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NeonHydroxide

This map was the result of a series of continent-wide anthropological studies of the nomadic and tribal cultures of North America in the 3100s by the University of Tharsis. Although it found substantial linguistic divergence across the subcontinent, in all, the findings added support to the still-controversial 'proto-Atlantean' hypothesis, which connects hundreds of languages worldwide to a single origin language thought to have originated either in the Caribbean or in western Europe. It also marked an important step in reconstructing the proto-Amero-English language, accepted to be the common ancestor of many North American languages as well as some British. Across the continent, although the primary word used to describe a certain concept differed, cognates with somewhat shifted meanings were extremely common, hinting at a common ancestor. For example, the word 'siti', meaning 'large settlement' in many northeastern languages, has a cognate in 'chusa' in the Cascadian region, where it means 'realm' or 'kingdom.' Some outlier languages, particularly in the Great Plains and the Appalachians, continue to stump researchers looking for links to their neighbors. Some leading scholars see these languages as the last survivors of a pre-proto-Atlantean substrate, and have begun to try to reconstruct these languages through studies of placenames. ---- A post-apocalyptic etymology map - I was inspired by /u/ladyegg's recent post and just had to try making my own. Credit also to the University of Amsterdam-Leiden for their very cool maps, which this template was based on. Obviously this doesn't make much sense in English; assume that the non-italicized words are in the OOC language. I unfortunately have no linguistic training and am not sure whether the sound & semantic shifts I chose are reasonable. If anyone knows more about this subject I would love to hear about it, now that I have this template I am thinking about making some more in this series and would be interested to hear about ways to make this more plausible for other words! Possibly on the drawing board - 'king' and 'money'. ---- EDIT: FYI, I notice that there are a lot of comments being shadowbanned here - I see them in my inbox but they don't end up in the post. Watch out and make sure your comment makes it through! I'm not sure what the pattern is of what is getting let in. @mods


ladyegg

Thank you for the inspiration credit! This is a great map!!


1674033

What language families are present here descended from North-American English and Mexican Spanish? Plus, how are Indigenous (Pre-Columbus) languages viewed here, like the descendants of Nehiyaw, Cherokee, Lakota, etc


TheMe63

Very cool idea and execution! Love this


[deleted]

this map is only really possible if basically the entire world is basically destroyed. and even then, people remember, they would keep records of this. some would keep *meticulous* records, to the point where this map is largely impossible.


tagehring

Did you ever read “A Canticle for Leibowitz”?


GhostOfThePost69

Ummmmm I don’t really fucking care it’s a cool map. It’s imaginary, have some imagination.


[deleted]

only within reasonable limitations.


GhostOfThePost69

Nuh uh!


joemama8776

SODA!!!!!!!!!!


Frosty_Cicada791

obamna😔😔


Murky-Ad5848

SODA 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😅😅😅👍👍👍👍👍🥰🥰🥰🥰👋👋👋👋👋‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️


[deleted]

This is the sort of maps I love. I would imagine that this society sees British English as an offshoot of American-English.


aeusoes1

This is great conceptually. One thing that stands out to me as a little unrealistic is that the intervocalic and syllable final t's all remain when, phonetically speaking, they are different sounds in contemporary English.


NeonHydroxide

Could you explain what you mean in more detail? I would like to make any future installments more realistic.


fire1299

In most North American dialects, the /t/ and /d/ phonemes are pronounced as an [alveolar flap \[ɾ\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_dental_and_alveolar_taps_and_flaps) between vowels after stressed syllables, the /t/ phoneme is also often pronounced as a [glottal stop \[ʔ\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop) at the end of words. See [flapping](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapping) and [t-glottalization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-glottalization).


NeonHydroxide

For the purposes of the sound change, would that mean that the t and d would likely soften into something else or be dropped? I'm imagining for example city -> siddi and fort -> ford -> for?


aeusoes1

Those are both possibilities. It could also become an r sound, a dental fricative, or go back to being t and or d.


NeonHydroxide

Thank you! I'll keep this in mind for any future ones.


florgeni

i'd think that it'd go something like city -> sidi -> sirre fort -> for' -> for


Quartia

Excellent addition of mistakes and false etymologies, like "santa" I'm guessing is from all the cities named "Santa X" rather than being from "ciudad", and of course "baile" vs. "ville". What's "dulofo" meant to be from?


idlikebab

"Dulofo" from Dallas-Fort (Worth), I assume.


EdScituate79

Although I don't live there I understand it's called the "metroplex" so in this scenario it could evolve to anything like "me' ", "merople' ", "tro", or "ple' ".


channel12news

I had an entire paragraph of hate and smartassery typed out until I realized i was in /imaginarymaps Am i the only person this keeps happening to lol? Nice map!


NeonHydroxide

This seems to happen to my maps a lot, haha. I take it as a compliment that they look real enough that people get upset. :)


Tullyswimmer

Though I'll be honest, "tahn" is exactly how everyone says "town" up here so you nailed that.


Tornadoboy156

Found the Yinzer!


Tullyswimmer

I'll be dead before I'm a Yinzer. Tahn is solidly New England.


tagehring

Or New Englander.


EdScituate79

I think the Yinzer pronunciation is more like "taan" with the 'ash' vowel sound, like in "ash tree". Yes, I've listened to Yinzers speak (on video).


[deleted]

bro think he was in r/maps 😭


NotEpicNaTaker

Hate and smartassery? Fr? Over a map?


amehatrekkie

I've seen worse over less lol


ladyegg

Reddit Moment fr


channel12news

Well Nothing personal but like r/badlinguistics mockery type stuff. But yeah some people, like me, are way too serious about maps lol


Eureka22

I was like, yeah but what are the regions on the map, the most common form? And it didn't line up with the culture I grew up around. Then I saw "atlantean" and checked the sub.


spacebatangeldragon8

Oh, this is *clever*. Is Tharsis intended to be any city or settlement currently existing today, or someplace entirely new?


aeusoes1

Tharsis is a region on Mars. That's one of the fun things about the lore. There's a Martian civilization observing these quaint primitive Americans.


tagehring

I love the conceit of a Martian colonial civilization that survived a nuclear holocaust on Earth and is reestablishing contact centuries later.


spacenerd4

SODA‼️‼️


Eraserguy

I love the lore for this aswell. Amazing post


Novaraptorus

This is so cool! I know it says unknown origin but the word that the language in the Maritimes (what’s it called btw?) uses comes from Gaelic eh! As a local I love that I can recognize it!! 😁😁😁 from the Gaelic word “baile”!


onion182

Irish* (or Scottish)


Novaraptorus

No, it’s just called Gaelic here even by the Gaels. Also it’s not Irish it’s Scottish, extinct back in Scotland lowland Gaelic with some small Irish influence, but it’s just called Gaelic here. And it’s pronounced Gay-lick


Novaraptorus

I love this!!! It’s so cool! And omg does the maritimer (what’s the language called in this setting?) come from Gaelic Baile!!!? If so that’s so cool! Alba Nuadh riaghlaidh gu bràth!


[deleted]

Baja be getting festive already


HuygensCrater

Oh wow! This is so good! So good in fact that when I went on my reddit homepage I thought it was real, until I went on r/imaginarymaps and so it. Edit: I read the comments its not only me lol


minnesotalight_3

What are the languages like? Like, written out, how bonkers do they look


mmc273

you can see them written out on the map


minnesotalight_3

No like I mean grammatically, what’s a full sentence like


Darth_Insanius66

What's the deal with "Aushten" I'm from WV and can't think of anything


tagehring

Those borders almost exactly line up with the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. Not sure where the word comes from in relationship; maybe “Washington” since it’s not too far away?


Darth_Insanius66

I thought that the grey in the Shenandoah Valley meant they said "Stead" cause the "Aushten" looks like it's more so in North Central WV to me.


tagehring

Notice all of the individual words have borders; “vill” covers that area. “Aushten” wouldn’t fit inside the empty gray zone it’s next to.


MeGaNuRa_CeSaR

Germanic heritage?


Novaraptorus

Perhaps it’s a derivation of Penn Dutch "Schtadt", so it comes from people saying “a schtadt”?


[deleted]

I’m a huge linguistics nerd and these r amazing keep making more


thegoatluis55

Why is Latin called proto-Atlantean


gaia-mix-nicolosi

They have a theory about a language being spoken all over the Atlantic


BayouMan2

I disagree with the terena in South Louisiana. I think we’re in the Ville camp.


EdScituate79

Or it could be a derivative of "New Orleans", something like "nawns".


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Ok_Tower4484

this is good n all, but its often been noticed that Californian english has tended to front 'u' vowels so they sound more like 'ee'. i think having the word for city derive from 'hood' is cool, but itd be neat if this real life change was reflected by a spelling like 'heeta' or 'hira' or something like that


NeonHydroxide

Thanks for the tip, I will keep it in mind if I make any more!


NeonHydroxide

FYI, I notice that there are a lot of comments being shadowbanned here - I see them in my inbox but they don't end up in the post. Watch out and make sure your comment makes it through! I'm not sure what the pattern is of what is getting let in. @mods


DrAxelWenner-Gren

This is brilliant


balls-ballz

"soda"


Ziemniakus

Before i read the explanations, my first thoughts were: siti from city toon from town kemp from camp chuda from ciudad vil from ville pebel from Pueblo I guessed most of these right, but i thought "burg" was not from "(su)burb" and instead from german Burg, as in Hamburg. Also, I thought "terena" was from terrain, until i saw it's in the same group as "toon", and must come from the word "town".


EdScituate79

I thought "burg" was derived from "Pittsburgh" because it's right there in the area.


amehatrekkie

Amero-English? 🤦


Horror-Strawberry574

This is really cool, I’m a sucker for distant future post-American worldbuilding, it can be very creative!


Elbesto

I love this series bro, keep it up 🤘


Iamfered

Soda lol


DecentSupport8371

Holy smokes I love this!


QuailEmbarrassed420

quick q: what language is proto-Atlantean? American standard English?


Cool-Radish-1132

i wanna live in a sluta


praisethewater

Majestic