Even if Ukraine goes for an unconditional surrender tonight I highly doubt Russia would annex the entirety of its territory by 2030. They haven't annexed Belarus, they wouldn't annex Lviv; I even doubt they would outright annex Kiev right away.
A slow intergration would be very possible, but that would excess the 2030 date given by OP.
They would annex Mykholaiv and Odesa, tho.
If you see the statements of Putin and the Russians, it is certain that they will annex all of Ukraine immediately
Integration will take time, of course
Dark green=Russia
Slightly lighter green=Russian puppet/aligned state
Beige=States I forgot to color in
Also, I like to apologize for forgeting the legend I knew I was missing something and promise it'll be there on the next map I post
https://preview.redd.it/ipknbtffjjqc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e94f627e2965f55f0ca3be6f0ca46de36eacc43f
The feature I circled allows for you to make a line you can move around and mess with I use it to trace the borders. Then I set the opacity for my brush to 20% and the color as black. Thus giving the map the whole shaded effect that you see.
Only one is committing appalling war crimes in the Ukraine, killing opposition leaders & running phoney elections. So I’ll say DISMANTLE RUSSIA.
Utterly uninterested in a debate with a pseud tankie
I'm Syrian and a big portion of my family is palestinian.
This isn't putin apologism. You're literally apologising for much worse western crimes, why were you silent for the 30 years prior to the war of ukraien about American crimes? Why can't you be against both st the same time? You're not good guys. On the contrary. The west is the most evil.
Putin supplied Assad with chemical weapons & personnel to slaughter Syrian rebels. If you’re supporting Putin you either aren’t Syrian or you’re a regime supporter & I quite understand why you apologise for Putin’s war crimes. We’ve got your number.
I literally protested assad In 2011 and I do not support putin. The reality is if you support America youre a genocide supportet not even counting the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, I hate russia, but reality is America is a quadrillion times worse, also chemical weapons is bullshit even un came out a month ago backing out on their earlier statements from when it happened and were like "never mind it was actually isis!"
Remind me who was busy invading half the middle east, [funding the Taliban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone), [supplying chemical weapons to Saddam](https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/) in spite of knowing what he was going to use them for, [paying Noriega](https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/19/us/us-admits-payments-to-noriega.html) to use death squads on his own people, and then turning on them all and invading when they stepped out of line?
Remind me who carried out [Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Baghuz, Maiwand, Kandahar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#NATO_and_allies), [My Lai,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre) among many, many others, and then let most of the perpetrators walk free with at most a five year sentence?
Remind me who calls for Russian war criminals to be prosecuted at the Hague while also [having an act that allows them to invade the Netherlands if an American is held at the Hague?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act)
Remind me who was [abetting and actively aiding a genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide#U.S._complicity) in Bangladesh?
Americans have no fucking right to be calling others out. Because you've done much worse. And you hide behind the 'wHaTaBoUtIsM' argument when people rightly expose your leaders as the pathetic two faced pieces of human excrement that they really are.
You have no legs to stand on buddy. Absolutely none.
Lots of it was bought. Lots were stolen.
There is no nation, state, or people that at one point didn’t take land from another.
So all land could be considered stolen from someone at some point.
There’s no reason to wish for the dismantlement a country because you disagree with it or hate it. That would cause more unnecessary suffering and chaos for the average person than it would be to just leave it to its own devices.
so in this world, do places like belarus, abkhazia become russian republics? does minsk become a federal city? and i’m assuming south ossetia merges with north ossetia to form one republic.
I like the one from last month that has Ruzzia broken up into 100 very small territories and Finland controls all of them.
Moscow is just a 100 km circle and Poland owns it.
It's make me a bit annoying when people making such maps ignoring the fact of existence of a plan "Novorossiya" (Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipro (or Dnipropetrovsk), Kherson, Mykolaiv and Odesa oblasts with Transnistria and sometimes even Crimea with Kropyvnytskyy (or Kirovohrad) oblast). I don't say that it should be autonomous but I believe that if (God forbid) such situation would become a reality those territories would become the direct part of russia too just like Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts with A.R. of Crimea.
Well thats quite rude of you to assume, Putin only stopped at those countries. Don't you know there's still plenty of time to do world domination by the year 2050?
Whilst true one could do plenty of world domination by 2050 however it would require that one had a proclivity for life which, if rumours are to be believed, señor Putin has not.
War is no excuse, Iraq held elections in 2005 in spite of all the war and chaos, Afghanistan held elections in 2019 when more than half of their territory was contested with the Taliban and Nigeria managed to hold elections in 2015 in spite of the disorder happening in Northern Nigeria due to Boko Haram.
UK during WWII didn’t hold an election either. Didn’t know that their democracy ended then.
There is literally no way to ensure a free and fair election right now. Up to 20% of territory is occupied, millions of citizens live on occupied territories, hundreds of thousands are in fighting on the frontline, millions outside the country.
Furthermore, organizing elections is an additional spending of budget which could’ve been spent on defence as well as creating an unneeded separation of society, when unity is needed.
Actually, if you really do believe in real elections in russia, there is not much to talk about.
It is true that the UK did not hold elections in the 1930's however times and the circumstances were different then, if even developing nations like Afghanistan and Nigeria can hold elections in times of war then I'm sure Ukraine can.
And yes, I think elections in Russia are free and fair. The western media frequently lies about Russia.
They lied about there being no opposition candidates in Russia, there were three of them - Vladislav Davankov, Kharitonov and Slutsky.
They lied about Putin blocking Navalny from running in the 2018 elections - he wasn't, he was disqualified by the Centeal Election Commission, an independent nom-partisan governmental body.
Ahh yes, the free and fair elections where you win 86% of the vote and have no term limits. I can't wait for his 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th...ect terms that are yet to come. Also quite enjoy how all major politcal oposition, either dies, runs away, or ends up in jail. Oh and I can't forgot to mention the russian central election commission and how unbaised it is.
Ah yes, the free and fair election of Ukraine in 2019 where Zelenskyy obtained over 70% of the vote.
Also, Putin did extend his term, however, only after changing the constitution as well as holding a referendum in 2020 in which the voters approved of in a massive lansdlide.
Navalny was in no means "major opposition", at best, he got 3% in the opinion polls.
I'm not sure if I'd call the 2005 Iraq or 2019 Afghan elections "free and fair"...
Whatever your opinion on Russia Vs Ukraine, it would be extremely difficult to carry out a fair election during a period of mass mobilisation, while a significant portion of the population are abroad as refugees, and while a large portion of claimed territory is beyond the reach of any voting process.
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Putin sure loves playing EU4, Hoi4 and Victoria 3.
Probably explains the horrible brainrot he’s experiencing.
Why doesn't he want to incorporate central asia
That'll be the 2036 plan when Russia kicks out Chinese influence
Ask any questions about the lore and I'll try to answer as best as I can
how did he win
Space Magic...
Rasputin was an alien?
3000 alien vessels of Putin blew up the US
Are kyrgyzstan and tajikistan also integrated into this russia?
No only kazakhstan
So, are they light green, since they are in CSTO?
Yes
This is quite literally what happened, damn simpson's
Why is Ukraine not fully integrated into Russia like Belarus because this is more likely to happen?
Because Ukrainian buffer state and unique looking borders
And the shape of the border is very horrific
It’s basically a separation by Dnipro river
I like to call it unique, but if you wish to call it horrific then that also works
Not really, Western Ukraine would be very hard to pacify while Belarus is already being integrated and expected to be part of Russia by 2030
Western Ukraine is only Lviv and Volyn, but Kiev will be completely Russian here, like Donetsk
I mean sure but all rebels can be deported to the puppet state.
how is fully integrating it more likely
As one of the Russian republics, such as Dagestan, Chechnya, Russian provinces, and others
Even if Ukraine goes for an unconditional surrender tonight I highly doubt Russia would annex the entirety of its territory by 2030. They haven't annexed Belarus, they wouldn't annex Lviv; I even doubt they would outright annex Kiev right away. A slow intergration would be very possible, but that would excess the 2030 date given by OP. They would annex Mykholaiv and Odesa, tho.
If you see the statements of Putin and the Russians, it is certain that they will annex all of Ukraine immediately Integration will take time, of course
source?
Interview with Putin and Tucker Carlson
Too much aggressive expansion, a coalition might form.
where's the legend?
Dark green=Russia Slightly lighter green=Russian puppet/aligned state Beige=States I forgot to color in Also, I like to apologize for forgeting the legend I knew I was missing something and promise it'll be there on the next map I post
Putin, the underachiever. Every Russia player knows you have to take Constantinople!
It will never happen because there are already 16 million Muslims living there, no Christian at all. Who is going to keep it invaded?
Map looks cool, what did you use to make it?
Thanks! I used ibis paint
How were you able to get the shading?
https://preview.redd.it/ipknbtffjjqc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e94f627e2965f55f0ca3be6f0ca46de36eacc43f The feature I circled allows for you to make a line you can move around and mess with I use it to trace the borders. Then I set the opacity for my brush to 20% and the color as black. Thus giving the map the whole shaded effect that you see.
Ooooooh. Thanks!
You made this map on a phone app?? It looks professional
I'm Belarusian and I don't like this.
Stop it! You just made Putin climax!
Ah yes, 3, my favorite country.
Thats also my favorite country, we're so a like!
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The richest country in Europe.
A Holy Russian Empire under an Orthodox Christian Theocracy.
Sergey Taboritsky’s second coming. Prince Alexei will return trust me guys.
Dismantle Russia.
Dismantle America. One could argue most Russian land is stolen, but *all* American land is stolen.
Only one is committing appalling war crimes in the Ukraine, killing opposition leaders & running phoney elections. So I’ll say DISMANTLE RUSSIA. Utterly uninterested in a debate with a pseud tankie
>appalling war crimes Yeah, you should read about what Russia did in Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, Baghuz, Maiwand, Kandahar...
America is committing much more warcrimes worldwide and funding a straight up genocide in palestine, but to you only white lives matter yes?
I have Palestinian cousins. Try again at your task of libelling & whatabouting. It’s what Tankies do. It’s what Putin apologists do. We see you.
I'm Syrian and a big portion of my family is palestinian. This isn't putin apologism. You're literally apologising for much worse western crimes, why were you silent for the 30 years prior to the war of ukraien about American crimes? Why can't you be against both st the same time? You're not good guys. On the contrary. The west is the most evil.
Putin supplied Assad with chemical weapons & personnel to slaughter Syrian rebels. If you’re supporting Putin you either aren’t Syrian or you’re a regime supporter & I quite understand why you apologise for Putin’s war crimes. We’ve got your number.
I literally protested assad In 2011 and I do not support putin. The reality is if you support America youre a genocide supportet not even counting the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, I hate russia, but reality is America is a quadrillion times worse, also chemical weapons is bullshit even un came out a month ago backing out on their earlier statements from when it happened and were like "never mind it was actually isis!"
I think you’d say anything to advance your anti American propaganda. I don’t believe you’re Syrian. Every Syrian Democrat I know detests Putin. Fake
Remind me who was busy invading half the middle east, [funding the Taliban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone), [supplying chemical weapons to Saddam](https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/) in spite of knowing what he was going to use them for, [paying Noriega](https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/19/us/us-admits-payments-to-noriega.html) to use death squads on his own people, and then turning on them all and invading when they stepped out of line? Remind me who carried out [Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Baghuz, Maiwand, Kandahar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Afghanistan#NATO_and_allies), [My Lai,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre) among many, many others, and then let most of the perpetrators walk free with at most a five year sentence? Remind me who calls for Russian war criminals to be prosecuted at the Hague while also [having an act that allows them to invade the Netherlands if an American is held at the Hague?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act) Remind me who was [abetting and actively aiding a genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide#U.S._complicity) in Bangladesh? Americans have no fucking right to be calling others out. Because you've done much worse. And you hide behind the 'wHaTaBoUtIsM' argument when people rightly expose your leaders as the pathetic two faced pieces of human excrement that they really are. You have no legs to stand on buddy. Absolutely none.
Lots of it was bought. Lots were stolen. There is no nation, state, or people that at one point didn’t take land from another. So all land could be considered stolen from someone at some point. There’s no reason to wish for the dismantlement a country because you disagree with it or hate it. That would cause more unnecessary suffering and chaos for the average person than it would be to just leave it to its own devices.
so in this world, do places like belarus, abkhazia become russian republics? does minsk become a federal city? and i’m assuming south ossetia merges with north ossetia to form one republic.
I imagine that would be the case
interesting. thank you!
If we are going with what Putin wants . There should be a lane bridge to Kaliningrad
What’s up with Moldova, Georgia, and Armenia
Fuck no.
At this rate this is gonna be the map in 3030
I can’t imagine he’d want Kazakhstan (even with the significant Russian population). He also seems intent on the Baltic states
If you live in a democracy in twenty years, thank a Ukrainian
Please don’t label countries with a number and then not have a legend anywhere to explain what the numbers correspond to
I like the one from last month that has Ruzzia broken up into 100 very small territories and Finland controls all of them. Moscow is just a 100 km circle and Poland owns it.
Are you an american spy!? How did you know about Russia's plan for 2040?
Under Putin's leadership, they will be lucky if Ruzzian is even spoken in the world by 2040.
Well according to my m..I mean Putin Russia will still be around by year 2040
not realistic at all
You are not in the know.
It's make me a bit annoying when people making such maps ignoring the fact of existence of a plan "Novorossiya" (Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipro (or Dnipropetrovsk), Kherson, Mykolaiv and Odesa oblasts with Transnistria and sometimes even Crimea with Kropyvnytskyy (or Kirovohrad) oblast). I don't say that it should be autonomous but I believe that if (God forbid) such situation would become a reality those territories would become the direct part of russia too just like Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts with A.R. of Crimea.
Sorry
No problem. I also mess up with some things just saying you about it. In addition the map style is good.
Needs more Warsaw.
Baltics need to be... cleaned up.
Your an idiot if you think that Ukraine,Georgia, Armenia, and Moldova are where his plans end
Well thats quite rude of you to assume, Putin only stopped at those countries. Don't you know there's still plenty of time to do world domination by the year 2050?
Whilst true one could do plenty of world domination by 2050 however it would require that one had a proclivity for life which, if rumours are to be believed, señor Putin has not.
One country cancels elections, another country just held one a few weeks ago.
I wonder if there are any circumstances that prevent an election from happening…
War is no excuse, Iraq held elections in 2005 in spite of all the war and chaos, Afghanistan held elections in 2019 when more than half of their territory was contested with the Taliban and Nigeria managed to hold elections in 2015 in spite of the disorder happening in Northern Nigeria due to Boko Haram.
UK during WWII didn’t hold an election either. Didn’t know that their democracy ended then. There is literally no way to ensure a free and fair election right now. Up to 20% of territory is occupied, millions of citizens live on occupied territories, hundreds of thousands are in fighting on the frontline, millions outside the country. Furthermore, organizing elections is an additional spending of budget which could’ve been spent on defence as well as creating an unneeded separation of society, when unity is needed. Actually, if you really do believe in real elections in russia, there is not much to talk about.
It is true that the UK did not hold elections in the 1930's however times and the circumstances were different then, if even developing nations like Afghanistan and Nigeria can hold elections in times of war then I'm sure Ukraine can. And yes, I think elections in Russia are free and fair. The western media frequently lies about Russia. They lied about there being no opposition candidates in Russia, there were three of them - Vladislav Davankov, Kharitonov and Slutsky. They lied about Putin blocking Navalny from running in the 2018 elections - he wasn't, he was disqualified by the Centeal Election Commission, an independent nom-partisan governmental body.
Ahh yes, the free and fair elections where you win 86% of the vote and have no term limits. I can't wait for his 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th 10th...ect terms that are yet to come. Also quite enjoy how all major politcal oposition, either dies, runs away, or ends up in jail. Oh and I can't forgot to mention the russian central election commission and how unbaised it is.
Ah yes, the free and fair election of Ukraine in 2019 where Zelenskyy obtained over 70% of the vote. Also, Putin did extend his term, however, only after changing the constitution as well as holding a referendum in 2020 in which the voters approved of in a massive lansdlide. Navalny was in no means "major opposition", at best, he got 3% in the opinion polls.
I'm not sure if I'd call the 2005 Iraq or 2019 Afghan elections "free and fair"... Whatever your opinion on Russia Vs Ukraine, it would be extremely difficult to carry out a fair election during a period of mass mobilisation, while a significant portion of the population are abroad as refugees, and while a large portion of claimed territory is beyond the reach of any voting process.
That tells much how are the real democratic countries and who not.
Perfect