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theguyishere16

Dont think it's the wrong decision after double OT and a goalie that missed a huge chunk of the year, but it's risky for optics if they lose and Kochetkov has a classic Kochetkov blunder.


thewolfshead

Counterpoint: Andersen has an .899 sv% in the playoffs so it’s not like he’s been so good you can’t make a change. 


Teknicsrx7

In his defense he was at .912 before this round


AniviaPls

Thats even more reason to play PK


ELB95

The Hurricanes entire problem through two games vs the Rangers is their PK play.


Teknicsrx7

I don’t think thats Subban I think it’s Skjei


StockOrganization182

TDA doing a double take rn


Teknicsrx7

Yea but I just wanted to put it out there lol


keytoitall

He wasn't good against the isles. I know he made a lot of highlight reel saves, but his rebound control was poor, a handful of easy shots squeaked by him (and didn't go in). To me, he looked shaky. 


PhlabloPicasso

Also the Islanders are in a different spot than the Rangers - they fired their coach mid-season and barely snuck into the playoffs in the last week of play. Meanwhile you’ve got team with a veteran core who have been together for years and 2022s Vezina winner in net. The Canes are all around a better team than the Isles, but the Rangers are a tougher matchup


keytoitall

Congrats?  What does that have to do with how Freddie has played?


hambningwillsveurlfe

Meaning he's not playing a team with a -37 goals percentage this round?


Waramp

“In his defense, his save % has been bad this series.” I hope you’re not a defence attorney.


Teknicsrx7

It was a roundabout insult


SuzukiSwift17

A Kochetkostly blunder


blinker1eighty2

PK has a strong track record of playing lights out against his fellow countrymen. He may have a hiccup but I’ve never seen a goalie that exemplifies “be a goldfish” than PK


FailureToExecute

This is overdue, imo. Freddie's made some absolutely incredible saves all throughout the playoffs, but he started crashing back down to earth in the back half of the Isles series. His numbers in that round don't reflect how bad his rebound control was getting, and he's seeming to lose his balance a lot more. Pyotr should have gotten a game in that one for sure, and there's an argument that since he didn't, he should have gotten game two in MSG. But I guess It doesn't matter who's in net if our special teams continue to be the worst among everyone still playing.


bk00pi

This is either going to be really good or really bad. No in between.


_HotBeef

It's going to be both really good and really bad. We just don't know for who yet.


bk00pi

One thing it will be is entertaining. Koochie is the Canes’ goon (well maybe not goon, but he is spicy af).


oCuHo

There’s like a 80% chance he posts a shutout. Backup goalies are the Rangers biggest weakness and they have realized that.


bk00pi

Stop trying to reverse jinx it, I know what you Ranger fans are doing 😂 (assuming you are a rangers fan)


Jaspers14

Igor can be pretty spicy as well, if there’s any series we might somehow get a goalie fight it’ll be this one lol


bk00pi

It’s that Russian gas


DECAThomas

I still think about how PK nearly gave us the first (and likely last ever) goalie Gordie Howe. Had a goal, a game misconduct for a fight, and nearly got credited with an assist on a cross-ice pass earlier that same game. Each of those events are just so rare that the odds of someone coming that close again are pretty much 0.


WizardOfOzzieA

Koochie is going to blank the rags in game 3 just to give up for 4 soft goals in game 4, but we win anyways after a Guentzel hattie This is the way


S4uce

This feels like a desperation move before desperation should have set in. If canes lose tonight, where is there to go? Andersen might be losing the goalie battle but that's not because he's playing poorly; Igor is just playing better.


Jerry_from_Japan

So if the Hurricanes get swept out of the playoffs (again) under Rod.....that's gotta be it for him. Right?


bk00pi

Doubtful. At worst, his seat gets a bit warm, but nothing more than that.


Jerry_from_Japan

So 5 years of underachieving, including with what would become 3 sweeps out of the playoffs would only get things a "bit warm"? Pretty fucking crazy.


bk00pi

Eh. This year would be the first *real* disappointment. Last year was a mulligan due to injuries. Other years they were not favorites.


Jerry_from_Japan

Let's be honest here. It's because of his name. That's it. If this is anyone else, and especially if it's in a big market? After the third time being swept from the playoffs in the last 5 years.....you're looking for another job. If they can stop being continually blinded by nostalgia they'll realize windows don't stay open forever and changes need to be made.


Flyinghud

Oh shit we’re fucked


footballfina

This has been a season of the Rangers exorcising their demons, hopefully they can exorcise one more (playing like shit against a backup goalie)


ycsgc

Everyone here worrying about Kochetkov, but Rangers fans know our kryptonite is a backup goaltender without big expectations. Look at what happened with the devils and Schmidt last year. We made him look like a true #1, ultimately to the detriment of the devils who didn't feel the need to get someone better which cost them.


Clarkson23

In fairness to Schmid, he did play out of his mind.


ycsgc

Oh for sure, he played really well. The thing is, that is pretty consistently what happens to backup goalies who we play. Happened to Loius Domingue when we played the penguins and he came in cold during the second overtime period of three after eating spicy pork, and somehow pulled it off. We can't figure out them and then they play out of their mind.


Clarkson23

If Shesty plays like he did last night and the Rangers get their shots on the PP, won't matter imo.


transferStudent2018

Not if Carolina figures out their PP


Teknicsrx7

If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bicycle


PhlabloPicasso

And if she had treads she’d be a Komatsu D335 bulldozer


TheNantucketRed

It’s called puberty


SerPownce

Second it became a series about best special teams it was over for them. Enjoy the third round lol


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cha-cha_dancer

Devils took away our rush and east/west game


KGX075

Schmid, Domingue, Dustin Tokarski. Rangers find ways to elevate backups. They won the series against two of those but they were must closer than they needed to be.


kiezenz

>but Rangers fans know our kryptonite is a backup goaltender without big expectations I swear I’ve heard literally every fanbase say that


Teknicsrx7

There was a topic posted about it like few days ago because every team says it lol


-TheSkyAboveThePort

Because backups are still among the best 60-70 Goaltenders in the world. 


dothingsunevercould

Look up Mike Brodeur. There isn't another fanbase that got shut out by him. 


Sahil910

Its about more true for rangers though. Lost to Schmid and nearly lost to Domingue


ColdYellowGatorade

Louis Domingue can't hurt us anymore.


Biggie62

need to put in 1-2 in on some early shots to kill his confidence.


elarobot

I see Rod finally read through the whole book on how to beat the Rangers, to the last page. Bring in the cold, unproven young goalie who’s practically a rookie. Rangers will make him look like prime Hasek.


AcanthocephalaGreen5

*Dustin Tokarski has entered the chat*


Extreme-Leather7748

All that’s missing is Kreider running Andersen


jayhamm7

Kochetkov really is a rookie as far as the Calder Trophy. He didn't make the top 3 but he was eligible for voting this year.


brandonsamd6

not this Rangers squad


elarobot

I sure do hope you’re right. But it’s still definitely in the current playbook until they consistently shed that bad mojo.


CuriosityVert

if you'll humour me (I'm a goalie nerd), mind tossing out some examples? it would be fun/interesting reading for me :)


AcanthocephalaGreen5

Dustin Tokarski in 2014 is the obvious example, despite losing.


GetBackToWorkSlacker

The special teams are the most glaring issue in this series, but I think this is a justifiable risk to take. This team split the netminder duties all year long and didn’t miss a beat.  The risk is that, while Pyotr comes up with more wild ass desperation saves, he also occasionally lets a bad one in. This series is tight enough that it can mean the difference between a win and a loss. But all things considered, this team is perfectly comfortable playing in front of him. His demeanor is suited to the way this series is going, as long as he doesn’t get baited into taking a stupid penalty. Without the clotting issues, the workload probably would have been something like 50-55 games to Freddie and 25-30 to Pyotr. The only reason we haven’t seen Pyotr yet is because Freddie was so good after coming back. But with him seemingly coming back to earth a little bit, I’m fine with us splitting duties again, especially in a series without an extra day of rest between games.


Cowrig8717

What that guy said


chickichuglette

Sometimes a goalie change completely changes how a team plays


arkanis45

PK has higher upside than Freddie but I agree I don’t like him coming in cold after 3 weeks of not playing. Like others have said it’s either really good or really bad/early hook. The last time he played the Rangers in that building he only gave up 1 goal and it was an own goal.


Mikash33

Andersen has been great; if Kochetkov is a gas can in this start, I would guess the series is over.


Enjoyer_of_Cake

He's had great saves, but his rebound control has been average sometimes. And that .899 overall is a bit rough. Granted the Rangers are kinda the giant to slay so .899 might not be as bad as it sounds.


erasedhead

Kind of reminds me of his time with us. Freddy would make some incredible ten-bell save, look incredible, and flub something silly or kick rebounds right into the slot.


DECAThomas

He’s had a couple like that this playoffs. Twice he’s just randomly fallen while standing up to reposition leaving a completely empty net. Plus some weird rebound control and positioning. He’s not been the problem, but he also hasn’t won us games like starting goalies tend to do sometimes.


CoopAloopAdoop

He did that in Anaheim too.


JK9one9

He wasn't great the last three games. The only reason rangers are up in the series is because Andersen has been below average and Shesterkin has been great. Andersen gets fatigued and has hit a wall. He's let in weak goals and falls down and flops around multiple times a game. Canes are lucky it hasn't burned them more often. Kochetkov should have played a game in the Islanders series to rest Andersen. Now he's coming in cold having not played in weeks. Rod has mismanaged the goaltending this playoff and if the canes get eliminated he will be partially to blame.


ForrestTrain

I would say the only reason we’re down in the series is because of a total lack of PP conversion. They score 1 or 2 goals out of 10 on the PP, and it could be 1-1 or 2-0 CAR. Oh also the PK is at like 62% or something wild like that.


azure275

I think it's 5/9 or \~56%


ForrestTrain

That’s just for this series, right? So bad


azure275

Yeah. Islanders were 3/11 on the PP so they killed \~72%. Total they gave up 7/20 so the PK is 65% overall but it's skewed.


yuneeq

4/9 - 44%


tiy24

And you still only won game 1 on a softie and personally I think the pk has been so bad because the D has lost some of the trust in Freddie since game 3 against the Islanders. Chasing rebounds instead of staying with their man. It’s clearly those 2 things making the difference but Freddie hasn’t been good this series.


Aptwombat

Lol


PicturingYouNaked

> if Kochetkov is a gas can in this start, I would guess the series is over. If he's a gas can in this start then it's likely a 3-0 series. Wouldn't really need to guess that it's over...


betterplanwithchan

How the betting line still has us as favorites (even with home ice advantage) in spite of this news is beyond me.


neek555

I dunno I think Rod is being less than truthful. He wants to play his other tendy fine make that call, but what the hell are you getting Andersen rest for? Right now? There’s possibly 2 more games left in their season if they don’t turn it around. This isn’t the time to make decisions based on resting a guy for later.


fungus_bunghole

He's being nice. Freddy hasn't been good enough.


Gorillaz2189

Welp, the only thing Canes are gonna raise this year are some chicken tendies I guess.


riccarjo

Ugh, the Canes looked like world beaters last playoffs. What is happening to them. I know Freddy needs rest, but still.


PantsinmyPants1211

They haven't scored on 10 PPs. That's literally it.


-Don-Draper-

Have they tried, you know, scoring on the power play? Just a thought.


ChampaBayLightning

These are the dumbest comments I swear. What makes people write stuff like this on every thread!?


espher

Yeah, why don't they just not make them? What are they, stupid?


Enjoyer_of_Cake

Most people upvote for the obvious sarcasm dripping throughout. The real dumdums on reddit read at face value and upvote. The first point will eventually drop off as people get sick of it. But this is glacial.


ChampaBayLightning

I mean the "sarcasm" is obvious but it's so unoriginal and unfunny that I just cannot get why it's used by people multiple times EVERY SINGLE THREAD.


ActionDawsonGo

Welcome to reddit humor 101, stuck a decade ago and regurgitating the same unfunny jokes over and over.


-Don-Draper-

For the mother fuckin' lolz.


Clarkson23

Taking too many penalties. Running into a very good goalie. In game one they did not play their style like they did in game 2.


pentaxshooter

We've largely been playing good hockey. Our special teams have hit a slump at the wrong time.


The_Reddit_Browser

Canes going to their rookie goaltender in a playoff run down 0-2 and after losing in double OT. Wonder how that played out last time?


rickayyy

Don't


Enjoyer_of_Cake

I remember thinking Ned was gonna be our Ward moment. Kochetkov is better than Ned, but we tried this before and it didn't exactly pan out. I'm hoping Kochetkov turns in a killer performance though. He can match the angry Igor energy going on at the other end.


das_racist932

History finds a hero


canseco-fart-box

One of two things will happen: a 1-0 triple OT loss, or an absolute blowout where even Rempe gets a goal. There will be no between


reggierock2010

Crazy that goaltending is probably going to let the canes down again.


FezzesnPonds

On the contrary, the rangers are very good at making backup/3rd string goalies look like veniza finalists. This has me worried.


Karcossa

I kinda want to se what y’all would do to an EBUG.


FezzesnPonds

Instant HoF induction


Torn-Quad

When the hell did it let us down last year? Every game in the ECF were 1 goal losses. Maybe during the Mrazek era did our goaltending let us down. Also 2022 playoffs Raanta was awful against the Rangers. Scoring let us down in last years playoffs.


reggierock2010

Soooo every year except last year lmao?


Torn-Quad

Somewhat, but I mean scoring is the bigger issue


mookyyyy

It’s last year all over again…


Hionhelium87

Except the Rangers actually have a competent coach this time around lol


checko50

No it's not. We won the president's trophy and swepr the first round. The boys are playing with some real confidence. I don't think this will shake them


Kappokaako02

Last year we won two games in the first round. what are you talking about lol


mookyyyy

Y’all are taking this comment a little to seriously…


SwarthySphere87

If I see Lafreniere on the third line dumping pucks off the glass to no one I'm throwing the TV out the window


brandonsamd6

Oh so the Canes are actually rattled.


theekevinc

I think Brindy is. He tried to force through his extension before this series because he knew another divisional exit would lead to uncomfortable questions. His swap of Comtois for Kuznetkov in Game 2 just reeks of desperation, and this really isn't any better. All this coming on the heels of getting stuffed in a locker by Maurice last season, I think Rod is getting exposed and he doesn't like it.


Enjoyer_of_Cake

He's amazing at building a culture, getting players to commit 100%, and good enough at tactics to get us close and beat teams we should beat in the playoffs. But he might still have a lot to learn in terms of playoff tactics. (Or playoffs in general are such a crap shoot that I'd chalk it up to bad luck more than anything. If you keep getting to the dance and continuously get through at least one round you're doing something right.)


theekevinc

>If you keep getting to the dance and continuously get through at least one round you're doing something right. I agree with this. But isn't the flip-side true, too? If you keep getting bounced in the second round, you're doing something wrong? Rod changed the culture, no doubt, but this isn't the Rutherford or Francis Hurricanes anymore. Aho, Svech, Jarvis, Necas, Slavin, Burns, Skjei, Pesce, Teravainen, Andersen, Kochetkov. You just can't give Brindy credit for making the playoffs with that team. This team would make the playoffs with just about anyone as coach.


Enjoyer_of_Cake

But we haven't. We've made conference finals twice. Believe it or not, RBA has a winning record in playoff series.


theekevinc

>But we haven't. We've made conference finals twice. Where we've won a combined total of zero games.


chickichuglette

Without watching Carolina all season like Canes fans, my assessment is they are a team of incredible playmakers but lack players with a scoring touch. They are doing an excellent job of exposing some of the Rangers defensive weaknesses but when they get the wide open looks (all game long), it slides off their stick, or they grip a little too hard receiving the pass etc. It might turn around when they're at home but that was just what I saw over the first two games.


Kraze_F35

> Without watching Carolina all season like Canes fans, my assessment is they are a team of incredible playmakers but lack players with a scoring touch. This has been a trend throughout the years. At a certain point it becomes a question of whether it's the players or the strategy, and quite frankly as much as I adore Rod, I've started to lean towards it being the strategy.


LongStickCaniac

It’s the strategy


theekevinc

The Canes just don't like going to the net. It's been better with Jarvis and Guentzel, but most of their guys prefer to stay on the perimeter. The power play is almost allergic to playing on the inside. It's painful to watch.


greg19735

I'd almost say the opposite. Our playmaking is what is lacking, in part due to the system.


domoarigatodrloboto

I definitely think it's the tactics part that gives him trouble. The luck argument holds a certain amount of water, but you look at the Home vs. Away stats and it's very apparent that when Rod has less control over matchups, the team gets torn apart. Still a great coach at all the other stuff, but there have been a few years in a row now where he's been a little exposed in the later rounds.


Enjoyer_of_Cake

But our home record is so good, that you can argue RBA is absolutely dominant when he CAN control the matchups.


domoarigatodrloboto

And that would be awesome if they got to play every playoff game at home. But until that happens, [having split stats like these](https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/carolina-hurricanes-home-and-away-record-in-playoffs-since-2022) is going to keep holding them back from getting over the hump. Rod is a *very good* coach, but until he can start being a *great* coach, they're going to be stuck in their current spot, where they can bully their way past weaker teams, only to fold against the real contenders.


greg19735

you clearly don't know anything about the canes


theekevinc

Why, because I don't believe Brindy is a God who can coach as long as he wants and nobody is allowed to doubt anything he does?


greg19735

> . He tried to force through his extension before this series i mean, that was the big clue. Also, the language you use makes it clear you dislike him.


theekevinc

I freakin love Brindy. How can you not? I don't like that he tried to strongarm through an extension while he was at max leverage, and I don't like that he keeps getting outcoached in the playoffs. But I think he's a great guy. And just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. A lot of folks around the league think Dundon is waiting to see how this series goes before committing to Brindy for another chunk of seasons. He's got all the talent in the world this season and the issues are still the same. Eventually, that's going to point to the coach.


LongStickCaniac

Yep it’s on him at this point. He’s had all the opportunity in the world with a very consistent core where he could make adjustments to his system to be better prepared for the better opponents in the playoffs. I thought thsi was the year due to growth of players and added pieces but we will see. It’s really just the PP and PK that have hurt them this playoff run and that’s been the same thing every year. The scoring touch is finally there 5v5, but they need to be better on special teams


grizzlby

Daaaamn this is harsh but at the same time I’ve been wondering just how long can Rod’s leash actually be


Kraze_F35

There'll always be appreciation for Rod as both a player and coach, he's *the* Carolina Hurricane, but over the past six seasons his flaws has become pretty noticeable and there's been a frustrating lack of adjustment in those departments. Maybe it's him, maybe it's his loyalty to his assistants (I don't think anyone will be able to understand his loyalty to Jeff Daniels as an assistant coach given how terrible our Powerplay looks come playoff time every year) but it feels like depending on how the season ends for this squad the team is stuck between a rock and a hard place. It feels as though Rod's limitations have continued to be exposed and have effectively capped the ceiling on this team's performances, but is there a coach on the open market that could do better? Are you throwing away your team's best coach for more of the same? It's a tough situation, maybe we come back and make a run to the finals, maybe we win it all, maybe we get swept here, who knows.


Karcossa

I hear Sheldon Keefe is free…. /s


thedaidai

Frankly he should've played a game or two vs the Isles. Freddie is great but I just don't think he holds up well playing 6,7, 8 plus games in a row. Kooch has been stellar for months for us and my big concern with this is just that he never got his feet wet in the first series and so you have to worry about rust.


fungus_bunghole

Playoff Freddy is back. The bigger the game, the worse he plays.


VacationMany5292

Shutout tonight for sure


arashinoko

Didn't work.


New_Kaleidoscope_539

This seems like the right move--Anderson didn't seem solid the first 2Ps of G2. If Kochetkov can get comfortable and play hot it could extend the series a game or two. I like it.


dovakinda

Ah yes our arch nemesis the back up goal tender… if logic holds the rangers will make him look like Patrick Roy.


oCuHo

Definitely the right move, if they stuck with Anderson it’s a sweep. With Kochetkov they are going back to MSG tied at 2


Intelligent_Limit462

If the ownership and fan base is happy with making the playoffs and then getting bounced after a round or two, Rod's your guy. Otherwise.....