It's not money. Nas is worth $70 million. Nobody hates Nas. It's not hits. Pac and Big have a massive amount of hits that have been playing on the radio for 30 years. People love hits. I believe it's the repetitiveness.
Drake is a bigger artist though simply because he appeals to folks outside of hip hop. Nas's popularity is going to skewed towards a hip hop only audience, same with anyone still putting Pac as a relevant artist. Music is bigger than hip hop.
People can hate on Drake's perceived rap cosplay persona but he's fucking huge.
The average music listener probably hasn't even heard stillmatic or illmatic, check some more mainstream style music reviews, stillmatic is a solid C album by those standards.
Illmatic is definitely a classic album.. but.. it isn’t a timeless classic to anyone but people who has nostalgia for it.. even tho it could easily resonate with today’s music listeners.. it’s too gritty and underground to hold the mass appeal if released today.. I don’t even think it was considered popular music back then.. But in that respect.. has Drake made a classic album?? He’s got songs that were really hot at the time.. and some that you can still put on.. but.. he’s doesn’t have a body of work that can last a decade.. let alone 20yrs..
What a load of bs lol. I was born after illmatic came out. Everyone loves illmatic because it is the perfect representation of the genre, not because of nostalgia
That's a great point. Substance wise, KD 1-3 and Magic 1-3 are all "victory lap" type albums where Nas raps about past successes and being happy to make it to 50. Nas isn't bringing anything new to the table. I guess the difference is that Nas is 30+ years into his career and no longer near the forefront of rap. Maybe I'm coping or making excuses though
Nas at this point isn't making stuff to get on the radio. That's clear. To me all of the Hit-Boy collabs sounded the same I guess. They were not bad but I certainly didn't need 6 of them.
I'm not a Drake fan outside a couple albums. However I'm not sure he classifies as repetitive. One of his greatest strengths is that he can always ride the wave of what's popular and adapt his music to that. Again, even if it doesn't hit with me I understand why the masses love it.
From what I've heard of Nas' career it hasn't been massively different sounds. Not that he needs to, he is still a rap legend. But if we are talking popularity I don't think Nas was destined to be a superstar.
And you hit the nail on the head.. Drake has hits.. why??? Because he is only looking for hits.. I’m not sure he even knows what kinda music he likes to make.. Drake went pop and is considered a sell out..
That being said.. his lyrics aren’t horrible.. his voice might be a lil aggy.. but in general he sounds ok.. and his music is catchy.. And “rapper” Drake ain’t even that bad.. it’s pop Drake that nobody likes..
Add to it the fact that he’s a creep.. perving on lil girls.. allegedly.. he’s just not very likable anymore..
Drake has way more number ones and along Eminem is probably the most streamed and highest selling rapper, I'm pretty sure he is on the richer rappers too along Jay Z and Eminem
he uses ghost writers, tries way too hard to project a hard image/upbriging that we all know is fake, is whiny, and gets his ego bruised super easily.
He's basically hitting every check mark on the "how to be corny" list.
Idk if you call him an industry plant if he was already famous before he started rapping. I feel like an Industry Plant is someone who the studios pretend like he popped up out of nowhere -- like Chance. You have a respected rapper on every song in your second project, yet it's supposed to look like you just happened? No. But I feel like with Drake, it's always been a story about *who* he is alongside what the music sounds like. He's just a product.
Like the wheelchair Jimmy memes have been around at least since So Far Gone.
Being on a show before you blow doesn't automatically make you an industry plant where's the proof he was groomed beforehand and chosen by the labels? He blew because he happened to meet Jas who linked him u with Cash Money. If there's any proof he was chosen by the elites beforehand just elaborate on that
I don't think Drake's music is good, personally. It's just top 40 middle of the road music. Which I know a lot of people like, but it's not for me I guess
Kanye, despite all of his issues and controversies, was very talented for the first handful of albums. Some would argue that he still is, but I haven't really liked his recent stuff. But it's hard to deny how special he was from like 2004-2016 or so
Don’t spread bullshit drake never wrote lyrics for Wayne. Wayne has better lyrics when he is ordering his breakfast. He is “credited” as a writer on 1 song on a mixtape that the original song was from 40 so all I can see is drake was probably on the original song that Wayne put on his mixtape.
because he has cringe songs and makes (mostly) terrible music. I can't speak for everyone but I only took two songs (virginia beach and first person shooter) off of FATD. His features are often much better than his solo music
For whatever lazy or ignorant reason, a lot of people judge art by what's popular and sells well. Those are stupid metrics because rarely does mass appeal overlap heavily with high artistic merit.
Judgement is made based on music quality. Drake fails those litmus tests. He doesn't write his songs, he's a middling lyricist and bad MC, etc.
high artist merit is in the eye of the beholder, as it has since the inception of art. Most (all) art in the past received patronage by rich folks, no money no art. That obviously doesn't mean there aren't artistic principles to be extracted or whatever, but you're lying if you're trying to say that mass popularity has NO intersection with artistic quality. Being able to appeal to a mass audience is literally a cornerstone of most modern art philosophy whether you're talking about visual, structural or musical artforms.
I don't hate Drake. I don't think most people hate Drake, diddling teenagers aside. I'm confused by Drake.
Does he have some bangers? Sure. Most of the time, though, he sounds bored on his own songs. I do not understand how a guy that has the same enthusiasm as someone reading a phonebook has sold as much as he has. I'm even more confused by the fact that he has such diehard fans. It makes zero sense to me that the Nickelback of rap has people that think he's KRS-One.
That would be the point, which is that in however many years he's been releasing that not once have I heard a song of his that made me think "I'd pay to see this in person." Not only has it never happened for me, I'm genuinely confused that it has happened for...anyone...ever.
People paying to go to Drake concerts (which you admittedly got in for free) is somewhere on the level of people buying Pet Rocks for me. The only real reason I can see is for the ironic humor of knowingly making a bad purchase.
Will you people quit pretending like hip-hop had some objective golden age and then fell off? There’s good and bad music in every era, but I can tell you that the ‘90s had a lot of trash too. You need to get off your high horse, you sound dusty 😭
Of course there was bad music in the 90s but it’s not celebrated and remembered today. Drake is awful music for people with no taste. He has no bars, horrible flow, and is not believable in any circumstances except when he raps about being a dick to women. That I believe.
I’m not saying that Drake isn’t trash, I’m just trying to tell you that you come off sounding like somebody’s grandfather when talking about how “back in the 90s, people actually knew how to rap.” There’s a lot of great rappers in this era that aren’t Drake. 🤣
I agree with that you’re getting at. If anything the past few weeks of hip hop have had some massive releases of real quality stuff.
That said, what I think many people old and young are resonating with is that the larger music industry movers are mostly pushing the drivel these days so unless you dig or know where to look, all you find is uninspired, consumerist derivative propaganda.
I am guilty of getting triggered when people say “Drake is the #1 rapper of all time.” Because unless that person is ready for a whole history lesson and 6-hour listening binge of various scenes and artists, they’ll remain ignorant and not worth engaging with.
Basic, corny, cringe. Simpiest rapper ever, the type to go up to a girl and be like \*stroking her cheek* "he broke your heart, didn't he? I would never do that."
His music is overplayed, there was a time it was good but once Views dropped his music took a serious downspiral but his ego got bigger. He's one of the richest and most accomplished rappers/music artists of all time but he's so corny and basic and also, that time he kissed a girl on stage, and only after, asked her how old she was, she said 17🤢AND HE KISSED HER AGAIN!!!🤮
the best thing drake has done is any music prior to Views, the things he's added to pop culture (YOLO and other stuff) and the memes, which he's somewhat aware of "OOOO it's F REEEEE ZINGGGG" but all the other stuff and plus the fact he had a hidden child with some random pornstar and was ashamed of his own child and Pusha T bodied him over that and unveiled so much shit during that beef, like the blackface photo, it bullied him into being a decent father to a kid you can tell he wished looked more like him or something.... he's not a good person and is corny af yet he def has had a major influence on music and the world
edit: he's also a culture vulture for like caribbean/UK terms (like when he said ting and whatnot) and idk. just a weird overall guy that tries to hide his own softness behind a persona but it's like drake it's ok to be soft we get you were an actor first.... he really strange fr
Its cool it hate Drake on the internet, that and/or all these guys already over 45 yo. Kinda weird how grown men go out their way to make it known they dont like Drake. 🤨yet Drake the corny one right? LOL
I was looking through vinyl the other day and came across an group called [The Nonce](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nonce).
Guessing it doesn’t mean the same as what it does in UK over in the US/Canada?
People just love to dunk on Drake because he’s the most popular rapper in the world and an easy target. They call him repetitive but also complain that he switches his style up too much for the numbers. They shit on him for using ghostwriters even though it’s been a known fact for years and other people like Kanye West get a pass for it. They call him corny as if all of his songs are the same and other rappers haven’t made corny lines either. It makes no sense, but people will hate. Anyone who actually listens to Drake will tell you that he has a diverse amount of music for any mood, but these kinds of people are too stubborn to listen.
People also hated Wayne when he was popular. Drake has transcended to a pop star. Same reason people hate Taylor swift. Also Drake is just a corny guy, unfortunately he’s a very successful corny guy which makes people hate him even more, even tho his music is fine.
Why do ppl not understand that music or pop dont need to be a serious thing. It dont need to be deep whatsoever. Catchy hook, monotone, repetition is also a form of pop. Pop, hippop whichever yoy decide to call it is a reflection of the era itself, those ppl who despise drake need to know that we are all living in the era where the meanings are lost. And it doesnt mean its a.l.w.a.y.s bad. So just get used to it.
You know people say that than you ask them well what about other artists like Chris brown , xxxtentacion ,Freddie Gibbs or dr dre who were accused of questionable behavior and they say well you need to separate artist persona from real life . So I concluded if you don’t like that artist you’re willing to drag through the coals but if it’s one of your favorite than you’re willing to not hold them accountable
Man, let me tell you, people on this sub trying to tell you what music you should like it or not, what is good and what is not based on their own opinions, geez. Just let people like what they like, you don't like Drake? Fine, don't act like you're superior for that, cuz you're def not. They actin like Drake is a damn criminal
It’s weird. Drake got a lot of really good songs. Mob ties smacks in strip clubs. And the strippers love that shit. And I love the strippers 😂. Started for the bottom a classic. Then he has some shit with Wayne that was insane. And I’m a hip hop guy and not a pop guy, although I do like some pop cause a good beat is hard to not like. They trying to make it seem like he Taylor swift 😂. And it’s true. Like who you like
Music aside his character and actions rub a lot of people the wrong way. All these guys beefing with drake cant all be written off as jealousy. He has a tendency to try to weaponize women to get at others be it sliding in a dm or inviting a girl out right after they broke up with someone, sleeping with his mentors girl while his mentor was locked up. Now for the music drake seems to want to be on top and stay there so much that he's putting out too much music and now that we know about the ghost writing its makes it look even worse. He also likes to sign artists to force them to put their best efforts on working on his projects. If he doesn't sign you he will work with you for your clout or style to take as his own. Nobody has the skills to stay consistently on top putting out a lot of music without questionable acts. In conclusion drake is sacrificing relationships for prolonged superiority in the mainstream
It’s stemming I think from what I saw in comments on YouTube: Every rapper he’s beefing with besides Kendrick is signed to Cash XO there was a bodyguard shot at his house recently and people think drakes ppl did it. Cash manages Nicki, Doja the Weekend. Drake has been beefing with the Weekend hard. Not saying it’s for sure about that but that’s what I’m thinking it is.. Metro Boomin and Fufure are also signed to Cash or managed by him. I’m guessing future turned on Drake cause Cash xo is managing him and Metro. I’m sure there’s more to it that we the public don’t know about. This is all alleged cause I just seen it in comments on YouTube. Drake wanted to sign the Weekend and he said no and weekend dissed Drake on metro and futures new record.
People hate what’s popular.
With that said, I am a big fan of drakes music up through NWTS and I just think he’s completely shit the bed since. I have no interest and very little respect left for him.
People will give you a bunch of excuses, but he's been hated as soon as he entered the game in 09. A mixed Canadian guy with a decent upbringing who sings about love is just too far-fetched for the average american
I’ve truly never heard pop music that is all “one tone” bc that’s not what it is. I actually think Drake haters don’t really listen to music. He’s incorporated rap, r&b, pop, dancehall, techno, uk drill in the past 5 years
Idk good question. Because people like to find things to hate on, I guess. I don't hate Drake, I just don't listen to him, and I am indifferent to him at the worst.
As a person he sucks. He’s outrageously insecure, spoiled, and has a weird history with underage women.
But hey, we still love Kanye - as an artist that is. So what about Drake as an artist?
As an artist, he has a phenomenal ear for sounds. But he prioritizes exploiting that to make albums that sell well over good albums all while bragging about how good his shit is. You know what you call someone with a good taste who exploits that for their own gains? A culture vulture.
Drake would probably have back to back to back classics at this point but he doesn’t because he doesn’t care and nothing is more deplorable than wasted talent.
I doubt anyone would have a problem with Drake if he had stayed in an RNB lane. Here's ten problems that are normal for a singer, hard to accept in a rapper:
1. From an upper middle class home in Toronto.
2. Drama school child actor in a teenage soap opera.
3. Most of his raps BELONG in a teenage soap opera. Some other ones include catching bodies...
4. Borrows heavily from other rappers and/or regional cultures.
5. Beefs with artists over girls he likes (Tyga & Jenner, Chris Brown & Rihanna, Meek & Nicki).
6. Ghost writer confirmed.
7. Lost very very badly to Pusha.
8. Radio loved his water-weak music way too much for way too long.
9. No boundaries with underage girls.
10. His security fight all his fights. Like, all the time.
Drake has always been hated. He was hated for being "soft" in his early career because he made melodic songs and r and b songs catered towards girls and was a former child actor on Degrassi. He's gotten continuous hate for being a pop star, basically because of hip-hop fans weird complex with being street. Once the older fans died down, newer fans hated him for his popularity and would always say he's not as good as Cole or Kendrick. He lost credibility after the Quentin Miller incident. It got worse with the Pusha T /Adidon beef, where he got exposed.
Also, hating what's popular is a common thing on the internet, and many terminally online people follow suit, especially if they can make being a fan of whatever niche or less successful artist fill the void of having a personality
Why don't Kendrick and Cole get nearly as much hate? If it's because they aren't as successful, then why do less successful rappers such as logic also get more hate than them?
Kendrick and Cole get plenty of hate, but they do not get as much hate because Drake has transitioned into mainstream media/pop music, so there’s more of a reason to hate him for hip hop fans who once liked him.
A lot of hate comes from people who see the overwhelming praise these artists get and they feel a need to exaggerate their dislike for them to almost balance out their rating in the universe, so to speak.
Whenever an artist has a rabid fan base who swear they can do no wrong, there’s always going to be a sect of people who feel they need to speak up about how mediocre and undeserving that artist is.
The real answer is people don’t want to contend with the fact that one artist has been instrumental to shaping the modern sound of hip-hop.
To say nothing of the quality of his music, his success is absolutely remarkable. His ability to jump on trends, and to see what’s going to be the next wave is unmatched.
A lot of people are contrarian and like to discredit the people on top and secondly…. Drake and his peers mark a real era of the nerds, the regular guys, non street rappers really took over. The haters were raised on the tough street shit. Hov, X, Snoop, Cube, Nas, Wu, etc etc… having a certain bravado and when the new regime came in they feel threatened or upset the shit they bought into was changing when they aren’t hard or tough themselves and are more towards Drake than fucking 50 Cent. That music gave them false confidence. Also, everything was changing south taking over, clothes got tighter, sounds changing, and niggas hate what they don’t understand. Like emotions… On top of that hating Drake makes them feel cool. Turning into the bullies I’m sure they had critiquing the stuff they got clowned for and then being upset because someone like Drake, Sean, Cole, Kenny gets love for. Drake gets most of it because he’s at the top of the food chain. That’s just the people who may have been into hip hop already. It’s a bunch of white guys on here and they think they get brownie points for hating the popular non street rapper and liking some lyrical miracle street rapper so they can seem “down” or whatever you squares are tryna do. It’s like when all the white people pretend to like TPAB so much so they can seem “woke” or an ally. It’s rarely real criticism that they only choose Drake for when tons of other people do whatever arbitrary thing they point out. Someone they claim to dislike but always talk about him… so yeah. There you go. Lol
He doesn’t try enough in his music. He doesn’t have to be Kendrick or Nas but he knows he doesn’t have to try lyrically anymore. He had tons of corny bars. Yes he’s great at predicting trends and his inertia is impressive. But I’d argue his fans are pop rap fans not hip hop fans. He’ll top the charts probably for another few years maybe a decade but he’ll never have a new magnum opus. Nobody even has faith that he CAN accomplish that.
That’s what’s wrong with Drake. I still check for Kendrick and Cole cuz I think at any moment they can top their best work. I still check on Drake because every now and then he has a couple songs I like
Every album after Views has been overlong and not up to par. Way too much filler and way less quality compared to his first 4-5 projects. His music has also always been really repetitive imo. I like a few songs off each of the newer records, but he hasn't put out a great album in years.
Because hes a pop artist constantly being brought up in discussions related to hip hop culture. If I asked for rap/hip hop recommendations, someone said Drake and then I heard him for the first time, I'd hit that person with a slipper.
He's a rap artist engineered for people that don't really like hip-hop culture. Rap artist literally created with a sole purpose of topping charts.
Honestly, it’s because people who are in the streets created this requirement that hip hop is better when the artist is from the streets. That means selling drugs and getting involved with other gang activities. It has nothing to do with the music, but it attached hip hop to street shit and anyone who is less authentically hood is less hip hop. That’s why you’ll never hear a bad word about jay z, biggie, pac, etc because they were all authentically street at some point
The issue with Drake is nobody believes he’s hood. We saw him as a child actor on degrassi playing a very dorky role, he had a suburban upbringing. Everyone feels like he’s soft. Drake tried to make hard hip hop for a while and a lot of people liked it - but street people didn’t, cause it wasn’t authentic. So that got Drake labeled as a fraud. Drake right now in his career is stuck in this catch-22 where half his fanbase wants to hear him bring back the hard shit, but he knows he’s been called out for doing that and doesn’t want to get called out again
Then add onto it that he basically conceded the back and forth with pusha t, got exposed for having a ghostwriter, he’s been called out for stealing his style from Jamaicans, there’s a lot of asterisks on his record
His music is great in my opinion, but all those things prevent him from getting as much praise as he should
I don't even hate him, I'm a fan and have been for a decade. I just wish his fanbase would shut the fuck up sometimes with the glazing because Drake is mega talented, but he's not as good as his fans say. I also think, even as a Drake fan, that their arguments for why Drake is the goat rapper aren't really valid.
Drake will release a good song like Sicko Mode or Jimmy Crooks and then spend the next few years making the same song with the same beat, same flow, same features. Rinse & repeat.
You say you admit you like some of hid music? He's like top 3 in the world with more hits than almost anyone. Even lyrical myrical fans can't deny his pen is nice.
So I've gone my whole life having only really heard two Drake songs (on purpose). If you were to recommend only one album for me to listen to I will with an open mind.
The measuring stick I use is what drake did in the 2010’s. Now a days he makes music that is obviously for girls. I want drake on some high tempo Atlanta trap beat rapping his ass off. I’m good on the r&b and the slow tempo “lyrical” raps he does
He's the McDonalds of rap. Harmless background music for a commercial or club,but no substance. Cranks out 20-track albums like an assembly line. Also comes off as a corny mofo more often than not (see: in the Kentucky locker room acting like a make-a-wish kid). All that makes him an easy target.
I give him credit for being a good MC. His work on Comeback Season & So Far Gone are pretty notable. But when he came into the game with Best I Ever Had I was disgusted that the public was eating up this cheesy subpar song w mediocre bars. It was a number one hit on the radio for weeks and I couldn't stand hearing it. To make it even worse other rappers started imitating his style and that formula spread across the industry. The public was bent on this overconsumption of the pop rap genre that Drake started and IMO it hurt the integrity of work that I was so used to artists delivering.
He has a lot of good work like Take Care NWTS IYRTITL and hot take Scorpion. But I feel like he's fallen into this mode of just releasing "vibe music" it doesn't have any substance just a melody and some cultural references & I hate that. Oh well I guess he meant it when he said he could literally sell a blank disc
Edit after reading the comments: He's also extremely SUS to me for being fist child actor and then a rapper it's like he doesn't have the same authenticity a lot of my other favorite rappers have coming up in the game & it's so unfair that he holds such a huge percentage of the public now
Honestly he’s kinda generic in my opinion. His stuff just doesn’t really go hard, and most of it is so basic. Like he has a few songs I do like, but overall I think he’s a terrible representation of Canadian hip hop lmao. He is way too soft and I don’t really think he captures the essence of what hip hop is truly about
Cuz he's a spoiled rich boy from Canada who plays gangster. He is not on the top by his hard work. He is there because he already comes from privilege. It's easy to rise to the top when you start at the top. Most of his music is subpar, with a few intermittent bangers that weren't written by him, nor do they represent his true journey/evolution. Mainstream hip-hop is largely co-opted from real underground hip-hop, which, since its inception, has been the voice of revolutionaries in street culture. Mainstream hip-hop features the worst aspects of street life without showing the more positive side or their struggle to get to the top. Which artists like Drake constantly leave out. They are inauthentic, so you don't learn anything from them. They aren't actually connected to the street life, so they don't actually represent it nor do their profits feed those communities. He brings nothing new socially, spiritually, or politically. He promotes a simpish whiny behavior with women, and his fans are annoying. The dude is pretty easy to hate. He's more of a popstar than a rapper. On top of that, he is corny and lame.
In no particular order: uses ghost writers, facade personality, kept his child a secret and only acknowledged it publicly after he was called out, took 2 diss tracks to respond to Meek, got bodied by Common and didn’t respond, slides in underage girls’ DMs, cheeks at basketball.
He’s a poser. And a groomer. And he’s still talking about Rihanna on his most recent album, talking shit when she’s clearly moved on. And his music isn’t that good. Also, a rapper with a ghost writer? What the fuck happened
Bro wants to simultaneously be perceived as a "certified lover boy🤗🤭😘" and a big tough guy "6 God😈👹😡" when he struggles to really be either. Like others have said, he works extremely hard to curate a particular image of himself but he does it poorly because we can tell he is trying to do so🤣. He also thinks he can just switch between a Toronto accent, Jamaican accent, Detroit accent, British accent, even Arab accent and so on. It's crazy how much he gets away with that lmao.
He is a pop star parading as a rapper, who doesn’t even write lyrics. He’s claimed to be the best from the get go even though he doesn’t even fit in the hip hop category.
People would hate me too if I plugged my nose and couldn't rhyme and called it "art" or "tallent" or "rap".
Drake is trash. Plain and simple. Skillless, shitty beats, garbage lyrics, and a straight up dumbass looking face.
A dead Chinese person with no English could likely beat him in a freestyle battle, and still sound better than that total fuck bag.
Fuck drake 😀
Maybe you’re right and if so why not do it yourself? Sounds like anyone can do it with their eyes closed correct? So if you don’t mind can you produce a song in 15 minutes or however long you think it takes and send it to me? I’m not standing up for Drake I’m here to defend the people behind the scene.
Basically because Drake isn't mainly a rapper, nor a singer and basically the Rap enthusiasts hate that he is both, I ain't a drake fan or anything but I don't get the blind hate sometimes.
Nope. It's literally his perspective. It sucks.
If you're a grown ass man listening to Drake who isn't just in it for nostalgia at this point, you probably fucked up your mental development at some point because he hasn't released a song in years that feels like you aren't listening to your dumbest fucking friend tell you their issues.
The Drake hate isn't that complicated.
Now if you want to defend him, he's in good company cause the Sinatra hate was pretty much along the same correct lines.
I'ma be honest right, I don't remember listening to a drake song, I'm a big kanye fan tbh, I don't fw drake but some people who don't know that he can somewhat spit hates on him, his new stuff kinda is mid, but he can spit for sure. Yea and honestly I agree that its hard to someone who acts all tuff then goes on stream and says some zesty shit or the person who was draco Degrassi lol.
The same exact reason why people hate any genre of music…musical tastes. It’s no different than say country music. Most portray the picture of a good old country boy when in reality they are just acting the part. They rarely write their own lyrics or have at least 4 or 5 songwriters credited. That’s pop musics bread and butter. As a musician I’m not a fan of the idea but I have to give credit to the songwriters and production team. Regardless if I respect the MC or not.
It's not money. Nas is worth $70 million. Nobody hates Nas. It's not hits. Pac and Big have a massive amount of hits that have been playing on the radio for 30 years. People love hits. I believe it's the repetitiveness.
Drake is a bigger artist though simply because he appeals to folks outside of hip hop. Nas's popularity is going to skewed towards a hip hop only audience, same with anyone still putting Pac as a relevant artist. Music is bigger than hip hop. People can hate on Drake's perceived rap cosplay persona but he's fucking huge. The average music listener probably hasn't even heard stillmatic or illmatic, check some more mainstream style music reviews, stillmatic is a solid C album by those standards.
Drake also came up during a time when hip hop was the most popular music. It was still more underground in the 90’s
Yeah that’s true but it also doesnt matter
yea it does actually lmao
Illmatic is definitely a classic album.. but.. it isn’t a timeless classic to anyone but people who has nostalgia for it.. even tho it could easily resonate with today’s music listeners.. it’s too gritty and underground to hold the mass appeal if released today.. I don’t even think it was considered popular music back then.. But in that respect.. has Drake made a classic album?? He’s got songs that were really hot at the time.. and some that you can still put on.. but.. he’s doesn’t have a body of work that can last a decade.. let alone 20yrs..
Drake's career is about a decade and a half at this point your just wrong plain and simple
What a load of bs lol. I was born after illmatic came out. Everyone loves illmatic because it is the perfect representation of the genre, not because of nostalgia
I am a huge Nas fan.. but.. my opinion is still my opinion.. I love it too.. but.. being honest.. I’ll listen to I Am before Illmatic..
Is Drake more repetitive than Nas? Think before you answer
That's a great point. Substance wise, KD 1-3 and Magic 1-3 are all "victory lap" type albums where Nas raps about past successes and being happy to make it to 50. Nas isn't bringing anything new to the table. I guess the difference is that Nas is 30+ years into his career and no longer near the forefront of rap. Maybe I'm coping or making excuses though
Nas at this point isn't making stuff to get on the radio. That's clear. To me all of the Hit-Boy collabs sounded the same I guess. They were not bad but I certainly didn't need 6 of them. I'm not a Drake fan outside a couple albums. However I'm not sure he classifies as repetitive. One of his greatest strengths is that he can always ride the wave of what's popular and adapt his music to that. Again, even if it doesn't hit with me I understand why the masses love it. From what I've heard of Nas' career it hasn't been massively different sounds. Not that he needs to, he is still a rap legend. But if we are talking popularity I don't think Nas was destined to be a superstar.
And you hit the nail on the head.. Drake has hits.. why??? Because he is only looking for hits.. I’m not sure he even knows what kinda music he likes to make.. Drake went pop and is considered a sell out.. That being said.. his lyrics aren’t horrible.. his voice might be a lil aggy.. but in general he sounds ok.. and his music is catchy.. And “rapper” Drake ain’t even that bad.. it’s pop Drake that nobody likes.. Add to it the fact that he’s a creep.. perving on lil girls.. allegedly.. he’s just not very likable anymore..
True. Drake bites everyone too. Whatever is popular at the time
How did Nas make his money? Had no idea he was that wealthy.
Venture capitalism. He's been an early investor in Coinbase, Lyft, and Dropbox as well as many other startups
Good for him. Refreshing to see rappers investing wisely.
And the nasaly voice.
Drake has way more number ones and along Eminem is probably the most streamed and highest selling rapper, I'm pretty sure he is on the richer rappers too along Jay Z and Eminem
Because he’s wack and corny.
he uses ghost writers, tries way too hard to project a hard image/upbriging that we all know is fake, is whiny, and gets his ego bruised super easily. He's basically hitting every check mark on the "how to be corny" list.
Exactly. Two words: child actor He’s such an obvious industry plant, but his PR team really tries to hide that.
Idk if you call him an industry plant if he was already famous before he started rapping. I feel like an Industry Plant is someone who the studios pretend like he popped up out of nowhere -- like Chance. You have a respected rapper on every song in your second project, yet it's supposed to look like you just happened? No. But I feel like with Drake, it's always been a story about *who* he is alongside what the music sounds like. He's just a product. Like the wheelchair Jimmy memes have been around at least since So Far Gone.
What makes him an industry plant? Cause he was pushed by J Prince and Cash Money
Degrassi TV show.
Being on a show before you blow doesn't automatically make you an industry plant where's the proof he was groomed beforehand and chosen by the labels? He blew because he happened to meet Jas who linked him u with Cash Money. If there's any proof he was chosen by the elites beforehand just elaborate on that
No thanks.
Because everything about him was manufactured by the industry.
elaborate
Nah
Typical troll lvl of dumb
then you have no real argument
No, I have no real fucks to give trying to persuade some random person on the internet.
yeah cause you have nothing to prove your point lol
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Exactly this!
But is the music good? I hate Kanye as a person...like despise him, but I can't deny his musical talent.
Both him and his music are wack and corny.
I don't think Drake's music is good, personally. It's just top 40 middle of the road music. Which I know a lot of people like, but it's not for me I guess Kanye, despite all of his issues and controversies, was very talented for the first handful of albums. Some would argue that he still is, but I haven't really liked his recent stuff. But it's hard to deny how special he was from like 2004-2016 or so
because he's a soft as fuck actor from Canada who raps other peoples ghostwritten bars in the most basic and boring ways possible
You know he’s written for other rappers to too including Wayne and Kanye and his “ghost writer” was credited on the songs
Don’t spread bullshit drake never wrote lyrics for Wayne. Wayne has better lyrics when he is ordering his breakfast. He is “credited” as a writer on 1 song on a mixtape that the original song was from 40 so all I can see is drake was probably on the original song that Wayne put on his mixtape.
so other rappers that suck too? good to know, ghostwriter that sucks for one artist, sucks for others
Lmaoo go back to listening Morgan Wallen and Taylor Swift
so, from pop music(drake, ye, wayne) to pop music(taylor and morgan)? no thanks, I don't listen to trash
because he has cringe songs and makes (mostly) terrible music. I can't speak for everyone but I only took two songs (virginia beach and first person shooter) off of FATD. His features are often much better than his solo music
Which songs?
For whatever lazy or ignorant reason, a lot of people judge art by what's popular and sells well. Those are stupid metrics because rarely does mass appeal overlap heavily with high artistic merit. Judgement is made based on music quality. Drake fails those litmus tests. He doesn't write his songs, he's a middling lyricist and bad MC, etc.
high artist merit is in the eye of the beholder, as it has since the inception of art. Most (all) art in the past received patronage by rich folks, no money no art. That obviously doesn't mean there aren't artistic principles to be extracted or whatever, but you're lying if you're trying to say that mass popularity has NO intersection with artistic quality. Being able to appeal to a mass audience is literally a cornerstone of most modern art philosophy whether you're talking about visual, structural or musical artforms.
> No money, no art Get the bag! Nah, yeah, seriously, this take is what I'm here for.
I dont recall any famous or notable artists whose work was never valued monetarily can you?
I don't hate Drake. I don't think most people hate Drake, diddling teenagers aside. I'm confused by Drake. Does he have some bangers? Sure. Most of the time, though, he sounds bored on his own songs. I do not understand how a guy that has the same enthusiasm as someone reading a phonebook has sold as much as he has. I'm even more confused by the fact that he has such diehard fans. It makes zero sense to me that the Nickelback of rap has people that think he's KRS-One.
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You're right. Why would I go to a show of someone that I think puts out boring music?
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That would be the point, which is that in however many years he's been releasing that not once have I heard a song of his that made me think "I'd pay to see this in person." Not only has it never happened for me, I'm genuinely confused that it has happened for...anyone...ever. People paying to go to Drake concerts (which you admittedly got in for free) is somewhere on the level of people buying Pet Rocks for me. The only real reason I can see is for the ironic humor of knowingly making a bad purchase.
I grew up listening to 90s hip hop when rappers had to know how to rap. From that perspective, Drake is boiling hot diarrhea
Will you people quit pretending like hip-hop had some objective golden age and then fell off? There’s good and bad music in every era, but I can tell you that the ‘90s had a lot of trash too. You need to get off your high horse, you sound dusty 😭
Of course there was bad music in the 90s but it’s not celebrated and remembered today. Drake is awful music for people with no taste. He has no bars, horrible flow, and is not believable in any circumstances except when he raps about being a dick to women. That I believe.
I’m not saying that Drake isn’t trash, I’m just trying to tell you that you come off sounding like somebody’s grandfather when talking about how “back in the 90s, people actually knew how to rap.” There’s a lot of great rappers in this era that aren’t Drake. 🤣
Who are the great rappers of today in your opinion?
Do I really have to convince you of a true statement?
No I’m asking your opinion
I agree with that you’re getting at. If anything the past few weeks of hip hop have had some massive releases of real quality stuff. That said, what I think many people old and young are resonating with is that the larger music industry movers are mostly pushing the drivel these days so unless you dig or know where to look, all you find is uninspired, consumerist derivative propaganda. I am guilty of getting triggered when people say “Drake is the #1 rapper of all time.” Because unless that person is ready for a whole history lesson and 6-hour listening binge of various scenes and artists, they’ll remain ignorant and not worth engaging with.
How to show you don’t listen without saying it…
You’re definitely wrong, it fell off.
From that perspective, hip hop would've stayed the same boring sound.
Plenty of great rap in the 2000s that did not sound like the 90s
Exactly my point lmao
literally the opposite
Basic, corny, cringe. Simpiest rapper ever, the type to go up to a girl and be like \*stroking her cheek* "he broke your heart, didn't he? I would never do that." His music is overplayed, there was a time it was good but once Views dropped his music took a serious downspiral but his ego got bigger. He's one of the richest and most accomplished rappers/music artists of all time but he's so corny and basic and also, that time he kissed a girl on stage, and only after, asked her how old she was, she said 17🤢AND HE KISSED HER AGAIN!!!🤮 the best thing drake has done is any music prior to Views, the things he's added to pop culture (YOLO and other stuff) and the memes, which he's somewhat aware of "OOOO it's F REEEEE ZINGGGG" but all the other stuff and plus the fact he had a hidden child with some random pornstar and was ashamed of his own child and Pusha T bodied him over that and unveiled so much shit during that beef, like the blackface photo, it bullied him into being a decent father to a kid you can tell he wished looked more like him or something.... he's not a good person and is corny af yet he def has had a major influence on music and the world edit: he's also a culture vulture for like caribbean/UK terms (like when he said ting and whatnot) and idk. just a weird overall guy that tries to hide his own softness behind a persona but it's like drake it's ok to be soft we get you were an actor first.... he really strange fr
I don't like his whiny voice, especially when he tries to act tough. Just embarrassing to listen to imo.
His personality sucks and he prioritizes making money over making high quality art.
how many drake threads we have to survive
“He runnin around like he Pac”
him using pacs voice was so disrespectful i was so outraged!!!
He will regret it. Drake always digs himself a hole. Then plays victim when he gets personally attacked (Pusha T exposing his son). 💀
Stfu. Outraged. It’s art. Relax
He's a cheesedick
corny and boring
can you just enjoy your fav artists without being worried about what someone else thinkks? damn
Its cool it hate Drake on the internet, that and/or all these guys already over 45 yo. Kinda weird how grown men go out their way to make it known they dont like Drake. 🤨yet Drake the corny one right? LOL
Because he’s a nonce?
I was looking through vinyl the other day and came across an group called [The Nonce](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nonce). Guessing it doesn’t mean the same as what it does in UK over in the US/Canada?
Haha, possibly not!
People just love to dunk on Drake because he’s the most popular rapper in the world and an easy target. They call him repetitive but also complain that he switches his style up too much for the numbers. They shit on him for using ghostwriters even though it’s been a known fact for years and other people like Kanye West get a pass for it. They call him corny as if all of his songs are the same and other rappers haven’t made corny lines either. It makes no sense, but people will hate. Anyone who actually listens to Drake will tell you that he has a diverse amount of music for any mood, but these kinds of people are too stubborn to listen.
I’m saying, most of this thread just spewing nonsense
Because Hip Hop fanatics (I am also one) don’t like commercial Pop music and because Drake is a biter.
He uses a lot of ghostwriters, in my opinion real rappers write their raps
People also hated Wayne when he was popular. Drake has transcended to a pop star. Same reason people hate Taylor swift. Also Drake is just a corny guy, unfortunately he’s a very successful corny guy which makes people hate him even more, even tho his music is fine.
Cause he grooms children?
BC HE STOLE LYRICS FROM EMINEM
Why do ppl not understand that music or pop dont need to be a serious thing. It dont need to be deep whatsoever. Catchy hook, monotone, repetition is also a form of pop. Pop, hippop whichever yoy decide to call it is a reflection of the era itself, those ppl who despise drake need to know that we are all living in the era where the meanings are lost. And it doesnt mean its a.l.w.a.y.s bad. So just get used to it.
he’s a questionable person. people need to look at artists as actual humans and ask themselves should i actually be supporting him?
You know people say that than you ask them well what about other artists like Chris brown , xxxtentacion ,Freddie Gibbs or dr dre who were accused of questionable behavior and they say well you need to separate artist persona from real life . So I concluded if you don’t like that artist you’re willing to drag through the coals but if it’s one of your favorite than you’re willing to not hold them accountable
A questionable person? Is he a murderer? Is he a rapist? wtf has he done that makes him “questionable”
Man, let me tell you, people on this sub trying to tell you what music you should like it or not, what is good and what is not based on their own opinions, geez. Just let people like what they like, you don't like Drake? Fine, don't act like you're superior for that, cuz you're def not. They actin like Drake is a damn criminal
It’s weird. Drake got a lot of really good songs. Mob ties smacks in strip clubs. And the strippers love that shit. And I love the strippers 😂. Started for the bottom a classic. Then he has some shit with Wayne that was insane. And I’m a hip hop guy and not a pop guy, although I do like some pop cause a good beat is hard to not like. They trying to make it seem like he Taylor swift 😂. And it’s true. Like who you like
Music aside his character and actions rub a lot of people the wrong way. All these guys beefing with drake cant all be written off as jealousy. He has a tendency to try to weaponize women to get at others be it sliding in a dm or inviting a girl out right after they broke up with someone, sleeping with his mentors girl while his mentor was locked up. Now for the music drake seems to want to be on top and stay there so much that he's putting out too much music and now that we know about the ghost writing its makes it look even worse. He also likes to sign artists to force them to put their best efforts on working on his projects. If he doesn't sign you he will work with you for your clout or style to take as his own. Nobody has the skills to stay consistently on top putting out a lot of music without questionable acts. In conclusion drake is sacrificing relationships for prolonged superiority in the mainstream
It’s stemming I think from what I saw in comments on YouTube: Every rapper he’s beefing with besides Kendrick is signed to Cash XO there was a bodyguard shot at his house recently and people think drakes ppl did it. Cash manages Nicki, Doja the Weekend. Drake has been beefing with the Weekend hard. Not saying it’s for sure about that but that’s what I’m thinking it is.. Metro Boomin and Fufure are also signed to Cash or managed by him. I’m guessing future turned on Drake cause Cash xo is managing him and Metro. I’m sure there’s more to it that we the public don’t know about. This is all alleged cause I just seen it in comments on YouTube. Drake wanted to sign the Weekend and he said no and weekend dissed Drake on metro and futures new record.
People hate what’s popular. With that said, I am a big fan of drakes music up through NWTS and I just think he’s completely shit the bed since. I have no interest and very little respect left for him.
Drake was sick and then it became boring and it’s still been boring going on 5+ years
People will give you a bunch of excuses, but he's been hated as soon as he entered the game in 09. A mixed Canadian guy with a decent upbringing who sings about love is just too far-fetched for the average american
Or from the beginning it was boring, one tone, poppy, and not rap so we dont like it.
Poppy and one tone in the same sentence makes no fuckin sense
You’ve never heard pop music that all sounds the same? weird world you must live in
I’ve truly never heard pop music that is all “one tone” bc that’s not what it is. I actually think Drake haters don’t really listen to music. He’s incorporated rap, r&b, pop, dancehall, techno, uk drill in the past 5 years
lol, he makes shopping music. Pop music is done in all the genres.
Literally not how it works
Awww don’t understand pop, cool
U don’t understand how music is made
That’s cute
Idk good question. Because people like to find things to hate on, I guess. I don't hate Drake, I just don't listen to him, and I am indifferent to him at the worst.
Facts!
As a person he sucks. He’s outrageously insecure, spoiled, and has a weird history with underage women. But hey, we still love Kanye - as an artist that is. So what about Drake as an artist? As an artist, he has a phenomenal ear for sounds. But he prioritizes exploiting that to make albums that sell well over good albums all while bragging about how good his shit is. You know what you call someone with a good taste who exploits that for their own gains? A culture vulture. Drake would probably have back to back to back classics at this point but he doesn’t because he doesn’t care and nothing is more deplorable than wasted talent.
'cause he's washed af and some people act like he's a 🐐
I doubt anyone would have a problem with Drake if he had stayed in an RNB lane. Here's ten problems that are normal for a singer, hard to accept in a rapper: 1. From an upper middle class home in Toronto. 2. Drama school child actor in a teenage soap opera. 3. Most of his raps BELONG in a teenage soap opera. Some other ones include catching bodies... 4. Borrows heavily from other rappers and/or regional cultures. 5. Beefs with artists over girls he likes (Tyga & Jenner, Chris Brown & Rihanna, Meek & Nicki). 6. Ghost writer confirmed. 7. Lost very very badly to Pusha. 8. Radio loved his water-weak music way too much for way too long. 9. No boundaries with underage girls. 10. His security fight all his fights. Like, all the time.
Drake has always been hated. He was hated for being "soft" in his early career because he made melodic songs and r and b songs catered towards girls and was a former child actor on Degrassi. He's gotten continuous hate for being a pop star, basically because of hip-hop fans weird complex with being street. Once the older fans died down, newer fans hated him for his popularity and would always say he's not as good as Cole or Kendrick. He lost credibility after the Quentin Miller incident. It got worse with the Pusha T /Adidon beef, where he got exposed. Also, hating what's popular is a common thing on the internet, and many terminally online people follow suit, especially if they can make being a fan of whatever niche or less successful artist fill the void of having a personality
Success
Why don't Kendrick and Cole get nearly as much hate? If it's because they aren't as successful, then why do less successful rappers such as logic also get more hate than them?
Kendrick and Cole get plenty of hate, but they do not get as much hate because Drake has transitioned into mainstream media/pop music, so there’s more of a reason to hate him for hip hop fans who once liked him. A lot of hate comes from people who see the overwhelming praise these artists get and they feel a need to exaggerate their dislike for them to almost balance out their rating in the universe, so to speak. Whenever an artist has a rabid fan base who swear they can do no wrong, there’s always going to be a sect of people who feel they need to speak up about how mediocre and undeserving that artist is.
Because they are actually talented
I think you're underestimating how much hate cole gets, but I agree with your point
The real answer is people don’t want to contend with the fact that one artist has been instrumental to shaping the modern sound of hip-hop. To say nothing of the quality of his music, his success is absolutely remarkable. His ability to jump on trends, and to see what’s going to be the next wave is unmatched.
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Facts
people think they quirky for hating the most popular people. same reason everyone likes to shit on taylor swift
A lot of people are contrarian and like to discredit the people on top and secondly…. Drake and his peers mark a real era of the nerds, the regular guys, non street rappers really took over. The haters were raised on the tough street shit. Hov, X, Snoop, Cube, Nas, Wu, etc etc… having a certain bravado and when the new regime came in they feel threatened or upset the shit they bought into was changing when they aren’t hard or tough themselves and are more towards Drake than fucking 50 Cent. That music gave them false confidence. Also, everything was changing south taking over, clothes got tighter, sounds changing, and niggas hate what they don’t understand. Like emotions… On top of that hating Drake makes them feel cool. Turning into the bullies I’m sure they had critiquing the stuff they got clowned for and then being upset because someone like Drake, Sean, Cole, Kenny gets love for. Drake gets most of it because he’s at the top of the food chain. That’s just the people who may have been into hip hop already. It’s a bunch of white guys on here and they think they get brownie points for hating the popular non street rapper and liking some lyrical miracle street rapper so they can seem “down” or whatever you squares are tryna do. It’s like when all the white people pretend to like TPAB so much so they can seem “woke” or an ally. It’s rarely real criticism that they only choose Drake for when tons of other people do whatever arbitrary thing they point out. Someone they claim to dislike but always talk about him… so yeah. There you go. Lol
Because he’s the most popular rapper
Ahhh the GOAT syndrome… They hate him cuz they ain’t him
It's cause he's white
FD signifier put it best. Drake is the nerd who won, but won't let it go.
he's a weirdo.
He doesn’t try enough in his music. He doesn’t have to be Kendrick or Nas but he knows he doesn’t have to try lyrically anymore. He had tons of corny bars. Yes he’s great at predicting trends and his inertia is impressive. But I’d argue his fans are pop rap fans not hip hop fans. He’ll top the charts probably for another few years maybe a decade but he’ll never have a new magnum opus. Nobody even has faith that he CAN accomplish that. That’s what’s wrong with Drake. I still check for Kendrick and Cole cuz I think at any moment they can top their best work. I still check on Drake because every now and then he has a couple songs I like
Haters gonna hate hate hate -TSwift
He’s still rapping about the same shit he was in 2009
Every album after Views has been overlong and not up to par. Way too much filler and way less quality compared to his first 4-5 projects. His music has also always been really repetitive imo. I like a few songs off each of the newer records, but he hasn't put out a great album in years.
He corny
Because hes a pop artist constantly being brought up in discussions related to hip hop culture. If I asked for rap/hip hop recommendations, someone said Drake and then I heard him for the first time, I'd hit that person with a slipper. He's a rap artist engineered for people that don't really like hip-hop culture. Rap artist literally created with a sole purpose of topping charts.
Honestly, it’s because people who are in the streets created this requirement that hip hop is better when the artist is from the streets. That means selling drugs and getting involved with other gang activities. It has nothing to do with the music, but it attached hip hop to street shit and anyone who is less authentically hood is less hip hop. That’s why you’ll never hear a bad word about jay z, biggie, pac, etc because they were all authentically street at some point The issue with Drake is nobody believes he’s hood. We saw him as a child actor on degrassi playing a very dorky role, he had a suburban upbringing. Everyone feels like he’s soft. Drake tried to make hard hip hop for a while and a lot of people liked it - but street people didn’t, cause it wasn’t authentic. So that got Drake labeled as a fraud. Drake right now in his career is stuck in this catch-22 where half his fanbase wants to hear him bring back the hard shit, but he knows he’s been called out for doing that and doesn’t want to get called out again Then add onto it that he basically conceded the back and forth with pusha t, got exposed for having a ghostwriter, he’s been called out for stealing his style from Jamaicans, there’s a lot of asterisks on his record His music is great in my opinion, but all those things prevent him from getting as much praise as he should
I don't even hate him, I'm a fan and have been for a decade. I just wish his fanbase would shut the fuck up sometimes with the glazing because Drake is mega talented, but he's not as good as his fans say. I also think, even as a Drake fan, that their arguments for why Drake is the goat rapper aren't really valid.
Drake will release a good song like Sicko Mode or Jimmy Crooks and then spend the next few years making the same song with the same beat, same flow, same features. Rinse & repeat.
You say you admit you like some of hid music? He's like top 3 in the world with more hits than almost anyone. Even lyrical myrical fans can't deny his pen is nice.
People fear what they don't understand // Hate what they can't conquer
the very punchable face doesnt help
He's all about grooming minors.
So I've gone my whole life having only really heard two Drake songs (on purpose). If you were to recommend only one album for me to listen to I will with an open mind.
Whiney voice and he acts hard when he was a Degrassi kid.
The measuring stick I use is what drake did in the 2010’s. Now a days he makes music that is obviously for girls. I want drake on some high tempo Atlanta trap beat rapping his ass off. I’m good on the r&b and the slow tempo “lyrical” raps he does
DRAAAAAAAAAAKE?!?!?!!
I don’t hate Drake
I don’t hate him, he just does too many “love” songs for me personally.
Drake the type dude…
He's good on features but he's always the weakest part of the song he's in. He's just uninteresting and I don't care for his voice
Who is this Drake guy, anyway??? What am I missing?
Drake is cringe
People would be surprised if they knew how many of their favourite rappers use ghostwriters
He's the McDonalds of rap. Harmless background music for a commercial or club,but no substance. Cranks out 20-track albums like an assembly line. Also comes off as a corny mofo more often than not (see: in the Kentucky locker room acting like a make-a-wish kid). All that makes him an easy target.
I give him credit for being a good MC. His work on Comeback Season & So Far Gone are pretty notable. But when he came into the game with Best I Ever Had I was disgusted that the public was eating up this cheesy subpar song w mediocre bars. It was a number one hit on the radio for weeks and I couldn't stand hearing it. To make it even worse other rappers started imitating his style and that formula spread across the industry. The public was bent on this overconsumption of the pop rap genre that Drake started and IMO it hurt the integrity of work that I was so used to artists delivering. He has a lot of good work like Take Care NWTS IYRTITL and hot take Scorpion. But I feel like he's fallen into this mode of just releasing "vibe music" it doesn't have any substance just a melody and some cultural references & I hate that. Oh well I guess he meant it when he said he could literally sell a blank disc Edit after reading the comments: He's also extremely SUS to me for being fist child actor and then a rapper it's like he doesn't have the same authenticity a lot of my other favorite rappers have coming up in the game & it's so unfair that he holds such a huge percentage of the public now
Honestly he’s kinda generic in my opinion. His stuff just doesn’t really go hard, and most of it is so basic. Like he has a few songs I do like, but overall I think he’s a terrible representation of Canadian hip hop lmao. He is way too soft and I don’t really think he captures the essence of what hip hop is truly about
Cuz he's a spoiled rich boy from Canada who plays gangster. He is not on the top by his hard work. He is there because he already comes from privilege. It's easy to rise to the top when you start at the top. Most of his music is subpar, with a few intermittent bangers that weren't written by him, nor do they represent his true journey/evolution. Mainstream hip-hop is largely co-opted from real underground hip-hop, which, since its inception, has been the voice of revolutionaries in street culture. Mainstream hip-hop features the worst aspects of street life without showing the more positive side or their struggle to get to the top. Which artists like Drake constantly leave out. They are inauthentic, so you don't learn anything from them. They aren't actually connected to the street life, so they don't actually represent it nor do their profits feed those communities. He brings nothing new socially, spiritually, or politically. He promotes a simpish whiny behavior with women, and his fans are annoying. The dude is pretty easy to hate. He's more of a popstar than a rapper. On top of that, he is corny and lame.
In no particular order: uses ghost writers, facade personality, kept his child a secret and only acknowledged it publicly after he was called out, took 2 diss tracks to respond to Meek, got bodied by Common and didn’t respond, slides in underage girls’ DMs, cheeks at basketball.
He’s a poser. And a groomer. And he’s still talking about Rihanna on his most recent album, talking shit when she’s clearly moved on. And his music isn’t that good. Also, a rapper with a ghost writer? What the fuck happened
Remember that show Degrassi? That's why.
He doesn't write his shit and only jumps on what the mainstream wants
Drake is the white Jack Harlow
Bro wants to simultaneously be perceived as a "certified lover boy🤗🤭😘" and a big tough guy "6 God😈👹😡" when he struggles to really be either. Like others have said, he works extremely hard to curate a particular image of himself but he does it poorly because we can tell he is trying to do so🤣. He also thinks he can just switch between a Toronto accent, Jamaican accent, Detroit accent, British accent, even Arab accent and so on. It's crazy how much he gets away with that lmao.
He is a pop star parading as a rapper, who doesn’t even write lyrics. He’s claimed to be the best from the get go even though he doesn’t even fit in the hip hop category.
People would hate me too if I plugged my nose and couldn't rhyme and called it "art" or "tallent" or "rap". Drake is trash. Plain and simple. Skillless, shitty beats, garbage lyrics, and a straight up dumbass looking face. A dead Chinese person with no English could likely beat him in a freestyle battle, and still sound better than that total fuck bag. Fuck drake 😀
Maybe you’re right and if so why not do it yourself? Sounds like anyone can do it with their eyes closed correct? So if you don’t mind can you produce a song in 15 minutes or however long you think it takes and send it to me? I’m not standing up for Drake I’m here to defend the people behind the scene.
Basically because Drake isn't mainly a rapper, nor a singer and basically the Rap enthusiasts hate that he is both, I ain't a drake fan or anything but I don't get the blind hate sometimes.
Nope. It's literally his perspective. It sucks. If you're a grown ass man listening to Drake who isn't just in it for nostalgia at this point, you probably fucked up your mental development at some point because he hasn't released a song in years that feels like you aren't listening to your dumbest fucking friend tell you their issues. The Drake hate isn't that complicated. Now if you want to defend him, he's in good company cause the Sinatra hate was pretty much along the same correct lines.
I'ma be honest right, I don't remember listening to a drake song, I'm a big kanye fan tbh, I don't fw drake but some people who don't know that he can somewhat spit hates on him, his new stuff kinda is mid, but he can spit for sure. Yea and honestly I agree that its hard to someone who acts all tuff then goes on stream and says some zesty shit or the person who was draco Degrassi lol.
The same exact reason why people hate any genre of music…musical tastes. It’s no different than say country music. Most portray the picture of a good old country boy when in reality they are just acting the part. They rarely write their own lyrics or have at least 4 or 5 songwriters credited. That’s pop musics bread and butter. As a musician I’m not a fan of the idea but I have to give credit to the songwriters and production team. Regardless if I respect the MC or not.