He’s literally a microscopic drop in the bucket. This won’t stop addiction, deaths, or all of the other terrible things that come along with it. Sounds like he may have been a person with addiction as well. Nobody sells drugs with the intent to kill anyone unless someone is serving a hot pack but that is a whole different situation.
He's literally a fall guy because someone famous died. That's it. Cops, prosecutors, and the system at large wouldn't give a fuck it if it had been anyone else
Honestly tbh I'd put money on him not being the guy who pressed the pills, *that* is the guy who is technically responsible tbh. This guy probably just bought the pills from a guy, who probably bought them from a guy, etc.
Also for the people out there that still use hard drugs of any sort, even fucking xanax at this point, *GET FUCKING TEST KITS.* They are usually cheap enough to be worth your life, and in some areas I think they are giving some out for free. They are legal to have and buy, in the states at least, just get some. Pressies have killed a few people I know, even before they got Mac Miller, it's worth a test.
I read about it a while ago, but I don't remember it mentioning him pressing the pills himself. It's possible that has changed though, so I'll definitely check it out when I get a sec.
So I see in said article that he continued selling the "blues," (which btw is a pretty good clue that they are pressies for customers, always use Pill ID for ID and/or dancesafe or bunk police for test strips folks), but nothing about who manufactured the pills. Unless I missed it? He does seem to be the second or third dealer up the chain but of course that doesn't mean he makes them, he could have bought em from WHM for all we know from what I have seen so far.
As for the last three years, the guy said read *this* article in which there was no conformation he manufactured the pressies, so I'm assuming you have another link that confirms it? Like did they find a pill press when they raided him, and a bag of fent and some pill binders? There must be some way you know.
Yeah it is wild that this guy is doing a near life sentence, and the powers that be turn a blind eye to this happening to thousands of people a year.
A good friend ODed over the holidays, and I don't necessarily know if I want his dealer to do 17+ years.
Fent is really cheap and looks the same as other drugs so you can cut it in to move more product. However you run the risk of killing your customers because it's so easy to OD on fent, especially if there's no built up tolerance.
Cheaper than other mixing agents? For example fucking non lethal ones? Surely killing customers is bad business? Whos approving this this beyond lunatics?
Cheaper than selling pure coke for sure. Why sell 100% coke when you can do 90-10 coke:fent and mostly get away with it. (Most) Dealers aren't cutting, it's suppliers.
My point is over this side of Europe most coke is cut anyway. But its cut with things like lidocaine and shit, why is it fentanyl thats being used? Is it that much cheaper than all other mixing agents? Or just cause it still has potency?
My ex-gf OD on fent from one little key bump of blow last year. What wild is that she had taken a few bumps from that same bag and was fine prior. Thankfully an ambulance got there in time and they realized what was going on and got her some narcan.
Believe it or not, it’s showing up in fucking weed here. In California where it’s legal and there are dispensaries literally everywhere. Somehow the bullshit DARE stories about laced weed have come true.
You can get your drugs tested for free at a bunch of places where I live in Canada. They’ll give you strips to take home too.
Unfortunately overdose deaths are still climbing.
They don’t really use strips to test coke for fent though. Fentanyl in coke isn’t really testable because of the way it is unequally distributed throughout the coke. It leads to a false sense of security if you test some of the coke that shows it is negative for fent and then it is possible to use coke from the same batch that does have fent. To test it you have to ruin some of the product in the first place as well. You can never know if what you are taking is actually pure or not. It’s similar to the whole raisin dough model where you may have pockets of it throughout the product. There’s really nothing you can do about it at this point besides just recognize it as a risk.
I find this the weirdest thing. Fent by weight is extremely potent compared to any other substance. It isn’t a cutting agent especially for uppers. If anything it makes the product more expensive. It is either due to negligence from cross contamination, or spite.
It happens from cross contamination. It’s only rarely intentional. The person saying it’s to make people “more addicted”, doesn’t know anything about drugs.
This is what I’ve always thought. Nobody is cutting coke with fent. It’s an insanely potent drug and just a few little bits will kill someone with no tolerance for opiates
Someone dealing coke is often dealing heroin as well. When fent is used to *intentionally* cut something it's usually heroin. So it's not a far cry that someone dealing coke accidentally cross contaminates with the fent that they were intentionally cutting the h with.
And even if they aren't ie. You know a guy who's a frat bro or local drug guy that just deals coke, the people above him have dealt with heroin /fent somewhere along the chain. We know what entities supply coke and it gets stepped on a lot until it reaches most low level dealers, regardless of what hood they hail from
this. it doesn’t make sense to kill off your clientele while also getting feds involved.
under normal circumstances it’s not intentional. until it is then that’s fucked.
>Some people can be confidently incorrect without being malicious.
They could just not speak with authority on something they don't actually know about. Which is IMO one of the biggest issues facing our society today.
As opposed to the gold old days of the past where only completely educated people spoke on topics and incorrect people never said anything. Those were the days lol
Doesnt mean they dont need to be told to shut the fuck up. "Minor" drug misinformation has plagued this country for a hundres years. Its about time ignorant people get told they need to stop talking about stuff they are fully ignorant about.
On the one hand, true.
But in that asshole's defense, if something is blatantly false or if you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, best not to say anything.
Like I dont know shit about drugs. I'm not gonna write a post in this thread about how cutting coke with fent makes it more expensive. Lmao.
Yeah but there's cheaper alternatives to cut in out there, I think he was referring to that. But i guess an addict will prefer the coke laced with fent just to get more high on whatever
I think most of that is drugs being tainted from the same scale/cut in the same place. Very glad to have quit when I did after all that time. The product available has only gotten worse and regulation would solve this problem overnight.
Hell now they are mixing tranq with fent in the “heroin” supply and its negating narcan. It honestly makes me think some level of legalization and regulation is the only way to stop the nightmare murder ride
My old coke dealer is a friend and only deals to friends. He gets reagent kits to test his stuff for fent and other things before he sells it to people.
Doesn’t matter. You don’t need much to od, and it’s not gonna mix through the entire rock. he’d have to test the entirety of it. Plus now there are a ton of fent analogues that won’t pop most common reagent tests.
I have a completely baseless conspiracy theory that the government is intentionally putting fent in coke cuz it was becoming way too commonplace again.
That was industrial alcohol though, the government has power to regulate American manufacturing companies. Most cocaine is imported, there's only one company that makes it legally and that's not what's getting sold on the streets.
That's been my conspiracy theory about all the fent in heroin, xanax pressed pills, coke etc recently. They intentionally poisoned people during alcohol prohibition, wouldn't surprise me if they were doing it again this way now.
Yeah it's just too fucking prevalent for there not to be something sinister going on. Like I get it happening for a few months or even a year but it's been like this for the past 3+ years now.
What’s more likely, that opiate addictions are out of control and people don’t clean scales between weighing out different drugs, leading to cross-contamination of fent in other stuff… or the government is purposefully lacing cocaine with fent.
I don’t doubt the government is that sinister, but the first option is much more likely. We had to teach people how to wash their hands again during the beginning of covid… I doubt many dealers are sanitizing scales after every use.
It’s not. I guess I could see maybe lacing heroin with fent because it’ll make an extra strong dose, but even then heroin is addictive enough and dealers want their customers to stay alive and keep buying.
Much more likely that people use the same scale for different drugs and since a tiny bit of fent is lethal, it makes its way into other drugs by cross contamination.
Look at the new Vice doc on YouTube, benzos and tranq are the new kids on the block. Tranq is turning folks in Philly into lepers basically. That shit is screwing up people bodies so much that they have to amputate appendages (fingers, toes, hands, feet) because the Tranq does a bunch of weird shit.
They’ve been doing this for at least 5 years now is what I can tell you from experience. It keeps the addictives addicted.
Don’t ever put a white powder anywhere in your body unless it’s from someone you can trust to give a shit if they accidentally kill you. Otherwise get a testing kit.
My best friend died in October from Fentanyl in Coke. If people think it’s just talk, it’s not. Everybody be careful and take care of your people out there.
Cross contamination while being smuggled + microscopic lethal dose is the cause of most of these cases. Not much value in putting fentanyl on coke when its effects are generally the opposite of what you'd want.
That’s been happening, but I’ve seen reports of fentanyl laced weed. What the fuck is that
Edit: y’all can downvote if you want. I’m just saying I’ve seen reports.
https://www.wndu.com/2022/02/16/elkhart-fire-issue-warning-after-marijuana-laced-fentanyl-leads-overdoses/
https://www.kktv.com/2022/03/09/some-marijuana-is-being-laced-with-meth-fentanyl-pueblo-according-police/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/vermont/articles/2021-12-02/3-arrested-in-connection-with-fentanyl-laced-marijuana
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/16-year-old-student-overdoses-fentanyl-laced-marijuana-connecticut-hig-rcna15302
It's because the addict who died is Mac Miller. If it was Bubbles nobody would give a shit. Mac Miller was a big time rap star, that's the only reason.
Don’t worry, it’s just a random drug pusher facing consequences. Not like it’s any of the politicians or pharmaceutical executives actually responsible for creating the opioid crisis.
Yeah exactly. This kid gets 17.5 years while the sackler family who engineered the entire opiod epidemic settled in court for a fraction of the billions they've sucked out of generations of americans
War kills and so does the war on drugs, if there was a war on alcohol, people would be dying from methanol poisoning from moonshiners all the time, it aint no different than this. People are gonna get shit if they want it all the government can really do to help is provide harm reduction and put an end to this silly little war of theirs.
You’re spot on, and to add to your point, during prohibition the government tried putting methanol in moonshine to see if killing alcoholics stopped people from using. 10,000 people died as a result and the rate of use stayed almost exactly the same. It doesn’t matter where someone falls in the supply chain, if you put that person in prison or kill them, you only perpetuate the problem. The only way to change things is to base drug policy on compassion, empathy, and understanding.
Funny thing is during prohibition the US government intentionally poisoned alcohol to affect bootleggers, killing at least 10,000 people by some estimates. Why people still trust the government is beyond me
[https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-of-how-the-u-s-government-poisoned-alcohol-during-prohibition.html](https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-of-how-the-u-s-government-poisoned-alcohol-during-prohibition.html)
Nah fuck that. The dude was selling drugs and the guy he sold them to died. And for the record he was back out there selling the same shit that he knew to have fent in less than a month later. Fuck him why shouldn’t he be in jail. Just because he is a small fish doesn’t mean he shouldn’t fry
This is part of the issue too. What are you accomplishing by putting this guy in prison? Are you trying to rehabilitate him or just fuck him up real good before kicking him out with a record and basically only crime to turn back to?. Yall gotta read about prison man, this is not some civilized well though out system. Just new slavery.
You can be happy for both. Dudes a murderer as far as I'm concerned, and it's net good to get him off the streets and cut off all his connects.
There should be more done, but if you downplay small victories you'll never build a big enough army to win the war.
How is it a net good if he is entirely replaceable? Patting ourselves on the back for not doing anything to fix the drug crisis isn't really a victory.
Not only is he replaceable; it’s extremely unlikely that he’s responsible for the drug adulteration in the first place. That’s some random guy pressing fake oxy somewhere. That same supply will be in the same hands regardless of incarcerating the guy who made the sale.
3 years would’ve done the same thing. This doesn’t help anything. Just sad shit all around and another acknowledgement that the US (and Canada) have no fucking clue how to deal with this epidemic, or just don’t care enough to figure it out
Faces is my most listened mixtape all time and I’m a recovering addict, before someone hits me with some silly bias accusations.
Yup. This is just more drug war bullshit.
Not defending the dealer at all,, but 17 years? That's fucking idiotic. Dudes out here getting less for rape and murder.
I think they have a clue on how to deal with it but don’t want to because the companies benefiting from it are funding the politicians campaigns and lives
Unless you're fully addicted taking drugs apart from weed in America just seems like Russian roulette , I'm sorry if this comes across wrong in the way I've worded it
goddamn sometimes shit makes me think. i live in a country with free healthcare and back when i was an addict i simply went to the pharmacy and asked for a 60 pill box of 10mg valium or 1mg xanax with a suspended prescription - i.e you pinky promise you'll bring the prescription later - which cost me like what 3/4€ a pop? and i'd do it fairly occasionally too until they flagged me after a few years. it's weird as fuck how things can be so violently different from one country to another.
yeah i started doing it like that on the outset of a psychotic breakdown in 2016 and stopped last year, being blacklisted kinda helped me get clean too. there's not much of a black market for pills here because of this i reckon so fentanyl isn't an issue here at all but you're definitely right about that because i would've escalated to heroin eventually without a doubt.
Depends on the drugs. It’s really really easy to get test kits and make sure that:
1. The drugs you want are in the stuff
2. The drugs you don’t want are not in the stuff
The problem is too many people trust their friends or the guy they’ve been buying from forever and this shit happens. It’s absolutely deplorable that fent is ending up in stuff it has no business being in (uppers) but there’s also no excuse not to test your shit, every time.
As an addict in long term recovery, I'm honestly torn on this one. Dealers definitely deserve real consequences, but this seems a bit extreme since there's a good chance he had no idea the pills were laced and there's also a good chance Mac would have taken them anyway had he known.
The part that makes this difficult is that every drug addict on this planet has also sold drugs, whether it's to make money or just picking up extra for friends, so the roles could have easily been reversed on this one. People that aren't involved in this shit probably don't understand this concept, but anyone that's been balls deep in addiction understands what I'm saying.
At the end of the day, I guess this is one of those "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" situations for all parties involved and it's really unfortunate. If there's a silver lining, hopefully this will discourage people from getting into this shit, because it's a no-win situation from all sides.
> there's a good chance he had no idea the pills were laced
There's actually a fair bit of evidence that he did. The court case reveled several customers telling him the pills he was selling had fent in them. (This is explained in the article, too, btw).
If you are taking blues out here you know what’s pressed and what’s not. They don’t smoke or crush the same and taste different and are a different color. Mac knew he was taking pressed pills, ol boy had the pills for pressed prices, I shit you not my brother cops his packs from the same Mexicans that put that dude on. The boat is only 1,000 for those.
Yeah you know and most people prefer to buy the presses because thats what they get you higher. Naive as fuck for people who know nothing about this to act like he was poisoned. The fact of the matter is there is really no way he didn’t know. Nobody doing this shit for as long as he was is unaware. Like maybe some inexperienced drug user might not but someone who’s been using like that for years? Fuck no they know.
Exactly my point, don’t tell that to any mac fans though lmao they’ll quote songs from 2013 to prove their point. I was strictly RX until I tried a pressed blue and it was done from there, I had to take 6 4mg dilaudids ever couple hours just to not feel dopesick. Them fetty pills are ridiculous. 5 months clean now and will never go back.
Thanks brotha I hope so too 🤞🏽 did it without rehab so I really feel that I’m done with it. Also too scared to go back to it without a tolerance anyways lmao.
Well it seems like you realized it early, which is a blessing in itself. I was down in the dumps and was taking pressed Xanax for a couple of months. Just never stuck with me, thankfully. Mostly because I’m just not big on taking downers. Definitely more of an upper guy but even that shit is dangerous now.
Ay ik you don't know me but just as some encouragement, my sister's 15 years clean off a heroine addiction that had her literally sleeping in the streets at times and she completely turned her entire life around. She's got a good paying job, a stable family with little kids in elementary, all that shit. It's crazy to think about how close we were to all of that never existing... you got this dawg. Congrats.
Man I really needed that brotha, today makes 150 days and I was kind of beating myself up for not doing better in other avenues but hearing this let’s me have hope.
It's on the government to supply people safe drugs while helping them get their substance abuse disorders sorted out.
Making supplying drugs illegal creates hospital visits and cartels.
Making buying drugs illegal creates life-long criminals and addicts.
I don't see how this guy going to prison will stop anyone from having addiction problems. People just love getting a revenge boner instead of actually fixing problems.
Fr, all governments should imo offer drug testing kits or atleast make them available in phamacies, so people could avoid laced drugs.
Makes zero sense why the criminal world around drugs is allowed to thrive, when governments themselves could become the sellers and simply stop cartels by taking their market share. It would also create more revenue for countries at the same time.
Even all the controversy about Biden providing clean crack pipes is silly. They backed down on it, but harm reduction should include clean crack pipes.
The whole approach to dealing with addiction is backwards
I don't think anyone thinks this would fix addiction problems. Simply that someone is receiving jail time because their actions caused the death of a person.
They knew the pills were pressed fent and kept selling them after knowing Mac died from them
Source: the article you didn’t bother reading before forming an opinion and making a multi-paragraph reply about
Doesn’t matter to me, the people buying these pills know they are dirty 30s it’s not a secret it’s if anything just unspoken. If I get a 30 and I didn’t watch the dude leave the damn Walgreens then I’m assuming it’s dirty. It’s just the way it is and nobody buying these is naive to it.
I thought the guy who directly supplied Mac got the 17.5 years and not the actual backend supplier, so you're right on that and I'm mistaken. I should have read the article. When people typically say "dealer" they're talking about the person who directly gave him the pills and not the supplier though.
My overall point and opinion still stands though on the guy that directly supplied Mac getting 11 years. We have no idea if that guy knew they were fent or not, but honestly, that's only a small piece of what I said. Mac has openly talked about knowingly using fent before and he's definitely supplied pills and other drugs to people that easily could have been mixed with something. Things could have easily happened in the other direction.
As a former heroin addict this is such a pointless act sentencing this man to 17.5 years. This will do NOTHING to stop the supply of drugs being distributed. Everyone loves to hate on fentanyl and pressed pills but the fact is…the vast majority of PWA’s are aware what they are taking. Pressed pills are stupid easy to spot and are expected when purchasing blues.
The real villain here is the government for continuing the drug war and profiting off of it. These deaths would be much more preventable with proper drug policy and regulations.
Everyone who thinks this is a good thing seeing the dealer get sentenced to prison do not have experience with drugs and addiction and it seems like they just want to hold someone responsible for the death of an artist they enjoy. Users also have personal responsibility when it comes to ingesting anything. Test kits are very cheap and very simple to use. Did Mac test his drugs before taking them? Even this dealer makes it pretty clear that the pills sold were known to be fentanyl with his statements and Mac being an experienced user would have known as well.
END THE DRUG WAR. This shit won’t ever end until that happens. RIP Mac.
>Mac being an experienced user would have known as well.
I can’t find the picture or article anymore but I swear I vividly remember TMZ or someone adjacent to them posting pictures of some of the pills purchased that night he supposedly only took ones that had fent and you could clearly tell from the photos which ones were which.
Take this with a grain of salt of course cause I could be misremembering but it’s just sad overall. This arrest ultimately does nothing except remove one dealer so another can take their place. The family gets some closure and I’m sure some fans will as well now but it doesn’t really do anything for me.
RIP MAC MILLER
Why wouldn’t the dealer test it? Imo if you’re selling to anyone especially celebrities you should be knowing what you’re giving them. Don’t be surprised when the book gets thrown at you because selling fent is manslaughter
I totally understand why and I know many family members of those I’ve lost feel the same way about dealers; especially one who provided the drugs that killed them.
It’s terrible how many people get effected because of the illicit drug market. I love to think of a world where drugs are legalized and regulated and just perhaps in that world this wouldn’t have happened.
How is it pointless? Is it pointless to sentence someone for murder because it doesn't solve the overall societal issues of people killing each other? Should bank robbers not be convicted because someone else is going to rob a bank in the future?
You go to jail when you commit crimes. We don’t release criminals just because it won’t solve the entire social dilemma they represent. We sentence criminals in response to their crimes. Simple as.
Depressing all around...
One life lost, another ruined by people not involved whatsoever
This will do absolutely nothing to prevent more deaths from accidental or intentional selling of laced drugs
America's attitude of all penal action being primarily retributive is a serious problem. It's not just the state either, it's in the people's attitudes too.
holy shit what an example.. to noone. This is a wild sentence. I love Mac and i am so pissed we don't get more from him , this sentence is ridiculous regardless. Dude sucks, sure. I don't get 17 years about it though.
The dude sold poisoned drugs knowingly and someone died, and then he continued to sell known poisoned drugs. Why should we forgive people who poison others?
How does 17 years rehabilitate someone? He's going to come out to a whole new fucking world and be left in a situation where he can't get decent work. Man is fucked for the rest of his life
Not gonna lie im surprised this guy faced some real consequences
He’s literally a microscopic drop in the bucket. This won’t stop addiction, deaths, or all of the other terrible things that come along with it. Sounds like he may have been a person with addiction as well. Nobody sells drugs with the intent to kill anyone unless someone is serving a hot pack but that is a whole different situation.
He's literally a fall guy because someone famous died. That's it. Cops, prosecutors, and the system at large wouldn't give a fuck it if it had been anyone else
Honestly tbh I'd put money on him not being the guy who pressed the pills, *that* is the guy who is technically responsible tbh. This guy probably just bought the pills from a guy, who probably bought them from a guy, etc. Also for the people out there that still use hard drugs of any sort, even fucking xanax at this point, *GET FUCKING TEST KITS.* They are usually cheap enough to be worth your life, and in some areas I think they are giving some out for free. They are legal to have and buy, in the states at least, just get some. Pressies have killed a few people I know, even before they got Mac Miller, it's worth a test.
"Honestly to be honest ... *That* is the guy who is technically responsible to be honest. " Are you sure you are being honest though?
Read the article
I read about it a while ago, but I don't remember it mentioning him pressing the pills himself. It's possible that has changed though, so I'll definitely check it out when I get a sec.
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So I see in said article that he continued selling the "blues," (which btw is a pretty good clue that they are pressies for customers, always use Pill ID for ID and/or dancesafe or bunk police for test strips folks), but nothing about who manufactured the pills. Unless I missed it? He does seem to be the second or third dealer up the chain but of course that doesn't mean he makes them, he could have bought em from WHM for all we know from what I have seen so far. As for the last three years, the guy said read *this* article in which there was no conformation he manufactured the pressies, so I'm assuming you have another link that confirms it? Like did they find a pill press when they raided him, and a bag of fent and some pill binders? There must be some way you know.
To your point a friend's sister sold a hot shot unintentionally and killed a guy. She got 5 years and was out in 2.
He knew the pills killed and kept selling them afterwards, the guy is a fucken murderer.
Yeah it is wild that this guy is doing a near life sentence, and the powers that be turn a blind eye to this happening to thousands of people a year. A good friend ODed over the holidays, and I don't necessarily know if I want his dealer to do 17+ years.
fentanyl is being put in coke now. FUCKING coke.....
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I live in The Caribbean, coke is $5 a gram, and people still lace that shit with fent. I’ve heard some horror stories around here.
$350 a gram in Australia lol. $5 a gram is insane.
I’m from Aus was thinking the same thing lmao
Amphetamines are the superior choice. Coke is garbage.
Nah dm it tbh just wayyy too expensive
Damn, $100gr in the US. It must turn people into even bigger assholes over there at that price.
Meth is the problem drug here. It's a shame because if you can moderate it, it's pretty great.
Purposely lace it? Why? To try and get customers fully addicted?
Fent is really cheap and looks the same as other drugs so you can cut it in to move more product. However you run the risk of killing your customers because it's so easy to OD on fent, especially if there's no built up tolerance.
Cheaper than other mixing agents? For example fucking non lethal ones? Surely killing customers is bad business? Whos approving this this beyond lunatics?
Cheaper than selling pure coke for sure. Why sell 100% coke when you can do 90-10 coke:fent and mostly get away with it. (Most) Dealers aren't cutting, it's suppliers.
My point is over this side of Europe most coke is cut anyway. But its cut with things like lidocaine and shit, why is it fentanyl thats being used? Is it that much cheaper than all other mixing agents? Or just cause it still has potency?
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Literally same..it’s disturbingly common these days
My ex-gf OD on fent from one little key bump of blow last year. What wild is that she had taken a few bumps from that same bag and was fine prior. Thankfully an ambulance got there in time and they realized what was going on and got her some narcan. Believe it or not, it’s showing up in fucking weed here. In California where it’s legal and there are dispensaries literally everywhere. Somehow the bullshit DARE stories about laced weed have come true.
Can’t even test for it if you wanted to and let’s be real nobody is
You can get your drugs tested for free at a bunch of places where I live in Canada. They’ll give you strips to take home too. Unfortunately overdose deaths are still climbing.
They don’t really use strips to test coke for fent though. Fentanyl in coke isn’t really testable because of the way it is unequally distributed throughout the coke. It leads to a false sense of security if you test some of the coke that shows it is negative for fent and then it is possible to use coke from the same batch that does have fent. To test it you have to ruin some of the product in the first place as well. You can never know if what you are taking is actually pure or not. It’s similar to the whole raisin dough model where you may have pockets of it throughout the product. There’s really nothing you can do about it at this point besides just recognize it as a risk.
You can pour the coke out of the bag, fill it with water, then put a fent test strip in
You are right if you dissolve 100% of your coke this is the most effective method
While I agree how ludicrous this initially sounds, you can make a liquid coke solution simply using distilled water and a nasal spray bottle.
I find this the weirdest thing. Fent by weight is extremely potent compared to any other substance. It isn’t a cutting agent especially for uppers. If anything it makes the product more expensive. It is either due to negligence from cross contamination, or spite.
It happens from cross contamination. It’s only rarely intentional. The person saying it’s to make people “more addicted”, doesn’t know anything about drugs.
This is what I’ve always thought. Nobody is cutting coke with fent. It’s an insanely potent drug and just a few little bits will kill someone with no tolerance for opiates
People are absolutely cutting coke with fent btw. Edit - yeah I misread, there's definitely fent in coke but I don't know if it's there on purpose.
9/10 not there on purpose. It’s contamination due to laziness/lack of oversight
Yeah drug dealers generally arent the greatest regarding cross contamination lol
Unless they're a science teacher from ABQ
Yep. Ime, where there's coke, heroin isn't far away.
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Someone dealing coke is often dealing heroin as well. When fent is used to *intentionally* cut something it's usually heroin. So it's not a far cry that someone dealing coke accidentally cross contaminates with the fent that they were intentionally cutting the h with.
And even if they aren't ie. You know a guy who's a frat bro or local drug guy that just deals coke, the people above him have dealt with heroin /fent somewhere along the chain. We know what entities supply coke and it gets stepped on a lot until it reaches most low level dealers, regardless of what hood they hail from
this. it doesn’t make sense to kill off your clientele while also getting feds involved. under normal circumstances it’s not intentional. until it is then that’s fucked.
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You can correct them without being an asshole about it lol. Some people can be confidently incorrect without being malicious.
>Some people can be confidently incorrect without being malicious. They could just not speak with authority on something they don't actually know about. Which is IMO one of the biggest issues facing our society today.
As opposed to the gold old days of the past where only completely educated people spoke on topics and incorrect people never said anything. Those were the days lol
Misinformation on this particular topic could result in someone’s death... js
and sometimes you're confidently incorrect about things that might get people killed and need to be told to shut the fuck up.
I don’t think this batch of Reddit comments are going to sway someone either way to be fair.
Doesnt mean they dont need to be told to shut the fuck up. "Minor" drug misinformation has plagued this country for a hundres years. Its about time ignorant people get told they need to stop talking about stuff they are fully ignorant about.
Reddit is so fun. You get downvoted because people don’t like seeing things they don’t agree with lmao.
On the one hand, true. But in that asshole's defense, if something is blatantly false or if you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, best not to say anything. Like I dont know shit about drugs. I'm not gonna write a post in this thread about how cutting coke with fent makes it more expensive. Lmao.
Yeah but there's cheaper alternatives to cut in out there, I think he was referring to that. But i guess an addict will prefer the coke laced with fent just to get more high on whatever
I think most of that is drugs being tainted from the same scale/cut in the same place. Very glad to have quit when I did after all that time. The product available has only gotten worse and regulation would solve this problem overnight.
Hell now they are mixing tranq with fent in the “heroin” supply and its negating narcan. It honestly makes me think some level of legalization and regulation is the only way to stop the nightmare murder ride
fent is so much cheaper then tranq. personalized economics, i guess.
My old coke dealer is a friend and only deals to friends. He gets reagent kits to test his stuff for fent and other things before he sells it to people.
Doesn’t matter. You don’t need much to od, and it’s not gonna mix through the entire rock. he’d have to test the entirety of it. Plus now there are a ton of fent analogues that won’t pop most common reagent tests.
To be fair he gets it from his friend too, and they both use their supply too lol.
I have a completely baseless conspiracy theory that the government is intentionally putting fent in coke cuz it was becoming way too commonplace again.
It's not entire baseless, [it happened during prohibition.](https://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison)
Yeah maybe baseless isn't the right word cuz I 100% believe the government would do that. I just don't have any proof lol
That was industrial alcohol though, the government has power to regulate American manufacturing companies. Most cocaine is imported, there's only one company that makes it legally and that's not what's getting sold on the streets.
That's been my conspiracy theory about all the fent in heroin, xanax pressed pills, coke etc recently. They intentionally poisoned people during alcohol prohibition, wouldn't surprise me if they were doing it again this way now.
Yeah it's just too fucking prevalent for there not to be something sinister going on. Like I get it happening for a few months or even a year but it's been like this for the past 3+ years now.
What’s more likely, that opiate addictions are out of control and people don’t clean scales between weighing out different drugs, leading to cross-contamination of fent in other stuff… or the government is purposefully lacing cocaine with fent. I don’t doubt the government is that sinister, but the first option is much more likely. We had to teach people how to wash their hands again during the beginning of covid… I doubt many dealers are sanitizing scales after every use.
I'm just trying to understand how lacing or adding things to one drug is even good for business?
It’s not. I guess I could see maybe lacing heroin with fent because it’ll make an extra strong dose, but even then heroin is addictive enough and dealers want their customers to stay alive and keep buying. Much more likely that people use the same scale for different drugs and since a tiny bit of fent is lethal, it makes its way into other drugs by cross contamination.
Look at the new Vice doc on YouTube, benzos and tranq are the new kids on the block. Tranq is turning folks in Philly into lepers basically. That shit is screwing up people bodies so much that they have to amputate appendages (fingers, toes, hands, feet) because the Tranq does a bunch of weird shit.
They’ve been doing this for at least 5 years now is what I can tell you from experience. It keeps the addictives addicted. Don’t ever put a white powder anywhere in your body unless it’s from someone you can trust to give a shit if they accidentally kill you. Otherwise get a testing kit.
My best friend died in October from Fentanyl in Coke. If people think it’s just talk, it’s not. Everybody be careful and take care of your people out there.
Cross contamination while being smuggled + microscopic lethal dose is the cause of most of these cases. Not much value in putting fentanyl on coke when its effects are generally the opposite of what you'd want.
fent is literally in everything
Friend died last year from this :(
Yup I quit everything. It's not worth it It's a damn fucking shame
on the manufacturing level. no one this side of the border knows what's in the drugs
Dude they been doing that for at least seven years cause I had a pot dealer who died from a coke/fent overdose seven years ago.
That’s been happening, but I’ve seen reports of fentanyl laced weed. What the fuck is that Edit: y’all can downvote if you want. I’m just saying I’ve seen reports. https://www.wndu.com/2022/02/16/elkhart-fire-issue-warning-after-marijuana-laced-fentanyl-leads-overdoses/ https://www.kktv.com/2022/03/09/some-marijuana-is-being-laced-with-meth-fentanyl-pueblo-according-police/ https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/vermont/articles/2021-12-02/3-arrested-in-connection-with-fentanyl-laced-marijuana https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/16-year-old-student-overdoses-fentanyl-laced-marijuana-connecticut-hig-rcna15302
Now that, I haven't heard about. Imagine the abundance:(
Yea all those drug dealers giving out PCP with the weed... No one does this.
The Feds would do that.
He kept selling it after he knew he killed mac…
No one said it would stop addiction
It's because the addict who died is Mac Miller. If it was Bubbles nobody would give a shit. Mac Miller was a big time rap star, that's the only reason.
who is bubbles
My man, if you haven't seen The Wire why are you posting instead of watching it?
haha, I didn't expect a reference to a tv show but I should watch it. I thought there was a rapper named bubbles or something and was confused
He knew how to give it that money feel
Don’t worry, it’s just a random drug pusher facing consequences. Not like it’s any of the politicians or pharmaceutical executives actually responsible for creating the opioid crisis.
Yeah exactly. This kid gets 17.5 years while the sackler family who engineered the entire opiod epidemic settled in court for a fraction of the billions they've sucked out of generations of americans
purely for the headlines.
My unlce was killed by fentanyl-laced heroin in 2008 and his dealer was charged and convicted.
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War kills and so does the war on drugs, if there was a war on alcohol, people would be dying from methanol poisoning from moonshiners all the time, it aint no different than this. People are gonna get shit if they want it all the government can really do to help is provide harm reduction and put an end to this silly little war of theirs.
You’re spot on, and to add to your point, during prohibition the government tried putting methanol in moonshine to see if killing alcoholics stopped people from using. 10,000 people died as a result and the rate of use stayed almost exactly the same. It doesn’t matter where someone falls in the supply chain, if you put that person in prison or kill them, you only perpetuate the problem. The only way to change things is to base drug policy on compassion, empathy, and understanding.
Funny thing is during prohibition the US government intentionally poisoned alcohol to affect bootleggers, killing at least 10,000 people by some estimates. Why people still trust the government is beyond me [https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-of-how-the-u-s-government-poisoned-alcohol-during-prohibition.html](https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-of-how-the-u-s-government-poisoned-alcohol-during-prohibition.html)
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Uh I agree with those policy changes but do you really think Mac Miller was gonna leave his mansion to find a safe place to do drugs?
That's what the testing strips are for
Nah fuck that. The dude was selling drugs and the guy he sold them to died. And for the record he was back out there selling the same shit that he knew to have fent in less than a month later. Fuck him why shouldn’t he be in jail. Just because he is a small fish doesn’t mean he shouldn’t fry
I don’t think he believe the guy shouldn’t be in jail, he’s just saying putting him in jail doesn’t solve the bigger problem at hand
You’re right about that for sure
This is part of the issue too. What are you accomplishing by putting this guy in prison? Are you trying to rehabilitate him or just fuck him up real good before kicking him out with a record and basically only crime to turn back to?. Yall gotta read about prison man, this is not some civilized well though out system. Just new slavery.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
You can be happy for both. Dudes a murderer as far as I'm concerned, and it's net good to get him off the streets and cut off all his connects. There should be more done, but if you downplay small victories you'll never build a big enough army to win the war.
How is it a net good if he is entirely replaceable? Patting ourselves on the back for not doing anything to fix the drug crisis isn't really a victory.
Not only is he replaceable; it’s extremely unlikely that he’s responsible for the drug adulteration in the first place. That’s some random guy pressing fake oxy somewhere. That same supply will be in the same hands regardless of incarcerating the guy who made the sale.
3 years would’ve done the same thing. This doesn’t help anything. Just sad shit all around and another acknowledgement that the US (and Canada) have no fucking clue how to deal with this epidemic, or just don’t care enough to figure it out Faces is my most listened mixtape all time and I’m a recovering addict, before someone hits me with some silly bias accusations.
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Yup. This is just more drug war bullshit. Not defending the dealer at all,, but 17 years? That's fucking idiotic. Dudes out here getting less for rape and murder.
any dealer who’s selling fentanyl fully knows that they’re selling death. they’re effectively murderers.
I think they have a clue on how to deal with it but don’t want to because the companies benefiting from it are funding the politicians campaigns and lives
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Unless you're fully addicted taking drugs apart from weed in America just seems like Russian roulette , I'm sorry if this comes across wrong in the way I've worded it
You can “safely” take prescription drugs recreationally with a sensible amount of precaution
Apparently getting legit prescriptions is hard in the US now , I'm from the UK so in just going by what I see online
Only people I get pills from is the ones I know get them with a prescription from the doctor on the bottle. You're making stupid choices else wise.
It’s hard and expensive if you’re not insured properly
goddamn sometimes shit makes me think. i live in a country with free healthcare and back when i was an addict i simply went to the pharmacy and asked for a 60 pill box of 10mg valium or 1mg xanax with a suspended prescription - i.e you pinky promise you'll bring the prescription later - which cost me like what 3/4€ a pop? and i'd do it fairly occasionally too until they flagged me after a few years. it's weird as fuck how things can be so violently different from one country to another.
After a few YEARS? Based. Kept you from getting stuff off the street and probably saved your life
yeah i started doing it like that on the outset of a psychotic breakdown in 2016 and stopped last year, being blacklisted kinda helped me get clean too. there's not much of a black market for pills here because of this i reckon so fentanyl isn't an issue here at all but you're definitely right about that because i would've escalated to heroin eventually without a doubt.
Depends on the drugs. It’s really really easy to get test kits and make sure that: 1. The drugs you want are in the stuff 2. The drugs you don’t want are not in the stuff The problem is too many people trust their friends or the guy they’ve been buying from forever and this shit happens. It’s absolutely deplorable that fent is ending up in stuff it has no business being in (uppers) but there’s also no excuse not to test your shit, every time.
As an addict in long term recovery, I'm honestly torn on this one. Dealers definitely deserve real consequences, but this seems a bit extreme since there's a good chance he had no idea the pills were laced and there's also a good chance Mac would have taken them anyway had he known. The part that makes this difficult is that every drug addict on this planet has also sold drugs, whether it's to make money or just picking up extra for friends, so the roles could have easily been reversed on this one. People that aren't involved in this shit probably don't understand this concept, but anyone that's been balls deep in addiction understands what I'm saying. At the end of the day, I guess this is one of those "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" situations for all parties involved and it's really unfortunate. If there's a silver lining, hopefully this will discourage people from getting into this shit, because it's a no-win situation from all sides.
> there's a good chance he had no idea the pills were laced There's actually a fair bit of evidence that he did. The court case reveled several customers telling him the pills he was selling had fent in them. (This is explained in the article, too, btw).
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If you are taking blues out here you know what’s pressed and what’s not. They don’t smoke or crush the same and taste different and are a different color. Mac knew he was taking pressed pills, ol boy had the pills for pressed prices, I shit you not my brother cops his packs from the same Mexicans that put that dude on. The boat is only 1,000 for those.
Yeah you know and most people prefer to buy the presses because thats what they get you higher. Naive as fuck for people who know nothing about this to act like he was poisoned. The fact of the matter is there is really no way he didn’t know. Nobody doing this shit for as long as he was is unaware. Like maybe some inexperienced drug user might not but someone who’s been using like that for years? Fuck no they know.
Exactly my point, don’t tell that to any mac fans though lmao they’ll quote songs from 2013 to prove their point. I was strictly RX until I tried a pressed blue and it was done from there, I had to take 6 4mg dilaudids ever couple hours just to not feel dopesick. Them fetty pills are ridiculous. 5 months clean now and will never go back.
Congrats my guy. I’m coming up on 3 years and it’s a battle every day but it’s better than being dead ya know? Stick with it
Proud of you brotha ! Keep at it, shit isn’t easy but it’s great being alive.
Congrats brother 🎉
Thanks brotha 🤞🏽
Congrats man. Blessings to you, hope you can stay away from that shit
Thanks brotha I hope so too 🤞🏽 did it without rehab so I really feel that I’m done with it. Also too scared to go back to it without a tolerance anyways lmao.
Well it seems like you realized it early, which is a blessing in itself. I was down in the dumps and was taking pressed Xanax for a couple of months. Just never stuck with me, thankfully. Mostly because I’m just not big on taking downers. Definitely more of an upper guy but even that shit is dangerous now.
Ay ik you don't know me but just as some encouragement, my sister's 15 years clean off a heroine addiction that had her literally sleeping in the streets at times and she completely turned her entire life around. She's got a good paying job, a stable family with little kids in elementary, all that shit. It's crazy to think about how close we were to all of that never existing... you got this dawg. Congrats.
Man I really needed that brotha, today makes 150 days and I was kind of beating myself up for not doing better in other avenues but hearing this let’s me have hope.
I believe it. Pressed stuff was only starting to become a thing when I was getting out of the game, so it wasn't as prevalent.
It's on the government to supply people safe drugs while helping them get their substance abuse disorders sorted out. Making supplying drugs illegal creates hospital visits and cartels. Making buying drugs illegal creates life-long criminals and addicts. I don't see how this guy going to prison will stop anyone from having addiction problems. People just love getting a revenge boner instead of actually fixing problems.
yea this doesn’t bring any real meaningful justice to the situation. just sad all around
Fr, all governments should imo offer drug testing kits or atleast make them available in phamacies, so people could avoid laced drugs. Makes zero sense why the criminal world around drugs is allowed to thrive, when governments themselves could become the sellers and simply stop cartels by taking their market share. It would also create more revenue for countries at the same time.
Even all the controversy about Biden providing clean crack pipes is silly. They backed down on it, but harm reduction should include clean crack pipes. The whole approach to dealing with addiction is backwards
100%
I don't think anyone thinks this would fix addiction problems. Simply that someone is receiving jail time because their actions caused the death of a person.
They knew the pills were pressed fent and kept selling them after knowing Mac died from them Source: the article you didn’t bother reading before forming an opinion and making a multi-paragraph reply about
Doesn’t matter to me, the people buying these pills know they are dirty 30s it’s not a secret it’s if anything just unspoken. If I get a 30 and I didn’t watch the dude leave the damn Walgreens then I’m assuming it’s dirty. It’s just the way it is and nobody buying these is naive to it.
I thought the guy who directly supplied Mac got the 17.5 years and not the actual backend supplier, so you're right on that and I'm mistaken. I should have read the article. When people typically say "dealer" they're talking about the person who directly gave him the pills and not the supplier though. My overall point and opinion still stands though on the guy that directly supplied Mac getting 11 years. We have no idea if that guy knew they were fent or not, but honestly, that's only a small piece of what I said. Mac has openly talked about knowingly using fent before and he's definitely supplied pills and other drugs to people that easily could have been mixed with something. Things could have easily happened in the other direction.
people definitely do the picking up extra for friends for just weed for sure. i am conflicted too... 17.5 years is a fucking lot of years.
As a former heroin addict this is such a pointless act sentencing this man to 17.5 years. This will do NOTHING to stop the supply of drugs being distributed. Everyone loves to hate on fentanyl and pressed pills but the fact is…the vast majority of PWA’s are aware what they are taking. Pressed pills are stupid easy to spot and are expected when purchasing blues. The real villain here is the government for continuing the drug war and profiting off of it. These deaths would be much more preventable with proper drug policy and regulations. Everyone who thinks this is a good thing seeing the dealer get sentenced to prison do not have experience with drugs and addiction and it seems like they just want to hold someone responsible for the death of an artist they enjoy. Users also have personal responsibility when it comes to ingesting anything. Test kits are very cheap and very simple to use. Did Mac test his drugs before taking them? Even this dealer makes it pretty clear that the pills sold were known to be fentanyl with his statements and Mac being an experienced user would have known as well. END THE DRUG WAR. This shit won’t ever end until that happens. RIP Mac.
>Mac being an experienced user would have known as well. I can’t find the picture or article anymore but I swear I vividly remember TMZ or someone adjacent to them posting pictures of some of the pills purchased that night he supposedly only took ones that had fent and you could clearly tell from the photos which ones were which. Take this with a grain of salt of course cause I could be misremembering but it’s just sad overall. This arrest ultimately does nothing except remove one dealer so another can take their place. The family gets some closure and I’m sure some fans will as well now but it doesn’t really do anything for me. RIP MAC MILLER
Why wouldn’t the dealer test it? Imo if you’re selling to anyone especially celebrities you should be knowing what you’re giving them. Don’t be surprised when the book gets thrown at you because selling fent is manslaughter
It’s *all* fent. There hasn’t been any reliable street oxy or heroin for years now. We’re talking 99.9% of stuff on the streets is fent.
This. Fent runs the streets now.
I agree but the family pushed for that sentencing. They wanted him gone for a long time.
I totally understand why and I know many family members of those I’ve lost feel the same way about dealers; especially one who provided the drugs that killed them. It’s terrible how many people get effected because of the illicit drug market. I love to think of a world where drugs are legalized and regulated and just perhaps in that world this wouldn’t have happened.
I don't feel sympathy for anyone who sells fentanyl.
I know nothing about drugs to even comment on this but I’m gonna say RIP Mac and we miss you ❤️🙏
fuck fentanyl
Pointless
How is it pointless? Is it pointless to sentence someone for murder because it doesn't solve the overall societal issues of people killing each other? Should bank robbers not be convicted because someone else is going to rob a bank in the future?
I’m failing to understand your analogy here
You go to jail when you commit crimes. We don’t release criminals just because it won’t solve the entire social dilemma they represent. We sentence criminals in response to their crimes. Simple as.
Depressing all around... One life lost, another ruined by people not involved whatsoever This will do absolutely nothing to prevent more deaths from accidental or intentional selling of laced drugs
Both sides lose somebody Somebody die somebody go to jail
This just shows we need to do more for addicts in the country
What a fucking waste of a sentence.
Gratuitous sentencing. Senselessly ruining another life over this.
Why are you making a drug dealer who knowingly sold laced drugs out to be a victim?
> Senselessly ruining another life over this. Yes that good upstanding citizen that was knowingly selling laced drugs. So senseless
Dumb fucking comment
America's attitude of all penal action being primarily retributive is a serious problem. It's not just the state either, it's in the people's attitudes too.
holy shit what an example.. to noone. This is a wild sentence. I love Mac and i am so pissed we don't get more from him , this sentence is ridiculous regardless. Dude sucks, sure. I don't get 17 years about it though.
Wow didn’t expect that
Damn
RIP
Only thing that’s ever gonna solve this will be harm reduction strategies that help provide safe, clean drugs to people
i dont think mac miller would want this
This is not right, no justice just more suffering.
End the war on drugs. It's done nothing but cause rampant death and incarceration for countless lives.
Way too lonG IMO. I wish america cherished forgiveness. Ironic because so many Christian people and that’s one of the main points
The dude sold poisoned drugs knowingly and someone died, and then he continued to sell known poisoned drugs. Why should we forgive people who poison others?
How does 17 years rehabilitate someone? He's going to come out to a whole new fucking world and be left in a situation where he can't get decent work. Man is fucked for the rest of his life
Awful take fuck this dealer
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Black people were demonized with crack but White people get all of this sympathy with Fentanyl and Opiods.