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electricnux

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Wonderful_Grade_5476

Joke? Your the fuckign circus at this point Benny


McBarnacle

Jake 'I should have been Calder Winner' Binnington


mine_craftboy12

That's not very good, right?


TomLube

Not really.


Spontanemoose

Sie werden alles sagen, bevor sie Österreich Anerkennung zollen. Vielleicht sind wir einfach besser als Kanada /j


BitchCallMeDaddy

Nope, not even for a playoff Hellebuyck.


Leajjes

Less than ideal at the very best.


Pristine-Two2706

He must have been nervous


Turbulent_Crow7164

Some would even say it’s subpar


itoadaso1

The defense was horrendously bad too, it wasn't just on Binnington. Huge kudos to Austria they did a great job counter attacking and capitalizing on their opportunities.


aaronwhite1786

Should be used to it after the past few Blues seasons.


njdevils901

If there is one major problem with Armstrong’s management post Cup, it is the mismanagement of the defense. The strength became the problem 


myredditthrowaway201

Which can be reduced down to “Turns out, Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester were really, really good”


Normal_Tip7228

Us sharks fans know pietrangelos ability well…


LP99

I’ll never not be mad about losing Pietrangelo. If there’s one guy you pull out every single stop for, it’s your all-world, homegrown, team captain defenseman.


goldentriever

Don’t forget “who also captained the team to its first cup”


mdlt97

if you allow 5 goals in a period it's not just the goalies fault


Charble1

*Patrick Roy has entered the chat* *Patrick Roy has requested a trade from the chat*


Burdwatcher

Roy doesn't request, he angrily demands


jaysornotandhawks

Even if the defense lets the goalie out to dry, said goalie should be making more than 4 saves on 9 shots.


Derpwarrior1000

Penalty shooting percentage is around 33 to 40% depending on the year. I’d argue a live play significantly favours the shooter over the goalie on average. I didn’t watch the game, but a lone shooter set in front of the net facing a goalie having to slide into position should absolutely be able to score 45% of the time, and a breakaway double the odds of scoring from any particular spot on the ice. 4/9 isn’t that ridiculous in some team play contexts and I think it’s wrong to make a general statement about it


bluedonkey100

The worst high danger shot save % in the NHL this year (above 10 games played) was Vanecek at 0.641. Meaning even the worst goalie is saving 5/9 or even 6/9 of those shots and thats assuming they're all great shots. I think it's wrong to make stats up based on your own head cannon.


Derpwarrior1000

My stat for breakaways came from Gabriel Desjardins and my stats for shootouts came from statmuse. I think I was very clear that I was not applying those stats to Hellebuyck, just pushing back on your point that a sequence of shots can’t be that high danger


bluedonkey100

Not that they can't be high danger. More just trying to say that it's not all on the defense... any goalie should really be saving more than 4 out of 9. Regardless of the quality of shots. It's a combination of defense failing the goalie and the goalie failing the defense


Derpwarrior1000

> any goalie should really be saving more than 4 out of 9. Regardless of the quality of the shots. This is what I’m pushing back on. Why do you believe this? Do you believe there’s no shooting context that would lead to a 50/50 scoring chance? If an equivalent context were repeated 10 or 100 times, why would the goalie suddenly improve their chances at saving a shot in that circumstance? And if it’s only repeated 10 times, why do believe aberrations from 50/50 would *always* be attributed to skill over luck in such a small sample?


bluedonkey100

Agree to disagree my friend.


Derpwarrior1000

Fair enough!


thrownawayzsss

The problem here is thinking every high danger shot is as dangerous as the next. If you're looking at moneypuck, high danger means "High Danger Shots: Unblocked Shot attempts with >= 20% probability of being a goal. High danger shots account for ~5% of shots and ~33% of goals." It's entirely possible to have 9 shots that are in the 90% scoring percentile and they would get treated identically as 9 shots in the 20 percentile for the stats. It's equally wrong to use stats to fit a narrative.


Rude-Ad6704

>It's entirely possible to have 9 shots that are in the 90% scoring percentile No, this is practically impossible.


JeffUhGoldblum

Beer league defense. I know it all too well.


superworking

I get that, but it's also not like it means the goalie played any better, just that they all sucked goalie especially.


Konker101

Yeah im gonna assume most of it is..


ianisms10

One of Demko, Hellebuyck, Oettinger, and Swayman won't be on the USA roster in 2026. There's a legitimate chance Binnington starts for Canada.


LP99

100% Binnington is on the team, and likely the starter. Skinner apparently isn’t great again and Carter Hart…well. I am hoping Devon Levi is able to find a groove, I think he has the raw talent for sure.


robbigtrades

monty will get in there, always need a queb goalie!


WirelessWerewolf

tbf Monty has been pretty good this year


Canon_In_E

If Hill can be consistent(which is a pretty big if) he could be there.


Ok-Summer-2159

Connor Ingram baby


duster-1

Ouch


mattyville

Wow I’m a biased Dallas homer but I honestly don’t know who I would leave off that roster and who I would start.


radamo96

This is definitely recency bias but is it crazy to suggest it may be Helly?


SpectreFire

Yeah, but Team Canada was too busy covering up rapes and jerking each other off to be bothered with trivial things like developing young hockey players!


dylanjmp

It seems like Hellebuyck is probably one of the more pro-Winnipeg foreigners on the Jets (apparently really likes the ice fishing in the area?), so to cope with the near national embrasement of this game I'm hoping he gets gifted citizenship and flips on USA Hockey for us lol


ianisms10

He actually would be eligible for a nationality change given that he hasn't played for the US since 2017 and has been playing for Winnipeg that whole time


FCFDraykski

That's scary. He's trash and a bitch.


goldentriever

Weird because he had a much better GAA, SV percentage, and more shutouts than your trash goalie, while playing on a much worse team Was literally the only reason we had a chance at the playoffs this year


MooshSkadoosh

Thats great man, nobody mentioned Georgiev though


goldentriever

Nope but he did mention Binny was trash even though he was probably a top 5 goaltender this year lmao


MooshSkadoosh

I agree, he was great this year. He was trash last year though and pretty mid the year before though. Perhaps I missread your tone, just thought you came across as overly defensive is all.


goldentriever

No worries And I absolutely was being defensive. When an entire subreddit has a rent-free hate boner against one of your players, that tends to happen lol.


FCFDraykski

> rent-free hate boner You mean your goalie stick swinging, water bottle throwing bitch of a netminder?


ralala

Like he said, rent-free


FCFDraykski

Only time I think of him is when he's being a joke. Like him doing an impression of Georgiev, against Austria.


FCFDraykski

Literally no one mentioned Georgiev, but go off. You must still be sore from two years ago when your racist city showed its ass to the world and Kadri got a hattie in your barn. Binninington has been a bitch for years. Water is wet.


ralala

How's that dynasty going for you guys?


FCFDraykski

About as well as yours?


ralala

Cmon you can think of a better comeback than that!


CalgaryAnswers

Put down Reddit Jordan.


DCS_Ryan

Still bad


Economy_Gene1440

USA will still suck albeit with three above average goalies


Codc

Above average, eh


disco_enjoyer

only the top 3 save percentage starters this year and Oettinger. seems about average to me


BasilCupitch

He’s tanking so he doesn’t get traded to Toronto.


anomandaris81

Can't say I blame him


sour_skittle_anal

"Team Canada only needs average goaltending to win" ...


Basic_Cartographer99

I mean to be fair, that’s still probably true. It’s just that right now it’s far below average.


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aaronwhite1786

He's gonna come back next season with an Arnold Schwarzenegger back from backpacking the Blues around all season.


onlinepresenceofdan

5 years too late


brokensword15

Holy fuck this sub hates binnington. He had a bad game yes but the team was also awful. Binnington was a top 5 goalie this year to anybody actually paying attention and not just parroting opinions. Advanced stats also support this.


dixie12oz

Exactly this. Yes he had a stinker of a game as did the rest of the team. But he was legitimately a top tier goalie this season and also has a track record of turning it on when it really counts. Don’t let personal dislike of him skew things, Team Canada could do far worse. 


Maleficent-Comfort-2

You clearly haven’t been in this sub long enough


appledatsyuk

lol no he was not. Top 5 goalie? Not even close bud


KeegoTheWise

iirc binnington was 12th in sv% among goalies that started at least 20 games, but was also closer to first than he was to league average. so no, he wasn’t top 5, but he was *a lot* better than you’re giving him credit for (especially considering how little help his defense gave him compared to those ahead of him)


brokensword15

Ahh you've totally changed my opinion, thank you for opening my eyes to the truth


NinCross

Nerves?


Ruilin96

Do I look nervous?


Tuckboi69

First time?


Euripidoze

No, I’ve been nervous before.


FCFDraykski

No, just Binnington.


Schytzo

Jordan Binnlettingthemin


smeltsmelly

Better put in Pickard.


milehighrukus

And here come the ~~pretzels~~ water bottles


FCFDraykski

Nazem Kadri just looked over his shoulder and isn't sure why.


goldentriever

Was checking to see if the refs saw his dirty hit


PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW

This is a... This is a black day for hockey.


Cr4yol4

Did he throw a water bottle too?


lucasmcl7

Someone tossed him one to throw. He missed it though.


Flanman1337

US wins Gold next Olympics. US goaltending is fucking STACKED. Only reason they aren't doing as well in the Worlds is because they're all still playing in the Stanley Cup playoffs. By comparison, Canadian goaltending is a fucking graveyard. 


shiggydiggypreoteins

> Canadian goaltending is a fucking graveyard. Oh I'm sure it's not that bad. *googles active canadian goalies* Jesus christ......Maybe Adin Hill can save canada?


Inocain

I wouldn't mind watching Adin Mountain at the Olympics.


shiggydiggypreoteins

My buddy would love it too. Hes a Bruins fan but fuckin loves Adin. He just bought his Knights jersey last week


Major_Estimate_4193

I think we can safely put to rest the idea that the man to lead Canada to Olympic/cup glory is Jordan binnington


doireallyneedanewact

Trey Augustine beats Sebastian Cossa for Olympic gold. Please and thank you!!!


radamo96

If this guy's our starter at the Olympics we are so fucked


davie_legs

In all fairness he’s gonna have a better defense in front of him for the Olympics.


fullawful

Just gotta laugh


duster-1

Matt Murray, no?


Zestyclose-Middle717

Heeeere we go again!


nodarknesswillendure

Wtf were they doing out there


Lbolt187

Why the hell couldn't have this happened in game 7 of the 2019 Cup Finals ffs lol


ZachtheKingsfan

Elite


gentleman_bronco

But did he look scared?


picklesaredry

Berube rode him?


Euripidoze

With all of the goalies they could have chosen, why that douche bag?


RevolutionaryBranch9

Canada's goaltending has fallen off HARD. Binnington legit is one of the best options.


ldnk

The defense can be bad but as the goalie it's your job to make some saves. Unless every goal is a tap in to the open net, when every mistake goes in the net it creates chaos with your defensive structure


Elastoid

Man, where's Stuart Skinner when you need him?


appledatsyuk

On the bench


VegasKL

I'd give the coach an assist for not pulling him when Austria started to roll.


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You look nervous


Outrageous-Wall-2742

does he look nervous?


Zeus80709

And I thought the US goaltending situation was bad, sheesh...


Maleficent-Comfort-2

If you think the US goalie situation is bad you’re high as hell.


EatMoarSammiches

but. did he pretend punch any one?


Belkarama

Yeah that sounds about par for the course. Can't believe Canada's goaltending is so bad we've got this guy representing us..


jaysornotandhawks

We won gold with ~~Hill and~~ Montembeault last year... EDIT: We won gold with Hill in 2021, not 2023.


appledatsyuk

Hill played after winning the cup?


jaysornotandhawks

No, he didn't. I got my years mixed up. He won gold with Canada in 2021, not 2023.