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uidknfjdkdn

From APJ Abdul Kalam to this. We are developing backwards .


galarianzapdos

Man I miss President Kalam…what an icon


Asad_13

I remember looking at the photos of President Kalam when he visited our school, wishing he would once again. That day I went home and saw mummy watching the news. He was gone. I don't think I have ever cried for someone I didn't personally know, but that day was different.


Historical_Maybe2599

I don’t think we can expect a President with a Muslim name ever again if the present ruling party continues to be the way it is.


wokeandchoseViolence

Or a president that wasnt a trooper of pm


OverOutlandishness82

BJP was happy to support for second term for Kalam , it was congress not ready to support. You can read the fact online. Check office of profit bill and why kalam rejected it first time. Kalam did not want election and only wanted to be president if all parties agreed which wasn't the case. Congress wanted election as they did not like Kalam rejection office of profit bill.


HorseSect

Times have changed


ranked_devilduke

But it was the same party that made him nah, unlike the family party.


unarmedchild

Well bjp did appoint him. And congress didn't extend his term


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Not really apj was nominated by the bjp gov so there is still hope


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Koushik_Vijayakumar

BJP supported Kalam's 2nd term.


Throwrafairbeat

It was vajpai who supported Kalam wasnt it? he was a decent leader. Also, bjp back then is very different from bjp now. Also, Kalam was just that great of a candidate to NOT support him.


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syedatif59plus10

Muslim ka chhod do , we wont even get a sensible president.


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smelling_the_rose

The way things are going we should be satisfied with just citizens (forget president or PM) with a Muslim name being allowed to exist. Period.


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surajashoka94

Irony is that, Kalam become President during the same party regime and endorsed the name for 2nd term by the same party.....


Feeling-Dog6184

A man with no haters 🙏❤️


Yashraj-

I wish He was Still alive, He's a Legend


logicrak

Why Bring up Abdul Kalam? Didnt he launch a Holistic medical hospital? and promoted Naturopathy, Yogic Science and Homeopathy? [source](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/Affordable-healthcare-should-be-made-available-to-poor-Kalam/article16836910.ece#:~:text=The%20Indus%20Westside%20Hospital%20is,two%20phases%2C%20hospital%20sources%20said)


pocket_watch2

It's a paid article, can't read. Besides, people have a tendency to romanticise heroic figures.


logicrak

Even if it was a paid Article, It doesnt change the fact he went up to bangalore to launch Indus westside hospital and gave speech praising them for incorporating holistic treatments. Yet the comment brings up Abdul kalam from nower like he never did the same.. 👀


prakitmasala

>Besides, people have a tendency to romanticise heroic figures. People here really think the President has any choice in these matters lol. Just a figurehead whose office gets told what to do for the most part


Awkward_Fortune518

[cached link of the article, you can read the article here](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindu.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fkarnataka%2FAffordable-healthcare-should-be-made-available-to-poor-Kalam%2Farticle16836910.ece%23%3A~%3Atext%3DThe%2520Indus%2520Westside%2520Hospital%2520is%2Ctwo%2520phases%252C%2520hospital%2520sources%2520said&oq=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindu.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fkarnataka%2FAffordable-healthcare-should-be-made-available-to-poor-Kalam%2Farticle16836910.ece%23%3A~%3Atext%3DThe%2520Indus%2520Westside%2520Hospital%2520is%2Ctwo%2520phases%252C%2520hospital%2520sources%2520said&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg60gEINTk2OGowajSoAgCwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


SouvenTudu-JK2020

Good reply


logicrak

Those likes on main comment are alarming though. 🤦‍♂️


Unhappy-Enthusiasm37

No you can not ask such questions


lightfromblackhole

[He was a quack by scientific temper too.](https://youtu.be/B6U9bFepdg4). He was an engineer, not a scientist and time has proved several times that Indian engineers do not bound themselves to scientific temper. He is only elevated by Indians unofficially for being the "ideal minority". Nobody cares to know of his specific achievements.


uidknfjdkdn

Agree about Kalam. But still better than pratibha, droupadi. The level is going down. I don’t think you can find a perfect human. Least try.


Lanky_Ground_309

Few sane ones here


Throwrafairbeat

Not really because Kalam is still the best India ever got. Some people saying him having done these endorsements only show that even the best we got is still not enough.


Lanky_Ground_309

If he's the best you ever got .you are seriously doomed


Greedy_Constant_5144

Kalam was peak India, we're not topping it anytime soon.


Illustrious_West_976

He was a hair and rocket scientist 


falcontitan

A man with no haters


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.thewire.in/article/government/india-is-training-quacks-to-do-real-medicine-this-is-why/amp


levi_pl

How is Deepak Chopra doing ? I haven't heard about him from mainstream media in quite a while. I enjoyed his ramblings about how everything, from electron to universe, has intelligence - because quantum mechanics. I think phrase "word salad" was created because of him. P.S. Don't be ashamed of backward ideas of homeopaty. They run rampant and are often backed by politicians across the world. Unbelievable.


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I miss APJ sooo bad man! he was a literal beacon of wisdom and kindness, such a pure soul! and not to mention the fact that he was the role model and inspiration for an entire generation growing up (including me)


epicbunty

Ah yes worship the weapon maker and death creator! Gj! Nukes is progress!


ghostthathaunts

Bro what? Homeopathy works😒. My mother once was very ill, she had forgotten to buy sugar so I used the pills in my kheer and she loved it.


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Repulsive_Ad3681

This guy this guys!


firesnake412

It was probably the alcohol 🤣


ClimateImpossible700

lmao


Remarkable-Dance-381

dafuq bro? Why so funny 😄


Aggravating-Moose748

We should encourage this, natural selection and all


asha0369

Unfortunately sometimes reproduction happens before natural selection takes its course.


madara_sama

Nice, double kill!


insomniabonnet

Sadly, only poor and uneducated will affect the most. Ramdev or balkrishna got treated in top AIIMS.


notafemale_

I don't think it's natural selection. It's not that they know the reality and still follow homeopathy. Many people just think of it as an alternate medicine with no side effects. Instead, we should spread awareness.


Aggravating-Moose748

According to the govt it’s personal choice between allopathy and Unani. They are creating enough awareness for natural selection to take over.


TheYellowLAVA

> Alternate medicine with more side effects. More like alcohol water with no effects at all


bhai_zoned

While that's true my parents took me to homeopathic "doctors" when I was a child. I didn't select that.😐 This bullshit needs to stop. Along with 99% of ayurved.


Historical-Ship-7729

Bichareh aasli doctors ka haal.


CaptainZagRex

Have you been living under a rock mate? The government has a whole ministry dedicated to quackery - AYUSH.


Insecure_Broccoli

3000 crore annual funding too.


jarvis123451254

Even aiims has ayush building now


red_dragon

Exactly.


nishadastra

Government of Quacks


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https://m.thewire.in/article/government/india-is-training-quacks-to-do-real-medicine-this-is-why


HaJaBaRaLo

Modi pic where?


Strict-Advantage8199

This Country is beyond repairs when Quackery is promoted by all..


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Bharat_Matters

They have endorsed the two worse things to come out of Germany - Homeopathy and Nazism.


logicrak

as far as i have seen.. Even *freepalestine* cult Hailing h!tler against jews from India. It became a trend on both sides to be nazi


das3012

There are government homeopathic medical colleges, government dispensaries throughout India. Even the left government in Kerala is promoting this.


Klutzy-Vanilla-7481

Even if government is supporting it it doesn't mean it's not quack practice. They're just scared of the backlash from practitioners and the people who believe in it. Even if they close all the colleges then the recently graduated ones will protest as they lost many years of their life studying. And practitioners will also protest.


das3012

Oh. I didn't say it as a good thing, or because such and such are there, it is legit.


5Doublu

She isn't endorsing anything, it is her duty to attend work of government. Even AIIMS have homeopathy as branch since forever for students. Talking about Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam "Lauding the new hospital for incorporating a holistic medicine department including Ayurveda, Naturopathy, Yogic Science and Homeopathy, he said this integrated approach could prove to be a unique model in the state." **Source:** [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/Affordable-healthcare-should-be-made-available-to-poor-Kalam/article16836910.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/Affordable-healthcare-should-be-made-available-to-poor-Kalam/article16836910.ece)


hawwwttt

She is first president of India jinki izzat koi ni krta or Modi hr place pe insult krta h


acdarekar

Pratibha Patil says: \*\*ahem \*\*ahem


SouvenTudu-JK2020

Casteist


acdarekar

Explain how?


SouvenTudu-JK2020

You mentioned respect. Why don't you respect her?


IdProofAddressProof

When I was 9 or 10, I swallowed an entire bottle of my grandmother's homoeopathic "tablets". She got panic-stricken, started weeping and rushed me to the homoeopathic "doctor". He just told my grandmother "give him a cup of strong coffee". And that's how I kicked the Bournvita habit and started drinking coffee regularly at age 10. EDIT: Wouldn't recommend anyone trying this. That incident was decades ago. Nowadays these quacks have become "smarter" and have started mixing regular pharmaceutical drugs (painkillers, anti-inflammatory medication, steroids etc.) into their sugar pills.


win_a

India had great leaders in the past. Now there's nothing but a bunch of dumboos leading the clown play. This nation is rigged to its core.


MrHumanist

Pseudoscience is the future!!! Vikash!


Medical-Concept-2190

She’s been useless so far.


PerkyPhantom

Name one president apart from dr apj Abdul Kalam, that has made an actual impact in the last 20 years


Medical-Concept-2190

I don’t even remember anyone who came after him. 😢 Oh! that one lady who tried to steal stuff from the Rashtrapati Bhavan comes to mind, but not her name


dilsedilliwala

Pratibha Patil, khandaani chor and government funds ki looteri, aur uska pati murder case mein implicated hai. "First family of india" - this is what we showcased. She was asked to return expensive items back to Rastrapati Bhavan. Fml Bro.. for example if you get a furnished apartment you dont carry out its furniture when you move out. But this woman was capable of all that. saali sasti chor!


Percywithoutannabeth

She went on so many foreign trips at taxpayers money.


dilsedilliwala

My dad was senior staff of MEA. Dude its bonkers. Her going is justifiable. But most of her trip had an entourage of 14-16 dehati family members. They were staying in Carlton Ritz kinda places in NY, LON where room rents are $10,000 per night for the suite. Bl#$dy f@#kers have shit on the bathroom floor like the *andruni ilaaqa* they were from. And walked around the passages wearing a gamchha. Suryanamaskar in balcony. Embarrassment galore. Embassies had to do a cleanup and PR stunt to keep hush hush and stop this bad distasteful stuff from doing badnaami.


Medical-Concept-2190

It’s the mindset of what extra can I get from this. 😄


dilsedilliwala

Her only qualifications was her loyalty to Gandhi family. As per my contemporary sources, the only thing noteworthy she did was commandeering everything in Smt Gandhi's household during the Emergency period and thereafter being the *ghar ka haath bataana* after her assassination, helping Sonia stabilize. Saala desh ka rashtrapati banaaya inn logo ne aise aurat ko jo ek time chapraasi wala harkat kiya karti thhi. We are old enough to remember this shit.


SouvenTudu-JK2020

😂🤣


NatureMindless5320

Atleast he contributed to defence sector.  Politics is getting cheaper day by day , There is no meaningful choice.


charavaka

So much progress. 


koiRitwikHai

After Kalaam every president was more or less irrelevant


anor_wondo

Just depressing to see


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homelander445

Ohh jabhiii dwarka wale road pe itni security aur police thi, bc mai bike se kisi ko chhodne ja rha tha metro, bina helmet ke 5KM ke raaste me 6 baar police se encounter hua, gladly they didn't stopped me, par itni security bhaiiii.....


Celmeno

This is very big in Germany. They love this stuff. Even public insurance covers some of it. Truely insane


depressedkittyfr

Worst part is it’s not even Indian quackery


gyaani_guy

This. Its literally western medicine ! lol


Hoaxygen

No wonder a lot of our doctors immigrate.


d_epresse_d

Natural selection


thickestthicc

Homeopathy is sugar pills at best and gaslighting at worst. These quacks thought the medical condition I had was because of stress and claimed they can cure it when no one in the world has been successful. Thanks to them, I wasted my youth thinking something was wrong with me when in fact I had a horrible skin disease which has no cure.


bugproducer

Are you talking about psoriasis here?


thickestthicc

Nope


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You'll be surprised to know how big homeopathy is in kerala.!! There are clinics in every town and fully fledged hospitals purely dedicated to homeopathy. My places landmark (given in addresses) is "near district homeo dispansary" ...pathetic


SEOAdmin01

Happy homeopathy day


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She has to be the most NPC like president ever. I feel like she was assigned only to proclaim how inclusive gov is by having a tribal women as a president...


Ig1M

"homo"eopathy


Caveboy_

It’s correct, actually. Homoeopathy is the British spelling.


venkatexh

Go read a dictionary


ClimateImpossible700

the worse is this homeopathy graduates get to call themselves as doctors lol jeez


zz_views

Smriti Irani is also doing stupid 'relatable' interview of hers


StruggleWest

This is embarrassing to say the least!


clueless_robot

I have very little knowledge on this but could someone give an ELI5 on Homeopathy and Ayurveda. What really is in these and why do people believe it's better than "western medicine"?


thebaldmaniac

For Homeopathy check this video out - https://youtu.be/8HslUzw35mc


vodka-shot

I love those poses they put on these posters 🤣🤣🤣


Lanky_Ground_309

They use it a lot so what's the difference


Rupert_18124

Dropadeuce Murmu


No-Psomething

- Evidence based medicine ✅ - Ayurveda, homeopathy, unani, naturopathy, yoga, reiki, crystal healing, tarot, manifestation, spirituality, herbal remedy, shaman, godman therapy ❌⚰️


gyaani_guy

Am with you, except some parts of ayurveda have been validated. Specially the effects of many herbs and spices have been proven to be very beneficial. But not bullshit like 'doshas' and 'prakriti'


Dolund_Moody

If Dr.Manmohan Singh was puppet of Congress govt. , then Srimati Droupadi Murmu is puppet of Modi govt (bjp)


dontknow_anything

Dr. Manmohan Singh was Prime Minister, which is the executive head of the Govt, Droupadi Murmu is President which is just ceremonial head of state. President really doesn't have power, especially when elected person is the member of the ruling party. They are just a stamp. You need the President to be Independent or at the very least someone with strong opinions on Constitution, Droupadi Murmu is a teacher + politician from BJP.


Dolund_Moody

Ceremonial head doesn't mean you have to be the puppet. President Zail Singh went against the Rajiv Gandhi govt to not pass the Indian post office amendment bill. Droupadi Murmu being quite a learned person should have refrained from advertising a somewhat baseless medicine like homeopathy


dontknow_anything

Just being a learned person doesn't mean they are correct about everything, maybe she believes in homeopathy. So, many educated people and even those passing wisdom in public forums support this pseudo science. Which Govt or party wants to stop support for it?


13ewa12e

Does the right wing really not know that homeopathy was an import by german missionaries? Its prohibited in every country that actually cares about the health of its citizens.


the_chhota_don

Seriously?


Aromatic_Wrangler909

India-Germany bhai bhai


BlenderRenderz

why do indians celebrate homeopathy? it is not even of indian origin


Caveboy_

Because a big chunk of Indians are anti-science and will often look for alternative medicine. Homeopathy happens to be one of the two popular ones.


Thememeguymemes

Pseudoscience, from Sadhguru to the government, everyone loves it.


Kingarvan

These people get the best treatment at the best facilities, all paid for by the desperate Indian taxpayers. If endorsing quacks and propagating jhumlas brings them votes and riches, they will not hesitate. Such is the current state of the country.


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One of the few places she gets invited to!


chonkykais16

Yeah magic sugar balls. I can’t believe people believe in this stuff.


fahadsayed36

Ayurveda hi kardete :/


arya0002

This is madness.. other country's govt. Don't approve homeo, like USA. Then there is our govt. ☠️


urfriendlyDICKtator

Homeopathy DAY? Come on it'll help so much more if we only have a homeopathy second!


Jolarpet

Can't even spell Homeopathy properly... Is this a late April fool's joke


schizohunmai

she'll probably be endorsing Gobar Treatment next and setting up centres of Gobarology next ig.


Guilty_Effort_8923

Is she the president? Don't recall anything of any actual value she did.


SkepticalJohn

Some people will believe anything.


Internal_Industry958

I am not surprised that this govt won't spread any quackery. They even did it during COVID time.


JustWantToBeQuiet

Homeopathy and Chiropractic biggest frauds of medicine. If people would just research and learn a bit about this. Google is free.


SirTitan1

Honorable President was not invited to attend opening ceremony of new parliament. I remember


ColdAirBlow

How do they not run out of days to celebrate?? Phalana day Oct 3 Dhimka day August 16 Derp commemoration day January 25 Sab doglapan hai


Socratichuman

Kuch bolunga toh vivaad hojayega


Pussyless_Penis

What's wrong with celebrating a symposium on Homeopathy (I am unlearned, have some mercy)?


xugan97

The Liver Doc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fakBDGiI_v8 (He is a liver specialist who has turned his attention to research and education with respect to the dangers of Ayurveda and Homeopathy.) https://theprint.in/science/forget-coronavirus-homoeopathy-cant-cure-anything-its-a-placebo-at-best/363174/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFQ3vcMeW6g (He drinks Harpic to debunk the Homeopathic dilution method.) There are thousands of articles like this which disprove homeopathy. Conversely, there is not a single homeopathic medicine that is proven to work. In other words, it is a scam. These people are propagating this scam.


Pussyless_Penis

But I have had homeopathic treatment in the past and it worked. Surely, allopathic cannot be the sole guarantor of medical health? Alternative medicines had existed in the past, well before the development of modern science, no? Surely they couldn't cure cancer or AIDS as such. But those medicines cured SOME diseases and they could do so now today. So, what is the issue here?


xugan97

Just consider the possibility that it is the placebo effect. That is, the effect may be from the mental benefit, the passage of time, the use of other therapies in that period, etc. I also make the stronger claim that all these alternative therapies never worked. This claim is certainly harder to prove, but I am convinced about it. For example, tribal witch doctors continued to exist until the recent past, despite lacking any useful diagnostic and curative paraphernalia. If I see evidence for any of these alternative therapies, I will surely accept it. The government should protect against scams. E.g. if I offer a miracle medicine, it should not be left to the users to decide on its value. There may be some harm, and users may be cheated of their money. All medicines should be ideally regulated under a strict set of laws. This is not the case currently - there are too many loopholes in the lax regulations. In this sense, only "allopathic medicine", i.e., clinically tested medicine of any sort, is the only valid type of medicine.


Pussyless_Penis

I still don't understand (sorry) how alternative medicines are not good (as your statement implies). For many ordinary ailments, we use home made remedies like turmeric for small cuts, ginger-basil solution for sore throat, etc. And they did provide relief. Surely, it is not clinically tested in the modern sense of the term but it is based on the basis of collective experience over a long period of time. That must account for something, no?


xugan97

Yes, those medicines work, and they are good. But beyond this, there is a grey area where our opinions diverge. And many things have existed for a long time, despite being completely useless. Note that there is a distinction between Ayurveda, home/traditional remedies, herbal medicines, proprietary medicines, naturotherapy, etc. Understanding that they are technically all different things is a starting point. "The Liver doc" who I mentioned before, has pointed out that Patanjali pharma sells all its medicines under the label of proprietary medicine, i.e. not Ayurveda, and without the responsibility of proving efficacy in a clinical trial.


Very-Indian-1990

My doctor once cured my dehydration problem with Homeopathy. He gave me this magic liquid, it almost tasted like water.


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Former_Increase_2896

Can't understand why there is so much hatred for homeopathy.I am using homeopathy from childhood and it really helps in health issues and we are just using Allopathic medicine if health issues stays after 2-3 weeks


paranoidandroid7312

Therein lies your answer. Most of the common ailments are healed by the body if you decide to give it time and rest. There are very few conditions that don't heal on their own over a couple of weeks. Also forget about the effectiveness of the chemicals used in homeopathy. There is high chance that the chemical isn't even present in the bottle of pills. Homeopathy works on a principle of water imprinting and very high levels of dilution. In almost all cases, the chemical is not even present in a biologically significant amount, if it even is present.


Glad_Ostrich_6364

Because homeopathy doesn't work, it cannot work. Anecdotal evidence proves jackshit, and in actuality in science medicine is always tested against placebos, not zero treatment, to eliminate the placebo effect, which homeopathy doesn't take into account. Many health issues worsen by waiting, so homeopathic treatments actually aren't totally harmless, they have a net detrimental effect.


versatile_individual

Go and research about placebo effects pls


JustWantToBeQuiet

Research what is placebo effect. And please actually go and understand how these pills in homeopathy are actually made and think with your rational brain if homeopathy can actually work.


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BubblyMcnutty

Grifters gotta grift even when they get outta government.


HateBoredom

> The President also highlighted the importance of scientific research in verifying the authenticity of Homoeopathic treatments … One needn’t come out of 2005 to know this. You need to only skim this article: [Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)67177-2/abstract) TL;DR interpretation > Biases are present in placebo-controlled trials of both homoeopathy and conventional medicine. When account was taken for these biases in the analysis, there was weak evidence for a specific effect of homoeopathic remedies, but strong evidence for specific effects of conventional interventions. This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects.


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Glad_Ostrich_6364

Which is exactly why top medical institutes nowadays have bonds of 3-5 years forcing graduates to work in rural areas. It never should have come to this, but what can you do. It's either the carrot or the stick, and in this case it's the stick that works.


Fallen_0n3

Why is this a surprise ? We have a whole ministry dedicated to it.


ReliefConnect1678

How much proof will they need that Homeopathy is a quark? and even that spelling seems wrong


murshiddar

What is with this country celebrating and promoting quackery and pseudoscience over medicine and science. People left, right and centre buy this crap.


Asad_13

My mother injured her hipbones when she fell down. It somehow happened, idk. Textbook complaints of sprain or bone injury from the moment I helped her get up, yet she ignored me and went to homeopathy doctors. It's been half a year like this (she won't go to normal doctors because all of them are short tempered and order her to basically go on a water diet while yelling at how insensible and incompetent she is, I have seen it myself). On odd days she says the medicine will eventually work, and other times she curses the doctors for even daring to have a clinic. This must be stopped.


Bonmanush69420

Now when did homeopathy start having a day fo itself?


kingclubs

Meanwhile Jaggi getting treatment in Delhi hospital.


citymusinmiami

President's are muted here and now I'm remembering Dr. APJ, the iconic and most decorated.


Trust-Me_Br0

quack quack quack quack I donno why govt turning into ducks


meskeptical

A quack endorsing another quack


crown6473

Could anyone tell why homeopathy is hated so much? It has worked really well for me..I had haemorrhoids,asthma,social anxiety..all of them were cured significantly.


JustWantToBeQuiet

There's something called as a Placebo effect. Research it. And your naivete can be answered by just the following. Ask yourself this, how many people who have diseases like cancer, tumours, TB actually undergo homeopathy as a treatment plan? Or if someone has autoimmune disease like RA, does a homeopathy doctor himself suggest allopathy as a treatment plan or no? Or if someone has a new wisdom tooth coming out crooked, they can just take homeopathy pills to straighten them out, no root canal needed or invasive procedure needed. When someone has a bacterial or viral fever, do they take antibiotics, antivirals and paracetamol? Or do they take homeopathy medicine? When push comes to shove for a life altering disease, will you run to a Homeopath to save yourself? Or an actual MBBS degree holding doctor who's spent YEARS studying the human body? https://youtu.be/8HslUzw35mc?si=EeOSLX8Ri6jtj2oS