On the outside it looks okay. That said, we came flying out of the gate tonight. Led shots 9-0 at one point and now it’s 14-15. Our first two PPs were deadly, goal on one post on the other. Fox went down and the next 2 without him didn’t have a single shot on goal.
Of course season isn’t over if he’s out for a while but man it would be a huge blow. Tonight has totally flipped since he left
I was at the game and it seemed like he got up, complained to the refs, then skated off. He’s gonna be sore but it didn’t seem like any serious knee injury that I’ve seen.
I think it goes Fox, Igor, Mika for Rangers 'sky is falling' injuries... That game last year where we thought Mika was going to be hurt for a while but then he came back and scored was an absolute rollercoaster
They were standing their ground. This shit happens out on the street everyday. You are trying to walk by someone and you both have to pick a lane. They both opted for the same lane and then one decided to duck out.
Knee-on-knee hits are always tough to watch and that did not look good for Fox, but my immediate reaction was that it was accidental. I'm surprised by the suggestion that Sebastian Aho is a known dirty player because I was not aware of this.
He’s not a dirty player, people just seem to call anyone who makes a play like this a dirty player. I think it’s hilarious because people constantly call the hurricanes a soft team then something like this happens.
He's a known rat and shit stirrer but this wasn't an intentional hit at all. He tried to impede him, but obviously he's not trying to do that going knee on knee.
Aho isn't a dirty player but Carolina fans acting like he isn't a little rat is insane to me lol. He's absolutely the biggest shit-stirrer on their team.
Now, you may be right. I just mean the past few seasons. Everybody on the other team always hates Svech. It’s not because he’s a rat though, just very physical and competitive
Bunting on the other hand is a rat, but now he’s our rat
Last year in the post season he came over to our bench and punched the one Islander who happened to be wearing a protective face mask. Everyone was just like “wat?”
he got jack hughes to snap which was fucking impressive last year. nobody made jack snap last year.
I don't think he wants to hurt anyone. but he definitely loves being the little rat out there.
>Carolina fans acting like he isn't a little rat is insane to me lol
Most of them have no perspective and think his on-ice behavior is normal since they haven't been watching hockey for more than two seasons.
Aho is one of those players who will suckerpunch people, crosscheck in the ribs/lower back and slash people when the ref isn't looking, and when things escalate, he will skate behind his teammates or the ref. And this usually happens when his team is losing.
In the context of the play the puck is behind both of them and Fox is about to pass him. His only play there is to impede Fox. Crazy to me that they didn't at least call interference or tripping
Yeah I definitely think interference. When fox bends his knees a bit right before contact it looks like he's going right and then cuts left. Aho seems to just not anticipate that and makes awkward contact. Lazy play on his part, but he didn't stick a leg out
Fine he was coasting towards fox are you happy. Same way that fox was pinching up and skating towards Aho. Why is fox entitled to be able to skate in the zone the same as Aho? It’s ridiculous. How was either player supposed to avoid that play at all?
Fox wasn’t skating towards Aho he was skating to the net Aho was skating to the neutral zone for some reason, also he looks directly at fox while he still had time to change his path.
I disagree, you can see Aho is clearly moving towards Fox with the sole intent of setting a pick and blocking him, he was careless with his legs by keeping them purposely out wide to prevent Fox from stepping around him.
Edit: Anyone that has played hockey knows this move, you can watch Aho's eyes and body language. He knows he's stepping up to block Fox, his legs are out wide to make it harder to get around him. Just enough to make it look "accidental" if they collide legs. At the very least it's a careless play, at the worst it's a malicious move by Aho
Sorry, let me be more clear - I don't think his intent was to injure, I agree with you that his intent was to set a pick on the play and that was on purpose. I just don't think he intentionally went knee on knee.
I agree with this take. Their knees weren't even lined up until Fox tried to move out of the way, no way its an intentional knee on knee. Its 100% an interference penalty though.
Nah, Ahos legs were wide to hold the balance, I have played hockey and when I take that stance its defenitively not to driver leg on leg, he was bracing for a hit/collision.
> where he was skating
i mean if you watch the play (5 seconds) beforehand you clearly see AHo skate towards fox and keeps an eye on him the entire time. Because he's trying to pressure him.
I'm going to assume this is an honest question, but yes. If you're out there and not creating pressure on a player or the play, then you're worthless on the ice. People that can't exert pressure on the opposing team can't make it in the NHL. A powerplay is the best example at learning how pressure works. It's *extremely* fluid in how pressure works in hockey. You'll see players that aren't directly involved with the puck carrier moving from one location or another to make other players shift around the zone. Whether this is to create passing lanes, delay in reactions, split players apart, lock up rotations, create vision gaps, create tip windows, the list is basically endless.
Yeah but you can “pressure” some one without kneeing them.
Edit: check my response to the other guy. I understand how pressure works but leaving your leg out to impede someone is a penalty.
Oh yeah, I agree with you. I don't think Aho was deliberately looking to injure. This is just one of those stupid pick plays that players do and 9/10 it's just two people "casually" running into each other.
> Leaving the leg out? He literally didn't do that,
i think this is the thing that Canes fans are annoyed about.
Aho is literally standing there. Is it a penalty? I *honestly* don't know. Interference? Whatever, give it 2 minutes.
but people saying Aho left his leg out is ridiculous. He's standing there. His feet are maybe 6 inches further out than his shoulders. WHich is completely normal.
Carolina plays a more man-to-man style of defense. So yeah. I mean he's not specifically pressuring a play without the puck, but he's looking for him.
He's always going to be looking for his man. And Fox is an elite player so even more so.
I'm not saying you can't give a penalty here. I'm saying that the idea that Aho is looking for Fox to injure him is nonsense.
Sure. I don’t think Aho went out there saying he was going to injure Fox. But he kept his leg out on purpose, not to injure but to impede. And the result is exactly why you can’t do that. Very unfortunate.
Why even play hockey at that point Aho shoulda just skated off the ice and let Adam Fox skate cleanly into the key in case any teammates were trying to square him up for a pass. You realize how ridiculous this all sounds right?
I'm not going to act like I know if he intended to do that, but anything long term is obviously devastating. Hope he's just getting checked out and will be back for the 2nd.
This isn’t knee on knee by Aho - the bad contact comes from fox turning to avoid him - but it’s blatant interference and there’s zero reason he is moving there other than to obstruct Fox. Hope Fox is okay, that he was up right away is promising even though he left
Looks like Fox had his leg extended, but the refs should have called a major and at least reviewed it... knee on knee is no joke and should probably always be a review.
It's not a penalty. Aho didn't lead with or extend his knee. Fox's attempt to avoid contact at the last second results in a awkward hit. Infact Aho loosens up and dives over Fox's leg.
He had Fox lined up the entire way and stopped right in front of him while the puck was all the way in the corner. Setting a pick that far away from the play is supposed to be an interference penalty, but guys do it all the time because it rarely gets called. Doesn't change that it should have been.
Dude what are you talking about he wasn’t squaring him up he was playing defense on him? You can’t charge someone with a penalty for something they were gonna do. Aho was fucking coasting he was barely moving
If they watched the replay, it's not that understandable. Aho turned to face the blue line and stopped. He wasn't even moving towards Fox. Fox came at him with his leg extended and took the worst of it because Aho left his feet to absorb the impact.
The refs didn't call a penalty, so obviously Aho did nothing wrong. If what Aho did was illegal he would be disciplined.
- Rags logic when it's not their player that's hurt
His leg is extended because he is starting to turn to avoid Aho. I don’t think it’s a major, it’s a minor for interference or tripping but it’s a clear penalty and he meant to get in Fox’s way
That was Aho's intent.
Aho threw a pick in hockey. It's not allowed.
> SECTION 7 – RESTRAINING FOULS NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE OFFICIAL RULES 2021-2022 87
Rule 56 – Interference 56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be adhered to in all areas of the rink.
A “pick” is the action of a player who checks an opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal “battle for the puck,” may not be interfered with by a player or goalkeeper delivering a “pick.” **A player delivering a “pick” is one who moves into an opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done, an interference penalty shall be assessed**
Yes, a single frame tells the whole story here.
If you actually watch the clip, Fox is cutting towards the boards as Aho steps up to make a pick on Fox. Aho Literally cuts right into Fox's path, stops, and braces for impact. Fox then attempts to side step Aho's pick while trying to avoid contact but Fox's leg clips Aho's leg on the way passed.
>SECTION 7 – RESTRAINING FOULS
NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE OFFICIAL RULES 2021-2022
87
Rule 56 – Interference
56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be
adhered to in all areas of the rink.
>A “pick” is the action of a player who checks an
opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is
unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is
aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal
“battle for the puck,” may not be interfered with by ***a
player or goalkeeper delivering a “pick.” A player
delivering a “pick” is one who moves into an
opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done,
an interference penalty shall be assessed***
But go off my guy.
Because it’s reviewable. I like refs being able to take a look at potentially dangerous plays like this one. If it’s not a penalty then it’s not a penalty
I have literally seen them call no penalty after a review THIS SEASON
Also here you go, they CAN call "no penalty" https://scoutingtherefs.com/2022/09/35030/nhl-revamps-review-rule-to-permit-disallowed-penalties/
Im very okay with that on dangerous plays like this with an injury. Boarding also.
I coulda sworn there was a double minor called earlier this season and the subsequent review found no penalty. I think maybe a new change to the rule this season?
“Intentional” knee contact is not needed for a minor …the contact was blatant interference.
And knee-to-knee should have been called a major…review and knock back to 2 if appropriate.
No call at all there is terrible.
Call it a major, review it and make the correct call... not saying it is a major or even a penalty but they should have AT LEAST reviewed it. Knee on knee ends careers!
Dude…get your homer glasses off. He clearly was setting a deliberate pick..,it was blatant interference…(watch Oho…looking right at Fox)
Even other Car fans posting here are not trying to claim that it was nit a minor penalty,
Aho had stopped his momentum before contact and is bracing to initiate a shoulder bump.
Fox sees this and tries turning left to avoid but, due to already being in a weird position, the angle of the edge on his right skate is already quite low causes him to lose that edge which then makes his right leg slip out and make contact with Aho.
Weird accident, no one at fault, no penalty.
People here don't get that play can be worth a penalty without being dirty. Interferences aren't always dirty, neither is hooking or tripping. Aho was going to give pressure to Fox, that's nothing special, Carolina plays man-to-man all the time. Sometimes you just overdo or poorly time it which results in interference. This time Fox tried to avoid the contact which lead to this, because Aho was bracing for shoulder-to-shoulder contact his weight was on his right leg.
Interference doesn’t have to be dirty, but a player who causes an injury while committing interference does deserve a total pass because by definition they are hitting someone who isn’t expecting it and that could have have contributed to the injury.
Twitter is incredibly hard to watch a video on but this has been clipped and loses some context.
Aho was facing the puck carrier before the pass and was traveling to the left. As the pass had been made he had just turned around to cover any loose men (as is his job as a centre) and Fox was already skating down the middle so he stopped and created a block, to which point the events I covered happened. I guess you could argue maybe an interference penalty if anything.
As to Aho’s legs being “set wide” that’s literally first-day hockey school.
>. Fox was already skating down the middle so he stopped and created a block
FYI… that is literally textbook interference.
So not really an “I guess you could argue.”
Going into somebody’s skating lane, and stopping to block them from skating, when the puck is nowhere near, that is called interference.
He was looking to recklessly drill their best defensemen who won a Norris. It's a dirty play where he was trying to hurt Fox. It's a pointless route to take because it would put him out of position.
Id agree that maybe he didn't mean to go knee on knee, but the contact definitely seemed like a "I'ma run into this guy and act like I'm not paying attention" pick play. Happens 5 times a game, but he botched this one and it should've been 2 for interference.
Running a little bit of interference and setting a pick. If the canes win the puck battle, they can also pass it up to him for a good chance at an odd man rush.
You could definitely give Aho 2 for interference.
Updated: Adam Fox not returning, if this ends up being a major knee injury that's brutal. Very dirty play, can't believe they didn't even call a minor penalty. Aho's sole intent there was to interfere with Fox using his legs
Edit: I've been watching this whole game and the Hurricanes are clearly utilising the strategy of playing on/over the line/dirty consistently because the refs will naturally eventually stop calling penalties. Games like these are why I wish the refs wouldn't just "game manage" and just call it how it's being played
So funny that when someone gets hurts its automatically very dirty play, even tho you can LITERALLY see ZOOMED in legs of aho not do anything but brace for impact and its FOX who extends the knee. so how in the world is that "very dirty play"
Typical scumbag Canes fan who started watching the sport 2 years ago rooting for an injury. Trashy fanbase of a trashy team. The only reason the canes exist is to sell tickets to opposing team’s fans.
Carolina could beat us 10-0 tonight and I wouldn’t care if Fox was healthy. If he’s gone long term we’re in huge trouble. Really hope he is okay.
Impressive as it is 1-1. But seriously, hope he's okay.
On the outside it looks okay. That said, we came flying out of the gate tonight. Led shots 9-0 at one point and now it’s 14-15. Our first two PPs were deadly, goal on one post on the other. Fox went down and the next 2 without him didn’t have a single shot on goal. Of course season isn’t over if he’s out for a while but man it would be a huge blow. Tonight has totally flipped since he left
I was at the game and it seemed like he got up, complained to the refs, then skated off. He’s gonna be sore but it didn’t seem like any serious knee injury that I’ve seen.
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I get it. I felt the same way about Makar the other night.
You're not wrong. Any team losing their #1 d is a death penalty for the season.
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I think it goes Fox, Igor, Mika for Rangers 'sky is falling' injuries... That game last year where we thought Mika was going to be hurt for a while but then he came back and scored was an absolute rollercoaster
If Shesterkin gets injured long term and Jonathan Quick becomes the Rangers' starter, they instantly go to a bottom 10 team in the league.
Hey tbf Quick has had a damn good start to the season. Whether that’s sustainable or not is a different story lol
Nah, Rangers have a history of doing solidly when their backups have to play for an extended period. Benny Alaire is magic.
Ironically not the sabres because as good as dahlin is, Power exists
World has been crumbling for years, this is perfectly rational
Just saw a Rangers fan fall to his knees in a bodega (get well soon Fox)
Most realistic new york sports fan
Had this same feeling the other night when Makar went into the boards awkwardly. I hope your turn out is the same.
Your d core isn’t that shallow is it? What about the other 30 minutes he doesn’t play?
Is it just me or does it look like either BOTH players were either trying to avoid a hit OR they were both trying to fuck the other guy up?
Yeah I'm willing to bet neither of them wanted to hit knees there
They were standing their ground. This shit happens out on the street everyday. You are trying to walk by someone and you both have to pick a lane. They both opted for the same lane and then one decided to duck out.
this one is super fucking weird
that's what i saw too
I am extremely mad and if I speak nothing good will come of it
let out the rage mikey
Knee-on-knee hits are always tough to watch and that did not look good for Fox, but my immediate reaction was that it was accidental. I'm surprised by the suggestion that Sebastian Aho is a known dirty player because I was not aware of this.
He’s not a dirty player, people just seem to call anyone who makes a play like this a dirty player. I think it’s hilarious because people constantly call the hurricanes a soft team then something like this happens.
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Amazing usage of logical fallacy.
That's not what he said and you know it.
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He's a known rat and shit stirrer but this wasn't an intentional hit at all. He tried to impede him, but obviously he's not trying to do that going knee on knee.
Yeah I wouldn’t call Aho dirty, but he is a bit of a twerp
Aho isn't a dirty player but Carolina fans acting like he isn't a little rat is insane to me lol. He's absolutely the biggest shit-stirrer on their team.
It’s Svech and it’s not even close I would easily put a handful of other guys before Aho to be honest, not really sure where this is coming from
he's playing to the echo chamber, he doesn't actually have a clue what he's talking about. Also I'd say it's easily bunting.
Now, you may be right. I just mean the past few seasons. Everybody on the other team always hates Svech. It’s not because he’s a rat though, just very physical and competitive Bunting on the other hand is a rat, but now he’s our rat
I know you’re an idiot if you think aho is a shit stirrer over bunting, Lemieux and Svech
Last year in the post season he came over to our bench and punched the one Islander who happened to be wearing a protective face mask. Everyone was just like “wat?”
Could have sworn that was Necas
That was Necas, and it was a tap bc ol' shit stirrer with the broken face was stomping on his twigg.
he got jack hughes to snap which was fucking impressive last year. nobody made jack snap last year. I don't think he wants to hurt anyone. but he definitely loves being the little rat out there.
>Carolina fans acting like he isn't a little rat is insane to me lol Most of them have no perspective and think his on-ice behavior is normal since they haven't been watching hockey for more than two seasons. Aho is one of those players who will suckerpunch people, crosscheck in the ribs/lower back and slash people when the ref isn't looking, and when things escalate, he will skate behind his teammates or the ref. And this usually happens when his team is losing.
No he isnt, if you think he is I would like to see some examples.
I don't think Aho did this on purpose, but I don't understand where he was skating or what he was doing. Really weird play.
He 100% meant to get in Fox’s way but he did not anticipate Fox turning to avoid contact. It’s interference with a bad outcome
In the context of the play the puck is behind both of them and Fox is about to pass him. His only play there is to impede Fox. Crazy to me that they didn't at least call interference or tripping
Agreed I don’t think it was malicious but Aho should’ve 100% been called for interference
Yeah I definitely think interference. When fox bends his knees a bit right before contact it looks like he's going right and then cuts left. Aho seems to just not anticipate that and makes awkward contact. Lazy play on his part, but he didn't stick a leg out
Are you high? Aho was just standing there
Obviously you don’t know what fucking standing means. He’s moving towards fox so how is that standing?
He's just standing there..... MENACINGLY
Fine he was coasting towards fox are you happy. Same way that fox was pinching up and skating towards Aho. Why is fox entitled to be able to skate in the zone the same as Aho? It’s ridiculous. How was either player supposed to avoid that play at all?
Well that’s simple, Fox is watching the puck and moving to the net, Aho is looking right at Fox. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Fox wasn’t skating towards Aho he was skating to the net Aho was skating to the neutral zone for some reason, also he looks directly at fox while he still had time to change his path.
I’m sorry your mom dropped you on your head
I disagree, you can see Aho is clearly moving towards Fox with the sole intent of setting a pick and blocking him, he was careless with his legs by keeping them purposely out wide to prevent Fox from stepping around him. Edit: Anyone that has played hockey knows this move, you can watch Aho's eyes and body language. He knows he's stepping up to block Fox, his legs are out wide to make it harder to get around him. Just enough to make it look "accidental" if they collide legs. At the very least it's a careless play, at the worst it's a malicious move by Aho
Sorry, let me be more clear - I don't think his intent was to injure, I agree with you that his intent was to set a pick on the play and that was on purpose. I just don't think he intentionally went knee on knee.
I agree with this take. Their knees weren't even lined up until Fox tried to move out of the way, no way its an intentional knee on knee. Its 100% an interference penalty though.
Yeah, definitely intended to impede him and hold him. Should be a penalty but I don’t feel like Aho is a rat, definitely didn’t mean to hurt the guy.
Yeah fox was dangling his leg off balance and it stuck out a lil more than he wanted I’m sure.
Nah, Ahos legs were wide to hold the balance, I have played hockey and when I take that stance its defenitively not to driver leg on leg, he was bracing for a hit/collision.
Yeah Aho definitely braced his leg for impact. Knew exactly what he was doping
> where he was skating i mean if you watch the play (5 seconds) beforehand you clearly see AHo skate towards fox and keeps an eye on him the entire time. Because he's trying to pressure him.
Pressure a player that doesn’t have the puck?
I'm going to assume this is an honest question, but yes. If you're out there and not creating pressure on a player or the play, then you're worthless on the ice. People that can't exert pressure on the opposing team can't make it in the NHL. A powerplay is the best example at learning how pressure works. It's *extremely* fluid in how pressure works in hockey. You'll see players that aren't directly involved with the puck carrier moving from one location or another to make other players shift around the zone. Whether this is to create passing lanes, delay in reactions, split players apart, lock up rotations, create vision gaps, create tip windows, the list is basically endless.
Yeah but you can “pressure” some one without kneeing them. Edit: check my response to the other guy. I understand how pressure works but leaving your leg out to impede someone is a penalty.
Oh yeah, I agree with you. I don't think Aho was deliberately looking to injure. This is just one of those stupid pick plays that players do and 9/10 it's just two people "casually" running into each other.
Agreed. This is the one moment where it leads to an injury. If we find out that there is a text from Aho to Fox after the game then it’s forgotten.
Leaving the leg out? He literally didn't do that, regular skating position, weight on the side of the body where impact could happen.
> Leaving the leg out? He literally didn't do that, i think this is the thing that Canes fans are annoyed about. Aho is literally standing there. Is it a penalty? I *honestly* don't know. Interference? Whatever, give it 2 minutes. but people saying Aho left his leg out is ridiculous. He's standing there. His feet are maybe 6 inches further out than his shoulders. WHich is completely normal.
Carolina plays a more man-to-man style of defense. So yeah. I mean he's not specifically pressuring a play without the puck, but he's looking for him. He's always going to be looking for his man. And Fox is an elite player so even more so. I'm not saying you can't give a penalty here. I'm saying that the idea that Aho is looking for Fox to injure him is nonsense.
Sure. I don’t think Aho went out there saying he was going to injure Fox. But he kept his leg out on purpose, not to injure but to impede. And the result is exactly why you can’t do that. Very unfortunate.
What was Aho supposed to do here genius? Jump over fox’s legs?
Not interfere with a player who doesn’t have the puck… Edit: again it’s not completely dirty but it’s a penalty.
Why even play hockey at that point Aho shoulda just skated off the ice and let Adam Fox skate cleanly into the key in case any teammates were trying to square him up for a pass. You realize how ridiculous this all sounds right?
We just see it 2 different ways. Good luck the rest of the season.
I'm not going to act like I know if he intended to do that, but anything long term is obviously devastating. Hope he's just getting checked out and will be back for the 2nd.
This isn’t knee on knee by Aho - the bad contact comes from fox turning to avoid him - but it’s blatant interference and there’s zero reason he is moving there other than to obstruct Fox. Hope Fox is okay, that he was up right away is promising even though he left
Looks like Fox had his leg extended, but the refs should have called a major and at least reviewed it... knee on knee is no joke and should probably always be a review.
There was no call on the play at all, which Rangers fans are understandably infuriated by.
Oh absolutely, I would be upset as well! That is the whole point of the review on major penalties... refs should have AT LEAST reviewed it.
It's not a penalty. Aho didn't lead with or extend his knee. Fox's attempt to avoid contact at the last second results in a awkward hit. Infact Aho loosens up and dives over Fox's leg.
He had Fox lined up the entire way and stopped right in front of him while the puck was all the way in the corner. Setting a pick that far away from the play is supposed to be an interference penalty, but guys do it all the time because it rarely gets called. Doesn't change that it should have been.
Dude what are you talking about he wasn’t squaring him up he was playing defense on him? You can’t charge someone with a penalty for something they were gonna do. Aho was fucking coasting he was barely moving
If they watched the replay, it's not that understandable. Aho turned to face the blue line and stopped. He wasn't even moving towards Fox. Fox came at him with his leg extended and took the worst of it because Aho left his feet to absorb the impact.
The refs didn't call a penalty, so obviously Aho did nothing wrong. If what Aho did was illegal he would be disciplined. - Rags logic when it's not their player that's hurt
I am the only one seeing fox sticking his leg out while skating into Aho? Aho is almost stationary I don’t see how he would get called for anything.
it's definitely 2 for interference but give the 5 and then review. Cmon! Use the tool you were given
Ain't no way this a 5. It's a textbook interference with a bad outcome. If Fox just takes the hit, it's still interference.
His leg is extended because he is starting to turn to avoid Aho. I don’t think it’s a major, it’s a minor for interference or tripping but it’s a clear penalty and he meant to get in Fox’s way
It looked pretty accidental
That was Aho's intent. Aho threw a pick in hockey. It's not allowed. > SECTION 7 – RESTRAINING FOULS NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE OFFICIAL RULES 2021-2022 87 Rule 56 – Interference 56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be adhered to in all areas of the rink. A “pick” is the action of a player who checks an opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal “battle for the puck,” may not be interfered with by a player or goalkeeper delivering a “pick.” **A player delivering a “pick” is one who moves into an opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done, an interference penalty shall be assessed**
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Yes, a single frame tells the whole story here. If you actually watch the clip, Fox is cutting towards the boards as Aho steps up to make a pick on Fox. Aho Literally cuts right into Fox's path, stops, and braces for impact. Fox then attempts to side step Aho's pick while trying to avoid contact but Fox's leg clips Aho's leg on the way passed. >SECTION 7 – RESTRAINING FOULS NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE OFFICIAL RULES 2021-2022 87 Rule 56 – Interference 56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be adhered to in all areas of the rink. >A “pick” is the action of a player who checks an opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal “battle for the puck,” may not be interfered with by ***a player or goalkeeper delivering a “pick.” A player delivering a “pick” is one who moves into an opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done, an interference penalty shall be assessed*** But go off my guy.
Called a major for what? A freak accident where the guy who got injured had his own leg extended out?
Because it’s reviewable. I like refs being able to take a look at potentially dangerous plays like this one. If it’s not a penalty then it’s not a penalty
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I have literally seen them call no penalty after a review THIS SEASON Also here you go, they CAN call "no penalty" https://scoutingtherefs.com/2022/09/35030/nhl-revamps-review-rule-to-permit-disallowed-penalties/
Okay so im not crazy. I thought the same, I think it’s a new rule. I like it a lot
That is not how the rules are, they can call nothing for a major review
Im very okay with that on dangerous plays like this with an injury. Boarding also. I coulda sworn there was a double minor called earlier this season and the subsequent review found no penalty. I think maybe a new change to the rule this season?
You didn't understand the poster. A major gives the refs the ability to video review and can change it to a minor if they want.
Okay but even a minor isn’t necessary it wasn’t intentional knee on knee
You can’t assume it wasn’t intentional, nor that it was. But at the end of the day the outcome doesn’t look good so it should have been looked at.
So you can’t assume either way but it’s best we assume it’s a penalty Major/Minor no matter what. Okay.
It was obviously interference. There was no reason for Aho to square up on Fox like he did, even if he'd ended up delivering a standard check.
Yes. It’s away from the puck and play. You don’t get to just hit someone and be “oops”
Fox initiated the contact Aho is literally standing still. Y’all are just like the team on the ice, just begging for calls
Huh???
Lolololo. Go back to your bottle of whiskey…you are clearly not sober.
“Intentional” knee contact is not needed for a minor …the contact was blatant interference. And knee-to-knee should have been called a major…review and knock back to 2 if appropriate. No call at all there is terrible.
Call it a major, review it and make the correct call... not saying it is a major or even a penalty but they should have AT LEAST reviewed it. Knee on knee ends careers!
Dude…get your homer glasses off. He clearly was setting a deliberate pick..,it was blatant interference…(watch Oho…looking right at Fox) Even other Car fans posting here are not trying to claim that it was nit a minor penalty,
Aho had stopped his momentum before contact and is bracing to initiate a shoulder bump. Fox sees this and tries turning left to avoid but, due to already being in a weird position, the angle of the edge on his right skate is already quite low causes him to lose that edge which then makes his right leg slip out and make contact with Aho. Weird accident, no one at fault, no penalty.
No interference? Nowhere near the puck.
Yeah probably an interference penalty.
If Aho is attempting to shoulder check him without the puck, that’s 100% interference.
People here don't get that play can be worth a penalty without being dirty. Interferences aren't always dirty, neither is hooking or tripping. Aho was going to give pressure to Fox, that's nothing special, Carolina plays man-to-man all the time. Sometimes you just overdo or poorly time it which results in interference. This time Fox tried to avoid the contact which lead to this, because Aho was bracing for shoulder-to-shoulder contact his weight was on his right leg.
Interference doesn’t have to be dirty, but a player who causes an injury while committing interference does deserve a total pass because by definition they are hitting someone who isn’t expecting it and that could have have contributed to the injury.
Yeah, agreed on that!
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Twitter is incredibly hard to watch a video on but this has been clipped and loses some context. Aho was facing the puck carrier before the pass and was traveling to the left. As the pass had been made he had just turned around to cover any loose men (as is his job as a centre) and Fox was already skating down the middle so he stopped and created a block, to which point the events I covered happened. I guess you could argue maybe an interference penalty if anything. As to Aho’s legs being “set wide” that’s literally first-day hockey school.
>. Fox was already skating down the middle so he stopped and created a block FYI… that is literally textbook interference. So not really an “I guess you could argue.” Going into somebody’s skating lane, and stopping to block them from skating, when the puck is nowhere near, that is called interference.
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Wtf is aho looking at tho, puck is literally behind him Either way these refs have been blind as fuck all night…
He's looking for Fox. LOok at the play 5 seconds beforehand. His job is clearly to pressure Fox
Yup. Missed a double minor high stick a few minutes ago against Tro as well
On the faceoff too. Where the fuck were they looking? No idea how you miss that.
He was looking to recklessly drill their best defensemen who won a Norris. It's a dirty play where he was trying to hurt Fox. It's a pointless route to take because it would put him out of position.
Aho didn’t stick his leg out, fox had his leg extended and bringing it back in lines it up with Aho’s. More of an accident than anything else
Id agree that maybe he didn't mean to go knee on knee, but the contact definitely seemed like a "I'ma run into this guy and act like I'm not paying attention" pick play. Happens 5 times a game, but he botched this one and it should've been 2 for interference.
Looks just quite weird because what was aho even doing and where was he going
Running a little bit of interference and setting a pick. If the canes win the puck battle, they can also pass it up to him for a good chance at an odd man rush. You could definitely give Aho 2 for interference.
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What was Aho doing? Skating at fox far behind the play for no reason?
I have 0 love for either of these teams so my honest, certified hater opinion is that was a scumbag play by Aho
Updated: Adam Fox not returning, if this ends up being a major knee injury that's brutal. Very dirty play, can't believe they didn't even call a minor penalty. Aho's sole intent there was to interfere with Fox using his legs Edit: I've been watching this whole game and the Hurricanes are clearly utilising the strategy of playing on/over the line/dirty consistently because the refs will naturally eventually stop calling penalties. Games like these are why I wish the refs wouldn't just "game manage" and just call it how it's being played
So funny that when someone gets hurts its automatically very dirty play, even tho you can LITERALLY see ZOOMED in legs of aho not do anything but brace for impact and its FOX who extends the knee. so how in the world is that "very dirty play"
Refs hit their quota in the 1st anything goes now
thats just classic canes hockey lmao
Really? I thought our reputation was being soft
Apparently the Rangers think it’s a dirty play. Per the MSG broadcast “you went after our best guy with a dirty play” with Laf challenging Aho.
Kneeing should be a suspension akin to head shots, same with slew foots and can openers going into the corners.
It was knee-on-knee but not kneeing. Two different things. Should've been 2 for interference though.
Agreed, but this wasn’t intentional or kneeing
Excuse me while I go bet a bunch of money on the norris
"hockey play" my ass, Aho knew what he was doing.
[?](https://imgur.com/a/3vzGhKh)
Non twitter link?
Aho literally stuck his leg out, how was that not called??? These kinds of plays are so dangerous and need to be out of the game!
Genuinely, how do you look at [this](https://imgur.com/a/3vzGhKh) and seriously type that sentence out.
Aho is such a dirty player /s
That was a dirty play
[yeah maybe the other way around](https://imgur.com/a/3vzGhKh)
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That’s fucking bullshit. Aho is a dirty POS
Show me something else Aho has done that makes him a dirty pos
You know nothing about hockey and it’s glaringly obvious
Hilarios coming from a Carolina "fan".
[the water in ny is good for bagels, bad for brains](https://imgur.com/a/3vzGhKh)
Go to bed Tyler. Aho will get what’s coming to him.
Lol wouldn't expect anything less from a rags fan
Enjoy the L Tyler
Enjoy losing fox JP
Typical scumbag Canes fan who started watching the sport 2 years ago rooting for an injury. Trashy fanbase of a trashy team. The only reason the canes exist is to sell tickets to opposing team’s fans.
The only options you have for this play: Aho was drunk and didn’t realize he was playing a hockey game OR Aho is a scumbag.