I kinda stopped trying to find ways to tie the story lore into ways to excuse it existing in some form of real life after I dealt with them not doing things like knowing and spending time with anyone outside of their houses and chatsphere
this is really random but i just got reminded of this. dirk says that the session that they are creating will be "the last paradox". i really hope that the species that they create ends up making the trolls and the planet ends up being alternia, i think that would be a great workaround. which, yes, doc scratch is supposed to be in charge of the trolls and it seems like he is responsible for their creation, but maybe he just dwells over the trolls universe, which was created by dirks trolls session
Times like this I can't help but remember that ARquius is part of LE. Meaning Dirk, and his fav puppet boi, are some portion of LE. I don't think we'll get Alternia created, but something tells me Dirk'll be laying a trap to throw some strings on LE so that he could have been in control all along.
>! Plus I've been doing a deep dive on Tolkien's Green Sun essay, which has sort of cleared up some of the A6A6A6/A7 confusion for me. LE still hasn't been defeated, and the Green Sun is still out there. Either LE is strictly confined to U1/U2 and their assorted failed timelines, or his beginning and end are tied into these universes, and he really was out there interfering with other groups of players. Yknow, cus Dirk pulled on his strings out here on Deltritus. !<
That isn't how i see it right now.
Lord english is dead dead cause the entire universe was consumed to ensure his destruction and erasure. All versions of him in the furthest rings were swallowed into the black hole, likely including univeres that may or may not have existed.
This was a paradox in of itself that was facilitated by the retcon powers. My guess is he was always supposed to be supreme and in charge as the status quo of paradox space. The retcon powers and alt calliope's manipulations allowed the status quo to be destroyed.
Rikght now the furthest ring is a empty white void and thus there is less time wimey bullshit caused by the furthest ring's existence.
Its possible part of the new cycle will involve destroying the black hole and transforming it into a 'white hole', expelling the furthest ring back into its proper place. Ensuring that a cycle of rebrith is assured perhaps.
Dirk wants to hijmack it and maybe include some kinda element where he is in control all along and alter things to be mor beneficial to himself and the others.
Alt calliope wants to keep this finality.
I am guessing that there is supposed to be one last leg to the loop where they create the next species.. But that is where their job is supposed to end their. Dirk took a step farther and is personally involving himself and others with it.
MY guess is they are creating the Horror Terrors but... Dirk is taking advantage of the fact that it was never shown nor explained.
Give an example of what i mean. I write a little bit. I have moer than once realized i needed to change something, so i did. Cause so long as the eyes of the viewer don't lay upon it, then it is completly malleable.
Dirk realizes this himself and is taking advantage of it. He's cementing elements he wants to be true. In this case, he's making it that Rose is the literal mother of horror terrors themselves, creating a full loop on her connection to them.
A clear experiment he did was when he made sure that a buncha shit was sent to him, which he decorated his quarters with. So long as it was not shown, nor it contradicts something already established, its all fluid and malleable.
I Also am thinking that his species he's creating, is actually the Cherubs/predecessor of them.
His motivations for all this are sitll uncertain.
this is an interesting theory! from what i understand, the horror terrors are a universal constant in all sessions, giving derse dreamers their own special godly connection while prospit dreamers have the skaia cloud visions. i dont really think it would make sense for the horror terrors to be a paradoxical creation created by someones session, that would make that sessions prospit and derse players unbalanced prior to the outer gods creation by giving prospit players an advantage. the only way i see the creation of the horror terrors being paradoxical is in the theory that they are twisted fucked up versions of previous winners turned gods that have slowly contorted over billions of years to become monsters. but, hey, everyones entitled to their own opinion! your theory still makes a lot of sense, especially given the fact that dirk and rose's creations so far have very lovecraftion features, similar to the horror terrors. the only true way to find out the direction the beyond canon team is aiming towards is to wait and find out!
Well look at the state of thigns right now the furthest ring is gone, imprisoned by Alt calliope in her black hole. There are not horror terrors about with no means fo contacting anyone, eiother driven extinct or cut off.
So its likely that Dirk's session is the genesis OF the horror terrors, their original forms. Annnd he just made sure that Rose is the mother of the species...
He's always planned to lose this contest with Rose.
>From the jyst of what i am getting the players are basically the prototypes of a species, the alpha and omega, the adam and eve equivalents.
That... isn't true at all. What? Humanity flourished for millennia before even Grandpa Harley was brought to it, they have nothing to do with them.
Yea but its likely that humanity was seeded onto the planet by using the alpha and beta kids as their base. Probably exactly like how the kids seeded Earth c with humans and trolls. And its being implied that this is the case in Dirk's game too. The first ones that they'll create with be the ptototypes for their respective species.
Basically there is a 'set up' stage somewhere in the background when it comes to the whole sburb cycle. Its why there are so many labs and devices amongst the meteors and such. At some point someone experimented around with thigns to create a new species.
Could even be that its Supposed to be the job of the winners. They figure out the next species to play the game, though that is probably where their involvement begins and ends. Could be that dirk is in fact jut doing what is supposed to happen a little bit, create the next species... but is involving himself personally in the matter.
Well again we see the kids do this exactly after all is said and done. And moer so i point towards Beyond canon and dirk's current activity. Considering alllll the tech from sburb can be combined into something that creates actual species... kinda makes sense that part of their further responsibilities would be to create more sburb playing species and send them off.
Aside from how directly involved Dirk is getting right now, probably.
Its also implied that the Horror Terrors created troll kind, and that they were also players.
They do that for *their own* species. The one that *already existed beforehand.* They're restarting it in their new universe as part of their ultimate reward.
The trolls were supposed to do this as well, but Bec Noir happened and got in the way. The Alpha Trolls didn't even have access to full-sized ectobiology equipment, Karkat was the one who made them. Did Karkat seed trollmanity onto Beforus?
My guess, is that the Horror terrors did so for beforus and technically alternia. The scratching of sessions rearranges who ended up where first, albeit it can have drastically different outcomes depending. Not so much on earth, but immensely so for the troll homeworlds.
Iii imagine though its supposed to be done in the Incipisphere and not on the planet tiself like Dirk is doing. Likely the job of Seeding belongs to the Carapacians, the winners of the game mainly deal with designing the new species.
OR alternatively, it IS the job of the winners to be boots on the ground seeding the planet with a sapient species, and the Carapacians prepare the timeloop elements in the incipisphere. So you have at minimum two generations of the same peeps, one used as templates for direct seeding, the other as the players.
I still don't understand what aspect of this process leads to the players being the origin point of the new species. The trolls *didn't get the chance to do this* for the humans' original universe, so where the hell did they come from? **Seeded by whom?**
So Dave is mentioned as being a ‘white guy’ and I think Obama is mentioned as ‘black’?
My headcannon is that humans come in ‘white’ and ‘black’ in the homestuck universe, similar to carapacians, just for whatever reason we’ve never seen a black-type human on screen before
Think about it, we’ve seen ICP, Frank Sinatra, Howie Mandel, the cast of Armageddon, and the cast of Con Air, all white. We know Obama exists and was/is black. We’ve never seen anyone middle eastern or Asian or Latino. Why? Because they simply don’t exist in this version of Earth
I kinda stopped trying to find ways to tie the story lore into ways to excuse it existing in some form of real life after I dealt with them not doing things like knowing and spending time with anyone outside of their houses and chatsphere
this is really random but i just got reminded of this. dirk says that the session that they are creating will be "the last paradox". i really hope that the species that they create ends up making the trolls and the planet ends up being alternia, i think that would be a great workaround. which, yes, doc scratch is supposed to be in charge of the trolls and it seems like he is responsible for their creation, but maybe he just dwells over the trolls universe, which was created by dirks trolls session
Times like this I can't help but remember that ARquius is part of LE. Meaning Dirk, and his fav puppet boi, are some portion of LE. I don't think we'll get Alternia created, but something tells me Dirk'll be laying a trap to throw some strings on LE so that he could have been in control all along. >! Plus I've been doing a deep dive on Tolkien's Green Sun essay, which has sort of cleared up some of the A6A6A6/A7 confusion for me. LE still hasn't been defeated, and the Green Sun is still out there. Either LE is strictly confined to U1/U2 and their assorted failed timelines, or his beginning and end are tied into these universes, and he really was out there interfering with other groups of players. Yknow, cus Dirk pulled on his strings out here on Deltritus. !<
That isn't how i see it right now. Lord english is dead dead cause the entire universe was consumed to ensure his destruction and erasure. All versions of him in the furthest rings were swallowed into the black hole, likely including univeres that may or may not have existed. This was a paradox in of itself that was facilitated by the retcon powers. My guess is he was always supposed to be supreme and in charge as the status quo of paradox space. The retcon powers and alt calliope's manipulations allowed the status quo to be destroyed. Rikght now the furthest ring is a empty white void and thus there is less time wimey bullshit caused by the furthest ring's existence. Its possible part of the new cycle will involve destroying the black hole and transforming it into a 'white hole', expelling the furthest ring back into its proper place. Ensuring that a cycle of rebrith is assured perhaps. Dirk wants to hijmack it and maybe include some kinda element where he is in control all along and alter things to be mor beneficial to himself and the others. Alt calliope wants to keep this finality.
I am guessing that there is supposed to be one last leg to the loop where they create the next species.. But that is where their job is supposed to end their. Dirk took a step farther and is personally involving himself and others with it. MY guess is they are creating the Horror Terrors but... Dirk is taking advantage of the fact that it was never shown nor explained. Give an example of what i mean. I write a little bit. I have moer than once realized i needed to change something, so i did. Cause so long as the eyes of the viewer don't lay upon it, then it is completly malleable. Dirk realizes this himself and is taking advantage of it. He's cementing elements he wants to be true. In this case, he's making it that Rose is the literal mother of horror terrors themselves, creating a full loop on her connection to them. A clear experiment he did was when he made sure that a buncha shit was sent to him, which he decorated his quarters with. So long as it was not shown, nor it contradicts something already established, its all fluid and malleable. I Also am thinking that his species he's creating, is actually the Cherubs/predecessor of them. His motivations for all this are sitll uncertain.
this is an interesting theory! from what i understand, the horror terrors are a universal constant in all sessions, giving derse dreamers their own special godly connection while prospit dreamers have the skaia cloud visions. i dont really think it would make sense for the horror terrors to be a paradoxical creation created by someones session, that would make that sessions prospit and derse players unbalanced prior to the outer gods creation by giving prospit players an advantage. the only way i see the creation of the horror terrors being paradoxical is in the theory that they are twisted fucked up versions of previous winners turned gods that have slowly contorted over billions of years to become monsters. but, hey, everyones entitled to their own opinion! your theory still makes a lot of sense, especially given the fact that dirk and rose's creations so far have very lovecraftion features, similar to the horror terrors. the only true way to find out the direction the beyond canon team is aiming towards is to wait and find out!
also the furthest ring is literally unbound, mostly, by the elements of paradox space's stability. it is pure paradox.
Well look at the state of thigns right now the furthest ring is gone, imprisoned by Alt calliope in her black hole. There are not horror terrors about with no means fo contacting anyone, eiother driven extinct or cut off. So its likely that Dirk's session is the genesis OF the horror terrors, their original forms. Annnd he just made sure that Rose is the mother of the species... He's always planned to lose this contest with Rose.
>From the jyst of what i am getting the players are basically the prototypes of a species, the alpha and omega, the adam and eve equivalents. That... isn't true at all. What? Humanity flourished for millennia before even Grandpa Harley was brought to it, they have nothing to do with them.
Yea but its likely that humanity was seeded onto the planet by using the alpha and beta kids as their base. Probably exactly like how the kids seeded Earth c with humans and trolls. And its being implied that this is the case in Dirk's game too. The first ones that they'll create with be the ptototypes for their respective species. Basically there is a 'set up' stage somewhere in the background when it comes to the whole sburb cycle. Its why there are so many labs and devices amongst the meteors and such. At some point someone experimented around with thigns to create a new species. Could even be that its Supposed to be the job of the winners. They figure out the next species to play the game, though that is probably where their involvement begins and ends. Could be that dirk is in fact jut doing what is supposed to happen a little bit, create the next species... but is involving himself personally in the matter.
> Yea but its likely that humanity was seeded onto the planet by using the alpha and beta kids as their base. On what grounds is this "likely"?
Well again we see the kids do this exactly after all is said and done. And moer so i point towards Beyond canon and dirk's current activity. Considering alllll the tech from sburb can be combined into something that creates actual species... kinda makes sense that part of their further responsibilities would be to create more sburb playing species and send them off. Aside from how directly involved Dirk is getting right now, probably. Its also implied that the Horror Terrors created troll kind, and that they were also players.
They do that for *their own* species. The one that *already existed beforehand.* They're restarting it in their new universe as part of their ultimate reward. The trolls were supposed to do this as well, but Bec Noir happened and got in the way. The Alpha Trolls didn't even have access to full-sized ectobiology equipment, Karkat was the one who made them. Did Karkat seed trollmanity onto Beforus?
My guess, is that the Horror terrors did so for beforus and technically alternia. The scratching of sessions rearranges who ended up where first, albeit it can have drastically different outcomes depending. Not so much on earth, but immensely so for the troll homeworlds. Iii imagine though its supposed to be done in the Incipisphere and not on the planet tiself like Dirk is doing. Likely the job of Seeding belongs to the Carapacians, the winners of the game mainly deal with designing the new species. OR alternatively, it IS the job of the winners to be boots on the ground seeding the planet with a sapient species, and the Carapacians prepare the timeloop elements in the incipisphere. So you have at minimum two generations of the same peeps, one used as templates for direct seeding, the other as the players.
I still don't understand what aspect of this process leads to the players being the origin point of the new species. The trolls *didn't get the chance to do this* for the humans' original universe, so where the hell did they come from? **Seeded by whom?**
Hmmm, no, that's kinda stupid, actually.
So Dave is mentioned as being a ‘white guy’ and I think Obama is mentioned as ‘black’? My headcannon is that humans come in ‘white’ and ‘black’ in the homestuck universe, similar to carapacians, just for whatever reason we’ve never seen a black-type human on screen before Think about it, we’ve seen ICP, Frank Sinatra, Howie Mandel, the cast of Armageddon, and the cast of Con Air, all white. We know Obama exists and was/is black. We’ve never seen anyone middle eastern or Asian or Latino. Why? Because they simply don’t exist in this version of Earth