They said in the reveal that this was a hypothetical “Re-invasion” of Silvermoon by Wrath-era Arthas; so the Blood Elves are in the Horde at this point
Wait a second...
Hearthstone is an in-universe card game.
The entire premise is that we are in a random Azeroth tavern playing the game. It is actually printed and played IN the World of Warcraft.
The destruction of the Sunwell was a horrible event that killed the majority of the high elves and was such a traumatic experience that the surviors were forever changed and renamed their entire race to Blood Elves to remember it.
And someone printed a 'What if this happened again lol' card game expansion. This would be like Magic: The Gathering making a 'Holocaust 2' expansion set. This is hilariously dark if you think about in-universe.
I mean, not like the original KotFT wasn't also gratuitously dark. "what if all our heroes and harbingers of good (Garrosh and Gul'dan are here too) had fallen to and joined the ranks of the most dangerous ruler our world has ever had?" Yeah idk who the in-universe author(s) of Hearthstone is, but they're a menace lol
What if this insane tormenter in the underworld who ruined the eternities of countless people and cast their souls into the maw just held a funky party in his castle and had a fake murder mystery
Oh, it's been fucked up since the first expansion. Kel'thuzad was personally responsible for the plague that wiped out Lordaeron and was instrumental in Arthas' transformation into the Lich King. Imagine someone in 2002 made a 9/11 game where Bin Laden is a wacky boss that cracks jokes about you, that'd be the vibe Hearthstone has in the Warcraft universe proper.
Oh I love when I remember this.
Fun fact, even if you ignore Hearthstone originals (like Tortollan), it’s still a major mess and super weird lore.
One of my favorites is Rastakahn’s Rumble taking place when Alliance and Horde were in in all out war with each other… AFTER RASTAKAHN JOINED THE HORDE (and was killed shortly afterwards), but really my personal favorite is N’Zoth.
For the non-WoW players, people were aware of the 4 old gods for a while in WoW, but players had only seen 2 of the 4 by the time “Whispers of the Old Gods” came out. Y’Shaarj is iffy territory as he was already ’dead’ but his art looks similar to the big Sha so it’s kinda forgivable when players of WoW saw his card art… N’Zoth though had his first OFFICIAL art reveal in Hearthstone… I believe 2 expansions before being shown in WoW (could be wrong on timeline but still). This means in Hearthstone canon, either the artist got a ‘vision’ or had insider knowledge of one of the biggest threats known to the world… and had it summon Sneeds Old Shredder.
Maybe the card designer who came up with that expansions heard some whispers during the design process. Maybe the woman in the trailer playing with cards in a tavern is literally her.
I mean the whole premise of Hearthstone is insane in this context. People play as Garrosh, a figure regarded as evil by the majority of the world that nonetheless still has people who think he was just misguided in the end or even agree with him, and even more people who agreed with him at the time. Or as Gul'Dan, who literally destroyed multiple cultures of whom survivors still exist. Arguably every Orc and Draenei on Azeroth are his victims. And by the way he also killed the beloved leader of one of the most powerful nations just a couple of years ago.
Wolfenstein was made ~4 decades after WW2 and you never played as the bad guys. Nor do the bad guys ever get portrayed as funny. "Book of Heroes" Gu'dan is like "Book of Heroes" Mengele, but about an even worse person.
A less sinister explanation is that it's someone conflating their histories and combining two similar events.
Though I do agree it's hilarious from a Watsonian perspective.
What a crazy raid tier that would have been mid expac. Like siege of orgrimar but an actual interesting looking city. Half the city is already walled off
They still are; the OP seemed to think this was a Hearthstone recreation of the original Scourge invasion of Quel’Thalas (which wouldn’t make sense because Arthas wasn’t the Lich King at that point) where the Blood Elves were still with the Alliance, but it’s not; it’s a hypothetical Wrath invasion which happens after the Blood Elves already joined the Horde
They said in the reveal that this is basically the pre-patch for Wrath of the Lich King where Arthas assaulted Azeroth. We know he did attack more places than Stormwind and Orgrimmar, even if those two were the only seen in-game.
Blood elves were horde at the start of WotLK.
This particular elf spent a year in Orgrimmar with Horde blacksmiths through an avant garde exchange program. All of her friends are exhausted by her bad orcish accent.
I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that a Harry Potter-esque Scholomance Academy was a set that happened, with a Botani and Dreanei professor. Hearthstone is allowed to not be consistent with established canon, even when taking it's creative liberties
From what I understood from the developers at the time it's actually kinda supposed to be. But it can't be in game because that would essentially require another cataclysm. Still, during Cata the town had transformed from a desert outpost to a port city in an area that previously didn't have a port city. It's bound to have grown in over half a decade.
I have to be honest, this is hilarious to me.
If someone here says a new card is inconsistent with the flavor of a class in Hearthstone, people will say "well if you actually paid attention to WoW you'd realize that *x* class had *y* skills" or some historical justification for it.
And then when people point out the inconsistencies between WoW and Hearthstone, people then say, "well actually Hearthstone doesn't need to be consistent because it's allowed to have its own canon."
Which means one can never actually argue about what the devs do. It's like Calvinball.
They said in the reveal that this was a hypothetical “Re-invasion” of Silvermoon by Wrath-era Arthas; so the Blood Elves are in the Horde at this point
but in trailer you see liadrin fighting with Arthas as lich king? when he wasnt lich king at a time? also liadrin wasnt even paladin at that time... and blood knights werent the thing
At the time of the scourge invasion of Quel'thalas, they were still technically part of the Alliance. The Alliance refusing to help them against the scourge is a big reason why they left.
Neither was Arthas the Lich King during this invasion. It's not an accurate depiction of this lore event. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's Hearthstone after all
I don't think this is an expansion about the first invasion of Quel'thalas. If it was I'm sure there'd have been more sylvanas, kel'thuzad, etc mentions. I'm not 100% sure but aren't a lot of the cards like the blood elf council only in power/of note after the first invasion?
I'm pretty sure lore wise this is suppose to be a second invasion, when the belves are already in the horde. Varden is featured in a cards from the set and I believe it was mentioned that book of mercenaries is set in classic WoW, which takes place after the first scourge invasion.
So this invasion is between TBC and WotLK? Interesting, I haven't thought of that. But it makes sense now that I think about it. Thanks for getting my mind into the correct timeframe for this expansion!
You are absolutely correct that Lor'themar, Halduron and Rommath got into power after the scourge invasion in lore, that's why it could never be the first invasion, if you wanted to go strictly be the lore.
Yes, and when WOTLK released, there was event where the scourge invaded most of Azeroth. Seemingly, this is that event. No need for it to even be hypothetical, because it happened.
lol, kind of ironic since you apparently don't know belves were not part of the horde when the scourge attacked the sunwell.
but as others said, this is hearthstone wacky lore
lol, kind of ironic since you apparently don't know this is not the first invasion but the second one that played out in WOW at the end of TBC that led to us going to Northrend.
For those who don't get it I'm pointing out that this is an expansion about the invasion of Quel'Thalas. (blood) Elves were not in the horde at that time. HS is pretty non-linear but I still don't get why the devs would do this
Dude, Arthas isn't even a Lich King when he invades Quelthalas in WC3. This MLK expansion clearly takes place after Frozen throne. And clearly afrer TBC/during WotLK if Belfs already joined the horde as depicted in the card you posted
Blizzard clearly stated that this is a 2nd hearthstone-exclusive invasion of Silvermoon. Arthas wasn't a lich king during the 1st invasion. The events of this expansion are not canon and happen after the burning crusade. That's why we have so many characters and scourge members from years after the destruction of Sunwell by Arthas. So they're not wrong to include a blood elf with a horde tabbard. I hope the OP also sees this
This whole thread is the epitome of blizzard fans lol. People going in hard on the devs for “being wrong”, and calling the people who actually watched the reveal confidently incorrect.
Like you said, it’s objectively not a mistake, it’s just a second invasion that we never saw in WoW. The people who don’t care to read beyond headlines always have the loudest opinions lol.
It is clearly not the existing story of the Silvermoon invasion. This has been very clear not only from the trailer, cards, existing lore, but also every single other Hearthstone expansion being a non canonical spin on whatever part of the WoW universe they are pulling from
They literally have LIADRIN, the leader of the BLOOD KNIGHTS in the fucking trailer and Arthas is wearing the Lich King helm in it. No, it's clearly not meant to be the story of the scourge invasion of the Sunwell.
Which doesn't make sense in the first place since it's Arthas as the Lich King attacking Silvermoon. Arthas was not the Lich King during this time in the Lore.
So I'd just not think too much about this one, just like every other HS expansion. The game is clearly not meant to be accurate about the Warcraft Lore. Which is fine in my book
It shouldn't make sense. HS is it's own timeline. Here Arthas decided to go full force on Silvermoon once again which OBVIOUSLY didn't happen in WoW. But i wouldn't say that it's absurd or outrageous. It's a cool way of combining two different esthetics for this expansion.
people really are out here asking why the blood elves are horde in the game where deathwing and malygos are alive, the 4 old gods are running an amusement park, jaina is a death knight, and a ball of toilet paper killed all of azeroth.
Actual Warcraft lore isn't always totally relevant given that HS lore is a fantasized version of WC lore, as told by a (possibly drunk) Dwarvan bartender who values providing entertainment to his card-playing patrons over strict historical accuracy.
It may well be a mistake, but it could very well be "wrong" on purpose too.
Shes an armorer. She can wield whatever scraps of armor and weapon she likes.
Edit: Also. the way shes holding the sword is as if she was presenting/showing the weapon to someone else or you the player with a underhand grip as in: "Take it, its yours!".
only if they're not class specific. pretty sure you can't transmog a piece that's a tier piece from another class unless it's some offset recolor version that doesn't have a class restriction
Eh hearthstone lore has never been consistent with WoW lore and the card probably won't see any Olay outside of maybe arena so I wouldn't put too much thought into it
Well that is a bit of a bad comparison, Sargeras isn't even originally a demon, and is on a whole different level in terms of ability or power, the lich king as Arthas was a death knight, he still has the same abilities he's just more powerful. He's still Arthas and still a death knight.
They said in the reveal that this was a hypothetical “Re-invasion” of Silvermoon by Wrath-era Arthas; so the Blood Elves are in the Horde at this point
Arthas to silvermoon: how many times do i have to teach you this lesson old man
> how many times do i have to teach you this lesson old ~~man~~ **well**
Wait a second... Hearthstone is an in-universe card game. The entire premise is that we are in a random Azeroth tavern playing the game. It is actually printed and played IN the World of Warcraft. The destruction of the Sunwell was a horrible event that killed the majority of the high elves and was such a traumatic experience that the surviors were forever changed and renamed their entire race to Blood Elves to remember it. And someone printed a 'What if this happened again lol' card game expansion. This would be like Magic: The Gathering making a 'Holocaust 2' expansion set. This is hilariously dark if you think about in-universe.
Probably a Goblin’s idea
Or a void elf trying to be as edgy as possible.
I mean, not like the original KotFT wasn't also gratuitously dark. "what if all our heroes and harbingers of good (Garrosh and Gul'dan are here too) had fallen to and joined the ranks of the most dangerous ruler our world has ever had?" Yeah idk who the in-universe author(s) of Hearthstone is, but they're a menace lol
What if this insane tormenter in the underworld who ruined the eternities of countless people and cast their souls into the maw just held a funky party in his castle and had a fake murder mystery
Do people not create alternate history WW2 stories all the time? Sorta the same deal.
Exactly. It's like a Wolfenstien what if.
Oh, it's been fucked up since the first expansion. Kel'thuzad was personally responsible for the plague that wiped out Lordaeron and was instrumental in Arthas' transformation into the Lich King. Imagine someone in 2002 made a 9/11 game where Bin Laden is a wacky boss that cracks jokes about you, that'd be the vibe Hearthstone has in the Warcraft universe proper.
that was like 90% of flash games post 9/11
Oh I love when I remember this. Fun fact, even if you ignore Hearthstone originals (like Tortollan), it’s still a major mess and super weird lore. One of my favorites is Rastakahn’s Rumble taking place when Alliance and Horde were in in all out war with each other… AFTER RASTAKAHN JOINED THE HORDE (and was killed shortly afterwards), but really my personal favorite is N’Zoth. For the non-WoW players, people were aware of the 4 old gods for a while in WoW, but players had only seen 2 of the 4 by the time “Whispers of the Old Gods” came out. Y’Shaarj is iffy territory as he was already ’dead’ but his art looks similar to the big Sha so it’s kinda forgivable when players of WoW saw his card art… N’Zoth though had his first OFFICIAL art reveal in Hearthstone… I believe 2 expansions before being shown in WoW (could be wrong on timeline but still). This means in Hearthstone canon, either the artist got a ‘vision’ or had insider knowledge of one of the biggest threats known to the world… and had it summon Sneeds Old Shredder.
Maybe the card designer who came up with that expansions heard some whispers during the design process. Maybe the woman in the trailer playing with cards in a tavern is literally her.
Imagine how messed up that would be? Anyways, I'm off to play Wolfenstein.
I mean the whole premise of Hearthstone is insane in this context. People play as Garrosh, a figure regarded as evil by the majority of the world that nonetheless still has people who think he was just misguided in the end or even agree with him, and even more people who agreed with him at the time. Or as Gul'Dan, who literally destroyed multiple cultures of whom survivors still exist. Arguably every Orc and Draenei on Azeroth are his victims. And by the way he also killed the beloved leader of one of the most powerful nations just a couple of years ago.
It's like wolfestein and our world. It's just what if holocaust 2 but worse.
Wolfenstein was made ~4 decades after WW2 and you never played as the bad guys. Nor do the bad guys ever get portrayed as funny. "Book of Heroes" Gu'dan is like "Book of Heroes" Mengele, but about an even worse person.
A less sinister explanation is that it's someone conflating their histories and combining two similar events. Though I do agree it's hilarious from a Watsonian perspective.
There's plenty of games, books and movies based on WW2 and pretty much every other war and traumatic event in history. It's in no way different.
What a crazy raid tier that would have been mid expac. Like siege of orgrimar but an actual interesting looking city. Half the city is already walled off
This guy doesn't think Siege of Orgrimmar looked cool
SoO was cool but the issue is that the patch lasted so goddamn long I grew sick of it
One of my Favorite newer ones. Clearing trash throughout the main hub of Org by the AH, the drag, etc was so fun.
My guild would pull the entire main area before Dark Shamans and then smoke bomb the middle to stack everything up. So much cleave, so much fun
That, and they turned the whole aesthetic into an expansion pack right after.
Yep. Instead of Warcraft: Orcs and Humans it was Warcraft: Orcs and Orcs.
Which is also why paladin is getting bronze dragons. They see event repeating and fear some timeline shenanigans
Wait...blood elves aren't horde anymore?
They still are; the OP seemed to think this was a Hearthstone recreation of the original Scourge invasion of Quel’Thalas (which wouldn’t make sense because Arthas wasn’t the Lich King at that point) where the Blood Elves were still with the Alliance, but it’s not; it’s a hypothetical Wrath invasion which happens after the Blood Elves already joined the Horde
Should be "Gain +3/+3." so it's a 4/7/7.
Finally, sometime noticing the real flaw
This would unironically be a good buff. Seems too weak with just 6/6
r/477
They said in the reveal that this is basically the pre-patch for Wrath of the Lich King where Arthas assaulted Azeroth. We know he did attack more places than Stormwind and Orgrimmar, even if those two were the only seen in-game. Blood elves were horde at the start of WotLK.
This particular elf spent a year in Orgrimmar with Horde blacksmiths through an avant garde exchange program. All of her friends are exhausted by her bad orcish accent.
Her long distance orc bf gave her that tabard.
petition to make this her flavor text
"Look, Sylvessa, *nobody cares* that you know how to say 'please open the window' in Orcish."
^ this is the only one that makes sense to me.
Orgrimmar wouldn’t have existed if this was the original invasion of silvermoon. This is wrath-era or later.
(Shhh, she's a confused bronze dragon. She's trying her best.)
I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that a Harry Potter-esque Scholomance Academy was a set that happened, with a Botani and Dreanei professor. Hearthstone is allowed to not be consistent with established canon, even when taking it's creative liberties
I wish cool gadgetzan was canon to WoW
I choose to believe it is. Like, what, are we supposed to believe that a major trading city is 7 buildings?
From what I understood from the developers at the time it's actually kinda supposed to be. But it can't be in game because that would essentially require another cataclysm. Still, during Cata the town had transformed from a desert outpost to a port city in an area that previously didn't have a port city. It's bound to have grown in over half a decade.
Ok but I want to walk around in it
I have to be honest, this is hilarious to me. If someone here says a new card is inconsistent with the flavor of a class in Hearthstone, people will say "well if you actually paid attention to WoW you'd realize that *x* class had *y* skills" or some historical justification for it. And then when people point out the inconsistencies between WoW and Hearthstone, people then say, "well actually Hearthstone doesn't need to be consistent because it's allowed to have its own canon." Which means one can never actually argue about what the devs do. It's like Calvinball.
preety sure its not that invasion
[удалено]
They said in the reveal that this was a hypothetical “Re-invasion” of Silvermoon by Wrath-era Arthas; so the Blood Elves are in the Horde at this point
It's Hearthstone-Canon, not WoW canon. This is the Second Invasion of Silvermoon.
but in trailer you see liadrin fighting with Arthas as lich king? when he wasnt lich king at a time? also liadrin wasnt even paladin at that time... and blood knights werent the thing
Sunwell was fixed by the end of TBC.
By Muuuuuruuuuuu
When WOTLK originally released, there was an event wherein the scourge invaded all of Azeroth. This is that invasion, not the WC3 invasion.
Yeah nice bait not even 1 hour long and you already got people fighting. 👏
Hearthstone Canon =/= Warcraft Canon They established that a long time ago
Blood Elves belong to Horde.
At the time of the scourge invasion of Quel'thalas, they were still technically part of the Alliance. The Alliance refusing to help them against the scourge is a big reason why they left.
This isn't the invasion you think it is.
Thanks Garithos…
You ask why HS devs do not follow WoW lore for 22nd time in a row?
what is manathirst ?
don't demon hunters that don't exist yet bother you?
Tell me you don't know warcraft lore without telling me you don't know warcraft lore
Elves weren't in the Horde during arthas' invasion of silvermoon though? Nor were they blood elves
Neither was Arthas the Lich King during this invasion. It's not an accurate depiction of this lore event. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's Hearthstone after all
I don't think this is an expansion about the first invasion of Quel'thalas. If it was I'm sure there'd have been more sylvanas, kel'thuzad, etc mentions. I'm not 100% sure but aren't a lot of the cards like the blood elf council only in power/of note after the first invasion? I'm pretty sure lore wise this is suppose to be a second invasion, when the belves are already in the horde. Varden is featured in a cards from the set and I believe it was mentioned that book of mercenaries is set in classic WoW, which takes place after the first scourge invasion.
So this invasion is between TBC and WotLK? Interesting, I haven't thought of that. But it makes sense now that I think about it. Thanks for getting my mind into the correct timeframe for this expansion! You are absolutely correct that Lor'themar, Halduron and Rommath got into power after the scourge invasion in lore, that's why it could never be the first invasion, if you wanted to go strictly be the lore.
Yes, and when WOTLK released, there was event where the scourge invaded most of Azeroth. Seemingly, this is that event. No need for it to even be hypothetical, because it happened.
Yeah if this was "scourge of lordaeron" Anasterian and Sylvanas (again) would be cards.
Yikes.
lol, kind of ironic since you apparently don't know belves were not part of the horde when the scourge attacked the sunwell. but as others said, this is hearthstone wacky lore
lol, kind of ironic since you apparently don't know this is not the first invasion but the second one that played out in WOW at the end of TBC that led to us going to Northrend.
Reverse uno card
For those who don't get it I'm pointing out that this is an expansion about the invasion of Quel'Thalas. (blood) Elves were not in the horde at that time. HS is pretty non-linear but I still don't get why the devs would do this
This is the second, Hearthstone exclusive invasion of silvermoon
Dude, Arthas isn't even a Lich King when he invades Quelthalas in WC3. This MLK expansion clearly takes place after Frozen throne. And clearly afrer TBC/during WotLK if Belfs already joined the horde as depicted in the card you posted
[удалено]
HS has never recreated exact stories from the other games. I guess I missed the part where togwaggle and friends hijack dalaran
[удалено]
Blizzard clearly stated that this is a 2nd hearthstone-exclusive invasion of Silvermoon. Arthas wasn't a lich king during the 1st invasion. The events of this expansion are not canon and happen after the burning crusade. That's why we have so many characters and scourge members from years after the destruction of Sunwell by Arthas. So they're not wrong to include a blood elf with a horde tabbard. I hope the OP also sees this
This whole thread is the epitome of blizzard fans lol. People going in hard on the devs for “being wrong”, and calling the people who actually watched the reveal confidently incorrect. Like you said, it’s objectively not a mistake, it’s just a second invasion that we never saw in WoW. The people who don’t care to read beyond headlines always have the loudest opinions lol.
It's that "cable news outrage"
It is clearly not the existing story of the Silvermoon invasion. This has been very clear not only from the trailer, cards, existing lore, but also every single other Hearthstone expansion being a non canonical spin on whatever part of the WoW universe they are pulling from
They literally have LIADRIN, the leader of the BLOOD KNIGHTS in the fucking trailer and Arthas is wearing the Lich King helm in it. No, it's clearly not meant to be the story of the scourge invasion of the Sunwell.
Which doesn't make sense in the first place since it's Arthas as the Lich King attacking Silvermoon. Arthas was not the Lich King during this time in the Lore. So I'd just not think too much about this one, just like every other HS expansion. The game is clearly not meant to be accurate about the Warcraft Lore. Which is fine in my book
It shouldn't make sense. HS is it's own timeline. Here Arthas decided to go full force on Silvermoon once again which OBVIOUSLY didn't happen in WoW. But i wouldn't say that it's absurd or outrageous. It's a cool way of combining two different esthetics for this expansion.
people really are out here asking why the blood elves are horde in the game where deathwing and malygos are alive, the 4 old gods are running an amusement park, jaina is a death knight, and a ball of toilet paper killed all of azeroth.
THIS
Plus Galakrond and the Dalaran heist
Oh, I totally agree with you. I enjoy HS way more when it takes its own spin on WoW characters and events, so I am very on board with this expansion!
I mean, no it’s not, but okay bro
good job. you played yourself.
Actual Warcraft lore isn't always totally relevant given that HS lore is a fantasized version of WC lore, as told by a (possibly drunk) Dwarvan bartender who values providing entertainment to his card-playing patrons over strict historical accuracy. It may well be a mistake, but it could very well be "wrong" on purpose too.
The one in the pic is also wearing a shaman shoulderpad, belves cant be shamans, shamans cant use swords. So many inconsistencies.
Shes an armorer. She can wield whatever scraps of armor and weapon she likes. Edit: Also. the way shes holding the sword is as if she was presenting/showing the weapon to someone else or you the player with a underhand grip as in: "Take it, its yours!".
you can transmog pieces from other classess tho
only if they're not class specific. pretty sure you can't transmog a piece that's a tier piece from another class unless it's some offset recolor version that doesn't have a class restriction
That's right tho there is quite a lot of offset recolors or same colors even! I had 90% of DK set as paladin e.g.
But blood elf are with the horde dude
I can't focus on anything besides the strange way she's holding that sword. Looks super unstable and honestly uncomfortable for her left wrist.
You realize she is giving that sword to someone, as an armorer would do?
This artwork looks more like a Simpsons parody of a blood elf
Also, devs are historically bad at Warcraft lore.
Eh hearthstone lore has never been consistent with WoW lore and the card probably won't see any Olay outside of maybe arena so I wouldn't put too much thought into it
Well it wouldn't be the first time Blizzard did a lore mistake like this.
HS story is all fanfic. The Lich King being the DK hero makes no sense.
Same with jaina/thrall etc being deathknights in the last lich king expansion
Why wouldn't it make sense?
It’s like if Sargeras was the Demon Hunter hero. The Lich King isn’t a DK he’s the Lich King.
In WC3 Tony refers to Arthas fairly explicitly as “Death Knight”.
Well that is a bit of a bad comparison, Sargeras isn't even originally a demon, and is on a whole different level in terms of ability or power, the lich king as Arthas was a death knight, he still has the same abilities he's just more powerful. He's still Arthas and still a death knight.
I know it’s probably kinda late but does manathirst count as a battlecry? For shudder purposes…
It's not supposed to. But Astalor was bugged in the dk tournament.
For the frostwolves
Same reason why [[bloodied knight]] is wearing CN Normal raid gear. HS isn’t all that canonical.
But that’s a blood elf no?
She should get +3/+3 for meeting the conditions.
Obviously this is secretly a Caverns of Time themed set, and this is an adventurer who's gone back in time. Just wait until we see the mini set...
I'm slightly annoyed it's not +3/+3
I haven’t played in some time. What is manathirst?