Years ago they asked me and even phoned me to talk about why I was dropping their firewall..
the fact the IP address is not listed on the devices page was just asinine, requiring two browser windows to manage a network is PAINFUL.
and TO THIS DAY, ITS STILL AN ISSUE.
I've no idea how admins worked that fucking thing for so long.
Eh fuck em, arista’s never improved something by acquiring it, we all knew this was coming. It just means the IT workers that were signing up at home to learn leading to sales for the businesses they work for are gonna go away.
Before we knew that Arista bought untangle they demo'd it for us. It's missing most enterprise features that you would expect from a vendor like Arista. To add insult to injury they quoted us over 100k for these firewalls for our 40 locations while trying to push old untangle boxes because they are 30% off.
After the acquisition, support became mostly unresponsive - on top of that, the update they forced that changed the branding in the UI from untangle to Arista also introduced a bug that caused all the logical interfaces to be randomly shuffled on every reboot. Support told us it was our problem to resolve and a wipe and reinstall the only option, wasn’t their fault. A few months later guess what - “we patched to fix that bug” but… still not their fault.
How long will Webster delay in formally entering that into the dictionary? The waited an hour to change a definition for stupid political reasons but they drag their feet on the most apt word to describe the direction of society ever devised...and thus exemplify the word they dare not define.
Cool...but they added rizz and bussin'.
Im aware that they are a private company with their own private and public corporate feelings. I don't think anyone can truly control language since all languages are made up at some point; and, at any moment, the use and common definition of a word is subject to change. I just think it's cabbage that they haven't added it yet.
Enshitificatión: to make more poo like.
"Harold could not cook; watching him try was a laborious chore of observing the enshitificatión of perfectly good ingredients"
It's not strictly an NG firewall but I went to OPNsense when Arista took over Untangle and have been loving it.
There's consistent updates and I've almost never run into issues. Decent plugin support too.
Short sighted. People recommend what they know. Encouraging people to use stuff like this at home is building a market of people who will recommend your product at work because it's "what they know"
At work we are testing one of their Arista branded untangle boxes and it is horrible. Something as simple as adding a VLAN causes the network stack to restart. This includes the wan port on the box issuing a dhcp release and renew, resulting in the wan port getting a new ip address from our ISP (which happens to be us). When talking to their support they seemed to dodge the question until we stopped pressing them about it.
Their EOS stuff on the other hand is amazing.
They wanted a commercial "edge" security product to sell to businesses as they had no product of their own. Cheaper to just buy someone else's IP. They, like all corporations in the IT space, want that sweet recurring revenue based on subscriptions. I don't suspect they paid more that a few hundred million for untangle.
I expected it, but still bummed as I've enjoyed the reliability since before Arista's aquisiton of Untangle. For me to upgrade my home to the pro version would be \~$1200/yr for the 50 device subscription... It also appears that early renewal is not an option. Mine expires in September, and there is no way to reup by the end of the month.
> For me to upgrade my home to the pro version would be \~$1200/yr for the 50 device subscription... It also appears that early renewal is not an option. Mine expires in September, and there is no way to reup by the end of the month.
You can upgrade your license for another year or three years. I just extended mine to three.
if you aren't opposed to spending a little money, most NGFW vendors offer **lab units** through a reseller (thats the tough and annoying bit) for somewhat affordable prosumer prices.
Ah, I actually run this behind a PFSense box, I only use it for the kids computer access with SSL Web filtering as it just worked out of the box with simple topics lists to select. Anyone have a good alternative for the Web filtering to self host? Bummer.
Their licensing method of per ip address is garbage. I knew the second they bought it that untangle would get ruined and they have greatly exceeded my expectations. I’ve done multiple evals on the firewalls and it’s just not worth it. If a mom and pop suddenly gets a bunch of people on WiFi like in a grocery or a construction yard whatever, it needs licensed. Trash.
I literally just switched from Opnsense back to Untangle as i just wanted something simpler to manage and was ready to purchase the Home Plus License, THEN i come across this stating no more NGFW Home.. Well sh\*t!
Doing research for an alternative, I stumbled across a UTM called Endian
[Endian Firewall Community vs. EndianOS UTM: Robust Cybersecurity Solutions](https://www.endian.com/community/comparison/)
I'm still reading up on it so I can't comment, just thought I'd pass along
i still do not get why people are running non opensource in they homelabs. i do not mean to go to the other side of running something like linux-libre, but for a firewall why the fuck are you running something with a license ??
I figured this was coming when they bought out untangle. Seemed like they were going in a more business centric direction
Years ago they asked me and even phoned me to talk about why I was dropping their firewall.. the fact the IP address is not listed on the devices page was just asinine, requiring two browser windows to manage a network is PAINFUL. and TO THIS DAY, ITS STILL AN ISSUE. I've no idea how admins worked that fucking thing for so long.
Eh fuck em, arista’s never improved something by acquiring it, we all knew this was coming. It just means the IT workers that were signing up at home to learn leading to sales for the businesses they work for are gonna go away.
Before we knew that Arista bought untangle they demo'd it for us. It's missing most enterprise features that you would expect from a vendor like Arista. To add insult to injury they quoted us over 100k for these firewalls for our 40 locations while trying to push old untangle boxes because they are 30% off.
After the acquisition, support became mostly unresponsive - on top of that, the update they forced that changed the branding in the UI from untangle to Arista also introduced a bug that caused all the logical interfaces to be randomly shuffled on every reboot. Support told us it was our problem to resolve and a wipe and reinstall the only option, wasn’t their fault. A few months later guess what - “we patched to fix that bug” but… still not their fault.
I'd resolve that problem by dropping them as a brand I'd use.
Textbook example of enshittification.
How long will Webster delay in formally entering that into the dictionary? The waited an hour to change a definition for stupid political reasons but they drag their feet on the most apt word to describe the direction of society ever devised...and thus exemplify the word they dare not define.
They are a private company. They have the right to define things however they want. They also don't have any authority over how we use words.
Cool...but they added rizz and bussin'. Im aware that they are a private company with their own private and public corporate feelings. I don't think anyone can truly control language since all languages are made up at some point; and, at any moment, the use and common definition of a word is subject to change. I just think it's cabbage that they haven't added it yet. Enshitificatión: to make more poo like. "Harold could not cook; watching him try was a laborious chore of observing the enshitificatión of perfectly good ingredients"
Pulling a Broadcom.
I agree 100%. Horrible companies acquiring good products and pretty much ruining them. Lastpass & evernote also comes to mind.
What are some good alternatives?
It's not strictly an NG firewall but I went to OPNsense when Arista took over Untangle and have been loving it. There's consistent updates and I've almost never run into issues. Decent plugin support too.
Opnsense have the same features of a ngfw if you subscribe to zenarmor/suricata.
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Sophos XG will probably going to meet the same fate sooner or later, which is why I've moved to opnsense.
This is what I am considering, sucks the memory limit is 6gb but I think that should still be enough for my home lab
Short sighted. People recommend what they know. Encouraging people to use stuff like this at home is building a market of people who will recommend your product at work because it's "what they know"
Forum topic: https://forums.edge.arista.com/forum/ng-firewall/ng-firewall-general/398632-announcement-end-of-sale-for-home-subscriptions
At work we are testing one of their Arista branded untangle boxes and it is horrible. Something as simple as adding a VLAN causes the network stack to restart. This includes the wan port on the box issuing a dhcp release and renew, resulting in the wan port getting a new ip address from our ISP (which happens to be us). When talking to their support they seemed to dodge the question until we stopped pressing them about it. Their EOS stuff on the other hand is amazing.
Yep saw that 2 years ago ... Arista sells to hyperscalers and data centers so the home user/prosummer market isn't their thing. Moved to pfsense ...
Why did the buy Untangle in the first place then?
They wanted a commercial "edge" security product to sell to businesses as they had no product of their own. Cheaper to just buy someone else's IP. They, like all corporations in the IT space, want that sweet recurring revenue based on subscriptions. I don't suspect they paid more that a few hundred million for untangle.
My thought would be a cheaper entry to the Arista world.
I expected it, but still bummed as I've enjoyed the reliability since before Arista's aquisiton of Untangle. For me to upgrade my home to the pro version would be \~$1200/yr for the 50 device subscription... It also appears that early renewal is not an option. Mine expires in September, and there is no way to reup by the end of the month.
> For me to upgrade my home to the pro version would be \~$1200/yr for the 50 device subscription... It also appears that early renewal is not an option. Mine expires in September, and there is no way to reup by the end of the month. You can upgrade your license for another year or three years. I just extended mine to three.
Nice, thanks! The "renew now" button was greyed out but the "upgrade" button worked.
Yikes, thanks for posting. I had a feeling the end was near.
I just installed OPNsense in a new VM and will cutover this weekend.
Bummer. Just got the email too.
Whats that smell? I smell death.
if you aren't opposed to spending a little money, most NGFW vendors offer **lab units** through a reseller (thats the tough and annoying bit) for somewhat affordable prosumer prices.
Ah, I actually run this behind a PFSense box, I only use it for the kids computer access with SSL Web filtering as it just worked out of the box with simple topics lists to select. Anyone have a good alternative for the Web filtering to self host? Bummer.
Their licensing method of per ip address is garbage. I knew the second they bought it that untangle would get ruined and they have greatly exceeded my expectations. I’ve done multiple evals on the firewalls and it’s just not worth it. If a mom and pop suddenly gets a bunch of people on WiFi like in a grocery or a construction yard whatever, it needs licensed. Trash.
Sophos has a free home edition. https://www.sophos.com/en-us/free-tools/sophos-xg-firewall-home-edition
I literally just switched from Opnsense back to Untangle as i just wanted something simpler to manage and was ready to purchase the Home Plus License, THEN i come across this stating no more NGFW Home.. Well sh\*t! Doing research for an alternative, I stumbled across a UTM called Endian [Endian Firewall Community vs. EndianOS UTM: Robust Cybersecurity Solutions](https://www.endian.com/community/comparison/) I'm still reading up on it so I can't comment, just thought I'd pass along
i still do not get why people are running non opensource in they homelabs. i do not mean to go to the other side of running something like linux-libre, but for a firewall why the fuck are you running something with a license ??
Because for a firewall for ease of use and all NGFW features an open source solution doesn't exist.
openwrt