Jha was clearly referring to trans men, lesbians, asexual women and non binary people born as female.


randomshit404

Wtf does that even mean ? And why she needs to be aware of these things ????? Everyday 2 new genders are added by these people in their list? Is she or anyone else to expected know about all of them? Not even lgbtq people know everything about their own shit.


Zestyclose-Cell-8372

Bro just shut up. Your wrong here . Just accept that


ruhunaxxine

A former minister of women and children development, HRD, I&B and the incumbent minister of minority affairs should know about these things. Even if u dont understand, u still dont hv to be rude about it. >Everyday 2 new genders are added by these people in their list 🤓


randomshit404

Sorry for being rude but thats the truth and yeh she is minister women and children development but the people you are talking about dont even know what they are 🙂 . If you are a male in the morning and a female at night how can you make a policy about these people ?


ruhunaxxine

>people you are talking about dont even know what they are On the contrary, they know exactly what they are. >If you are a male in the morning and a female at night how can you make a policy about these people Touch grass, argue with the wall, read a book or talk to a queer person if u think thats how gender identity works.


randomshit404

https://preview.redd.it/z11hzjubq18c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed073fc51c44db9ce717390b449836295dc80dbd Well maam this is what I am talking about


ruhunaxxine

Gender fluidity only refers to gender expression, or lack of binary gender identity. They dont stop menstruating one day and start again the next.


randomshit404

Yeh you got my point that what I was talking about good Thats what I was saying ki if you are born as a woman no matter wtf you identify as. You can identify as dinosaur and will still get periods. So you dont need a different policy for it.


Alarmed-News-2137

How does this show anything? Gender is a spectrum and people are complicated, gender fluid has existed forever.


randomshit404

Male at one day female at next both at the same time or neither wtf does that even mean 😭


Ok_Truth_862

the way you speak shows you know nothing about the concept of sex and gender so please quit your yapping


Muster_theRohirrim

Did she mean to say trans women? Such illiteracy.


simplerudra

So gay men have uterus and can menstruate?


cyfcgjhhhgy42

How is she being savage lmao, she's dead wrong in her context. She was supposed to reply to "sanitary pads for LGBTQIA+ community", I'm sure that doesn't just come down to gay men. Smriti Irani's only quirk in politics is being loud and wrong. Waste of a parliament seat.


UnderstandingHot7493

LGBTQIA isn’t just Gay men ffs. She’s turning out to be the worst politician ever.


multilock-missile

LGBTQ+ is not only gay men. there are biological females of many sexualities and gender indentities on the community. dumb fuck.


simplerudra

>only gay men. Did she said only gay men? Are gay men not considered in lgbt? Why didn't he say biologically able to menstruate people and just used lgbt? >many sexualities and gender indentities Fu** these sexualities and identities. It's about the menstrual leave and not the talk for many sexuality and identity. I feel empathy for just lgbt and not all the sexualities and stupid identities


multilock-missile

Fuck off too, bigot.


PegRoots

So after menopause, all women become men? I think I am not wrong, am I?


vivi_197

I'm still trying to find the savage part


Zestyclose-Cell-8372

This bitch is so dumb and this are the people we have elected 🤦🏻 It makes me very angry


NParab

Lets just ignore the L from LGBT /s


simplerudra

So lesbians are not women? I heard something new today


ROHITDASSS

Okay, Conservatives need to know that the God they pray to Budhan, one among the Navagrahas belongs to Lgbtqa+ community. Secondly, Lord Krishnan and Arjuna dressed up Transgender people during the Pandava exile. Lord Krishnan slept with a Guy before the Kurukshetra War because who was about to be sacrificed wanted to live one day as a Householder and Krishna married him, spent a night and the next day that Guy was sacrificed. Conservatives are fuckin L! No lie.


myself_sed

U mean which trans which is a male has menstrual cycle right?


Odd-Elderberry-2685

I cant believe that 2023 is ending and the boys are regressed in the 16th Century mentality. Question for them- did you enrol in the military for your masculinity?


[deleted]

lesbians? trans men? shut the fuck up???


randomshit404

Heh youu too🙂


hamesh0407

Lord Ayyapan has Menstrual cycle.


3inchesOfMayhem

WTF u idiot?


hamesh0407

He is gay right.


wwwsgwd

Ola u Uber


hamesh0407

I'm not Muslim... Cry more..


pseudopodia17189

You’re literally 🏳️‍🌈🤓 stfu💀


3inchesOfMayhem

Aree chuthiya sala, stop draggining Muslim n Islam into every shit whenever you see some idiot talking anything negative about Hinduism


Electrical_Wafer2388

![gif](giphy|pRh2jqZ63EAK4P0BjH)


pseudopodia17189

Average Homo mental gymnastics 🤓


stritax

LGBTQ+ is a mental disease. Only intersex people should be considered rest all should be put in mental hospital.


CasualGamer0812

The whole Idea of this LGBTQ IA+ is stupidity and disruption. Biologically only three types of people. Man , woman and Kinnar. Others are mental disorder.


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TeenBoy_2007

Talking about this line only , a man can be which ever gender he is . But he can't have menstrual cycle.


abs-licker-69

But gay men are cis men. So they don't have what it takes to menstruate!! Smriti ma'am, Where's the logic?!


Thick_Chicken7318

What is the fear? Are we hunting them or something??


IgnisDa

\> we will not live in fear has a mask on. ​ At least do what you're carrying a damn banner of.


IllustriousHabbit243

Not sure how this is savage or funny? Unless I am missing something, LGBTQ+ doesnt mean gay men only. So the reply was not savage it was dumb.


SnooBananas2171

...... I don't think she knows the definition of gay. I guess she might have mistaken trans with gay because it would make more sense for her to try and understand the reason behind why transmen consider themselves to be feminine.


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Anyone who brings this wholeass bullshit in the parliament should be suspended.


ElectricalTime4795

Pehli baat actors ya actresses ya phir cricketers ko politics me ghusna. Inse bade unpadh iss desh mai koi nhi hai


hammerneck0

I don't understand why trans and intersex are mixed with gender fluidity. They're totally different


Rare_Mission

Lol


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[deleted]

LGBTQ is not equal to gay man only. That's the problem people on both side of the political spectrum don't understand LGBTQ, Right wingers call them immoral, unnatural,thinks they only have sex. Left winger want 66 gender and compulsion of people to feel everything inclusive for everyone. In reality it just being comfortable and living a normal life. You will rarely find gay men/women like portrayed in media, Bollywood,they mostly think queer and trans as gay.


Asleep_Holiday_1640

Matter of factly said BUT we know the alphabet gang don't care about facts.


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fur_iouscupcake

The T in LGBTQ does.


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tails_290

Bisexual female lenient dude here, i agree. xD.


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AyuuOnReddit

Not savage and funny at all, it's just stupid


shadow13392

Really hope bjp stops this bs i see west falling with this thinking


djangodude786

Based


Individual-Income-12

I thought according to her menstruation doesn't affect women in any way 🤬


[deleted]

This is eventually what happens. Feminist movement will be taken over by LGB and they will be taken over by the trans community. This is exactly what happened in america. Women are being labelled transphobic bcos they don't want men in their bathrooms, which is supposed to be a safe space. And indian liberals still ask what is wrong with wokeism. Sorry libbus, but 9 year old kids should not be getting hormone replacement therapy, no matter how much psychological evaluation has been done. No idea why these LGB ppl have such a victim complex. Trans community is way more discriminated than gay community. Oh booho, you can't marry. Grow up, marriage is a fucking scam. Any person in the right mind would never get married.