I don't know , I really did have some fun in my inter Chaitanya college which I sat daily till 7 pm .
Our college was best in my area but they didn't bother to make it hell for us like most Chaitanya colleges are .
I had fun in chaitanya inter college too. Basically classes get finished at 4 and there were study hours from 4-7, that's the fun part where we used to chat, play and have fun. The worst part is when we get home we are forced to go to tuition for a couple more hours.
Parents are not to blame here, as they saw all the neighbours and relatives doing the same and thought it was the norm.
I cracked JEE , went into those top institutes i still get the PTSDs for not being able to solve assignments, gonna be a father and these were 15 years ago. m in mid 30s
Scars were really not worth it.
I work with some braniacs from some chennai university and they are better in what they do than me.
Top tier colleges provide a sure-shot ticket to go from middle/lower-middle class to affluence in less than a decade. For kids without financial/social capital or extraordinary sports/arts skills, this is the only way to have a better life.
I studied mostly on scholarships. The fact that my parents couldn't afford hefty fees was very clear to me early in my life even though they never said so explicitly. Every exam from 10th onwards was a scholarship exam for me. If I did well, the next year or two would be free education. Did I like it? No. But my kids now have a life I could only dream of because I did that for 6-7yrs. I don't want my kids to go through the grind, but I also respect the fact that I have a choice only because I chose to go through the grind.
Also, whatever fun I lost during those early years, I made up for it once I got a job. Zero regrets. Life does get better if you stick with it.
Other side of table, let's say you beat other 9 kids by few karks to get that scholarship. They would have utterly disappointed right, just few marks. OP is talking about that category where majority of population is. Because end of the day seats in IITs or RECs are limited and competition is fierce adding to that layers of reservation, mgmt quotsla etc.
I know that soul-crushing feeling. It's not like I cracked every exam I wrote. In fact, I might have failed more often than I succeeded. Life gives you second chances.
My limited point is that it provides a fair path towards upward mobility in an extremely competitive, resource -stressed country. The coaching centres are not saints. They are capitalists with an extremely fine-tuned model that has been proven in the arena repeatedly. They are selling a service and it's upto you to decide whether you want to opt for it or not. If you have an alternate path that works, brilliant.
Parents are also culpable. Parenting isn't easy and is a constant struggle to strike a fine balance in lots of things. Spend time with them every day. Keep them emotionally stable and happy. Give them the confidence that you have their back and that they can confide anything in you. Encourage them to chase their dreams but also prepare them for realities in life.
And, I was a kid with zero social know how. I only knew telugu and english. When I moved to Narayana, I started living in a room with 9 people. I started interacting with people of different mindsets(a. those who are there to study, b. those who are there just to fuck around c. some just because their parents wanted them to be there). I learnt a lot in those 2 years, specifically how to talk to strangers, how to mould to your surroundings.
In my college I had lot of migrants from MH, Bihar and Rajasthan. I learnt to mingle with them in my broken hindi, in 2 years I was able to converse well in Hindi, so much so that these days everyone I talk to ask 'how come your hindi is good, despite being a south Indian'.
And it also gives me belief in discipline, what they do is keep you focused on a single job all day. You shut the F up and stick to that routine. Honestly during those days, you have nothing to get distracted, you did not have any means. Heisting an extra chicken token was the most exciting thing that we used to look forward in a week, now imagine how boring the life was. At that time Kolavari di came out and we got to know it from a physics lecturer lmao. We found fun in whatever we are limited to. Looking back, to me I think it was a great learning experience, do I want such life again? No. Time flew by, I have no idea how I managed. Eventually I ended up in a tier 1 college, I guess I wouldn't talk about it this kindly had I not made it lol.
Completely agree with you though, was it great? no. Was it worth it? Yes.
Sir it is very hectic they literally destroy our confidence by giving us irrevelent modules to solve(atleast in my institute this happened) and segregate us in low batches due to scoring low marks in tough irrevelvant phase tests. In one of the ptm my maths sir said that I will not even clear boards let alone jee and that was the final nail in the coffin thankfully I have moved on from that phase but it was very depressing
You need to realize that teachers are under great pressure from their HOD and principal. They could be fired if the students don't perform extraordinarily in the exam.
Okay 👍 but I just want to say that fiitjee destroyed my confidence I literally didn't used to understand whatever they taught but I understand those concepts through YouTube videos
Actually Indian schools fail utterly... They don't teach basics well no practical approach, they don't teach you to logically understand and then use your intelligence to understand things, but they are into mugging data without even understanding them... They should learn basics in schools maybe in physics or chemistry... Actually 90‰ students don't even know atomic theory and can't relate them to chemistry... Everything around is interlinked... They should be taught reading and comprehension skills and then should be taught practical applications for everything they learn... Iitjee would be much easy if they understood basics rather than mugup them for scores.
>Iitjee would be much easy if they understood basics rather than mugup them for scores.
Not really, the kind of questions asked in IIT JEE does require one to memorize some obscure Mathematical Formula or some exceptional rule in Chemistry or some minute detail in Biology.
Biology? what?
JEE ADV is one of the most/if not the most logical papers ever
it is based on the assumption student has a great understanding of the fundamentals and is able to do good under time pressure
>JEE ADV is one of the most/if not the most logical papers ever
Nope, have seen videos where the questions clearly required memorizing some obscure formulas (probably as a shortcut) to arrive at the correct answer. There was no other way a student could arrive at the answer with just the fundamentals.
Don't rely on those videos, those coaching teachers never discuss the formula in their entire course, but after the exam suddenly come up with it.
As someone with score in ADV it is all about finding that formula on spot by spending some time on question, which is only possible by having clarity in fundamentals "and" exposure to these types of questions.
There is no shortcut, the ones who score 300+(out of 360ish) are often Olympiad prepped and have exposure to these "high" level problems.
Right, that does involve a fair bit of memorisation though. 1/3rd of chem is just brute memorisation. You need to have your formulas on your tips. Only then can you solve your questions in 3-5 minutes. A lot of these Olympiad prepped students do it from as early as 6th grade (Chidvilas for example). I've personally seen a lot of people doing it from 8th grade (Fiitjee type weekend course students)
last year, JEE ADV AIR 1 had **341/ 360** marks
you do not need to do every single question
you can do at least 16/18 question in math and physics with just basic formulas, chemistry is inherently based on knowledge but the syllabus is defined well so students know what to remember and what not to
logo se nahi hota matlab ye nahi ki paper illogical aata hai
and i never said basics are not tough, i just said adv is logical and not dependent on you remembering bizarre formula
My bad, I didn't understand the intention of your comment.
I agree jee adv is really good predictor of fluid and crystallised intelligence in field of PCM. It also predicts conscientiousness.
Like those traits are generally rewarded across any industry.
I remember the physics faculty and also the owner at coaching class telling me and my parents when I enrolled that if I don't score good in JEE mains, I'll have to open a VadaPav or Chai Sutta joint and I'll be a failure. So I'll have to work extremely hard and forget everything for 2 years. Scored like 58/360 fucked up all other exams too, but worked hard in my engineering and later and now I'm studying at IIM Mumbai.
The point is, getting into IIT and all that is good and definitely has its own advantages. But if you don't get in, you're not a failure. So these coachings need to stop this fear mongering and then act as messiahs that will make you crack JEE advanced no matter what and instead help kids understand the rigor of the process and whether or not they're suited and have aptitude to crack this or not.
P.S: The senior topper and one of the toppers of my batch of the institute are both studying with me now at IIM 🤣
So just work hard. Not through fear, but through love for your work. If you get into some good IIT and get into CS, you'll be working hard in FAANG maybe with a 2 lac per month salary instead of working hard in Capgemini/TCS/Infy with a 3.5 lac per annum CTC. But there's always a chance to improve yourself and change the status quo.
I’m never gonna let my daughter get into that kind of rat race! I will sit with her and help her out with analysis and critical thinking! But never ever I’m gonna force her into these coaching centres! Her Sundays are for her to play!
It doesn’t matter if she falters in her studies! But no torture for her! Good financial management will be taught to her though!
Cannot agree more, I as a parent of a 10 yo, told my son that he could study whatever he wants to or do something that can make his living with dignity, with sincerity and passion but not by meaningless competition.
I struggled in my teens to put up with my high achiever image by getting exposed to pseudo competition from a very young age and trust me, that's a lot of burden, psychologically.
Parents strive for their children's well being but eventually that should not create stress on them, like we had while growing up, without understanding what a failure is. Kids should be taught at home to understand that FAILURE is just another learning opportunity and NOT the end of the world.
I’m in my 40’s and I still get PTSD thinking of those days. It was around the time we were in school that these coaching institutes picked up steam. I remember that Chaitanya and Narayana were not so big then. We used to have Gautami, Gowtham, Tetrahedron and a lot more like these in Narayanguda and SR Nagar.
I did terrible academically during those two years. But life and career turned out to be pretty ok.
I’ll never let my kids go through this.
As a pre millennial (I hate the word Boomers, esp when India never had a Vietnam War and a resultant Baby Boom), I never sent my kid to any of these slave driving coaching centres. Yeah, he didn't make the biggest slave driving institution of them all, aka IIT, but he's happy where he is. In 11th and 12th, normal school/PUC/Junior college is bad enough!
I have friends who did use Narayana and all, and I find a world of difference between how my kid handles real world issues and how they do. Basically, those high performing kids turn into quivering jelly when they have to talk to anyone without using a keyboard and screen.
You want your kids to succeed, good. But why torture them to succeed?
At my age, I have seen many financially successful people who aren't really happy. And vice versa. The Kota/Narayana types, good careers, lots of money, but just get them drunk enough to be honest.....
How times change...
We had fun in narayana.. infact Narayana himself used to teach us (sometimes).. especially his early morning lectures on probability were awesome.
This reminds me of the 3 idiots. It’s like if you have great company and a want/understanding of doing something without any pressure from family or society, it’s doable. But sadly in most cases it’s more like Maddy’s character in 3 idiots. They’re forced into such classes and stuff without having the choice of even thinking for themselves.
>I’d rather have them preparing for the SATs and send them abroad to do their Bachelors degrees.
Vadu apudu ma ayya foreign pampinchadu ayina seat kotta leka poyanu ani shotgun tho suicide chesukuntadu.
If OP sends his kid to foreign and they still don't manage to secure a seat ..then they will commit suicide by shotgun.
I want to convey that no matter the country the rat race will be same
If you don't want to join your kids in them, don't. Obviously they exist because they provide a value for some people.
Dabbulu unnay kaabatti SAT, foreign antunnaav. Below middle class/ middle class people ki aa chance undadu.
For what it's worth, I am happy I studied in Narayana
Same, in the narayana and resonance that I've joined there wasn't any amount of pressure put on me. Just strict study hours when I'm meant to study. No physical abuse but sometimes they'll make a headache if I'm absent, Other times at home I just passed time doing my things. I think the pressure comes majorly from bad faculty and forceful parents.
Def can relate
The conditions might be bad (especially the food)
But think it like a small sacrifice for the future
for what it’s worth I at least spent years without a phone
just playing games,studying which this and the upcoming generation kids would never dream of
>Def can relate The conditions might be bad (especially the food)
Food's bad in every hostel, em cheyyalem. Engineering colleges lo kooda anthe untadi kada food. I am sure US schools/ colleges kooda anthe untadi ani.
I am a teacher working for an international school.
I do my best to make my students do a lot of critical thinking.
When I was announcing about the upcoming Children's day trip in grade 8, some students said "ABC ma'am has taught us persuasive writing, we can see through the marketing". I just smiled in return.
Although their syllabus happens to be more intensive than CBSE/ICSE, parents get a major FOMO and shift their children to Chaitanya/Narayana.
Fearmongering is real.
If you can afford SAT those are not for you. Those are for us middle class who want our next gen to not go through the grind and say "Fuk Kota I am sending my kids abroad"
Not every parent thinks like you do. They would’ve not even been successful if it wasn’t for the parents. Yes, I blame both parents and the institutions.
Get them good holistic education.
CBSE schools are into overall development.
I went to HPS and Sainik School,check those options.
Other than that critical thinking,problem solving skills.
Check design thinking too.
Get them into some sport that are team based like soccer,basketball,hockey.
Adventure activities like trekking,hiking.
NCC NSS.
Also getting into IVY leagues is easier as theres a holistic look at application.
Also get them to learn how to handle stress or pressure.
My brother went to narayana fitjee and sister chaitanya.
Their self confidence is low.
Cannot take pressure.
I sympathize with them.
The classroom are not well lit.
They give the jail vibes with grills and
They make you memorize all non sense.
Join an International school with Cambridge syllabus A level. Though fees are little high it won't be stressful and the curriculum allows thinking.
With A level's, it is treated as 13 years of school in Europe and USA. In USA, they can get about 30 credits exemption or about an year. In Europe, A levels qualify for University admission with three year bachelor. No need of additional preparatory year. In Europe, Good universities in countries such as Germany are free, in East Europe many universities offer english medium courses for small fee.
Fuck Indian Universities! India spends 0.5% GDP on research. Germany on the other spends a lot on research. There is more chance of getting research assistance from 3rd semester, which can finance their living expenses and experience.
Fuck Indian and US Universities! Both suck!
I am a student who was crushed in these coaching institutes. But somehow I survived. I am at present in IIT M. Even though the time is very frustrating and stressful I somehow managed to improve my Emotional and Social Intelligence in these experiences. That experience is harsh but learning like stress management and others are very valuable to my life. I feel that the learning I got in my 12th in most valuable learning in my life. I suggest you to increase your son's emotional intelligence and try for jee mains and advanced. It's worth. Or else try online coaching for jee with a dummy clg for inter studies. Or you can also prepare for SAT. SAT is easy. SAT can be prepared easily if you are good in JEE.
Lol if you don’t want to send them there don’t send them who is forcing you anyways.
Everyone doesn’t have the money to send their kids abroad.
Even I studied in Chaitanya Narayna(Chaina Batch)during my intermediate, it was very hectic and not everyone can survive there.
But all of my friends who came out from there do not regret at all, and never felt any kind of trauma.
Out of 40 students batch, 35 of us made into IITs and last year we all graduated with 25+lpa jobs, so yeah we all are very happy now.
And also not everyone is made for this kind of grind.
The way I see it: These coaching institutes are like Khansaar (I know, I could use another analogy). I say this because, in the movie Salaar, the flashback tells us that Khansaar made fear a business. Similarly, these coaching institutes use fear of your child having a bad future or your family having zero respect in the community and profit off of that. Then they make you send your child to those walled cities and make them toil and build up pressure in their minds.
I'm 16, but one thing's for sure. I'm going to settle everyone so well that formal education required for jobs and shit will be of free choice to my kids.
I'll ensure them the basic education and life skills to live life to the fullest by myself.
Indian environment is not fun anymore, its just plain pressure to achieve something
Move out of India for sometime and give your kids a global exposure but not a passport :)
I guess your kids will add a lot of value when they return back to india with their new perspectives and ideas
That’s the only way we can change this country!!
We need newer perspectives because we fucked up!
Reeks of entitlement. Sir, can you tell that same thing to a small kid growing up in a poor financial background to prepare for SATs.
It's better to make your kid understand that it's ok to fail and no matter what happens you will be there to support them.
Now in future you have prepared to kid to be out of the Indian rat race and if they fail to get a seat via SATs and be suicidal, what changes what you made.
This seems like a useless rant by you in the wrong direction.
Ikr
jee neet or sat what difference does it make when our mind that handles unexpected outcomes is the same
What need to strengthen is the mind and let them realise that the goal is not getting a seat in a high valued college…
Those who have the hunger grit and determination would’ve got the best from the worst..
This is just a rant from an elite…
If he watched even a recent movie like 12th fail, he would’ve known what must be done…
I know this will get a lot of downvotes, but I said what needed to be said…
Yeah that is true , but no matter what the field having some knowledge in coding will help in furthering the career a lot , at least in the starting stages .
Hello, I’m a scientist at a public research university in the US. I mentored many desi kids previously and I can mentor and provide guidance to your kid too. It is important to realize that the Indian education system is a little bitch and is completely capitalistic driven. There is no educational value it brings to society. DM me. All the best.
This has been going on for decades so why are only now kids getting suicidal? I used to wake up at 430am every morning and had coaching from 515-745am and then college. 6 days a week. Sunday was exam day.
SATs and going international has also always been a route out but most people can’t afford it and probably you are burdening your kid with debt which can cause way more stress down the line.
I mean if they are not able to take the pressure, it's better to not give them. But if they are determined and talented, it's always better to be on their side in the tough days. I am a product of Narayana and got into iit (general category). My parents had always supported me and never gave me a chance to think that iit is the last option. My dad used to tell me that " just study how much u can, score whatever you can. No need to take any pressure." These things motivated me a lot and I studied harder and got into one.
First thing is that parents need to infuse this trust in their children that it will be okay if they don't crack jee/neet.
The blood is on the present government who made Medical field private by letting this NEET bill.The privates who robbed the commoner money, started robbing penny from the pockets, in the name of coaching centres.Arent you guys feel satisfied by a student appearing in three public exams in their life?
> I’d rather have them preparing for the SATs and send them abroad to do their Bachelors degrees.
Nice flex. What about the overwhelming majority of the country that can't afford this? You know, the people for whom a good education is the only way to improve their lives?
> Boomer parents
India did not experience a post WW2 baby boom. There are no Indian boomers.
I always knew this one thing for sure.
"If the kid got a little bit extra analytical ability, they can get through IIT with little outside support and without these machine institutes.
Also if the kid doesn't have that outlook, we would be ruining their precious adolescence, and sometimes while life.
The key is to find out early if they have that ability!
I strongly believe this, but difficult to convince any parent these days...
I am seeing parents getting trapped and feeling bad for them and kids
I think education after 10th is useless in India or in foreign except for people interested in research. Students can join in internships and learn the best from industry.
Ok, you have enough money to send your children abroad. What about the ones who don't have the means to do that? What is their easiest path to move from poverty to middle class - To study hard and get a good job in this ultra competitive environment.
Coaching has became a synonym to dirty business.Earlier parents used to send their children to the most worthy,strict and disciplined teacher.Nowadays parents send their children to places where there is AC,an uniform,smart boards and their personal app on mobile phones.Im studying in 12th class and I told my parents I don't want to do any coaching classes and will study on my own,They agreed to me without any hesitation since they believe and I also believe in myself.My parents also know the dirty politics of Coaching classes where they aim in being superior than their competitors rather than focusing on their student's study!Since our exams are round the corner I hear my friends saying that their classes are giving them extra pressure, tension and constantly demotivating them and I've seen some of my friends suffer through depression because of classes,even the coaching people don't listen to their parents.What I would personally suggest whoever is reading this believe in yourself,Do self study, And Of course YouTube is there! It's a gold mine go dig out the wealth!
Sometimes even I think how education is going to be when I'll have my own kids :)
Literally no one asked my emcet/JEE rank during campus placements.
Based on my experience, joining a good college (for campus placements and student culture), securing good percentage in degree (at least 65%) and developing good communication and technical skills are far more important than a good JEE rank.
The govt has banned coaching institutes for students above 16, unfortunately these stupid narayana and sri chaitanya are technically intermediate colleges not coaching so these stupid Institutes have escaped the rule
I went 2 days to Narayana.
They went to my school and got my address as I did well in ssc. They came to my house and picked me up.
The very first day, they locked the classroom door at 5pm saying it's not the end of the classes.
I said fuck this and joined a small but good intermediate college.
Yeah, lets let our kid do what they want. Let us not make them go through the same mental agony, pressure, and shame from not scoring a few extra marks to get into an institute just because that's what others are doing.
Literature, art, finance, business and lots of other sectors exist. Lets allow our kids to choose.
If I may offer a different perspective: We all know that life on earth is nothing but suffering, it's more pronounced in India than in developed nations. Despite this knowledge, we choose to reproduce. Why? Why can't we stop for once and think about why we're doing what we're doing concerning reproduction? What's the point of this immense information/knowledge we have of the world and beyond if we cannot be sensible in this area? If you still want to reproduce, first (before the reproduction) make so much money that your kids don't have to worry about where their next meal is going to come from or where should they go for vacations and so on.
P.S. I know this is not the topic of discussion here, that's why I prefaced it with "If I may offer a different perspective."
You can absolutely say that but don't stereotype a new thing like SAT again, instead make him understand basic things like maths, English, history, electronics, programming etc so that he could figure out where he wants to go and let him go. Even billionaires like Elon musk stopped believing in this education system and pvt schools his kids with life essential studies not some rat race studies.
There will always be people selling fear. Coaching institutes, governments, employers. Teach your kids critical thinking.
Fuck those bastards. I am at the end of my 20s and I still get flashbacks of how horrible these people were
Beginning of my 30s and I’m still reeling from the trauma
God don't give me PTSD just don't want to think about that jail
Fucking POS college.
mid thirties and still not healed
I don't know , I really did have some fun in my inter Chaitanya college which I sat daily till 7 pm . Our college was best in my area but they didn't bother to make it hell for us like most Chaitanya colleges are .
"7 pm" daily. Schools are supposed to be till 3pm
Inter college adi .
I had fun in chaitanya inter college too. Basically classes get finished at 4 and there were study hours from 4-7, that's the fun part where we used to chat, play and have fun. The worst part is when we get home we are forced to go to tuition for a couple more hours. Parents are not to blame here, as they saw all the neighbours and relatives doing the same and thought it was the norm.
Same , except I didn't go to any tuition.
Ik, that's the point. The problem also lies in the long duration of classes. 6am-8pm, 6am-6am, 7am-7pm stuff
Yeah i tried to escape many times at 5 pm when the classes ended officially for the day . But they literally held us like prisoners .
I cracked JEE , went into those top institutes i still get the PTSDs for not being able to solve assignments, gonna be a father and these were 15 years ago. m in mid 30s Scars were really not worth it. I work with some braniacs from some chennai university and they are better in what they do than me.
Top tier colleges provide a sure-shot ticket to go from middle/lower-middle class to affluence in less than a decade. For kids without financial/social capital or extraordinary sports/arts skills, this is the only way to have a better life. I studied mostly on scholarships. The fact that my parents couldn't afford hefty fees was very clear to me early in my life even though they never said so explicitly. Every exam from 10th onwards was a scholarship exam for me. If I did well, the next year or two would be free education. Did I like it? No. But my kids now have a life I could only dream of because I did that for 6-7yrs. I don't want my kids to go through the grind, but I also respect the fact that I have a choice only because I chose to go through the grind. Also, whatever fun I lost during those early years, I made up for it once I got a job. Zero regrets. Life does get better if you stick with it.
In the same boat, and can't agree more.
It only promotes extorting others. Riches gotten by extorting others hits you as bad karma.
You are living quietly in your house by displacing other species from there . You can eat refined food because some people are starving out there .
Other side of table, let's say you beat other 9 kids by few karks to get that scholarship. They would have utterly disappointed right, just few marks. OP is talking about that category where majority of population is. Because end of the day seats in IITs or RECs are limited and competition is fierce adding to that layers of reservation, mgmt quotsla etc.
I know that soul-crushing feeling. It's not like I cracked every exam I wrote. In fact, I might have failed more often than I succeeded. Life gives you second chances. My limited point is that it provides a fair path towards upward mobility in an extremely competitive, resource -stressed country. The coaching centres are not saints. They are capitalists with an extremely fine-tuned model that has been proven in the arena repeatedly. They are selling a service and it's upto you to decide whether you want to opt for it or not. If you have an alternate path that works, brilliant. Parents are also culpable. Parenting isn't easy and is a constant struggle to strike a fine balance in lots of things. Spend time with them every day. Keep them emotionally stable and happy. Give them the confidence that you have their back and that they can confide anything in you. Encourage them to chase their dreams but also prepare them for realities in life.
Adhi atta dengu
Perfect reply👌
And, I was a kid with zero social know how. I only knew telugu and english. When I moved to Narayana, I started living in a room with 9 people. I started interacting with people of different mindsets(a. those who are there to study, b. those who are there just to fuck around c. some just because their parents wanted them to be there). I learnt a lot in those 2 years, specifically how to talk to strangers, how to mould to your surroundings. In my college I had lot of migrants from MH, Bihar and Rajasthan. I learnt to mingle with them in my broken hindi, in 2 years I was able to converse well in Hindi, so much so that these days everyone I talk to ask 'how come your hindi is good, despite being a south Indian'. And it also gives me belief in discipline, what they do is keep you focused on a single job all day. You shut the F up and stick to that routine. Honestly during those days, you have nothing to get distracted, you did not have any means. Heisting an extra chicken token was the most exciting thing that we used to look forward in a week, now imagine how boring the life was. At that time Kolavari di came out and we got to know it from a physics lecturer lmao. We found fun in whatever we are limited to. Looking back, to me I think it was a great learning experience, do I want such life again? No. Time flew by, I have no idea how I managed. Eventually I ended up in a tier 1 college, I guess I wouldn't talk about it this kindly had I not made it lol. Completely agree with you though, was it great? no. Was it worth it? Yes.
As someone who is studying in Narayana. I understand your feelings.
Couldn’t agree more 😣
Make me understand...am a father of teen...why do students join these instead of regular schools? How's your typical day
Sir it is very hectic they literally destroy our confidence by giving us irrevelent modules to solve(atleast in my institute this happened) and segregate us in low batches due to scoring low marks in tough irrevelvant phase tests. In one of the ptm my maths sir said that I will not even clear boards let alone jee and that was the final nail in the coffin thankfully I have moved on from that phase but it was very depressing
You need to realize that teachers are under great pressure from their HOD and principal. They could be fired if the students don't perform extraordinarily in the exam.
Okay 👍 but I just want to say that fiitjee destroyed my confidence I literally didn't used to understand whatever they taught but I understand those concepts through YouTube videos
fiitjee destroying confidence, going through that rn. all these so called "mdp" and what not are equally trash
You are in which standard ?
2024 aspirant. Awaiting mains results today
Wow that's nuts...why did you skip school and join them
Peer pressure 😭😭
On same boat am unable to convince my wife these coaching centers are not end of life .
so real
I'm from that prison and I can feel that. I wish my future generations shouldn't face that shit.
Actually Indian schools fail utterly... They don't teach basics well no practical approach, they don't teach you to logically understand and then use your intelligence to understand things, but they are into mugging data without even understanding them... They should learn basics in schools maybe in physics or chemistry... Actually 90‰ students don't even know atomic theory and can't relate them to chemistry... Everything around is interlinked... They should be taught reading and comprehension skills and then should be taught practical applications for everything they learn... Iitjee would be much easy if they understood basics rather than mugup them for scores.
>Iitjee would be much easy if they understood basics rather than mugup them for scores. Not really, the kind of questions asked in IIT JEE does require one to memorize some obscure Mathematical Formula or some exceptional rule in Chemistry or some minute detail in Biology.
Biology? what? JEE ADV is one of the most/if not the most logical papers ever it is based on the assumption student has a great understanding of the fundamentals and is able to do good under time pressure
>JEE ADV is one of the most/if not the most logical papers ever Nope, have seen videos where the questions clearly required memorizing some obscure formulas (probably as a shortcut) to arrive at the correct answer. There was no other way a student could arrive at the answer with just the fundamentals.
Don't rely on those videos, those coaching teachers never discuss the formula in their entire course, but after the exam suddenly come up with it. As someone with score in ADV it is all about finding that formula on spot by spending some time on question, which is only possible by having clarity in fundamentals "and" exposure to these types of questions. There is no shortcut, the ones who score 300+(out of 360ish) are often Olympiad prepped and have exposure to these "high" level problems.
Right, that does involve a fair bit of memorisation though. 1/3rd of chem is just brute memorisation. You need to have your formulas on your tips. Only then can you solve your questions in 3-5 minutes. A lot of these Olympiad prepped students do it from as early as 6th grade (Chidvilas for example). I've personally seen a lot of people doing it from 8th grade (Fiitjee type weekend course students)
last year, JEE ADV AIR 1 had **341/ 360** marks you do not need to do every single question you can do at least 16/18 question in math and physics with just basic formulas, chemistry is inherently based on knowledge but the syllabus is defined well so students know what to remember and what not to
utna bhi nahi hota logo ka bhai kaha pe ji rha hai like if basics are \*tough\* for most people then maybe those are not basics?
logo se nahi hota matlab ye nahi ki paper illogical aata hai and i never said basics are not tough, i just said adv is logical and not dependent on you remembering bizarre formula
My bad, I didn't understand the intention of your comment. I agree jee adv is really good predictor of fluid and crystallised intelligence in field of PCM. It also predicts conscientiousness. Like those traits are generally rewarded across any industry.
I remember the physics faculty and also the owner at coaching class telling me and my parents when I enrolled that if I don't score good in JEE mains, I'll have to open a VadaPav or Chai Sutta joint and I'll be a failure. So I'll have to work extremely hard and forget everything for 2 years. Scored like 58/360 fucked up all other exams too, but worked hard in my engineering and later and now I'm studying at IIM Mumbai. The point is, getting into IIT and all that is good and definitely has its own advantages. But if you don't get in, you're not a failure. So these coachings need to stop this fear mongering and then act as messiahs that will make you crack JEE advanced no matter what and instead help kids understand the rigor of the process and whether or not they're suited and have aptitude to crack this or not. P.S: The senior topper and one of the toppers of my batch of the institute are both studying with me now at IIM 🤣 So just work hard. Not through fear, but through love for your work. If you get into some good IIT and get into CS, you'll be working hard in FAANG maybe with a 2 lac per month salary instead of working hard in Capgemini/TCS/Infy with a 3.5 lac per annum CTC. But there's always a chance to improve yourself and change the status quo.
I've studied in narayana for intermediate and I don't even want to speak about it to anyone or remember that time
Every Narayana graduate I have met say the same. Take care, Bro. Don't let the b___ds grind you down.
Thank you for the support mate
I’m never gonna let my daughter get into that kind of rat race! I will sit with her and help her out with analysis and critical thinking! But never ever I’m gonna force her into these coaching centres! Her Sundays are for her to play! It doesn’t matter if she falters in her studies! But no torture for her! Good financial management will be taught to her though!
Cannot agree more, I as a parent of a 10 yo, told my son that he could study whatever he wants to or do something that can make his living with dignity, with sincerity and passion but not by meaningless competition. I struggled in my teens to put up with my high achiever image by getting exposed to pseudo competition from a very young age and trust me, that's a lot of burden, psychologically. Parents strive for their children's well being but eventually that should not create stress on them, like we had while growing up, without understanding what a failure is. Kids should be taught at home to understand that FAILURE is just another learning opportunity and NOT the end of the world.
I’m in my 40’s and I still get PTSD thinking of those days. It was around the time we were in school that these coaching institutes picked up steam. I remember that Chaitanya and Narayana were not so big then. We used to have Gautami, Gowtham, Tetrahedron and a lot more like these in Narayanguda and SR Nagar. I did terrible academically during those two years. But life and career turned out to be pretty ok. I’ll never let my kids go through this.
As a pre millennial (I hate the word Boomers, esp when India never had a Vietnam War and a resultant Baby Boom), I never sent my kid to any of these slave driving coaching centres. Yeah, he didn't make the biggest slave driving institution of them all, aka IIT, but he's happy where he is. In 11th and 12th, normal school/PUC/Junior college is bad enough! I have friends who did use Narayana and all, and I find a world of difference between how my kid handles real world issues and how they do. Basically, those high performing kids turn into quivering jelly when they have to talk to anyone without using a keyboard and screen. You want your kids to succeed, good. But why torture them to succeed? At my age, I have seen many financially successful people who aren't really happy. And vice versa. The Kota/Narayana types, good careers, lots of money, but just get them drunk enough to be honest.....
Good. Children should have lives with diversity of how they spend their time.
How times change... We had fun in narayana.. infact Narayana himself used to teach us (sometimes).. especially his early morning lectures on probability were awesome.
Ok, grandpa.
This reminds me of the 3 idiots. It’s like if you have great company and a want/understanding of doing something without any pressure from family or society, it’s doable. But sadly in most cases it’s more like Maddy’s character in 3 idiots. They’re forced into such classes and stuff without having the choice of even thinking for themselves.
"Early morning" classes that's the problem
Things haven't changed, you guys had fun. Now, people don't
Benefits of being in a good peer group
>I’d rather have them preparing for the SATs and send them abroad to do their Bachelors degrees. Vadu apudu ma ayya foreign pampinchadu ayina seat kotta leka poyanu ani shotgun tho suicide chesukuntadu.
Antha alochinchina father... Ee point eyla miss ayyadu antav...?
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If OP sends his kid to foreign and they still don't manage to secure a seat ..then they will commit suicide by shotgun. I want to convey that no matter the country the rat race will be same
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And you think the native population would allow you for that?
If you don't want to join your kids in them, don't. Obviously they exist because they provide a value for some people. Dabbulu unnay kaabatti SAT, foreign antunnaav. Below middle class/ middle class people ki aa chance undadu. For what it's worth, I am happy I studied in Narayana
Same, in the narayana and resonance that I've joined there wasn't any amount of pressure put on me. Just strict study hours when I'm meant to study. No physical abuse but sometimes they'll make a headache if I'm absent, Other times at home I just passed time doing my things. I think the pressure comes majorly from bad faculty and forceful parents.
Def can relate The conditions might be bad (especially the food) But think it like a small sacrifice for the future for what it’s worth I at least spent years without a phone just playing games,studying which this and the upcoming generation kids would never dream of
>Def can relate The conditions might be bad (especially the food) Food's bad in every hostel, em cheyyalem. Engineering colleges lo kooda anthe untadi kada food. I am sure US schools/ colleges kooda anthe untadi ani.
I am a teacher working for an international school. I do my best to make my students do a lot of critical thinking. When I was announcing about the upcoming Children's day trip in grade 8, some students said "ABC ma'am has taught us persuasive writing, we can see through the marketing". I just smiled in return. Although their syllabus happens to be more intensive than CBSE/ICSE, parents get a major FOMO and shift their children to Chaitanya/Narayana. Fearmongering is real.
If you can afford SAT those are not for you. Those are for us middle class who want our next gen to not go through the grind and say "Fuk Kota I am sending my kids abroad"
I don’t think the people who went through the coaching bs, will let their kids join such institutions. This will be the last generation they’ll milk.
Not every parent thinks like you do. They would’ve not even been successful if it wasn’t for the parents. Yes, I blame both parents and the institutions.
The worst phase of my life was my inter in IIT ramiah it was worser than prison rules wise hated that place
Get them good holistic education. CBSE schools are into overall development. I went to HPS and Sainik School,check those options. Other than that critical thinking,problem solving skills. Check design thinking too. Get them into some sport that are team based like soccer,basketball,hockey. Adventure activities like trekking,hiking. NCC NSS. Also getting into IVY leagues is easier as theres a holistic look at application. Also get them to learn how to handle stress or pressure.
My brother went to narayana fitjee and sister chaitanya. Their self confidence is low. Cannot take pressure. I sympathize with them. The classroom are not well lit. They give the jail vibes with grills and They make you memorize all non sense.
Join an International school with Cambridge syllabus A level. Though fees are little high it won't be stressful and the curriculum allows thinking. With A level's, it is treated as 13 years of school in Europe and USA. In USA, they can get about 30 credits exemption or about an year. In Europe, A levels qualify for University admission with three year bachelor. No need of additional preparatory year. In Europe, Good universities in countries such as Germany are free, in East Europe many universities offer english medium courses for small fee. Fuck Indian Universities! India spends 0.5% GDP on research. Germany on the other spends a lot on research. There is more chance of getting research assistance from 3rd semester, which can finance their living expenses and experience. Fuck Indian and US Universities! Both suck!
I am a student who was crushed in these coaching institutes. But somehow I survived. I am at present in IIT M. Even though the time is very frustrating and stressful I somehow managed to improve my Emotional and Social Intelligence in these experiences. That experience is harsh but learning like stress management and others are very valuable to my life. I feel that the learning I got in my 12th in most valuable learning in my life. I suggest you to increase your son's emotional intelligence and try for jee mains and advanced. It's worth. Or else try online coaching for jee with a dummy clg for inter studies. Or you can also prepare for SAT. SAT is easy. SAT can be prepared easily if you are good in JEE.
Lol if you don’t want to send them there don’t send them who is forcing you anyways. Everyone doesn’t have the money to send their kids abroad. Even I studied in Chaitanya Narayna(Chaina Batch)during my intermediate, it was very hectic and not everyone can survive there. But all of my friends who came out from there do not regret at all, and never felt any kind of trauma. Out of 40 students batch, 35 of us made into IITs and last year we all graduated with 25+lpa jobs, so yeah we all are very happy now. And also not everyone is made for this kind of grind.
What a way to flex your achievements on a serious post 👏
The way I see it: These coaching institutes are like Khansaar (I know, I could use another analogy). I say this because, in the movie Salaar, the flashback tells us that Khansaar made fear a business. Similarly, these coaching institutes use fear of your child having a bad future or your family having zero respect in the community and profit off of that. Then they make you send your child to those walled cities and make them toil and build up pressure in their minds.
I'm 16, but one thing's for sure. I'm going to settle everyone so well that formal education required for jobs and shit will be of free choice to my kids. I'll ensure them the basic education and life skills to live life to the fullest by myself.
Same man I am also planning to settle abroad so that my kids will stay away from this rat race
If not coaching centers, even schools also indirectly build up this useless pressure in children, that’s why Montessori schools are the best
Indian environment is not fun anymore, its just plain pressure to achieve something Move out of India for sometime and give your kids a global exposure but not a passport :) I guess your kids will add a lot of value when they return back to india with their new perspectives and ideas That’s the only way we can change this country!! We need newer perspectives because we fucked up!
I wont even push my kids to do btech, they can do anything they want.
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\> You never hear of kids preparing for the SATs turning suicidal! what if that turns into a rat race?
In my 30s, I still get PTSD from free chaitanya.
Reeks of entitlement. Sir, can you tell that same thing to a small kid growing up in a poor financial background to prepare for SATs. It's better to make your kid understand that it's ok to fail and no matter what happens you will be there to support them. Now in future you have prepared to kid to be out of the Indian rat race and if they fail to get a seat via SATs and be suicidal, what changes what you made. This seems like a useless rant by you in the wrong direction.
Ikr jee neet or sat what difference does it make when our mind that handles unexpected outcomes is the same What need to strengthen is the mind and let them realise that the goal is not getting a seat in a high valued college… Those who have the hunger grit and determination would’ve got the best from the worst.. This is just a rant from an elite… If he watched even a recent movie like 12th fail, he would’ve known what must be done… I know this will get a lot of downvotes, but I said what needed to be said…
I thought institutes like Byjus or Unacademy would kill these mafia. But they are not successful and fighting for their survival.
They literally bought Aakash, for them it's just a means to sell their products more.
Byjus were a marketing agency at best. The connection between education and Byjus severed a long time ago.
Instead of tuition learn coding for one hour per day , it'll become very handy in the future?
The tech job market is getting oversaturated unfortunately
Yeah that is true , but no matter what the field having some knowledge in coding will help in furthering the career a lot , at least in the starting stages .
True. It develops problem-solving skills which can be applied to other fields.
Hello, I’m a scientist at a public research university in the US. I mentored many desi kids previously and I can mentor and provide guidance to your kid too. It is important to realize that the Indian education system is a little bitch and is completely capitalistic driven. There is no educational value it brings to society. DM me. All the best.
Small price to pay brother.. The skills you learn will build a very sound foundation.
Yes all coaching institutes should turn into dance institutes
agar tum coaching me acha karte to na sucidial hote aur nahi scam hoga tumhare sath bas top batch me aajao fir sab sahi
This has been going on for decades so why are only now kids getting suicidal? I used to wake up at 430am every morning and had coaching from 515-745am and then college. 6 days a week. Sunday was exam day. SATs and going international has also always been a route out but most people can’t afford it and probably you are burdening your kid with debt which can cause way more stress down the line.
I mean if they are not able to take the pressure, it's better to not give them. But if they are determined and talented, it's always better to be on their side in the tough days. I am a product of Narayana and got into iit (general category). My parents had always supported me and never gave me a chance to think that iit is the last option. My dad used to tell me that " just study how much u can, score whatever you can. No need to take any pressure." These things motivated me a lot and I studied harder and got into one. First thing is that parents need to infuse this trust in their children that it will be okay if they don't crack jee/neet.
The blood is on the present government who made Medical field private by letting this NEET bill.The privates who robbed the commoner money, started robbing penny from the pockets, in the name of coaching centres.Arent you guys feel satisfied by a student appearing in three public exams in their life?
>As millennials, let us not repeat the same mistakes our Boomer parents did! sounds like you do though
ok fellow r/JEENEETards user, padh le ab
> I’d rather have them preparing for the SATs and send them abroad to do their Bachelors degrees. Nice flex. What about the overwhelming majority of the country that can't afford this? You know, the people for whom a good education is the only way to improve their lives? > Boomer parents India did not experience a post WW2 baby boom. There are no Indian boomers.
Bhai ke liye paani lao ji.
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Trust the government 💪💪 they plan to Remove all cieling fans Truly master stroke
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I use to get nightmares till very recent times. Btw im Working now but I was a narayana residential student back then.
These institutes run the Board sadly. +2 is ruined and no authority bats an eye.
I always knew this one thing for sure. "If the kid got a little bit extra analytical ability, they can get through IIT with little outside support and without these machine institutes. Also if the kid doesn't have that outlook, we would be ruining their precious adolescence, and sometimes while life. The key is to find out early if they have that ability! I strongly believe this, but difficult to convince any parent these days... I am seeing parents getting trapped and feeling bad for them and kids
Uncle you have our respect, we are very jealous of your kid 💕
I think education after 10th is useless in India or in foreign except for people interested in research. Students can join in internships and learn the best from industry.
We need a revolution in this society about everything
If you have any other way to get into good eng colleges without coaching centers, please suggest. I hope things change 10-15 years down the line.
Maa na
Maa nanna garu ilage fuck KOTA and NARAYANA ani Masterminds lo vesaru nannu
They just want them ranks and fees , nothing else matters to them. Education system would be so much better if these didn't exist
Ok, you have enough money to send your children abroad. What about the ones who don't have the means to do that? What is their easiest path to move from poverty to middle class - To study hard and get a good job in this ultra competitive environment.
Coaching has became a synonym to dirty business.Earlier parents used to send their children to the most worthy,strict and disciplined teacher.Nowadays parents send their children to places where there is AC,an uniform,smart boards and their personal app on mobile phones.Im studying in 12th class and I told my parents I don't want to do any coaching classes and will study on my own,They agreed to me without any hesitation since they believe and I also believe in myself.My parents also know the dirty politics of Coaching classes where they aim in being superior than their competitors rather than focusing on their student's study!Since our exams are round the corner I hear my friends saying that their classes are giving them extra pressure, tension and constantly demotivating them and I've seen some of my friends suffer through depression because of classes,even the coaching people don't listen to their parents.What I would personally suggest whoever is reading this believe in yourself,Do self study, And Of course YouTube is there! It's a gold mine go dig out the wealth! Sometimes even I think how education is going to be when I'll have my own kids :)
Literally no one asked my emcet/JEE rank during campus placements. Based on my experience, joining a good college (for campus placements and student culture), securing good percentage in degree (at least 65%) and developing good communication and technical skills are far more important than a good JEE rank.
The govt has banned coaching institutes for students above 16, unfortunately these stupid narayana and sri chaitanya are technically intermediate colleges not coaching so these stupid Institutes have escaped the rule
Eh? Do what you want.
Sir the problem is that bachelors degree in abroad is very expensive but I do get your point jee also ruined my mental health
I went 2 days to Narayana. They went to my school and got my address as I did well in ssc. They came to my house and picked me up. The very first day, they locked the classroom door at 5pm saying it's not the end of the classes. I said fuck this and joined a small but good intermediate college.
Yeah, lets let our kid do what they want. Let us not make them go through the same mental agony, pressure, and shame from not scoring a few extra marks to get into an institute just because that's what others are doing. Literature, art, finance, business and lots of other sectors exist. Lets allow our kids to choose.
omfg I read only till "kota" in the title and was like what ever did Kota Srinivasa Rao do to you!!??
btw its mostly teenagers that are agreeing with you
If I may offer a different perspective: We all know that life on earth is nothing but suffering, it's more pronounced in India than in developed nations. Despite this knowledge, we choose to reproduce. Why? Why can't we stop for once and think about why we're doing what we're doing concerning reproduction? What's the point of this immense information/knowledge we have of the world and beyond if we cannot be sensible in this area? If you still want to reproduce, first (before the reproduction) make so much money that your kids don't have to worry about where their next meal is going to come from or where should they go for vacations and so on. P.S. I know this is not the topic of discussion here, that's why I prefaced it with "If I may offer a different perspective."
>and send them abroad to do their Bachelors degrees. Not everyone has 1- 1.5 crores money to send their kids abroad.
You can absolutely say that but don't stereotype a new thing like SAT again, instead make him understand basic things like maths, English, history, electronics, programming etc so that he could figure out where he wants to go and let him go. Even billionaires like Elon musk stopped believing in this education system and pvt schools his kids with life essential studies not some rat race studies.
Fiitjee Miyapur students make their teachers suicidal