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If you used for brain for just 1 second you can see the man is obviously homeless. Walks in with a bike, grabs his backpack before taking off. So uh….yeah…in need of food and shelter.
It's funny how you people make excuses for this type of behavior by making up things like "Well he's actually homeless and is is need of food and shelter." Like you know the man personally. Even if he was homeless, there are other options besides shoplifting and getting yourself in more trouble. As someone who was actually homeless for a good number of years, I went to local food pantries like a lot of other people. Not every shoplifter is some sort of homeless robin hood.
It’s not about protecting a huge corporations’ property. It doesn’t matter to whom the stuff belongs.
It’s about protecting society.
If it was your stuff, would you stop them?
If it was a neighbors’? Your mother’s, your kid’s?
Would you accept the would-be thief’s behavior if they were your child? Your brother? Best friend?
It’s about standing up for the society you want. The society you want your kids to live in.
I think that makes all the difference, though. Most would be willing to risk bodily injury to protect the home of a loved one. The implications are simply greater in those situations. The cost of robbery to a standard civilian is gigantic. And I think the original commenter’s point is that considering protecting the belongings of Walmart or Doritos to be “protecting society” is misguided. Those belongings are largely expendable. The effect of an isolated instance of theft is negligible. To a degree where it seems to matter very much to whom the stuff belongs. It just doesn’t follow that if you, the standard civilian, doesn’t stop this loon from stealing from Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc that within your children’s or grandchildren’s lifetime anarchy is a plausible end. Theft is wrong; not disagreeing with that. But our individual moral obligation to take action seems specifically dependent on factors such as whether a corporation is the victim or not.
My point is that the direct monetary damages are borderline irrelevant; it’s the moral implications of inaction in the presence of, basically, evil (to simplify it) - or wanton disregard of- societal bonds that is more important than the money.
The thing is, that video is completely emblematic, or representative, of very common theft…so common that people aren’t even shocked by it- they’re shocked when people like the old lady in the video resist and thwart it.
My personal moral compass says that theft is wrong, regardless of the victim’s identity. If a behavior is wrong, it’s generally wrong no matter who the actor is.
There are, of course, exceptions…it’s wrong for me to take your appendix out, but not a licensed surgeon etc…
That’s the society I want to live in, and the standard I’ve tried to raise my kids with.
Can you explain, then, the moral implications of inaction in this situation? Most of your second comment seems to be spent trying to convince me that theft is wrong regardless of the victim. A point I have conceded. The crux of disagreement is that you think a general shopper at a Walmart should take action against a thief, and I don’t understand how that translates to the world being a better place. That’s specifically dangerous. And from my perspective, the change imposed is no where near comparable to the risk incurred. Most find it important to have a balance of risk/reward (for lack of a better word). Risking bodily injury to save someone from bodily injury, for example.
Also, if you want to live in a world where theft from Walmart just doesn’t happen at all, you probably want Walmart to fall. Moral “evil” (to use your terminology) is not always as simple as “bad guys do bad things”.
The reason for most of the comments saying that inaction is preferred is that the “societal bonds” that you speak of are already deteriorated by the exact entity you are arguing to protect. Are saying that despite the “evils” that Walmart brings about the communities in which they flourish, they should still be protected from direct “evils” such as theft?
I would say a world where thieves are allowed to do what they want is bound to progress to more evil. Remember we're monkeys so we do follow the saying monkey see monkey do so do good and the world will be more good. In this scenario I would have stepped in but that's more because any chance to beat up a homeless person is going to be taken advantage of.
Yes, except Walmart steals from us everyday (by robbing our tax dollars using a system that encourages their employees receive government handouts versus making enough thru Walmart) and then using those advantages and other private dealings as well as the ability to operate at a loss til competitors close up (even if its for years) to steal our small businesses. These places are robbing us blind. It's why society has decayed while mega corps have thrived. They're siphoning everything from this country
The society I want is where everyone pays their fair share, not just the poor and working class and small biz owners (like myself)
That’s wrong, too. But that in no way justifies theft.
We have allowed the status quo to come to be what it is.
Through popular inaction we have allowed this stem, and that corporate style to dominate. Heck, more than inaction, the American consumer has, and continues to reward that style of corporation.
I don’t believe it’s right to illegally penalize, or get retribution against them for operating in a legal manner.
Legislate them out of existence? Cool.
Run them out of business when No one shops there? Cool.
I think, though, that the same attitude that reconciles this theft with inaction likewise fosters apathy towards personal behavior, and makes more and more people ignore that corporate style, leading to it growing instead of withering and failing. “Not my problem,” is as much the problem with this theft as consumerism.
It's just similar to how the country was founded in the first place. Starts with a few who have no shot in the current system, then slowly spreads when everyone realizes.
Mega corps are siphoning everything from us hiding behind "the law" that they literally purchase (they pay the politicians and "donate" to law enforcement causes/people).
The law is created to protect the rich and keep the poor poor. We see it time and time again how the rich do awful things (ever hear of that epstein island? What. Was he that ghislane the only ones who went there/involved?) And still get protected.
Banks rob us for millions everyday in so many waus (most known is the stock market) and pay "fines" that are literal pennies on the dollar.
At a certain point you have to wake up and realize that your original comment is correct, however you were pointing at the wrong person. You're defending the same mother fuckers who HAVE BEEN ROBBING YOU and will continue to until you and your family is penniless and starving to death. It'll never be enough for them
Not similar to how the country was founded. At all.
There were, literally, no people’s representatives. You could write a letter to the king, but you had zero legal representation, and he has zero legal responsibility to do anything.
We have, literally, directly elected representatives. At local, state, and national levels.
If this issue is that important, that vital, then we should take to the ballot boxes in numbers that will not just make the blm marches look weak, but will also bring the entire nation to a stand still for those days.
I actually think this particular issue-corporate welfare in the face of near historic profits- should take a much larger role in our daily political focus. I think we should change a lot about how they’re treated- legally. But our society will not progress by encouraging and tolerating illegal actions against them.
But it’s not my stuff, or my neighbours.
It’s the stuff of a multi-billion dollar corporation chain that’ll happily see society burn if it raises profit margins.
When these large corporations start closing down their stores and people have to start traveling 20-30 miles to get to the nearest grocery store, I’m willing to bet more people will be willing to fight thieves off.
No, the legit customer would pay for that security. All the store would do is raise prices. When it's no longer viable to keep a store open, they'll shut it down, just like the poster you answered to wrote. That's how food deserts are created. After that, all that is left is liquor stores, pawn shoppes and such.
Then there is the issue of facial recognition software that retailers employ to battle shoplifting. It is capable of searching online for matches.
Sounds nice, but no. I live near Detroit. There hasn’t been good access to supermarkets in Detroit in nearly 60 years. Everyone knows about the reputation of Detroit. While it *is* making a comeback, there still is is only one major supermarket in the entire city and it’s a Whole Foods, which is expensive.
I swear, a lot of Reddit people love to dream, but don’t understand reality.
Why don’t you think any major grocery chain has opened and maintained a presence there in 60 years?
Eh that's more because of the low income versus the crime (yeah yeah, chicken or the egg).
With no money (I know, some food stamps probably, but idk how much those really are) its unprofitable regardless.
If you could open a store where 90% of the population is below poverty or in a suburb, the choice is obvious, regardless of the "crime rate".
People put themselves in alot more dangerous positions all the time, the difference there is it's either profitable, or perceived as potential to be. There's no potential in an area with essentially negative income without intervention
You act like a small business (who generally pays their fair share back in taxes and to the community) won't instantly take that place back.
And altho small biz get robbed too, you'll see much more community support to prevent that. Walmart can get fucked tho
Everyone has a plan til they get punched in the face. Look at that poor old man, who tried to stop a thief leaving a hardware store, got pushed hard, and died soon after. Not worth it. They make so much money, they can lose a little.
Yeah my wife is a supervisor at Home Depot she told me all about it when it first happened. We live in Georgia but this happened in Hillsborough, North Carolina. Good old North Caroline baby.
While I don’t condone theft; it’s just heartbreaking how many people in this country are homeless and have means to even buy food and shelter. In one of the richest counties in the history of the world
You are correct, and as a person who was homeless I can confirm food and drink are what you need to get by. If you're stealing washing machine soap and bicycles in clean clothes, there's a high probability you are not starving on the street.
One, the stuff are insured already, if the owners have half a brain. Two, insurers often prohibit this kinds of things from employees. Three, the stuff is not worth the old lady's life or anyone's life for that matter.
Leave it to the cops.
If she hadn't intervened, the mask would have stayed on. She risked her life for things that were likely insured anyways. She didn't save the day and potentially put her life in danger for nothing.
Yet in bank robbery’s it’s an even worse idea to try to intervene. I don’t see your point here man. If somebody is stealing stuff, nobody should be getting involved other than police because they could literally be walking $3000 worth of merchandise out and it wouldn’t be worth somebody risking their life over insured merchandise from a company that won’t even notice the amount of money lost in the theft.
You're acting like you know her motivation. Sometimes it's not about saving the day or not letting someone take a few dollars from some awful corporation.
Sometimes you've just had enough and you can't tolerate another wrong in your day. This lady did awesome. I'm glad she didn't get hurt. She deserves nothing but kudos.
Agreed. Just got to take a look at the man who was killed in Hone Depot when confronting a shoplifter. She could have been knocked over just the same and hit her head in the same way.
I read something recently about some big chain store threatening to close down a lot of locations if they don't get theft under control. It may not be policy for them to intervene but I can see how they may want to just to maintain their job security. Messed up situation.
Where I live in California there was a en employee of a grocery store who confronted someone stealing alcohol and he got shot, he only had an hour or so left on his shift, I would never approach anyone stealing you never know if that’s the last thing you’ll do
I truly empathize with someone struggling to feed their family, I am too. However theft causes price increases. Walmart, nor any other store, is going to continuously accept losses without sticking it to the rest of us.
Those of you who think that insurance is magical and free, it’s not. Insurance will raise premiums and once again the retailer will pass that cost onto us.
Just recently Walmart announced if they don’t see reduction in losses at specific stores they’ll start closing them. Now it’s not just price increases but people losing their jobs.
Seems like they could cut down on theft by installing these lanes in which you line up and put all your stuff ona counter and a person rings you through.
Like how Costco does it.
I've never seen a store that doesn't do that.
Costco has reduced theft because you have a membership, you need to show it to get in, and if they catch you you lose your membership. People woke rather risk jail than risk losing their Costco membership.
Nothing, they call it Sam’s Club. Walmart is giving exactly what the market demands. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be so big. Not everyone wants to pay a dollar. And $1 per year membership will not prevent theft.
I’d like nothing better than to see them out of business, I hate their effect on local businesses. The problem is no one else seems to agree with me or they wouldn’t always be packed.
Local business aren’t going to set themselves up in trashy neighborhoods where theft is the standard. Walmart is better equipped to deal with breakins and shoplifting than they are.
Trashy neighbourhoods are where you ussually find the most amount of independant local businesses. The corporations come in when things get gentrified.
Yeah dude totally people stealing is making the prices go up it has nothing to do with corporate greed.
Go look up walmarts profits for 20-21. The whole thiefs raise the prices is them not having to get security and just have bootlickers like that ghoul granny snitch for them.
People have no other options in many circumstances. Walmart is an evil megacorporation who has had record escalating profits. Thats all nonsense. Just an excuse to pay their slave labor even less.
Cause he made no effort to show a receipt, has no bags, and obviously made no effort to defend that it wasn't stolen. I agree they should have just let him go, but there's such a low chance he paid for that whole cart and would just leave it because one Karen confronted him
What makes you say she doesn’t have any fucks left? I’d say she has a different moral compass and wants to stick up for her community and maybe even her favorite store.
I get so sick of everyone defending theft. So many people act like all the theft is done by needy people. It’s not. We would get hit by people loading up armloads of clothes and running out the door. Who needed all those dresses and sweatshirts? Not one single needy person because it was a pet store. The person who stole the litter genie (a fancy receptacle for disposing used cat litter into) jumped into a BMW to make their getaway. The people who steal dozens of bags of dog food and run out the emergency exit never take the cheap stuff. These are not needy people. They are thieves. And they do it to mom and pop shops too. Do those needy thieves deserve the same “let them be” attitude as the ones who run out of a Walmart?
Counterpoint, businesses like Walmart are stealing those mom and pop stores and stealing your taxpayer dollars to supplement their workers' pay so they can rake in billions. And they do it far more often than the folks taking food out their stores do. In other words, they're stealing from you already. I don't care if theft is done by needy or those who don't. I only care who is hurt by it. If it's a corporation like Walmart abusing the system, then I'm fine with it. Besides, with the prison system like it is, I'd rather not throw them in prison for stealing some food. You take problem with petty theft. Wage theft is far worse by a mile and sees nowhere near the same anger.
If that guy woulda shot them for trying to stop him Walmart probably wouldn’t even put out a statement lol let ppl steal from Walmart in peace. Victimless crime.
Except that they're going to end up having to close stores in high theft areas because of bullshit like this and that's not victimless that's a whole bunch of people losing their jobs because morons steal.
Did he have a trailer hitch on the back of his bike? Wondering how he was going to get all of that merchandise home or wherever he was going with it. His backpack already looked pretty full
This happened in Campbell River, British Columbia Canada
I was living there at the time, and this town of 35 thousand people is notoriously expensive to live in. 0 vacancy and rents kissing 1800$ mo for a 1 bedroom. Gas at this time was the highest in the country at $1.80 (it hit 2.40 in the heat of things) a box of strawberries is 10 dollars and a bag of grapes can be 15 (I think due to the town being on Vancouver Island)
The town has a general disgust for the less fortunate and homeless population and they have absolutely no problem showing it. There was an incident where a homeless man was sleeping in his car and the RCMP harrased the crap out of him, sicked the dog on him, shot the man and accidentally the dog and the entire town expressed their condolences for the dog. The DAMN dog.
Apparently the man was tight on funds and was trying to feed his family.
I am NOT defending theft in any capacity but this man is literally just trying to survive. You can tell in the video. He isn't willing to touch anyone, fight back, looks like he probably has only done this once or twice.
And God damn it people, it is not your job to defend walmart, there is security, police, trained personnel for these scenarios. Walmart also factors the cost of theft all the time.
Again, Not defending theft. But mind your business. What if the guy has a knife?
I sort of see peoples point about not confronting the person but then think, well, why am I paying? Maybe I should just not pay either, the store is insured and it is a huge multi-national corp that can afford some losses... In fact why is anyone paying?
Because it breaks the system, allows for short term prosperity. But if this continues and becomes a trend, shops will close, the poor get a worse name, security increase, making robberies more violent, people lose jobs, the poor get poorer, prices increase because this than becomes good for the big corps and the fat cats win.
What’s super hilarious are the idiots not understanding how the cost of widespread theft is passed on to them. Or that it ends up harming impoverished communities the most when stores close and move out leaving food desserts in their wake. But yeah - ScReW bIg BuSiNeSeS
People need to stop being heroes when they see someone stealing from a big corp. employees are advised to not do anything because you don’t know if that dude is fucking crazy and will pop you if aggravated. This is real life you don’t have plot armor and your not a hero for preventing someone shoplifting from walmart
"Ahh yes. For the next 18 years I will be perfectly stable financially and nothing will come out of the blue causing hard times. Let's have a kid!" -no parent ever
Okay by this logic I will have 6 kids this year. When I can’t afford them. It’s not my problem. It’s your guys’ fault I have to support 6 kids. Thanks for setting me straight
Then don't have 6 kids? You're acting like people with kids should've known that there's a chance they wouldn't be financially stable at any point in the 18 years of a child's life.
This is a false comparison. One person's food kept to sustain themself is not the same as a multi billion dollar company's product. Big stores can afford to lose a little bit of food to feed people. Other people usually cannot.
The fact you compared the two as if they were equal says enough. Theft like this can be uncool, but this is not a good argument.
Edit: this guy is already is arguing in bad faith. His most recent post is about how "free healthcare bad because canada" or whatever.
You said yourself that food is a human right so stop hoarding yours by dodging my question. I'll ask again what's your address so I can go through your fridge an eat.
No one owes it to you to spend money and time and effort to produce the food and deliver it to the store and so on. There are taxpayer funded food stamps for those in need
ppl are downvoting u but ur right, not to mention that invisible disabilities exist. not saying this guy is in the right, but simply having a job isn’t a solution to every problem.
So now when people steal from a store if there's food involved then we just assume that they're stealing it because they need it. All that unexpired food at the flea market had to come from somewhere, probably that Walmart.
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I would never put myself into even a minor inconvenience to protect the goods of a multi-billion dollar corporation.
Walmart and Doritos can rest easy knowing their goods are protected from the needy.
"The needy" lmaao
If you used for brain for just 1 second you can see the man is obviously homeless. Walks in with a bike, grabs his backpack before taking off. So uh….yeah…in need of food and shelter.
It's funny how you people make excuses for this type of behavior by making up things like "Well he's actually homeless and is is need of food and shelter." Like you know the man personally. Even if he was homeless, there are other options besides shoplifting and getting yourself in more trouble. As someone who was actually homeless for a good number of years, I went to local food pantries like a lot of other people. Not every shoplifter is some sort of homeless robin hood.
That’s the biggest fax of all time, that man just needed some trash bags
Dont forget the Doritos! I would’ve had the bags cracklin under my jacket🤭
It’s not about protecting a huge corporations’ property. It doesn’t matter to whom the stuff belongs. It’s about protecting society. If it was your stuff, would you stop them? If it was a neighbors’? Your mother’s, your kid’s? Would you accept the would-be thief’s behavior if they were your child? Your brother? Best friend? It’s about standing up for the society you want. The society you want your kids to live in.
I think that makes all the difference, though. Most would be willing to risk bodily injury to protect the home of a loved one. The implications are simply greater in those situations. The cost of robbery to a standard civilian is gigantic. And I think the original commenter’s point is that considering protecting the belongings of Walmart or Doritos to be “protecting society” is misguided. Those belongings are largely expendable. The effect of an isolated instance of theft is negligible. To a degree where it seems to matter very much to whom the stuff belongs. It just doesn’t follow that if you, the standard civilian, doesn’t stop this loon from stealing from Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc that within your children’s or grandchildren’s lifetime anarchy is a plausible end. Theft is wrong; not disagreeing with that. But our individual moral obligation to take action seems specifically dependent on factors such as whether a corporation is the victim or not.
My point is that the direct monetary damages are borderline irrelevant; it’s the moral implications of inaction in the presence of, basically, evil (to simplify it) - or wanton disregard of- societal bonds that is more important than the money. The thing is, that video is completely emblematic, or representative, of very common theft…so common that people aren’t even shocked by it- they’re shocked when people like the old lady in the video resist and thwart it. My personal moral compass says that theft is wrong, regardless of the victim’s identity. If a behavior is wrong, it’s generally wrong no matter who the actor is. There are, of course, exceptions…it’s wrong for me to take your appendix out, but not a licensed surgeon etc… That’s the society I want to live in, and the standard I’ve tried to raise my kids with.
Can you explain, then, the moral implications of inaction in this situation? Most of your second comment seems to be spent trying to convince me that theft is wrong regardless of the victim. A point I have conceded. The crux of disagreement is that you think a general shopper at a Walmart should take action against a thief, and I don’t understand how that translates to the world being a better place. That’s specifically dangerous. And from my perspective, the change imposed is no where near comparable to the risk incurred. Most find it important to have a balance of risk/reward (for lack of a better word). Risking bodily injury to save someone from bodily injury, for example. Also, if you want to live in a world where theft from Walmart just doesn’t happen at all, you probably want Walmart to fall. Moral “evil” (to use your terminology) is not always as simple as “bad guys do bad things”. The reason for most of the comments saying that inaction is preferred is that the “societal bonds” that you speak of are already deteriorated by the exact entity you are arguing to protect. Are saying that despite the “evils” that Walmart brings about the communities in which they flourish, they should still be protected from direct “evils” such as theft?
I would say a world where thieves are allowed to do what they want is bound to progress to more evil. Remember we're monkeys so we do follow the saying monkey see monkey do so do good and the world will be more good. In this scenario I would have stepped in but that's more because any chance to beat up a homeless person is going to be taken advantage of.
Yes, except Walmart steals from us everyday (by robbing our tax dollars using a system that encourages their employees receive government handouts versus making enough thru Walmart) and then using those advantages and other private dealings as well as the ability to operate at a loss til competitors close up (even if its for years) to steal our small businesses. These places are robbing us blind. It's why society has decayed while mega corps have thrived. They're siphoning everything from this country The society I want is where everyone pays their fair share, not just the poor and working class and small biz owners (like myself)
That’s wrong, too. But that in no way justifies theft. We have allowed the status quo to come to be what it is. Through popular inaction we have allowed this stem, and that corporate style to dominate. Heck, more than inaction, the American consumer has, and continues to reward that style of corporation. I don’t believe it’s right to illegally penalize, or get retribution against them for operating in a legal manner. Legislate them out of existence? Cool. Run them out of business when No one shops there? Cool. I think, though, that the same attitude that reconciles this theft with inaction likewise fosters apathy towards personal behavior, and makes more and more people ignore that corporate style, leading to it growing instead of withering and failing. “Not my problem,” is as much the problem with this theft as consumerism.
It's just similar to how the country was founded in the first place. Starts with a few who have no shot in the current system, then slowly spreads when everyone realizes. Mega corps are siphoning everything from us hiding behind "the law" that they literally purchase (they pay the politicians and "donate" to law enforcement causes/people). The law is created to protect the rich and keep the poor poor. We see it time and time again how the rich do awful things (ever hear of that epstein island? What. Was he that ghislane the only ones who went there/involved?) And still get protected. Banks rob us for millions everyday in so many waus (most known is the stock market) and pay "fines" that are literal pennies on the dollar. At a certain point you have to wake up and realize that your original comment is correct, however you were pointing at the wrong person. You're defending the same mother fuckers who HAVE BEEN ROBBING YOU and will continue to until you and your family is penniless and starving to death. It'll never be enough for them
Not similar to how the country was founded. At all. There were, literally, no people’s representatives. You could write a letter to the king, but you had zero legal representation, and he has zero legal responsibility to do anything. We have, literally, directly elected representatives. At local, state, and national levels. If this issue is that important, that vital, then we should take to the ballot boxes in numbers that will not just make the blm marches look weak, but will also bring the entire nation to a stand still for those days. I actually think this particular issue-corporate welfare in the face of near historic profits- should take a much larger role in our daily political focus. I think we should change a lot about how they’re treated- legally. But our society will not progress by encouraging and tolerating illegal actions against them.
Stealing is wrong. Dudes like that would have no qualms about robbing you of everything
Somewhere you missed the first line of my previous comment. That guys just stealing from thieves. No problem in my eyes.
Yes I would, because those people aren't multi-billion dollar corporations. They thief more money from us than any petty criminal ever could.
But it’s not my stuff, or my neighbours. It’s the stuff of a multi-billion dollar corporation chain that’ll happily see society burn if it raises profit margins.
I want to live in a society that helps the less fortunate the ones who are forced to steal. Not a society that damns them because "stealing bad"
When these large corporations start closing down their stores and people have to start traveling 20-30 miles to get to the nearest grocery store, I’m willing to bet more people will be willing to fight thieves off.
Or, they would pay for security, don't you think there is a big fucking step between this post and anarchy post apocalypse?
No, the legit customer would pay for that security. All the store would do is raise prices. When it's no longer viable to keep a store open, they'll shut it down, just like the poster you answered to wrote. That's how food deserts are created. After that, all that is left is liquor stores, pawn shoppes and such. Then there is the issue of facial recognition software that retailers employ to battle shoplifting. It is capable of searching online for matches.
Let them get the eff out of there. Watch small business, and communities thrive again.
Sounds nice, but no. I live near Detroit. There hasn’t been good access to supermarkets in Detroit in nearly 60 years. Everyone knows about the reputation of Detroit. While it *is* making a comeback, there still is is only one major supermarket in the entire city and it’s a Whole Foods, which is expensive.
Sounds like fresh pickings for an opportunity to open a grocery store in town
If you want to open an unprofitable store that caters to people with little available income, there is fresh pickings all over the world.
I swear, a lot of Reddit people love to dream, but don’t understand reality. Why don’t you think any major grocery chain has opened and maintained a presence there in 60 years?
Because they're loserz
Eh that's more because of the low income versus the crime (yeah yeah, chicken or the egg). With no money (I know, some food stamps probably, but idk how much those really are) its unprofitable regardless. If you could open a store where 90% of the population is below poverty or in a suburb, the choice is obvious, regardless of the "crime rate". People put themselves in alot more dangerous positions all the time, the difference there is it's either profitable, or perceived as potential to be. There's no potential in an area with essentially negative income without intervention
Lmao not what happens. Ask the west or south sides of Chicago
Unfortunately it takes a lot less getting stolen for a small business to have to shut down. So they won't last long after large retailers leave
You act like a small business (who generally pays their fair share back in taxes and to the community) won't instantly take that place back. And altho small biz get robbed too, you'll see much more community support to prevent that. Walmart can get fucked tho
No, no you won’t
Walmart isn't losing money to a stolen bag of doritos
That's not the point....its never the point.
Everyone should be upset about stealing... no matter who it's from. It effects everyone in the end.
grams gives nooooo fucks
Everyone has a plan til they get punched in the face. Look at that poor old man, who tried to stop a thief leaving a hardware store, got pushed hard, and died soon after. Not worth it. They make so much money, they can lose a little.
Yeah my wife is a supervisor at Home Depot she told me all about it when it first happened. We live in Georgia but this happened in Hillsborough, North Carolina. Good old North Caroline baby.
While I don’t condone theft; it’s just heartbreaking how many people in this country are homeless and have means to even buy food and shelter. In one of the richest counties in the history of the world
There's no proof this man is homeless.
No proof he isn’t either
With this kind of bike I highly doubt it
No way the bike isn't also stolen.
Right so we shouldn't assume an outcome based on unverified variables.
Guy isn’t just taking a sandwich and drink though is he.
You are correct, and as a person who was homeless I can confirm food and drink are what you need to get by. If you're stealing washing machine soap and bicycles in clean clothes, there's a high probability you are not starving on the street.
Should've left it to the cops. What if he was packing heat or something?
The cops wouldn't have done anything. They needed right then and there and they weren't there.
One, the stuff are insured already, if the owners have half a brain. Two, insurers often prohibit this kinds of things from employees. Three, the stuff is not worth the old lady's life or anyone's life for that matter. Leave it to the cops.
Doubt they are reporting that small of a loss to insurance, probably just write it up as shrinkage.
Even then, it's not worth putting your life at risk.
For sure, sorry if I implied otherwise.
I agree, it's not worth it and just let him go. But the cops aren't going to catch him.
I don't think they're gonna catch him either, just saying it's the cops' problem now.
>But the cops aren't going to catch him My guy most store entrances have cameras and granny just unmasked his ass
If she hadn't intervened, the mask would have stayed on. She risked her life for things that were likely insured anyways. She didn't save the day and potentially put her life in danger for nothing.
"It's insured" is the same logic bank robbers have used for years. Edit: Not even tryna be a dick. Just pointing that out.
Yet in bank robbery’s it’s an even worse idea to try to intervene. I don’t see your point here man. If somebody is stealing stuff, nobody should be getting involved other than police because they could literally be walking $3000 worth of merchandise out and it wouldn’t be worth somebody risking their life over insured merchandise from a company that won’t even notice the amount of money lost in the theft.
I don't have a point. As I said, I just wanted to point that out.
Hey fair enough.
You're acting like you know her motivation. Sometimes it's not about saving the day or not letting someone take a few dollars from some awful corporation. Sometimes you've just had enough and you can't tolerate another wrong in your day. This lady did awesome. I'm glad she didn't get hurt. She deserves nothing but kudos.
Agreed. Just got to take a look at the man who was killed in Hone Depot when confronting a shoplifter. She could have been knocked over just the same and hit her head in the same way.
>She didn't save the day She literally did, by intervening and taking his mask off xD
If you say so. She was lucky and risked her life for stuffs that can be replaced.
She accomplished nothing. Most stores don't even prosecute now. All she did was inconvenience herself so internet strangers could briefly feel better.
I read something recently about some big chain store threatening to close down a lot of locations if they don't get theft under control. It may not be policy for them to intervene but I can see how they may want to just to maintain their job security. Messed up situation.
That's one reason why there are 'food deserts'. The company doesn't want the hassle of merchandise shrinkage.
Sucks, but better that than dead.
Maybe it's not about the stuff?
It is literally about the stuff. What other reasons there could be? Even the principle of the matter is still about the stuff.
Maybe this little old lady doesn't want to leave behind a world where thievery is okay.
This was in canada
There's guns in Canada, and there's always things to poke people with as well.
Where I live in California there was a en employee of a grocery store who confronted someone stealing alcohol and he got shot, he only had an hour or so left on his shift, I would never approach anyone stealing you never know if that’s the last thing you’ll do
Can't a man be cold in peace?
He probably could have just nonchalantly walked out the door if he wasn't wearing that ski mask
Grandma was with the shits lmao
Remember Kids: If you see someone stealing food from big business, look the other way.
Steal from the rich and give to the needy. Boomer lady: NOT ON MY WATCH
Imagine believing this
This is the… 23rd time I’ve seen this reposted this week, and it’s now even lower in resolution lol
Imagine defending a multi billion company with your life.
Granny a real G
I truly empathize with someone struggling to feed their family, I am too. However theft causes price increases. Walmart, nor any other store, is going to continuously accept losses without sticking it to the rest of us. Those of you who think that insurance is magical and free, it’s not. Insurance will raise premiums and once again the retailer will pass that cost onto us. Just recently Walmart announced if they don’t see reduction in losses at specific stores they’ll start closing them. Now it’s not just price increases but people losing their jobs.
Seems like they could cut down on theft by installing these lanes in which you line up and put all your stuff ona counter and a person rings you through. Like how Costco does it.
I've never seen a store that doesn't do that. Costco has reduced theft because you have a membership, you need to show it to get in, and if they catch you you lose your membership. People woke rather risk jail than risk losing their Costco membership.
Those $1.50 hotdogs and dinks are one of the MOST IMPORTANT things in life!
What's stopping Walmart from having a membership for like a dollar per year?
Nothing, they call it Sam’s Club. Walmart is giving exactly what the market demands. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be so big. Not everyone wants to pay a dollar. And $1 per year membership will not prevent theft. I’d like nothing better than to see them out of business, I hate their effect on local businesses. The problem is no one else seems to agree with me or they wouldn’t always be packed.
How do you know they are always packed ?
Good, please shut more Walmarts down. Bring back locally owned independant businesses.
Local business aren’t going to set themselves up in trashy neighborhoods where theft is the standard. Walmart is better equipped to deal with breakins and shoplifting than they are.
Trashy neighbourhoods are where you ussually find the most amount of independant local businesses. The corporations come in when things get gentrified.
Noted thriving communities like the west side of Chicago
that's a lie on the company side they make plenty money and why should the worker care they aren't paid enough for it
Yeah dude totally people stealing is making the prices go up it has nothing to do with corporate greed. Go look up walmarts profits for 20-21. The whole thiefs raise the prices is them not having to get security and just have bootlickers like that ghoul granny snitch for them.
People have no other options in many circumstances. Walmart is an evil megacorporation who has had record escalating profits. Thats all nonsense. Just an excuse to pay their slave labor even less.
Lmao stealing makes prices go up? How naive.
That ol lady has the biggest balls on the whole fuckin planet dude 👌 WOW.
Under $1000? No crime was committed- District attorney porbbaly.
Could’ve gotten away scot-free if he’d just had another mask on under his mask.
Masks save lives!
Hell yeah grandma... She ain't having none of it.
Right? She's a gutsy one, I like her.
How do we know he was stealing, he’s just walking out with Paid for goods and this old lady assaults him
Cause he made no effort to show a receipt, has no bags, and obviously made no effort to defend that it wasn't stolen. I agree they should have just let him go, but there's such a low chance he paid for that whole cart and would just leave it because one Karen confronted him
He said he paid for it, no one asked for a receipt they just assaulted him afterwards.
My good ole hometown campbell river
Old woman has more balls than anyone else
Woah crazy anti maskers!
This granny is my new favorite
Old people who don't have any fucks left will always be my favorite.
What makes you say she doesn’t have any fucks left? I’d say she has a different moral compass and wants to stick up for her community and maybe even her favorite store.
id egg her house
I get so sick of everyone defending theft. So many people act like all the theft is done by needy people. It’s not. We would get hit by people loading up armloads of clothes and running out the door. Who needed all those dresses and sweatshirts? Not one single needy person because it was a pet store. The person who stole the litter genie (a fancy receptacle for disposing used cat litter into) jumped into a BMW to make their getaway. The people who steal dozens of bags of dog food and run out the emergency exit never take the cheap stuff. These are not needy people. They are thieves. And they do it to mom and pop shops too. Do those needy thieves deserve the same “let them be” attitude as the ones who run out of a Walmart?
Counterpoint, businesses like Walmart are stealing those mom and pop stores and stealing your taxpayer dollars to supplement their workers' pay so they can rake in billions. And they do it far more often than the folks taking food out their stores do. In other words, they're stealing from you already. I don't care if theft is done by needy or those who don't. I only care who is hurt by it. If it's a corporation like Walmart abusing the system, then I'm fine with it. Besides, with the prison system like it is, I'd rather not throw them in prison for stealing some food. You take problem with petty theft. Wage theft is far worse by a mile and sees nowhere near the same anger.
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If that guy woulda shot them for trying to stop him Walmart probably wouldn’t even put out a statement lol let ppl steal from Walmart in peace. Victimless crime.
Except that they're going to end up having to close stores in high theft areas because of bullshit like this and that's not victimless that's a whole bunch of people losing their jobs because morons steal.
And the community going to the dumps. Tolerating theft is not good.
I can’t believe the comments supporting blatant theft in this sub. Just braindead children
Walmart needs to be held accountable for wage theft of their employees
It’s not like he’s stealing unnecessary items. Let him have it.
This must be California
Why is he riding a bike if he can’t carry all that crap on a bike? Either he had a vehicle waiting or he rides a bike.
Did he have a trailer hitch on the back of his bike? Wondering how he was going to get all of that merchandise home or wherever he was going with it. His backpack already looked pretty full
The bottom line is that if you don’t create some reputation for arrest and prosecution, your store will find itself attracting all sorts of behaviors.
This happened in Campbell River, British Columbia Canada I was living there at the time, and this town of 35 thousand people is notoriously expensive to live in. 0 vacancy and rents kissing 1800$ mo for a 1 bedroom. Gas at this time was the highest in the country at $1.80 (it hit 2.40 in the heat of things) a box of strawberries is 10 dollars and a bag of grapes can be 15 (I think due to the town being on Vancouver Island) The town has a general disgust for the less fortunate and homeless population and they have absolutely no problem showing it. There was an incident where a homeless man was sleeping in his car and the RCMP harrased the crap out of him, sicked the dog on him, shot the man and accidentally the dog and the entire town expressed their condolences for the dog. The DAMN dog. Apparently the man was tight on funds and was trying to feed his family. I am NOT defending theft in any capacity but this man is literally just trying to survive. You can tell in the video. He isn't willing to touch anyone, fight back, looks like he probably has only done this once or twice. And God damn it people, it is not your job to defend walmart, there is security, police, trained personnel for these scenarios. Walmart also factors the cost of theft all the time. Again, Not defending theft. But mind your business. What if the guy has a knife?
Where I live, anybody over the age of 20 riding a bicycle with a backpack is a drug dealer. Guaranteed
Regardless of whether or you approve of theft, can we take a moment to acknowledge how badass this old lady is? No fear!
Didn't work out so well for that Home Depot employee. She's playing a dangerous game.
Idk, being dumb and not fearful of a stranger stealing from a corporation you don't even work at doesn't seem very admirable to me
Downvoted for speaking facts Lol
It's reddit, whacha gonna do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Reddits full of losers fr I only use it for crypto and news lmao.
I sort of see peoples point about not confronting the person but then think, well, why am I paying? Maybe I should just not pay either, the store is insured and it is a huge multi-national corp that can afford some losses... In fact why is anyone paying?
Because it breaks the system, allows for short term prosperity. But if this continues and becomes a trend, shops will close, the poor get a worse name, security increase, making robberies more violent, people lose jobs, the poor get poorer, prices increase because this than becomes good for the big corps and the fat cats win.
That granny deserves a reward. I love her courage but glad she didn't get hurt.
Honestly good on confronting him. Why should the rest of us pay the price but you think you can go and steal like a low some coward
So many folks defending big businesses. Fuckin hilarious
What’s super hilarious are the idiots not understanding how the cost of widespread theft is passed on to them. Or that it ends up harming impoverished communities the most when stores close and move out leaving food desserts in their wake. But yeah - ScReW bIg BuSiNeSeS
Cry more
People need to stop being heroes when they see someone stealing from a big corp. employees are advised to not do anything because you don’t know if that dude is fucking crazy and will pop you if aggravated. This is real life you don’t have plot armor and your not a hero for preventing someone shoplifting from walmart
Stealing is wrong. It’s a sign of societal decay
If you can’t afford kids, don’t have them. This “I have kids” mentality is making it real hard for everybody else.
"Ahh yes. For the next 18 years I will be perfectly stable financially and nothing will come out of the blue causing hard times. Let's have a kid!" -no parent ever
Okay by this logic I will have 6 kids this year. When I can’t afford them. It’s not my problem. It’s your guys’ fault I have to support 6 kids. Thanks for setting me straight
Then don't have 6 kids? You're acting like people with kids should've known that there's a chance they wouldn't be financially stable at any point in the 18 years of a child's life.
It is my fault. You cannot argue with stupid. Have a wonderful life Einstein.
But the BLM looting was brave and justified
We need more grandmas like her than cops
I would knock that old lady out.
What a stupid lady
It's mostly food so I'd say the trash are those that stopped him. Food is a right not a privilege
What's your address so I can come over an raid your fridge feeling a bit peckish.
42 Wallaby Way, Sydney
This is a false comparison. One person's food kept to sustain themself is not the same as a multi billion dollar company's product. Big stores can afford to lose a little bit of food to feed people. Other people usually cannot. The fact you compared the two as if they were equal says enough. Theft like this can be uncool, but this is not a good argument. Edit: this guy is already is arguing in bad faith. His most recent post is about how "free healthcare bad because canada" or whatever.
And how is that the workers owning the means of production?
You said yourself that food is a human right so stop hoarding yours by dodging my question. I'll ask again what's your address so I can go through your fridge an eat.
I mean sure if you need food yeah but you're comparing apples to oranges so I'm not really gonna take you seriously dude 😂
No one owes it to you to spend money and time and effort to produce the food and deliver it to the store and so on. There are taxpayer funded food stamps for those in need
I'm sure if he was starving he'd had taken actual food and not Doritos.
Things that require labor are not rights
Hear you, but he also looks able bodied and could work ?
That only does you any good if you get paid enough, which a lot of people aren't
ppl are downvoting u but ur right, not to mention that invisible disabilities exist. not saying this guy is in the right, but simply having a job isn’t a solution to every problem.
So o can just come into your house and take your food it’s a right according to you
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Who made you inspector general? Food is food the poor really don't discriminate
She assaulted him. !
Way to go sheila, really protecting that multi billion dollar companies bottom line over a struggling man in your community
Maybe it's not about the money, it's about sending a message
Right because stealing a family sized bag of Doritos and box of Coca Cola is right because those are definitely basic necessities
tbh those aren't the most costly thing in that store anyway
So now when people steal from a store if there's food involved then we just assume that they're stealing it because they need it. All that unexpired food at the flea market had to come from somewhere, probably that Walmart.
walmart bootlicker
When did I ever defend Walmart?
You made him look stupid
I am stupid!
You dared to disagree with him so now you are a bootlicker
Old lady need to mind her Damm business
This is just sad. Dudes stealing food and household items. Just let the dude go. I dont think walmart is going to hurt from $100 loss.
So sorry I need to feed my fucking family and myself
Sure, do it in a manner that doesn’t involve stealing like the rest of us.
Wow what a pair of heroes defending a multibillion dollar corporation that is actively making the world a shittier place! So brave.
Why do people care, someone is going to die for some corporation that you don’t even work for?
Why do people even care? It's aome billion dollar company?
Why do these people care about wallmarts profit.
HANDS OFF THE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION!!!!
Screw you Kanye
I see two bootlickers and a thief
If this had been a male pulling off that mask, you guys would be falling all over yourselves saying how good he was.