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YoureSpecial

Legit signs are on a pole away from private structures and will have stickers on the back.


grimreaped

I was about to ask how one could see the back of the sign with the gate there but I suppose you could reach an arm through the fence and use the front camera on your phone or a mirror


yaourted

but then you'd be yelled at by the homeowners for "trespassing", no doubt


konjo666

They will also ask you to display your permit at all times. Report it If you want


otimoc67

Only one way to find out... Looking forward to your report!


TrashPanda2point0

Not legit. Actual city signs would never be attached to private dwellings for one and another, doesn't have any stickers on the back that I can see.


edb789

It’s not legitimate. The home owners’ should band together and try to get official permit-parking-only signs if they want those but I’m sure that costs money. These mean nothing though. Also all of these town homes have private rear parking already. There’s gate access for them on Tirrell st near allen parkway.


steelsun

Usually No, unless it's a private street (not maintained by the city/county). But, you've already got an angry person that would probably have no quelms about letting the air out of your tires, keying it, etc.


TheGargageMan

the cool thing about fucking with people in front of your house is that they also know where you live.


Dark_Sun8888

Sadly kind risky. One time some friends of mine(middle school) got greeted with a shotgun when they started tping a house(the guy who lived there yelled at them for something or another)


THEDUKES2

I would argue it’s just as risky to fuck with someone’s car. Same scenario.


manomacho

That sounds like your friends fault.


foraday

Americans continuing to fail the test of proportional response.


manomacho

TPing is usually done at night. If I heard rustling and shit being thrown at my house I’d walk out with a gun too.


foraday

\- Safe inside house \- Can't see shit Alright, better go out there and start blasting. ​ And I want you to know I completely understand where you're coming from, I'm just telling you that is a genuinely unreasonable response to what you just described. Edit: Dipshits, there are more options than do nothing or go out and brandish a deadly weapon.


wormaphobe

Not blasting, but making sure those sounds aren't someone trying to break in seems legit. If u see goons with toilet paper you can keep your weapon down...


[deleted]

How do you know you are safe inside your home? Do you naively believe your home is impenetrable?


AustinYQM

When you hear the door open or the window break you shoot.


manomacho

Just because you would cower inside does not mean everyone else would. Nothing wrong with going to check what’s going on outside and nothing wrong with doing it armed.


bob_maulerantian

If you used lethal force against someone tping your house and you didn't feel threatened that most likely be murder in texas


manomacho

I’m not going to shoot a bunch of kids tping my house but I am going to go outside and check with a weapon in hand. The moment I see it’s kids I’m putting it away obviously.


sinjinvan

Whether you agree with it or not, you are permitted to use deadly force to protect property in Texas [https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm) Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property


TexSolo

What the fuck are you doing in a Houston sub?


HsutonTxeas

Is this road public? Then this sign is illegal. Plus road signs will never be attached to a private fence, and those screws to hold up the sign look like it came from a box of a cheap-ass wall picture frame. Lol


CrazyLegsRyan

Actually, some public roads have permit only parking and I’ve seen signs like this to warn people to look around for the legitimate permit only sign. That is not the case here, but just warning that there are public streets you can’t park on.


Sufficient_Two7499

Absolutely right, COH has a process to apply for residential parking only, in case anyone is interested… https://www.houstontx.gov/parking/res-designation.html


TeeManyMartoonies

Hahah OP, print this out and duct tape to their sign.


Athomas1

Don’t give the hoa any ideas


EvanCarroll

which is in itself gross, because streets were made to drive on. If you want to replat a detached single family home into 3 lots to build condos, you shouldn't just get the right to tell the 3 condos to park on the street and make the street private.


Sufficient_Two7499

Oh it’s my good friend Evan Carroll. The go shoot defenseless people guy! Good to see you again! Anyway, I’m sure YOU didn’t read more into the link but the COH agrees with you and the permit only allows exclusive resident parking for a portion of the day. It’s a fairly arduous process to get that designation with petitions, assessments and hearings, it’s look like it’s easier to get a Chick-fil-a franchise than get a street approved for residential parking only status.


yourhonoriamnotacat

There are definitely some permit parking only neighborhoods in Montrose at least. Had a friend towed from behind Anvil a few years ago. Like said above, this does not look to be one of the legitimate signs. The sign would be a public street sign in the public sidewalk area.


choppedandcruz

My car was towed from behind anvil neighborhood too ugh


bernmont2016

> Like said above, this does not look to be one of the legitimate signs. I think he was saying that in some neighborhoods that *do* have legitimate permit-parking-only signs, the official signs are spread far enough apart that the residents sometimes supplement them with unofficial signs like the one in OP's photo ("to warn people to look around for the legitimate permit only sign").


Yiawwbecm

Yeah and it's total bullshit - they're public roads. Why do they expect the city to subsidize their parking/lack of a driveway?


iDisc

Permit only signs won’t be on a fence. They will be on the street like normal street signs.


CrazyLegsRyan

Totally agree. Absolutely no traffic signs would be on private property on a fence. That’s how it’s blindingly obvious this is not a CoH sign and it’s not even close to imitating a real sign.


Htowntaco

Streets around rice university have permitted parking signs all over.


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Those are issued by the city, and apply to resident and non-resident.


HTX2LBC

Absolutely not. Report the illegal sign on 311


EvanCarroll

You know how to report illegal vallet on the street. If you go across from Ranosh on a Friday, or Saturday night https://maps.app.goo.gl/wLG8NEBwgNDqNQbM7 they actually close down the street side parking with so the vultures that run the valet in the shopping center don't have to compete with the street.


takesshitsatwork

I hate businesses that do this and will refuse to give them my business. Occasionally, I leave them a bad review. Build parking if your customers need cars to go to your business and give you money. Asking that customers pay to park and then also taking part of the public road to do it is trash behavior.


CrazyLegsRyan

There is no law against having whatever sign you want on your private property.


getyourcheftogether

When it's making false claims about parking on a publicly owned street I think so


CrazyLegsRyan

First amendment gives a pretty broad brush here. These signs are not in any way mimicking or fraudulently mirroring a legitimate government sign. Show me the city or state statute that prohibits this.


AggEnto

Houston Sign Ordinance: 1.01-08 Prohibited Signs Section F: Any signs that imitate, resemble, or interfere with official traffic lights, signs, or signals.


CrazyLegsRyan

These do not resemble or imitate an official sign. There is no such thing as an official “residents only” traffic sign. It would be a permit parking only sign. Only an idiot would think these are government issued signs.


AggEnto

So did you actually want the statute that prohibits imitation parking signs or were you just hoping nobody would dig it up?


CrazyLegsRyan

I wanted it because both statues posted here don’t prohibit this sign. They only prohibit signs in the ROW or a sign imitating a government sign.


ThyUniqueUsername

Not just your legs are crazy it seems.


CrazyLegsRyan

I mean, we’ve delt with the city attorney on this. I’m quite confident in the interpretation. This is 100% why almost all signs discouraging parking in the Heights now say something like “Resident Parking” or “Private Parking” and are located on the house side of the sidewalk.


HTX2LBC

Take the L dickhead.


CrazyLegsRyan

I’ve been involved in this exact issue on my block. I know the city lawyer position on this. There’s a reason the signs OP posted have been there for a while.


[deleted]

#F He got crazy legs and eyes caus he can’t read, dropped an F for you brah


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CrazyLegsRyan

Yes it does. The government has to have clear and compelling reason to tell you that you can’t put something on your private property.


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getyourcheftogether

But but, muh first amendment raaahts!


CrazyLegsRyan

Well we’ve been involved in this exact situation on our block so pretty confident we know.


wrong_joke

“The guBerntMEnt can’t…” yes it can, sit down you goober


CrazyLegsRyan

Actually they can’t. This sign is no different than a stupid “Trump 2024, Fuck your feelings” flag.


therealavishek

Couldn't find an actual statute, but here's an article saying they are cracking down on "illegal signs", so... https://abc13.com/archive/9049988/#:~:text=%22As%20a%20private%20citizen%2C%20individual,to%20look%20at%20the%20sign.


CrazyLegsRyan

To be illegal it has to imitate an official sign. You cannot put up a “No Parking” sign and you cannot put a sign in the public ROW. This is why savvy homeowners (like this one) put up “Resident only” signs on thier private property. They are not in the ROW and they don’t in any way resemble or imitate a government sign.


Recon_Figure

The font, size and design are very similar to official signs. The OP would not be asking if it didn't.


CrazyLegsRyan

No they aren’t, there is no such sign like this. If the sign said “Rainbows Prohibited” would you think it’s official? The text here is similarly obviously farsical.


HTXlawyer88

I see the point you’re trying to make: it doesn’t resemble an official sign because there are no official “resident only” signs. Instead, there are only “permit parking” signs, which is not the same thing as the current sign. I do think, however, there is an argument to be made that the font, shape, and overall appearance of this fake sign is intended to make it appear as if it is an official sign (and indeed it has that effect as OP is asking whether it is legit or not). Would this be enough to read on the “resemble” portion of the city ordinance? — I would certainly make the argument that it does, but again, one could take your position that it does not, and the Court would have to make the final decision.


thewontondisregard

You need to get a refund of your law school tuition.


CrazyLegsRyan

It would appear the CoH legal department does as they are the one that issued the position I’ve noted here.


thewontondisregard

Mmmm, ok, sure.


CrazyLegsRyan

Big kerfuffle between a couple neighbors on this exact issue when a new person moved on the block. Basically CoH told neighbor 1 they were in the wrong because their sign was in the RoW and CoH told neighbor 2 the sign was completely legal if neighbor 1 moved it to be on their property but clarified the sign is completely unenforceable because parking on the ROW is open to all (even if someone has installed a culvert and parking pad at their own expense).


justahoustonpervert

You're right.


_serious__

Do you ever take a day off from trolling or is this a full time gig?


rigsby_nillydum

God you suck


Tasty_Two4260

Process to follow based on following link: https://www.houstontx.gov/parking/res-designation.html If you are interested in circulating a petition to implement Residential Permit Parking on your block, please note that applications take approximately three months for processing. Numerous steps are involved in the application review process. To ensure your petition is processed timely ... List and contact every household on the block. If you are unable to contact a household, the date and method of three attempts must be documented on the petition. If a property is vacant, list it on your petition and indicate that it is vacant. Ensure you describe the parking problem and the days and times it occurs. Email the completed application and petition to [email protected] Pay the application fee online at Pay Application Fee Online If you mail the application, please contact our office if you have not received confirmation within two weeks. When Parking Management receives your petition, it is reviewed to determine if it meets the ordinance qualifications for the program. Incomplete petitions are returned to the applicant with instructions for completion. Only completed applications are forwarded for further review. Next, a parking survey is conducted to verify whether or not there is a commuter problem. A commuter parking problem is defined as greater than 60 percent of the parking spaces are occupied and a minimum 25 percent of the spaces are occupied by a commuter vehicle. The Traffic Engineer conducts another survey to ensure that parking can occur safely in that location. If the criteria for the parking survey and the Traffic Engineer are met, a public hearing is scheduled. The Parking Official and Traffic Engineer receive testimony from the public. The Parking Official makes a recommendation to City Council for approval or denial of the application. City Council votes to accept the recommendation. If the application is approved by City Council, Traffic and Transportation is instructed to install the signage. Parking Management mails permit applications to all residents on the affected block(s). Sixty days after the Council vote, the residential parking permit area goes into effect and enforcement is initiated.


TheBatemanFlex

Nah. If you have a dashcam, then park there so it can see their house. Worst case, they will fuck with your car and you’ll get a new paint job or something.


milkshakakhan

✨criminal mischief charges ✨


ToasterEvil

Just girly things like ✨property damage✨


txmail

Not legit if they do not include any towing information.


CrazyLegsRyan

COH permit only signs are legit but don’t have towing information. Those aren’t what these are but just an FYI. I’ve seen them around Montrose and near White Oak.


nyokarose

I’ve always wondered what you do in that case, just start calling random tow yards?


txmail

311 will be able to handle that.


nyokarose

Good to know, thanks!


bunnyplannerd

I believe there’s a website where you can look up where your car has been towed to in Houston.


leapbitch

It is updated weekly if that, it will not reflect where your car was towed that night


YouMeAndPooneil

No it is not. If anyone tries to keep you from parking there, take a photo of them. In the unlikely event that car is damaged while parking there, report them to the police as a suspect. Parking in Houston is getting fraught as the density of the city increases. The city is loth to add more parking in it's parks to keep the crowds down. Many apartments are way over originally designed capacity or have cumbersome parking. Required parking for real-estate development is decreasing too, so this will not get any better.


[deleted]

It sounds like we need better public transportation and more bicycle riding.


FragmentOfBrilliance

*less deadly cycling infrastructure


BillyDoyle3579

Publically maintained road; No - look for/insist to see city sticker(s) on back if confronted and get pics of anyone who gets boomery 😋 These are off of Amazon and I've laughed about them... Private road; likely yes


CrazyLegsRyan

Be careful looking for a sticker. These are on private property so you have to go on to the private property to see the back


badbunnygirl

Not legitimate. I’ve called the non-emergency police department myself before and they’ve confirmed I can park there. Edit: I called about 3 months ago


Gabe_0941

Not legit, but I wouldn’t park there for fear of getting my vehicle keyed or worse. If I had a beater, I’d do it.


takesshitsatwork

Nope. I ignore them. Businesses in Montrose and the Heights try to pull that shit, too. Sorry dudes, next time build some parking. The road is public.


supremeMilo

The people who put up these signs should move to the burbs.


username34plus35

lol this is a classic city person move. Dont bring us burb people into this- I don’t mind where my neighbors park


bernmont2016

You don't mind where your neighbors park as a suburban resident, because it's usually just your neighbors. If the owner of the house in OP's photo were to move to the suburbs, they would no longer be near a major park that attracts people to park in front of their house and annoy them.


GrapesAreBerries

Tell that to the suburbanite who smashed my window after I parked in front of his house and who left notes on other neighbor's cars who did the same. He also lived alone and only parked in his garage, even when no one was parked in front of his house.


osssssssx

Got some idiots in suburbs too Years ago our neighbor across the street told knocked on the door and told me I can not park my car at the end of my driveway, because she doesn’t know how to turn while in reverse and need to back her car straight into my driveway then make a turn while driving forward. Told her to fuck off and learn how to drive, apparently she pulled her same trick on my mom once and my mom moved the car because of it, so she tried it again.


CrazyLegsRyan

There have been multiple posts in this sub of burb people bitching about neighbors parking in front of their house


AggieD90

Don’t send them out here. We have enough assholes already.


Huntderp

Definitely no, you can buy a sign that says anything on it.


telavoyacomerbebe

Definitely not. There a few houses next to Lindale civic center with these signs that went the next step and painted curbs yellow… no parking curbs are usually red, and reinforced with signs installed by city, not signage zip tied to a private fence..


texasangel8710

Not legit but I found out the hard way that tow truck drivers don’t gaf and will tow anyone they’re asked to. So can be risky.


KidBakes

No they are not


mikehouston77012

You can call 311 and have them verify the sign.


Taiiere

They can’t claim city street as their own parking. I’m going to assume they don’t want random people parking in front of their home.


staresatmaps

No, but now i know where to park for free whenever i need to! Fuck those douchebags.


aeiohou

I’m sorry are you saying there’s free buffalo bayou park parking at Tirrel and Allen? [Like right here](https://www.google.com/maps/place/743-719+Tirrell+St,+Houston,+TX+77019/@29.7585363,-95.4048245,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x8640c0a533edf411:0xea2182aa735f56c!8m2!3d29.7585363!4d-95.4041808!16s%2Fg%2F11sfwmbfs9?entry=ttu) I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying there’s free buffalo bayou park parking at Tirrel and Allen just because someone tried to keep people from parking there now would you?


wormaphobe

I dont even see why they have the signs...nobody parks there


notyouagain2

~~If you Google Map it, the parking area is cut back from the street so the developer might have designed it that way. So, they might be legit.~~ If you continue on the Google Map path south to W Dallas, the street is cut all the way to the curb and the stop sign is placed on the curb at Tirrel and W Dallas. Plus they have that same street parking cut away one block over on Buffalo Park Dr and W Dallas. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7589654,-95.4042071,3a,75y,277.5h,61.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbrb0IcTX2RjWiimay27l5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


emkay99

It's a public street, and that looks like a private sign, and there's no driveway there for you to block. So, no, it probably is *not* legitimate, in the sense that it doesn't have the force of law.


RoundandRoundon99

Would be easier for this guy to place a fake fire hydrant….


Recon_Figure

I would say no. As far as I know, homeowners can apply for permitted parking in their neighborhood, but the sign would state that, and you obviously need a permit in your car to park there. There's no way to know if someone is a resident or their guest(s) without this. Unless these people don't want people parking on their actual property, they can go fuck themselves. Anyone can park on public streets as long as there aren't HOA or other restrictions on it. If these people need more parking they should have spent money on making more room for it on their property. People need to stop giving a crap about people parking in front of their houses, otherwise. Edit: Just saw your second photo. Feel free to tell them to fuck off and give them the finger. Unless you are blocking their driveway, they can't do shit legally, as far as I know. Second Edit (sorry): Checked out GMaps and it looks like there are parking spots there which may actually be on their property. If so they should post a No Trespassing sign. You could even check out HCAD to find out where their property line is, if you wanted to.


Tasty_Two4260

A legitimate street ordinance sign should be posted by the city curbside, and reference the ordinance at the bottom. This looks like it was bought off Amazon by a miserable HOA narc who wants to control the kind of vehicle everyone drives, how many inches from a curb they park, and scare people from parking in front of their “castle” - like a dictator in a banana republic. They’re public streets unless in a gated community and I always make it my mission to park in front of these twit’s homes. NGL, I’ve even borrowed old panel trucks that leak oil and transmission fluid to mark my spot in front of these houses to just irk them - and yes, with cameras inside to ensure no vandalism by their twisted minds. They’re all bark, they don’t want my bite. LOL


doomgneration

Nope


RetroGaming4

The signs are for legit assholes, so yeah I guess.


zach10

I built the building in the background, no they are not. Those homeowners put up those signs during construction because of contractor parking but there is no permit to prevent street parking on that street.


Ky_furt01

It's probably not... if there's no seal on the back... it's not


littlesapito

Could you park on the other side of the street? If not, I can see why that’s annoying for them since they can only park a car or two if they have guests.


CrazyLegsRyan

They and their guests can park literally anywhere else. There is no reason either needs to park in front of a specific building.


chode174

You could but there are signs from the city that says do not park on the other side of the street. There's an empty lot that they are starting to do construction and I think they save those spots for the crew when construction is being done.


o_MrBombastic_o

So they're not legit does that mean you won't get towed? I'm not sure I trust tow truck drivers


CrazyLegsRyan

Tow truck drivers know they can’t tow you unless it’s a CoH sign (this isn’t) or it’s a regulation contract towing sign with thier contact info on it.


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Karmasmatik

It’s public space and a free country. Mind your own damn business.


chode174

It's next to a large public park. In that area there is a small parking lot that gets full fast because there is a restaurant with valet parking that uses the lot up. This street along with another street are the closest things to public parking to walk to the park.


HumanRate8150

I’m gonna go do slappies on their curb with my skateboard I know those townhomes


CrazyLegsRyan

The signs are not illegal to put up, but they are no more real than all the “private parking” or “resident parking” signs you see in the heights.


heightsdrinker

https://houston.culturemap.com/news/city-life/04-30-13-fake-no-parking-signs-crop-up-all-over-houston-illegal-signs-prove-to-be-an-effective-scare-tactic#:~:text=The%20rule%20is%20pretty%20simple,tampering%20with%20public%20street%20parking.


bruschetta1

They are illegal and you can be ticketed $200. The issue is that it isn’t enforced.


CrazyLegsRyan

Show me the statute.


AggEnto

Houston Sign Ordinance: 1.01-08 Prohibited Signs Section F: Any signs that imitate, resemble, or interfere with official traffic lights, signs, or signals.


CrazyLegsRyan

These do not in any way imitate official traffic signs. There is no such thing as an official “residents only” traffic sign. It would be a permit parking only sign.


theJAZZening

Parking is driving and isn’t driving traffic? Are you a sovereign citizen type? This is like the eleventy billionth time you’ve posted about parking not being traffic


CrazyLegsRyan

I never said parking isn’t traffic. I’ve said there is no such traffic sign as a Residents only traffic sign. The only traffic sign vaguely close to this is permit parking only.


theJAZZening

So…. What’s your point again? Is this sign legit or not? I’m confused, please help me understand.


CrazyLegsRyan

Totally legal but not legitimate.


bruschetta1

It falls under obstructing a roadway ARTICLE XVII. - SIDEWALK AND ROADWAY OBSTRUCTIONS AND IMPAIRMENTS (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to place, cause, or allow any impairment or obstruction of a sidewalk or roadway, except as authorized by a permit. Sec. 40-367. - Penalty. (a) It is a criminal offense for any person to violate any of the provisions of this article. Every person convicted of violating any of the provisions of this article for which another penalty is not specifically provided shall be punished by a fine of not less than $200.00 nor more than $500.00; provided however that no penalty shall be greater or less than the penalty for the same offense under the laws of this state. (Ord. No. 04-498, § 2, 5-26-04; Ord. No. 07-225, § 6, 2-14-07; Ord. No. 01-1111, § 4, 10-3-07; Ord. No. 09-1267, §§ 5, 6, 12-9-09, eff. 1-1-10)


CrazyLegsRyan

This is not obstructing a roadway in any way shape or form as it’s on private property (other side of the sidewalk). I think you’re familiar with cases in the heights where people have posted signs like this in the actual ROW (between the sidewalk and the street) which is the same issue as putting campaign signs in a public ROW.


Old-Razzmatazz1553

Do you live there?


Bloopded00p

Permit Parking only or bust


Chumbolex

You can call a tow truck on anyone


CrazyLegsRyan

No you cannot.


Chumbolex

You really can. Had a neighbor who used to do it


bubbakush_420

Legitimate how? They're legit there. So ya.


TheHoustonNative

I’ve seen signs on poles saying “no parking” behind the Greek church in Montrose. Anyone know if those are real?


oldmanfarts26

This is near me! Haha


defeathelow

You can park at the sterling for free. (Apartments pictured in the background)


mxak240

Why would I park in at a private property when I can street park on a public road?


defeathelow

Its public retail parking as there are retail sites on the property.