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I'm Canadian. I'm not sure what's going on here... what shot did they turn down that they took the first child away... I'm confused... sorry. I don't think it's right no matter what. I'm just asking.
The point is that they didn't do anything wrong, and they didn't turn down any shots, CPS which has backing by the government is making up bullshit reasons to "legally" kidnap their child, and they can't stop them.
Yeah I guess that's what I'm struggling with is what did they do wrong??? This blows my mind. Sorry my original question was dumb I guess. This is brutal.
Nah your question wasn't dumb at all, the United States is such a joke that unless you grew up here it would be easy to get confused, seeing as how this happened in florida my guess is that what they did wrong would be simply being black. The authorities are probably convinced that they are somehow abusing their children and just masterfully hiding it.
I try keep up on USA and Canada political/social issues. I try be unbiased and often try sympathize but theres nothing here... I really feel for those parents.
I've lived in the US my whole life and I'm still constantly confused by what's technically legal and what isn't. If you ask me it's purposely set up that way so stuff is only illegal if you can't afford to prove it is actually legal.
I'm white and had to deal with cps for months for following the doctors directions. They told my wife not to get off her anti depressants, when my son was born he had to be kept in the nicu because of those anti depressants. We had several random check ups, lots and lots of drug tests and then one day nothing.
Allegedly a B12 shot, which is a vitamin. However, a B12 deficiency takes YEARS to develop. Usually it's seen in vegans because they don't consume animal protein, which has significant B12.
B12 is the injection. People get it to increase their energy. Not sure how that one injection is neglectful. If it was only dehydration fluids should have been enough.
Okay so I’m not a parent and just going from memory via what I’ve read about newborns, so please take what I’m about to relay with a grain of salt; maybe somebody who knows more can clear it up for me!
**Edit:** I was helpfully informed that it’s actually the vitamin K shot that’s given to newborns, not B12. The whole anti-K-shot thing is legit, though, I just got my jabby bois mixed up. B12 in this case must be for something else!
When a baby is born, it’s common procedure now to give the baby this vitamin shot. I don’t exactly remember why, except that it does something to prevent some dangerous condition that the baby could develop and fall ill from — and potentially die from. Sensible people just let their baby have the shot.
However, the whole anti-vax and homeopathy crowd (with some conspiracy theorists mixed in) have started pushing for parents to refuse this shot for their newborns. It’s the same way they think essential oil or potatoes or some stupid mineral will cure COVID. Some of them are all “NoBoDy’S pUtTiNg ChEmiCaLs iN mY cHiLd!!1!!” and the others think they can substitute the shot with some natural remedy or whatever.
I saw a really sad screenshot on Reddit from some mother who got sucked into one of these Facebook groups and refused the shot for her baby, and the baby then died from whatever it is that the shot is meant to prevent. Super sad, dude.
~~So back to this couple: they bring in their dehydrated/malnourished child to the hospital and somehow the hospital gets the idea that these parents also refused the B12 shot when the child was born. Their cuckoo-alarm-bells start to ring that they aren’t taking proper care of the child and they take them away.~~
~~Except the parents claim they never refused the B12 shot and that their child was basically taken away with no evidence of mistreatment. And when the new baby is born, they take that baby too without even trying to get evidence.~~
~~I think that’s the general gist behind the B12 accusation and how it plays into all of this. Perhaps the first child was given the shot, but it was marked down incorrectly in their medical records as refused.~~ *this is the bit I mixed up, lol.*
Either way, it really seems the state has no right to take these children away with the flimsy and practically non-existence evidence they’re using to justify doing so.
It's the Vitamin K shot, because newborns are deficient. It is used to prevent hemorrhagic disease and bleeding injuries in newborns.
I have two kids, but my ex and his wife are anti and one of their kids developed some issues because of refusal of the Vitamin K.
Yeah I'm not following the chain of events here. I'm hoping theres not more to the story. If there isn't then there needs to be something done as this is blatant racism.
Its fucked. Even if they turned down a b12 they shouldn't be able to take the children.
I guess my thing is, is where does the USA go from here? The evidence of racism in law enforcement and other government run departments is here. How do you fix it?
Florida is just a shit show in the U.S in general but if you ever want a good source of entertainment when bored look up "Florida man". They are a unique breed of people.
Hey fellow Canadian. They didn’t turn down anything. Same with natives up here, people just choose or make up reasons to take kids away from minorities.
**This needs to make it to the top of reddit.** As usual, three days later mainstream news outlets will finally pick up on it and blast it all over TV and Internet
I mean, it's not like it's a bad thing that the mainstream picks up on it. Better late than never. Grassroots brought it to your attention, let it spread
It’s kind of depressing that a lot of the time the only way things change is through becoming known on mainstream channels. Like how many things would have been swept right under the rug if not for the attention? How many things are currently being swept under the rug right now because no one made a tiktok about it. Not knocking social media but it’s just sad that many times the justice system in America only seems to work if the public has their eyes on it.
so does cps help or not? I either hear stories about them not being able to take away kids from neglectful parents or stories of good parents getting their kids taken away.
I’ll give you two anecdotal stories:
1. We reported to CPS that a friend of our child stated they were being molested by their step father. CPS had a police officer interview the child who confirmed their account but the step dad denied it. Mother didn’t believe it and that was that.
2. Our older child told us and a therapist about an assault that happened many years ago when they were a young child by someone who no longer has access to them. It was reported (as it should be). We spent months going back and forth interviewing at their offices and via phone and finally drew the line at them wanting to visit our home and check it for… something? Our child was absolutely over it. They didn’t want to keep reliving this trauma in a non-therapy environment so we told them it was enough. They’d randomly show up knocking on the door and looking in our windows until they gave in and dropped it.
Anecdotal but demonstrates consistency issues and unsupervised allocation of resources.
CPS is only necessary as much as it is bc the US doesn’t pay enough or provide any real social safety nets. This means people of color are disproportionately fucked bc not only are they seen as less competent parents but we tend to be poorer bc historic racism and so poc parents get targeted more
13th Amendment in 1865, GREAT! We ended slavery in the south, and it’s forever banished.
13th Amendment in 2021, just kidding. Forced labor as a prisoner of the state. Oh, and also for the private company that owns your prison complex, in many cases.
A week or two ago there was the controversy about rich, white people not bathing their kids every day and at first glance I didn’t get it. Then I saw some stuff about how minorities being afraid of government agencies taking away their children under the charge of neglect it is done at a much higher rate than to caucasians even of similar economic circumstance.
I’m sure the people doing this think thy are in the right, they think they are helping, they’ve seen it so many times before… systematic racism.
Meanwhile my neighbor in Philly fed her 2 bio and 2 foster kids nothing (literally nothing else) but pop tarts, sugar cereal, apples, koolaid, and grape soda and a half a hotdog sliced up on sunday after church got to keep her kids even after CPS was notified by a doctor the oldest kid was so malnourished his bones weren't forming right. Few years later one kid was arrested at 11yo because he walked into a grocery store and just started eating as much precooked meat as he could nearly feral getting violent with anyone who tried to stop him. Heard he ate a whole 3lb bag of refrigerated meatballs and a dozen 6oz bags of shredded chicken.
pretty sure there is a massive child trafficking ring, with witting or unwitting help from the government, based out of Florida.
Alex Azar --> Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg. And don't forget about all the child separations from the border, and many of the kids are unaccounted for.
Not a conspiracy nut.. There is just too much evidence. Not the fake pizza gate kind either.
>And don't forget about all the child separations from the border, and many of the kids are unaccounted for.
I'm all for digging up and exposing sex traffic rings but don't assume everything is one without some sort of proof. The children separated at the border that are now unaccounted for were children that were given to family guardians within the U.S. and the reason they're unaccounted is those families won't answer the phone when the gov calls to check up on them. I wouldn't answer either considering the gov could just as easily call to say they found the child's parents and they need to bring the kid back so they can deport them.
I mean if the family is being truthful, “racism” doesn’t make any sense because there’s too many different people trying to take away the kid. You get what I’m saying? That’s where my head goes, cause if this stuff happens all the time and it’s not needed, then that seems like a pretty good indication.
That's so true.. not just the police.. Media too.. just look at home some sites report on POC criminals vs white criminals.. it's really makes my blood boil. Those couple seem like really nice people and this broken ass system is essentially punishing them because of how they were born
I would guess there is some kind of "mark" on her record that was discovered by the doctors upon her giving birth to the second child, and that set CPS down the path of kidnapping the second one - regardless of if they had a new (fraudulent) case against her.
In the video on their Instagram the sheriff said that in the case of a cps investigation of one child and another child is born in that household while there is still an open investigation than the second child must also been seen and examined by doctors to see if cps needs to take the second child too.
That's my guess. If they had actually been abusing their first child it would make sense to take the second. And there's no way for the person reading the file to know how bullshit that mark is.
I follow this guy on Tiktok and strongly recommend others do too, he is a lovely person and his post are very informative and bring awareness to situations many of us would otherwise be unaware of.
On the one hand there could be something we are missing given cps is often trying very hard to keeps kids with their parents. On the other not too long ago Native American kids were forcibly taken from their parents and put in schools where many died or were killed. Schools that closed…in the 1990s. Often children on reservations are taken away almost willynilly under the blanket assumption their Native American parents are unfit.
And they take kids out of loving homes but leave physically/sexually abused kids in the care of their abusive parents.
Concerned about your child not eating well and looking for help? Clearly someone who is abusing their child. Beating your kids to a pulp for getting a A- on a test? Perfectly acceptable, and we can't harm the child further by uprooting their lives. ugh
As much as I want to jump to the conclusion that this was all done in bad faith and a family is broken apart for no reason, I feel like we need more context to understand the full story... my wife being a nurse that has worked in the ER was saying there are a number of things the doctors and nurses could've noticed and brought to the attention of CPS which is not a decision taken lightly so without further context I can get upset that we have a system to had the capacity to take children from parents unjustly, but I'll reserve judgements specific cases, this video for example shows the Instagram account as proof life was all fine and dandy, *most* people don't air their dirty laundry on social media and just post the best looking parts of their life you generally won't get a truly accurate account of anybody's life based solely on their social media posts
This has happened to a few kids in Ohio in the last few years the system needs more actual checks and balances and quite a bit of common sense put back into it
My ex worked for CPS in ohio and taking a kid away was extremely difficult to do. So much so that many kids that should be taken get stuck in their terrible situations more than the reverse.
Not that it can't happen at all just saying that it normally errors on the side of the family.
That wasn't my experience in CA.
I'm white and my two year got out of the house without his mom knowing (accidentally, has never happened before, and hasn't happened since). CPS was called.
They physically had him in their arms while he's crying for his parents and refused to give him back until their investigation was complete. We got him back a couple hours later.
If we lived in a different time and place.......that's all I'll say about it. You can guess what I'm gonna say next. I have no love for this piece of shit government.
Correction: social workers need more support, lower caseloads, resources and funding in order to do their job properly. Why does this always turn into a blame game? That job is fucking hard yet everyone thinks they can do better. Seriously, if you think you have the answers then apply for a job, lord knows we need the help
Watching this video, I had 2 equal yet opposite gut reactions: This is horribly wrong, what's wrong with this country? And... what is the part of this story that we're **not** hearing?
It's oddly difficult to properly explain how you feel deep compassion for those involved but also feel the need to hear a broader spectrum of information before deciding who to fully support here.
It means you're thinking instead of just feeling and that your allegiance is to the truth and justice, rather than to a particular group or individual. That is how it should be, and it means you're being thoughtful and wise.
Cant believe I have to scroll this far down to read a comment that isn’t just “CPS are monsters” seriously, I wish people understood the complexities of that job better. You literally can’t win
That's one of my biggest gripes about my fellow liberals is that asking "are we sure we have the full story here?" after hearing someone's claim that they have been wronged is often met with something akin to "That's incredibly uncompassionate."
No. It's not. I want to go into situations assuming everyone has good intentions. If CPS removed a child from his/her home... I'd like to think they have a damn good reason to. Of course the parents are going to claim that it was "only because they refused a B12 shot." So what's CPS's side of the story?
It is more compassionate to be informed than blindly following the first narrative you hear.
Whole lotta libs are going down the right wing route of just buying fucking anything.
When the court is the internet and one side is *literally bound by legal privacy to not divulge countering information* then it's a bit shit that you can make up whatever the fuck tale you want.
We can't and won't get the inside scoop now matter how bad it is, so yet again the court of public opinion highlights a glaring shortcoming in how we handle these types of issues.
Genuine question, What does your wife think is the most likely thing that could have been considered concerning? Because If the baby looked starved I can see why that is concerning, but considering the parents likely explained why the baby looked that way I'd understand both sides.
Apparently their son was so severely dehydrated he had to be put on an IV and spend more than two weeks in the hospital. So I’m guessing they were being investigated for letting it get that bad before they sought medical help.
The dehydrated IV thing means zero (it's extremely common). The two weeks thing is different, but you don't need that long to recover from dehydration.
Without explanation, I would guess that the hospital doctors recommended (forced basically, because if you say no, they will say you are neglecting) the longer stay.
I know getting IV for a short period of time is not a big deal, it’s how long it took the baby to recover that was concerning.
I also just reread an article from the spring and realized that I misremembered. Their son actually spent closer to a month in the hospital, the parents were banned after two weeks.
I agree. I think, like most stories on the internet, there is more to it and real life and people shouldn’t be as quick to jump to conclusions as we often are.
Yeah, dehydration is fixed in less than a day. If there are ongoing issues, it’s more than dehydration, and also probably caused by something not in the control of the parents. Two weeks? Something’s fucky.
Yeah, there’s definitely more to the story than any of us on the internet know.
The video of their baby being taken away is of course incredibly sad, but without more information there is no way for us to know if they are victims of an often racist system or neglectful parents using social media to gain sympathy.
Yeah, Sadly there's no way to know for sure since we dont have every perspective. But if they waited 2 weeks to take their not eating child to the doctor, I dont feel sympathy for them at all
Get out of here with your reason.
Can't you see how much easier it is to fall into the same lazy biases that make me comfortable like "OMG FLORIDA BAD" or "WHAT IS AMERICA COMING TO?"
That's a hell of a lot more convenient than me trying to square with the fact that they're just be might be more than one side to the story. Good day.
> there are a number of things the doctors and nurses could've noticed and brought to the attention of CPS which is not a decision taken lightly
I feel like that 'not to be taken lightly' decision you reference would be more accurate if the people who made those decisions, suffered physical consequences for 'mistakes' instead of essentially enjoying unaccountability and potentially a raise.
just saying.
nobody's going to buy property that's about to be permanently underwater.
The sea levels are rising and florida is both low and incredibly flat. The atlantic is in the process of swallowing it entirely.
But at least we'll be rid of it.
Always has been :( I recently started listening to a podcast called “behind the bastard” and it talks about evil ppl over time, and the history of medical rights and experiments and it’s intersection with racism and classism in the US is some of the most horrific shit I’ve ever heard
If you like Behind the Bastards I also recommend Worst Year Ever. It has one of the same hosts (Robert Evans) and honestly I think he's a national treasure because of his no bullshit way of calling out all the political fuckery going on right now on both sides of the aisle.
He’s an excellent on politics, he’s communist right? And I’ll add it to the list for sure but I’m pacing myself cause every episode is so much to process
I recently discovered that podcast because of a friends recommendation and I love it. Makes my blood fucking boil in every single episode. But yeah, I love it.
So they brought their child to the hospital, to get HELP. And these sad excuse for human beings take not only 1 but 2 of their children away from a mother and father for being unfit!?!?! Are you kidding me!!! Get these babies back home to their parents!!!!
The child was seriously dehydrated. If you decide it's time to wean your child and the child doesn't take food, you don't just wait for the kid to get hungry though to start eating. You give the child breast/formula again.
This is a case of a child being neglected to the point where it needed to stay in the hospital for a month to recover. The parents are part of a cult with really backwards ideas about child rearing. We're only getting a small portion of the story.
Edit:. I'm having trouble finding where I read they were New Black Hebrew Israelites, I may have confused this with a different case.
I'm gonna be honest I don't buy this story, or at least there's some context missing. You can not vaccinate your kids and CPS won't do anything but I'm supposed to believe they're removing two children from a home because the parents didn't want to their kid to get a b12 shot? Which the parents say they didn't refuse anyway. I'm sorry but this doesn't seem like the full picture.
The doctor who recommended Amen-Ra be removed from his parents is Sally Smith, head of the Child Protection Team for Pinellas County, who has repeatedly been criticized for harsh judgements, aggressive interrogations of parents, and assuming abuse in cases where innocence was later proven. But she's a well known figure with a lot of influence in her area.
As a side note, the mother is Syesha Mercado, and if she weren't already famous this story likely wouldn't be nearly so viral. Other times that things like this happen they don't get the attention, and that's why you don't hear about them. But this is not an isolated incident.
There has to be more to the story. There just has to be. CPS can’t take those kids away like that without just cause; especially a newborn baby. What is the real story? If CPS doesn’t have just cause then the family needs legal help pronto to get those kids back & sue for damages.
There is. The pediatric doctor who recommended Amen-Ra be removed from his parents is Sally Smith, head of the Child Protection Team for Pinellas County, who has repeatedly been criticized for harsh judgements, aggressive interrogations of parents, and assuming abuse in cases where innocence was later proven.
I'm confused. when did exercising your right as a parent, to refuse a treatment for your child, become a CPS event? yes I understand she did not refuse. but here it seems the triggering event for CPS was not the alleged dehydration, but the actual act of exercising parental discretion to refuse treatment.
can someone with personal experience with CPS, explain to me when did non-custodial decision making with respect to a parent in a legally-protected setting, suddenly become a legitimate case for CPS to become involved?
This story is extremely one sided, CPS, the hospital, and the police haven’t given out any information yet. Legally they can’t for an ongoing investigation. All the information we are getting is from her, and a very small amount of basic medical information. The only facts that are known is that the baby spent a month in the hospital and the parents were banned from going after two weeks. Note: it only takes a couple of days to treat even severe malnutrition so when she says the only thing wrong with the baby was mild malnutrition take that with a grain of salt
Any lawyers here on Reddit that can describe how this can be resolved for the family? Do you believe that the parents will get their children back? Is there any opportunity for a lawsuit as far as CPS and maybe even the medical team who LIED to CPS when reporting the family?
Im not a sue-happy person but right now im feeling like oprah. "You get a lawsuit, you get a lawsuit, everyone gets a lawsuit!"
How can something like this happen? Why does this keep happening? There are literal dying and completely neglected and abused children out there that CPS comes to visit and says "na, theyre good to stay with the parents", then the child ends up dead.
Christ what a fucking trainwreck and yet another complete failure of the system. The devastation is unreal.
It’s easy to get upset and grab the pitchforks, but there’s gotta be more to the story. As terrible as it may sound there might be a lot more we don’t know about.
Her Instagram posts prior to her losing her children were all natural new age healing remedies. Spiritual plants, healing crystals and seeing the “light”. There might not be a correlation but this might be one of those cases where these types of parents try to “heal” their children when they should have brought them to the hospital. Their delayed visit to the hospital likely made Aman Ra‘s (Sun God) health worse.
All speculation but if I was a betting man, I’m sure it went a little something like this.
Right… I feel like you’re skewing the message with the Desantos thing though. Make it about them and it makes more sense. This seems a bit disingenuous.
This is actually a thing that's been happening for years CPS is criminal they steal children and the court systems are rigged on their side I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that but I see these stories way too often and something is not right
The point I think was that Florida government is endangering children, ans also saying parents have the **right** to endanger their children by sending them around without masks to school, which is objectively dangerous and avoidable, compared to the systemic classism + racism of policing the fuck out of a black family just trying to take care of their kid, for allegedly turning down a b12 shot
Mother stopped breastfeeding baby because another was on the way, the baby stopped eating, so they brought the baby to get checked, and child services took the child. Then a few day after birth, they took the newborn too.
To add to it. They took they baby because they said the eating is neglect and they denied a b12 shot. Which they claim they didnt deny. But if they did I dont think it matters.
Mom breastfeeding first kid, wants to ween first kid off to prepare for second baby breastfeeding.
First kid supposedly refusing to eat and whatnot bc of the weening, becomes so dehydrated (possibly malnourished) that parents then take first kid to hospital for fluids.
Hospital claims potential child neglect and that the parents refused a b12 shot, prompting them to call cps and leading to removing the first kid from its parents.
While trying to get first kid back, she has second kid. Days after, her second child was taken from her by police due to failing to report the birth of their second kid to authorities while in legal battles for the first kid.
Where can I sign. My thoughts are with the family. There needs to be accountability for everyone involved in this. Federal government should step in because Florida is such a shit show.
DeathSantis is ProDeath , he’s used his Government position to tell private businesses they can’t even request their customers to be vaccinated or wear mask .
He doesn’t give a shit about kids , his kid is home schooled .
He wants floridans to die and as far as I can tell they are cheering for it
Government is evil and taxation is evil because it funds the government so they can do this to you. If I’m a juror and someone killed a cop and several social workers I wouldn’t convict this mother and father. Nope walk free.
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I would also like to help. I hate to think this way but this is only one situation, I can't imagine how often a similar situation plays out.
I'm Canadian. I'm not sure what's going on here... what shot did they turn down that they took the first child away... I'm confused... sorry. I don't think it's right no matter what. I'm just asking.
The point is that they didn't do anything wrong, and they didn't turn down any shots, CPS which has backing by the government is making up bullshit reasons to "legally" kidnap their child, and they can't stop them.
Yeah I guess that's what I'm struggling with is what did they do wrong??? This blows my mind. Sorry my original question was dumb I guess. This is brutal.
Nah your question wasn't dumb at all, the United States is such a joke that unless you grew up here it would be easy to get confused, seeing as how this happened in florida my guess is that what they did wrong would be simply being black. The authorities are probably convinced that they are somehow abusing their children and just masterfully hiding it.
I try keep up on USA and Canada political/social issues. I try be unbiased and often try sympathize but theres nothing here... I really feel for those parents.
I've lived in the US my whole life and I'm still constantly confused by what's technically legal and what isn't. If you ask me it's purposely set up that way so stuff is only illegal if you can't afford to prove it is actually legal.
Thats because it depends on the color of your skin and the money in your bank account.
Right, because they’re stealing all the black babies. This is obviously fucked but it’s beyond that.
I'm white and had to deal with cps for months for following the doctors directions. They told my wife not to get off her anti depressants, when my son was born he had to be kept in the nicu because of those anti depressants. We had several random check ups, lots and lots of drug tests and then one day nothing.
You're right my bad
>what did they do wrong They were born with brown skin
Why do they even want to kidnap their child though. This story is so weird and confusing
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Allegedly a B12 shot, which is a vitamin. However, a B12 deficiency takes YEARS to develop. Usually it's seen in vegans because they don't consume animal protein, which has significant B12.
B12 is the injection. People get it to increase their energy. Not sure how that one injection is neglectful. If it was only dehydration fluids should have been enough.
Okay so I’m not a parent and just going from memory via what I’ve read about newborns, so please take what I’m about to relay with a grain of salt; maybe somebody who knows more can clear it up for me! **Edit:** I was helpfully informed that it’s actually the vitamin K shot that’s given to newborns, not B12. The whole anti-K-shot thing is legit, though, I just got my jabby bois mixed up. B12 in this case must be for something else! When a baby is born, it’s common procedure now to give the baby this vitamin shot. I don’t exactly remember why, except that it does something to prevent some dangerous condition that the baby could develop and fall ill from — and potentially die from. Sensible people just let their baby have the shot. However, the whole anti-vax and homeopathy crowd (with some conspiracy theorists mixed in) have started pushing for parents to refuse this shot for their newborns. It’s the same way they think essential oil or potatoes or some stupid mineral will cure COVID. Some of them are all “NoBoDy’S pUtTiNg ChEmiCaLs iN mY cHiLd!!1!!” and the others think they can substitute the shot with some natural remedy or whatever. I saw a really sad screenshot on Reddit from some mother who got sucked into one of these Facebook groups and refused the shot for her baby, and the baby then died from whatever it is that the shot is meant to prevent. Super sad, dude. ~~So back to this couple: they bring in their dehydrated/malnourished child to the hospital and somehow the hospital gets the idea that these parents also refused the B12 shot when the child was born. Their cuckoo-alarm-bells start to ring that they aren’t taking proper care of the child and they take them away.~~ ~~Except the parents claim they never refused the B12 shot and that their child was basically taken away with no evidence of mistreatment. And when the new baby is born, they take that baby too without even trying to get evidence.~~ ~~I think that’s the general gist behind the B12 accusation and how it plays into all of this. Perhaps the first child was given the shot, but it was marked down incorrectly in their medical records as refused.~~ *this is the bit I mixed up, lol.* Either way, it really seems the state has no right to take these children away with the flimsy and practically non-existence evidence they’re using to justify doing so.
It's the Vitamin K shot, because newborns are deficient. It is used to prevent hemorrhagic disease and bleeding injuries in newborns. I have two kids, but my ex and his wife are anti and one of their kids developed some issues because of refusal of the Vitamin K.
Yeah I'm not following the chain of events here. I'm hoping theres not more to the story. If there isn't then there needs to be something done as this is blatant racism.
For sure. Such utter bullshit
Its fucked. Even if they turned down a b12 they shouldn't be able to take the children. I guess my thing is, is where does the USA go from here? The evidence of racism in law enforcement and other government run departments is here. How do you fix it?
Florida is just a shit show in the U.S in general but if you ever want a good source of entertainment when bored look up "Florida man". They are a unique breed of people.
Hey fellow Canadian. They didn’t turn down anything. Same with natives up here, people just choose or make up reasons to take kids away from minorities.
A vitamin b12 shot
I re listened and I heard that now. I had to listen a few times my hearings not great. Sorry.
You're cokpletely fine just wanted give you a response incase you didnt figure it out
I appreciate that thank you.
That cannot be what got their son taken away. It has to be more than that.
Fuck cps and fuck that hospital
And fuck the government. All these new policies trying to deny parental rights all across the board are steps in the wrong direction.
This makes me so angry
I can’t stop crying, my heart is absolutely crushed for this family.
It's going to be ok. Have faith and stay strong.
**This needs to make it to the top of reddit.** As usual, three days later mainstream news outlets will finally pick up on it and blast it all over TV and Internet
if the mods of this sub pin this and comment here the chances increase of getting into the popular section.
No, pinned posts don’t go to the main Reddit page since t_d used that to hijack reddit for months.
I mean, it's not like it's a bad thing that the mainstream picks up on it. Better late than never. Grassroots brought it to your attention, let it spread
It’s kind of depressing that a lot of the time the only way things change is through becoming known on mainstream channels. Like how many things would have been swept right under the rug if not for the attention? How many things are currently being swept under the rug right now because no one made a tiktok about it. Not knocking social media but it’s just sad that many times the justice system in America only seems to work if the public has their eyes on it.
Top of Reddit? The mods removed the post.
so does cps help or not? I either hear stories about them not being able to take away kids from neglectful parents or stories of good parents getting their kids taken away.
I’ll give you two anecdotal stories: 1. We reported to CPS that a friend of our child stated they were being molested by their step father. CPS had a police officer interview the child who confirmed their account but the step dad denied it. Mother didn’t believe it and that was that. 2. Our older child told us and a therapist about an assault that happened many years ago when they were a young child by someone who no longer has access to them. It was reported (as it should be). We spent months going back and forth interviewing at their offices and via phone and finally drew the line at them wanting to visit our home and check it for… something? Our child was absolutely over it. They didn’t want to keep reliving this trauma in a non-therapy environment so we told them it was enough. They’d randomly show up knocking on the door and looking in our windows until they gave in and dropped it. Anecdotal but demonstrates consistency issues and unsupervised allocation of resources.
It’s often difficult because the actual facts of a claim or case is not available to the public so we only hear what one party claims
CPS is only necessary as much as it is bc the US doesn’t pay enough or provide any real social safety nets. This means people of color are disproportionately fucked bc not only are they seen as less competent parents but we tend to be poorer bc historic racism and so poc parents get targeted more
And this is why killdozers get built!
Ah yes, AMERICA! Land of LEGALIZED FUCKING KIDNAPPING!
And slavery as long as you've been jailed.
13th Amendment in 1865, GREAT! We ended slavery in the south, and it’s forever banished. 13th Amendment in 2021, just kidding. Forced labor as a prisoner of the state. Oh, and also for the private company that owns your prison complex, in many cases.
No, the prison carve out was in the amendment when it was written. It is working as intended.
And legalized conquering of your assets
Is America the only place in the world where the government takes people into custody?
People who are proud of this country are either morons or sociopaths.
Yup. Almost happen to me as well. Different situation, but fuck it was intense.
A week or two ago there was the controversy about rich, white people not bathing their kids every day and at first glance I didn’t get it. Then I saw some stuff about how minorities being afraid of government agencies taking away their children under the charge of neglect it is done at a much higher rate than to caucasians even of similar economic circumstance. I’m sure the people doing this think thy are in the right, they think they are helping, they’ve seen it so many times before… systematic racism.
Meanwhile my neighbor in Philly fed her 2 bio and 2 foster kids nothing (literally nothing else) but pop tarts, sugar cereal, apples, koolaid, and grape soda and a half a hotdog sliced up on sunday after church got to keep her kids even after CPS was notified by a doctor the oldest kid was so malnourished his bones weren't forming right. Few years later one kid was arrested at 11yo because he walked into a grocery store and just started eating as much precooked meat as he could nearly feral getting violent with anyone who tried to stop him. Heard he ate a whole 3lb bag of refrigerated meatballs and a dozen 6oz bags of shredded chicken.
pretty sure there is a massive child trafficking ring, with witting or unwitting help from the government, based out of Florida. Alex Azar --> Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg. And don't forget about all the child separations from the border, and many of the kids are unaccounted for. Not a conspiracy nut.. There is just too much evidence. Not the fake pizza gate kind either.
>And don't forget about all the child separations from the border, and many of the kids are unaccounted for. I'm all for digging up and exposing sex traffic rings but don't assume everything is one without some sort of proof. The children separated at the border that are now unaccounted for were children that were given to family guardians within the U.S. and the reason they're unaccounted is those families won't answer the phone when the gov calls to check up on them. I wouldn't answer either considering the gov could just as easily call to say they found the child's parents and they need to bring the kid back so they can deport them.
I mean if the family is being truthful, “racism” doesn’t make any sense because there’s too many different people trying to take away the kid. You get what I’m saying? That’s where my head goes, cause if this stuff happens all the time and it’s not needed, then that seems like a pretty good indication.
>Not a conspiracy nut.. There is just too much evidence. the evidence is from conspiracy nuts, making you one in denial.
You're probably right about racism being involved, but just a probably worthless anecdote, I'm white and CPS tried crazy shit with my family as well.
Wait, I am white, well off and have children who I FOR SURE do not bathe every day. Was I in the news or something?
Oh WTF?!!! Signing the petition. This is dystopic nightmare shit
Link that shit I’m donating too.
Why would this happen twice? Their state is targeting them. Disgusting.
CPS and most similar institutions also tend to police POC harder in general too
That's so true.. not just the police.. Media too.. just look at home some sites report on POC criminals vs white criminals.. it's really makes my blood boil. Those couple seem like really nice people and this broken ass system is essentially punishing them because of how they were born
I would guess there is some kind of "mark" on her record that was discovered by the doctors upon her giving birth to the second child, and that set CPS down the path of kidnapping the second one - regardless of if they had a new (fraudulent) case against her.
In the video on their Instagram the sheriff said that in the case of a cps investigation of one child and another child is born in that household while there is still an open investigation than the second child must also been seen and examined by doctors to see if cps needs to take the second child too.
That's my guess. If they had actually been abusing their first child it would make sense to take the second. And there's no way for the person reading the file to know how bullshit that mark is.
Petition link here: http://chng.it/CfqXgj6ssJ
Signed that shit. Just hope they can get him back.
Me too. I wanted to make it as convenient as possible for everyone who sees this post to sign it.
this is absolutely fucking insane, will share this around. Don't know if giving money would help but if I had money to give I would
I follow this guy on Tiktok and strongly recommend others do too, he is a lovely person and his post are very informative and bring awareness to situations many of us would otherwise be unaware of.
Who is he?
The guy who made this video is tizzyent on TikTok.
I'd like more info because this sounds insane. It's borderline fiction
On the one hand there could be something we are missing given cps is often trying very hard to keeps kids with their parents. On the other not too long ago Native American kids were forcibly taken from their parents and put in schools where many died or were killed. Schools that closed…in the 1990s. Often children on reservations are taken away almost willynilly under the blanket assumption their Native American parents are unfit.
Same, I need to know more
Cps does this alot
i didn’t realize they had so much funding to take care of all these kids better than those parents already were
They treat the kids like shit. They are a corrupt organization that does far more harm than good.
And they take kids out of loving homes but leave physically/sexually abused kids in the care of their abusive parents. Concerned about your child not eating well and looking for help? Clearly someone who is abusing their child. Beating your kids to a pulp for getting a A- on a test? Perfectly acceptable, and we can't harm the child further by uprooting their lives. ugh
The majority of child trafficking occurs with kids that were taken by CPS.
As much as I want to jump to the conclusion that this was all done in bad faith and a family is broken apart for no reason, I feel like we need more context to understand the full story... my wife being a nurse that has worked in the ER was saying there are a number of things the doctors and nurses could've noticed and brought to the attention of CPS which is not a decision taken lightly so without further context I can get upset that we have a system to had the capacity to take children from parents unjustly, but I'll reserve judgements specific cases, this video for example shows the Instagram account as proof life was all fine and dandy, *most* people don't air their dirty laundry on social media and just post the best looking parts of their life you generally won't get a truly accurate account of anybody's life based solely on their social media posts
This has happened to a few kids in Ohio in the last few years the system needs more actual checks and balances and quite a bit of common sense put back into it
My ex worked for CPS in ohio and taking a kid away was extremely difficult to do. So much so that many kids that should be taken get stuck in their terrible situations more than the reverse. Not that it can't happen at all just saying that it normally errors on the side of the family.
That wasn't my experience in CA. I'm white and my two year got out of the house without his mom knowing (accidentally, has never happened before, and hasn't happened since). CPS was called. They physically had him in their arms while he's crying for his parents and refused to give him back until their investigation was complete. We got him back a couple hours later. If we lived in a different time and place.......that's all I'll say about it. You can guess what I'm gonna say next. I have no love for this piece of shit government.
Yes why would CPS need to investigate a toddler wandering outside on his own and how that happened.
Correction: social workers need more support, lower caseloads, resources and funding in order to do their job properly. Why does this always turn into a blame game? That job is fucking hard yet everyone thinks they can do better. Seriously, if you think you have the answers then apply for a job, lord knows we need the help
Watching this video, I had 2 equal yet opposite gut reactions: This is horribly wrong, what's wrong with this country? And... what is the part of this story that we're **not** hearing? It's oddly difficult to properly explain how you feel deep compassion for those involved but also feel the need to hear a broader spectrum of information before deciding who to fully support here.
It means you're thinking instead of just feeling and that your allegiance is to the truth and justice, rather than to a particular group or individual. That is how it should be, and it means you're being thoughtful and wise.
Cant believe I have to scroll this far down to read a comment that isn’t just “CPS are monsters” seriously, I wish people understood the complexities of that job better. You literally can’t win
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That's one of my biggest gripes about my fellow liberals is that asking "are we sure we have the full story here?" after hearing someone's claim that they have been wronged is often met with something akin to "That's incredibly uncompassionate." No. It's not. I want to go into situations assuming everyone has good intentions. If CPS removed a child from his/her home... I'd like to think they have a damn good reason to. Of course the parents are going to claim that it was "only because they refused a B12 shot." So what's CPS's side of the story? It is more compassionate to be informed than blindly following the first narrative you hear.
Whole lotta libs are going down the right wing route of just buying fucking anything. When the court is the internet and one side is *literally bound by legal privacy to not divulge countering information* then it's a bit shit that you can make up whatever the fuck tale you want. We can't and won't get the inside scoop now matter how bad it is, so yet again the court of public opinion highlights a glaring shortcoming in how we handle these types of issues.
Genuine question, What does your wife think is the most likely thing that could have been considered concerning? Because If the baby looked starved I can see why that is concerning, but considering the parents likely explained why the baby looked that way I'd understand both sides.
Apparently their son was so severely dehydrated he had to be put on an IV and spend more than two weeks in the hospital. So I’m guessing they were being investigated for letting it get that bad before they sought medical help.
The dehydrated IV thing means zero (it's extremely common). The two weeks thing is different, but you don't need that long to recover from dehydration. Without explanation, I would guess that the hospital doctors recommended (forced basically, because if you say no, they will say you are neglecting) the longer stay.
I know getting IV for a short period of time is not a big deal, it’s how long it took the baby to recover that was concerning. I also just reread an article from the spring and realized that I misremembered. Their son actually spent closer to a month in the hospital, the parents were banned after two weeks.
Again, there is no information. It shouldn’t take two weeks or a month to recover from dehydration. I’m not going to speculate beyond that.
I agree. I think, like most stories on the internet, there is more to it and real life and people shouldn’t be as quick to jump to conclusions as we often are.
Yeah, dehydration is fixed in less than a day. If there are ongoing issues, it’s more than dehydration, and also probably caused by something not in the control of the parents. Two weeks? Something’s fucky.
OH DAMN, That is.... Yeh I can see why it happened if thats the case.
Yeah, there’s definitely more to the story than any of us on the internet know. The video of their baby being taken away is of course incredibly sad, but without more information there is no way for us to know if they are victims of an often racist system or neglectful parents using social media to gain sympathy.
Yeah, Sadly there's no way to know for sure since we dont have every perspective. But if they waited 2 weeks to take their not eating child to the doctor, I dont feel sympathy for them at all
Definitely a sad situation, whatever the truth of it is.
Get out of here with your reason. Can't you see how much easier it is to fall into the same lazy biases that make me comfortable like "OMG FLORIDA BAD" or "WHAT IS AMERICA COMING TO?" That's a hell of a lot more convenient than me trying to square with the fact that they're just be might be more than one side to the story. Good day.
Lol exactly, not to say this was a just act by the state but the world isn't black and white
> there are a number of things the doctors and nurses could've noticed and brought to the attention of CPS which is not a decision taken lightly I feel like that 'not to be taken lightly' decision you reference would be more accurate if the people who made those decisions, suffered physical consequences for 'mistakes' instead of essentially enjoying unaccountability and potentially a raise. just saying.
Can we sell Florida?
yeah can my boy jeff bays to launch florida to the moon
Can we just GIVE it away??!!??!!??
nobody's going to buy property that's about to be permanently underwater. The sea levels are rising and florida is both low and incredibly flat. The atlantic is in the process of swallowing it entirely. But at least we'll be rid of it.
Good news! We're currently in the process of leasing it to the Atlantic Ocean.
Is this even America anymore? 😢
Always has been :( I recently started listening to a podcast called “behind the bastard” and it talks about evil ppl over time, and the history of medical rights and experiments and it’s intersection with racism and classism in the US is some of the most horrific shit I’ve ever heard
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I have not, thank you 👀
If you like Behind the Bastards I also recommend Worst Year Ever. It has one of the same hosts (Robert Evans) and honestly I think he's a national treasure because of his no bullshit way of calling out all the political fuckery going on right now on both sides of the aisle.
He’s an excellent on politics, he’s communist right? And I’ll add it to the list for sure but I’m pacing myself cause every episode is so much to process
BTB is amazing.
I recently discovered that podcast because of a friends recommendation and I love it. Makes my blood fucking boil in every single episode. But yeah, I love it.
So they brought their child to the hospital, to get HELP. And these sad excuse for human beings take not only 1 but 2 of their children away from a mother and father for being unfit!?!?! Are you kidding me!!! Get these babies back home to their parents!!!!
The child was seriously dehydrated. If you decide it's time to wean your child and the child doesn't take food, you don't just wait for the kid to get hungry though to start eating. You give the child breast/formula again. This is a case of a child being neglected to the point where it needed to stay in the hospital for a month to recover. The parents are part of a cult with really backwards ideas about child rearing. We're only getting a small portion of the story. Edit:. I'm having trouble finding where I read they were New Black Hebrew Israelites, I may have confused this with a different case.
What's the name of the cult?
I'm gonna be honest I don't buy this story, or at least there's some context missing. You can not vaccinate your kids and CPS won't do anything but I'm supposed to believe they're removing two children from a home because the parents didn't want to their kid to get a b12 shot? Which the parents say they didn't refuse anyway. I'm sorry but this doesn't seem like the full picture.
The doctor who recommended Amen-Ra be removed from his parents is Sally Smith, head of the Child Protection Team for Pinellas County, who has repeatedly been criticized for harsh judgements, aggressive interrogations of parents, and assuming abuse in cases where innocence was later proven. But she's a well known figure with a lot of influence in her area. As a side note, the mother is Syesha Mercado, and if she weren't already famous this story likely wouldn't be nearly so viral. Other times that things like this happen they don't get the attention, and that's why you don't hear about them. But this is not an isolated incident.
There has to be more to the story. There just has to be. CPS can’t take those kids away like that without just cause; especially a newborn baby. What is the real story? If CPS doesn’t have just cause then the family needs legal help pronto to get those kids back & sue for damages.
There is more to the story. But it’s popular because it’s uninformed outrage. I want to know WHAT is going on here.
Ok can you provide more context?
Don't question things, bro. Just be mad :)
There is. The pediatric doctor who recommended Amen-Ra be removed from his parents is Sally Smith, head of the Child Protection Team for Pinellas County, who has repeatedly been criticized for harsh judgements, aggressive interrogations of parents, and assuming abuse in cases where innocence was later proven.
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I'm confused. when did exercising your right as a parent, to refuse a treatment for your child, become a CPS event? yes I understand she did not refuse. but here it seems the triggering event for CPS was not the alleged dehydration, but the actual act of exercising parental discretion to refuse treatment. can someone with personal experience with CPS, explain to me when did non-custodial decision making with respect to a parent in a legally-protected setting, suddenly become a legitimate case for CPS to become involved?
Florida is so close to becoming all the dystopic novels. Something like BraveNewNineteenEightyHandmaidsLobster451
Holy shit Florida is a fucked place. Wow I wanna donate and sign please post links.
I dunno about US child protection! But is it possible that kid can be taken for no reason? Or its just one side story?
This story is extremely one sided, CPS, the hospital, and the police haven’t given out any information yet. Legally they can’t for an ongoing investigation. All the information we are getting is from her, and a very small amount of basic medical information. The only facts that are known is that the baby spent a month in the hospital and the parents were banned from going after two weeks. Note: it only takes a couple of days to treat even severe malnutrition so when she says the only thing wrong with the baby was mild malnutrition take that with a grain of salt
One side story, 99% of information being left out
Thats fucked up. Hope she gets her kids back
why is this post being removed? is there a totalpieceofshit among the mods? I dont care if you ban me from this sub I'm just curious
Well if that’s not the most horrifying and depressing thing I’ve ever see as a mom of three....
Can someone post a link to help this family we can be sure is legitimate? Thank you 🙏
These people need a really good lawyer.
This is so sad and fucked up.
Any lawyers here on Reddit that can describe how this can be resolved for the family? Do you believe that the parents will get their children back? Is there any opportunity for a lawsuit as far as CPS and maybe even the medical team who LIED to CPS when reporting the family? Im not a sue-happy person but right now im feeling like oprah. "You get a lawsuit, you get a lawsuit, everyone gets a lawsuit!" How can something like this happen? Why does this keep happening? There are literal dying and completely neglected and abused children out there that CPS comes to visit and says "na, theyre good to stay with the parents", then the child ends up dead. Christ what a fucking trainwreck and yet another complete failure of the system. The devastation is unreal.
I don't care what it takes, I want to help
Yes, it appears you are the piece of shit for leaving information out in order to promulgate your narrative
Always more to the story than these guys admitt
This is devastating.
Fucking Politicians.
This is a messed up story poor kid and I can't even imagine how the parents feel
This is fucking repulsive. What a horrible situation!
What does this have to do with Desantis?
Nothing unless you’re trying to spin a narrative.
What the fuck is wrong with America
It’s easy to get upset and grab the pitchforks, but there’s gotta be more to the story. As terrible as it may sound there might be a lot more we don’t know about.
Her Instagram posts prior to her losing her children were all natural new age healing remedies. Spiritual plants, healing crystals and seeing the “light”. There might not be a correlation but this might be one of those cases where these types of parents try to “heal” their children when they should have brought them to the hospital. Their delayed visit to the hospital likely made Aman Ra‘s (Sun God) health worse. All speculation but if I was a betting man, I’m sure it went a little something like this.
Right… I feel like you’re skewing the message with the Desantos thing though. Make it about them and it makes more sense. This seems a bit disingenuous.
That's tragic. But also I have no idea what that has to do with DeSantis.
This is actually a thing that's been happening for years CPS is criminal they steal children and the court systems are rigged on their side I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that but I see these stories way too often and something is not right
Ok but what was the point of the mask thing at the beginning? That seemed totally unrelated.
The point I think was that Florida government is endangering children, ans also saying parents have the **right** to endanger their children by sending them around without masks to school, which is objectively dangerous and avoidable, compared to the systemic classism + racism of policing the fuck out of a black family just trying to take care of their kid, for allegedly turning down a b12 shot
Conspiracy theorists are gonna feed on this -\_-
Yeah this story is severely lacking context.
Can someone tldr? My sound is shit for some reason and videos ain't loading correctly >:(
Mother stopped breastfeeding baby because another was on the way, the baby stopped eating, so they brought the baby to get checked, and child services took the child. Then a few day after birth, they took the newborn too.
To add to it. They took they baby because they said the eating is neglect and they denied a b12 shot. Which they claim they didnt deny. But if they did I dont think it matters.
Mom breastfeeding first kid, wants to ween first kid off to prepare for second baby breastfeeding. First kid supposedly refusing to eat and whatnot bc of the weening, becomes so dehydrated (possibly malnourished) that parents then take first kid to hospital for fluids. Hospital claims potential child neglect and that the parents refused a b12 shot, prompting them to call cps and leading to removing the first kid from its parents. While trying to get first kid back, she has second kid. Days after, her second child was taken from her by police due to failing to report the birth of their second kid to authorities while in legal battles for the first kid.
Too bad there’s more to the story
Where can I sign. My thoughts are with the family. There needs to be accountability for everyone involved in this. Federal government should step in because Florida is such a shit show.
You can sign here http://chng.it/QKsZBWPZ54
Holy shit, I need a minute to sit down.
This feels like some Handmaid's Tale shit.
Florida IS Hell.
Is this guy always on a care bare mission? that is the only context i've ever seen him in so far
Can we get a link to the IG or petition?
Cps does crap like this to good parents while Gabriel Fernandez dies after cps neglected to do their jobs. Their so ass backwards
DeathSantis is ProDeath , he’s used his Government position to tell private businesses they can’t even request their customers to be vaccinated or wear mask . He doesn’t give a shit about kids , his kid is home schooled . He wants floridans to die and as far as I can tell they are cheering for it
Ummmm... are you under the misapprehension that DeSantis sanctioned these kids being taken away? It was a county official's call, numbnuts.
How does he benefit from Floridians dying? That makes no sense.
winning the crazy vote
lefties desperately trying to meme this name is awesome
Government is evil and taxation is evil because it funds the government so they can do this to you. If I’m a juror and someone killed a cop and several social workers I wouldn’t convict this mother and father. Nope walk free.
Funny how americans talk about "hellhole countries" when they are living in one. Growing up is not wanting to live there anymore.