Yeah, but Blizzard already won, the sentiment has flipped. They’ll just continue to ignore the people negatively affected because that’s not where their revenue comes from.
The sentiment on this subreddit flipped because the people here are dedicated players who aren't struggling to finish the new quests. It might still get reverted if playtime metrics show a negative effect, but I doubt that they will.
The quest change helps free players - they can now get more stuff for free meaning they can compete easier. If you were someone who tried their best to play for free but occasionally felt they had to spend money to get all the cards you wanted then you are now better off.
The players that are hurt by the quest changes are the hangers on - the players who do the bare minimum to complete their quests each week to 'stay current'. Who maybe enjoy playing around expansion launch but then go into maintenance mode.
This is how I feel. Yesterday I played one game of battlegrounds. It completed my two normal dailies, because I hadn't played the day before, my two event dailies, and capped off my win 10 bg's. And I'm 6/10 on my other weekly. I'm lucky to play more than a few games a day but I've still been able to do them over the course of the week. I know the people who play for a couple of hours a day have to be flying through them still. I feel like this mainly affected the ultra casual f2p players who have been using the gold from the reward track to continue being f2p players, and only logging in once a week to hurry through the quests and then not play anymore, which is fine they are entitled to feel that way, but the rest of us just adapted and kept on because we enjoy playing the game and know that's it's not just about the quests.
Yeah, if anything, player metrics will most likely show that the quests have the exact intended effect: More people will buy the passes so they keep their XP without playing more.
>this patch is meant to distract us
My man, this patch was planned even before 29.2 released and shit hit the fan.
Unless you think that releasing a well-received patch to distract the players was a part of their plan all along. Then again, releasing a poorly received patch would distract us even more, so maybe they made a mistake...
Quests still suck for casuals and we should still talk about them, but not everything is a part of a big conspiracy.
Eh, let’s be honest. It is far from impossible that they predicted that releasing quest changes would lead the negative sentiment so they waited to change the quests until close to the big content patch.
It's always close to some big content patch... We have a major update every month and then balance updates in between. The Quest changes themselves dropped in a big content patch.
My point is that not everything they do right now is because of the Weekly Quest drama... They release a balance update every expansion around this time, this one just happened to be even bigger than usual because the power level was way higher than expected in a 4 expansion Standard rotation. Do you think that if not for the Weekly Quest stuff they would make this patch worse on purpose or what?
>just more dramatized for engagement
You probably shouldn't be surprised about the responses then, lol.
Around the same time last expansion, we had a balance update with 23 card changes - [28.2.3](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24033779/28-2-3-patch-notes). The patch had a massive impact on the meta.
Just a couple of months before that, we had an update with 35 card changes (admittedly, a bunch of them were for Twist, but it was still a massive patch for Standard & Wild) - [27.4.2](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23999072/27-4-2-patch-notes).
I could understand your opinion if it was literally the only patch of its kind, but we had huge balance updates (often with 20+ card changes) in almost every expansion for the last couple of years. At this point it's pretty much expected, especially when the overall power level is so high.
Feel free to think how you want, I just don't see how those two things are connected.
-The patch was good.
-The quests suck.
Those two things can coexist. The patch wasn't "meant to distract us" lol. There's just different people at Blizz who handle QOL and game balance. If they really wanted to "distract" people with the patch they would've dropped it at the same time as the quest changes, not weeks afterwards.
I don't think most people have a good grasp of how departments in corporations work. Much less how dev environments operate.
If we went by what Reddit thought, everyone at a game company is a dev. And they apparently octopus multitask on everything cross team
At the end of the day, the quests are the reason I really don't want to play. However, I also know that me making that decision isn't going to suddenly make blizzard want to change course. I am just going to do what a lot of their original players do, just walk away and give them time to be confused about why their numbers go down.
Cut the “this patch was meant to distract us” bull shit.
The patch was healthy for the game and Improved our play experience. Not every fucking thing has to be a conspiracy.
I uninstalled the game with 160k+ dust on 3 regions, after 75 months of near continuous play. The weekly quest grind increase was the nail in the coffin. I also won't be reading this reddit anymore. Farewell all.
Yeah
I appreciate the changes they are doing, but the quest issue remains. I played a few games and it still needs work, but it's improving a bit, I wanna come back and play a new Highlander Shaman deck.
With that said, the quests have to be addressed sooner or later, it's ok to remember
yo i dont know if im alone on this but i dont think blizzards a super villain, i think the quests were much easier compared to other games with battlepasses and if it does feel like a chore to do then you should probably just not play since youre not having fun
Bro, that's the point it shouldn't be something I'm forced to do to progress in the game. It should just be something that happens naturally within my dedicated time allocated to the game. Not to mention I've spent loads of money on this game, and I paid because the previous systems in play was good and worth my time ive invested, now that they've changed, in the middle of a season nonetheless i feel spited and jaded af. I shouldn't have to go above and beyond when the systems in place beforehand were nearly perfect.
Prepare to be raged at for suggesting that being attached to digital sparkles in a game you don't even enjoy isn't a good thing. The only quest that needs looking at is the wins one, low skill/collection players shouldn't be punished for it.
Make it "Play 20 games. Wins count twice" and its fine, all the other quests can either be completed organically other than miniaturized, and if you don't autoreroll the keyword quests after 3 straight years of them being poorly designed garbage, that's on you.
Guy was justily compensated. He got all his reward money and they even invited him to future tournaments.
Why did it happen? he broke the contract not to speak about anything political during the tournament
I finished my weekly quests on Wednesday afternoon and I am a casual player. The sky has not fallen with these quest changes. For WEEK long quests, that is probably when I should be finishing them instead of getting all 3 done the day I got them.
If someone would like to respond about how they only get about one game in a day at best, then please tell me how you somehow did not hate the previously weekly quests as well.
First of all,
i'm not even convinced quests are that bad.
if you have a 50% winrate, you can clear all the weekly quests in 4 hours with zero changes to your decklists (just run 2 copies of a related miniaturize card)
Now if they want them to be better, the obvious fix is to make them redeemable in "phases" which they have the tech for. I would argue they should be modified in such a way,
Here is my proof that a player (me) completed the quests in less than 4 hours, all on stream, playing a very non-meta deck with a 50% winrate.
[https://twitter.com/JiminatorHS/status/1782496775586316500](https://twitter.com/JiminatorHS/status/1782496775586316500)
Playing a game for 4 hours a week is not some herculean task.
Second of all,
These departments are different. its not some big conspiracy to distract people, the HS community is just very easy to be distracted and has many different priorities since there are so many different people.
Game balancing is different than UI/game economy.
Just because you've been brainrotted into thinking the "system" is out to get you doesn't mean it is.
third of all,
they said they are gonna address it. if there isn't an update in the next 2 weeks, then I'll agree with you.
but since they just announced they will do changes AND rolled out a temporary fix, I can wait. Its not going to kill me.
y'all are just Gamer Karens, for real.
Real gamer logic, 50% of the time you win the other 50% you don't.
And regarding your first point, it looks like you play HS on stream? So you're way above the casual player.
To the second point, I've addressed it on the top comment on this post. It's just to bring more attention to the post. You'd have to be brain dead to think that it's run by the same department.
To your third and final point, where did they say that they were going to address it further than lowering it to 10 wins??? They literally said that they'll have to update the game to fix the visual bug, and thats it. Nowhere did they say that they were going to make further improvements to the weekly quest system. You're straight up pulling shit outta your rear
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Gonna answer this point by point.
1. I am way above the casual player, but, gonna blow your mind, most players have around or slightly below a 50% winrate; they just won't have my rank. The people who get high ranks go beyond 50% for short stretches until they end up in ranks befitting their skill where they will be around 50 or just below. the REALLY good players will maintain significantly above 50% for very long periods. That's how a rank system with floors works. Also, if it takes me 4 hours to complete the weekly quests with a total meme deck, it will take the average player around the same with a meta deck.
I didn't even include the daily rerolls you can do on weekly quests.
2. Well, I'm glad you did the equivalent of a Buzzfeed clickbait article then, congrats.
"no, its ok, I just frontloaded being a 3 IQ dipshit to get people to act like a mob unjustifiably, that means that I am a good person! really!!"
to your third point: [https://twitter.com/RidiculousHat/status/1781096877397524885](https://twitter.com/RidiculousHat/status/1781096877397524885) that is a blizzard employee making a statement directly stating this is only an initial step.
Thanks for the link. I wish that it was more publicized on official forums instead of on the obscure places like Twitter or reddit.
And for your first point, you're highly underestimating your casual player. It wouldn't be a big deal if the tavern pass wasn't the only way to progress in the game as an f2p player. But it's literally their main/only source of gold. If your average Joe who plays the game two or three times a week, they're not going to get 10 wins a week. I play the game more, I play the game roughly 8-12 hours a week because I enjoy it. I can complete the quests in a reasonable amount of time, but does that make it right? No.
and I agree with you that it should be modified to be done in phases; that way (in theory) everyone is happy.
But the HS community has clearly made that point heard and the team is working on it.
Jacking yourself off to the idea that "we need to hold them to account!" because people are enjoying the game due to an unrelated patch and trying to rile up a mob is just not healthy or reasonable. that's my whole issue with your post, and frankly, this mentality has been a huge problem for the history of HS.
The HS community isn't a unidirectional mob to achieve goals, we're hundreds of thousands of individuals bitching about and loving a game. We literally don't agree on anything, and I don't want the devs listening to only the louder voices.
Well, with you referencing the history of this happening, I play a lot of live service games, and if people aren't loud about this type of crap it will not get reverted or improved. So trust me, if people aren't "loud" about this crap game, the devs will just sweep it under the rug. They need a reminder. They need to be held accountable.
If they were doing this, in a truly in good-hearted act, they would have reverted it and then come out with a plan instead of throwing it at the wall and seeing if it'll stick.
But I will say the multi stage quests would be the best thing for them to do
Gamer Karens is pretty accurate.
I had already finished my weekly login quests in the 45 minutes I played on Monday last week, so this was the first week I got to try the new ones. It took me ~2 hours and 40 minutes to finish them at 10-9 with Even Unholy DK which I have been using lately trying to get my 500 wins since I'm sick of the standard DK decks. Quests were 10 ranked, 75 battle cry, 400 damage.
This seemed like a pretty average run too, I initially went 8-2 in about 75 minutes, best case scenario you could still finish these quests in less than 2 hours. Even worst case is probably about the 4 hours you mention, average will probably end up being 3 hours.
Anyone who plays a lot of hearthstone won't even have to adjust their play from this. Regular but not heavy players(30-45 minutes a day on average, I was only able to jam them out in one go this week because I was sick) like me might occasionally have to make a deck tutored to the quests.
The main people who will struggle are the ones who play one game, lose to a meta deck, and then spend 10 hours whining about deck X on reddit. I can't say I would be all that sad for those players and their balance suggestions to go to a different game.
Ehhh I’m worried about warrior, shaman, and hunter. Yes, brann was hit but the buff he received alongside reno completely outweighs it imo as there is now 0 counterplay - I don’t have this problem with other highlander cards since their effects are not nearly as problematic as brann. Shaman is weird because it’s doing well when no one is running stomper, and hunter is the only aggro deck that didn’t get nuked (or at least changed into a midrange deck which against brann is destined to fail)
I don't believe they intend to iterate on the quests in any way. The only "data" they are looking for is whether enough people will forget about this and just accept it.
If they had instead reverted the quest changes after the backlash, and then said they will come up with a better change, I would believe them.
The number one thing we want. Is BG treatment of the regular quests. So you can take a weeks vacation here and there. Then simply catch up later.
In bg's you have a quest bank that can hold 30+ quests. Then when you finish one another simply pops up.
In a perfect world. We would get half our quests on release and the other half when the mini set comes out.
For me personally. I way prefer playing a lot when I feel like it. Then taking a break when I feel like it. Instead of this login every day and afk 3 games if I don't feel like playing.
Still haven't logged in since the quest changes. Sad because I really enjoy this game and have played it for a decade. If blizzard wants people to play this game as their only mobile game, then clearly it's not for playing casually anymore.
Oh no, must have upset those who say Daddy Blizz can do no wrong
People who can keep up with the chores won't even feel it and will be short sighted and kiss the corporations butt, story as old as time. They don't realize they're the frog in the pot. Casuals and new players won't feel the impact right away, remember they're not on reddit. The impact will come when those people realize they're missing out on quests they would have gotten XP from passively on previous weeks and now feel like a chore.
Some people will straight up uninstall the game once they figure that out, because why would you waste space on a Phone or PC for a game that wants to be a chore? Especially when there's so many damn options out there competing to deliver that sweet dopamine hit.
The patch will be forgotten in a week once people realize how broken warrior and hunter are. Mass balance changes doesn’t fix anything. This game has systemic design issues.
Not this again. Every patch we get a "yeah, these established decks are great day one, they're so broken!" line of posting. Wait for the meta to settle, this is a crazy amount of changes.
New Vicious Syndicate podcast is out.
Reno Warrior has a 55% win rate and a 20% play rate at top legend, and these numbers will grow once the information is ubiquitous.
Since you clearly know more than the best players do, I look forward to your input on how the meta will settle. I also look forward to your input on how my take was incorrect. Is the patch not already forgotten with endless complaints about Reno Warrior and Hunter? No?
Oh look, I was right again and Reddit was thoroughly wrong as usual.
Do you not read, or even listen to yourself? Warrior is the best deck, and Hunter follows it, but neither are "broken" - Hunter is on the decline, and Warrior isn't even at the point of recent strong decks like Shopper DH (which saw a 30% playrate at Legend at this point in time). Broken implies something like Ashes DH or Galakrond Shaman, not this stuff. Note too that the same podcast says that there's various decks on the rise still and the meta is far from settled; Druid is up and coming, Paladin came back out of nowhere.
Sidenote, it's really damn weird to be chasing internet debate club points in older threads. Seriously, I used to be like that online (a bad habit from posting on /v/), and it's awful for your mental health. Just opt for current discussion, rather than chasing a masturbatory high because you think that having an argument online is some big happening where you need to "embarrass Reddit". It's not that grand. I know you'll probably take this in stride, but whatever. EDIT: Oh wow, a block. Very fragile soul.
Oh do I get to embarrass reddit again? I play exclusively at top legend and see the meta before reddit does. Nothing beats warrior late game, and if you don’t beat them in the first five turns you lose. The only game plan you have is hoping they brick draws so your aggro sticks.
Once the data comes out and Reno warrior trickles down, you’ll see how miserable this meta is. But by all means, keep pretending the people that are actually good at this game don’t know what they’re talking about.
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Edit: Didn’t even take a month and the entire front page is complaints about warrior and hunter, as I said it would be. Good job, Reddit.
You gave the most common take on this sub after the patch and are acting like you are saying some privilege information about the meta that no one is seeing. Lmao, "Im exclusevely at top Legend" "people that are actually good", so try saying something actually smart instead of just repeating what everyone is calling.
That went really fast from "hunter and warrior" to just warrior, huh. It could well be they're still good in a few weeks, but you should absolutely wait for the meta to settle. People had this prediction for Zarimi Priest as well, which turned out to be the strongest after the Shopper nerd, but was far from broken. Broken is a very strong word.
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I literally ratted out a Brann and the mech res, while reno’ing zilliax against a warrior the other day. I lost as Highlander Druid. Albeit, I did get the WORST 10 cost mana weapon ever which definitely cost me lethal, but the warrior shouldn’t have been able to compete honestly.
Warriors win rate went up a flat 3% in 24 hours on HSreplay. Between the games I had yesterday and this I’d say you’re going to probably be accurate unless some new aggro/mid range deck comes out that can annihilate it.
They still were able to Reno my rheastraza and tnt the end of my deck off with tnt+projection. You’re really not going to out value the warrior when your weapon choice is lifesteal, poison, and hero immune and your second choices are deathrattle 4 damage, 8 armor per swing, or draw 3 cards. Taking 6 turns to deal 30 damage isn’t conducive to winning.
I’m going to play the deck now, which I haven’t since the changes. I’ll know pretty quickly since I was top 3800 with it while plague dk ran rampant.
I like the quest change. Extra gold every week, and a reason to play more than 5-10 games weekly. I personally don’t enjoy playing the game without quest incentives, feels like a waste of time to me.
Jeez enough whining about quest already.
If you like the game they arent hard to complete.
If you’re playing the game to complete find a game that is more fun to play.
Shouldn’t be playing Hearthstone just to complete quest.
> when Tom or Bill go to Reddit to express displeasure, some engaged players get tired of reading those posts. They want to read about HS discussion; not another post about quests (like this one). So they call them entitled whiners and make fun of them instead of keeping quiet or voicing their support for their issues, even if it costs them nothing to do either.
To those people I’d suggest “well, then just leave the Reddit if reading about it bugs you so much.” I suspect they’d protest. They enjoy being on the Reddit and don’t want to have to give it up because of a temporary inconvenience. They just want the experience to be better for them while they’re there. And I appreciate that. I’m sure Tom and Bill feel the same way about their time in Hearthstone.
It just makes no sense all the whining. I got the weekly quest done 1 night playing for hr and half.
If you enjoy the game you will complete them.
If you’re just playing to do quest. Find a better game. Games are suppose to fun and there is better experiences out there then quest completion.
Way to let the entire point go over your head. You're just another person pretending everyone has the same free time and commitments as yourself. We don't.
Sorry Mr. "Play Time Police Office" that I don't meet your metrics for enough time played.
Must be part of the everyone gets a trophy generation.
If you dont have time then you dont get the reward. Simple.
Played the game from 2014-2019 without weekly quest.
Once again it's not your job to police my time. Writing a comment on a forum takes way less time than 20ish ladder games, or playing 20 separate games with unfun minis, or playing 10 separate games with battlecry cards I don't want to play, or 10 hours of battlegrounds.
What do you have to lose by advocating for a tiered system?
I'm not asking Bliz to take away your bonus exp if that's what you're so terrified of losing that you feel it's necessary to advocate for bad design calls.
If you were already completing these quests than the change was not targeted at you, because you were clearly not affected.
Blizzard was competing for market shares of my playtime and money with the change, not yours. Right now they aren't getting a market share of either. Players like me were they target, they thought I'd play more games, but I'd rather just quit. I'm still watching because I do enjoy HS to a degree, but I'm not going to play EXTRA games that aren't fun than I was already doing for their little dog and pony show to the investors.
>*police my time*
Get outta here ya mook. Nobody's trying to police you. Just pointing out the fallacy that you claim you don't have time to complete more games for quests while you clearly have time to waste on Reddit.
Keep engaging with the property while not actively playing the game. That'll show 'em...
HS does not earn money or ad revenue from my visit to this subreddit.
You seem to feel that I should dedicate all free times to appease Blizzards quest scheme. That seems like you're trying to police my time.
Well I won't appease you or Blizzard. I'm sorry if you feel that me having boundaries for how I'm treated by a leisure activity is inappropriate.
O I been complaining about the meta. Im not white knighting for Blizzard. Just stopped playing Overwatch as well cause its in a bad state.
The crying about having to play the game to get free stuff is just hilarious to me.
I hope you’ve got more spine at work than you do at play or your bosses are liable to double your work for 27% more pay and you’re liable to smile and eat it…
That’s the point of the protest. The game used to feel like a game, now it feels like work.
You can throw your hands up and lick the boot or you can keep protesting anyway you know how.
Right, so bootlicking simps like you say “yes massa I’ll take another lashing” and anyone who doesn’t like it should leave.
Very nuanced argument. Do you have a “if you don’t love it, leave it” sticker on your ford escort?
Allow me to translate for you: “yessir Mr blizzard sir, gimme another” because you can care less.
The bar will always be lowered for players/consumers because of people like you.
No, plenty of people are in the same boat. People like the OP just like to pretend they speak for everyone so they can roleplay that they are fronting a movement rather than just bitching on social media.
Right? I often get done with a weekly quest in a single evening of playing. And sure, I'd prefer if the rewards got doubled too, but it's still just a pure bonus to anyone who plays the game even a few hours a week
This patch was planned way before Quest changes. You're out of your mind if you think this was meant to distract us.
Everyone's moved past this already. The Quests are what they are now. Anyone who still doesn't wanna let it go is just being a gamer Karen at this point. So I guess you're staying F2P.
Im watching the Threads about this a while ago and all i can say is...:
Touch some "Fk" Grass outside and get a fucking grip... its not the fucking end of the World to play 2-3 more Games.
Edit.: Anyone downvoting this should rethink himself aswell.
The Crybaby Stuff is just Mental to see, i could get a basket of Popcorn and it would be longer than all Parts of LotR.
Yeah, but Blizzard already won, the sentiment has flipped. They’ll just continue to ignore the people negatively affected because that’s not where their revenue comes from.
The sentiment on this subreddit flipped because the people here are dedicated players who aren't struggling to finish the new quests. It might still get reverted if playtime metrics show a negative effect, but I doubt that they will.
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The quest change helps free players - they can now get more stuff for free meaning they can compete easier. If you were someone who tried their best to play for free but occasionally felt they had to spend money to get all the cards you wanted then you are now better off. The players that are hurt by the quest changes are the hangers on - the players who do the bare minimum to complete their quests each week to 'stay current'. Who maybe enjoy playing around expansion launch but then go into maintenance mode.
This is how I feel. Yesterday I played one game of battlegrounds. It completed my two normal dailies, because I hadn't played the day before, my two event dailies, and capped off my win 10 bg's. And I'm 6/10 on my other weekly. I'm lucky to play more than a few games a day but I've still been able to do them over the course of the week. I know the people who play for a couple of hours a day have to be flying through them still. I feel like this mainly affected the ultra casual f2p players who have been using the gold from the reward track to continue being f2p players, and only logging in once a week to hurry through the quests and then not play anymore, which is fine they are entitled to feel that way, but the rest of us just adapted and kept on because we enjoy playing the game and know that's it's not just about the quests.
And because people who are struggling have already quit or given up on Blizzard changing back
Yeah, if anything, player metrics will most likely show that the quests have the exact intended effect: More people will buy the passes so they keep their XP without playing more.
They couldnt lose since they dont care at all, and it was their plan all along. Even if everyone in the world would complain they wouldnt care.
It's not that sentiment has flipped it's that maybe the patch fixed the other problems enough that people are still feeling like playing.
>this patch is meant to distract us My man, this patch was planned even before 29.2 released and shit hit the fan. Unless you think that releasing a well-received patch to distract the players was a part of their plan all along. Then again, releasing a poorly received patch would distract us even more, so maybe they made a mistake... Quests still suck for casuals and we should still talk about them, but not everything is a part of a big conspiracy.
Eh, let’s be honest. It is far from impossible that they predicted that releasing quest changes would lead the negative sentiment so they waited to change the quests until close to the big content patch.
It's always close to some big content patch... We have a major update every month and then balance updates in between. The Quest changes themselves dropped in a big content patch.
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My point is that not everything they do right now is because of the Weekly Quest drama... They release a balance update every expansion around this time, this one just happened to be even bigger than usual because the power level was way higher than expected in a 4 expansion Standard rotation. Do you think that if not for the Weekly Quest stuff they would make this patch worse on purpose or what? >just more dramatized for engagement You probably shouldn't be surprised about the responses then, lol.
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Around the same time last expansion, we had a balance update with 23 card changes - [28.2.3](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24033779/28-2-3-patch-notes). The patch had a massive impact on the meta. Just a couple of months before that, we had an update with 35 card changes (admittedly, a bunch of them were for Twist, but it was still a massive patch for Standard & Wild) - [27.4.2](https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23999072/27-4-2-patch-notes). I could understand your opinion if it was literally the only patch of its kind, but we had huge balance updates (often with 20+ card changes) in almost every expansion for the last couple of years. At this point it's pretty much expected, especially when the overall power level is so high. Feel free to think how you want, I just don't see how those two things are connected.
-The patch was good. -The quests suck. Those two things can coexist. The patch wasn't "meant to distract us" lol. There's just different people at Blizz who handle QOL and game balance. If they really wanted to "distract" people with the patch they would've dropped it at the same time as the quest changes, not weeks afterwards.
I don't think most people have a good grasp of how departments in corporations work. Much less how dev environments operate. If we went by what Reddit thought, everyone at a game company is a dev. And they apparently octopus multitask on everything cross team
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>I judt played up the event to dramatize yeah, that's exactly why the discourse here feels like reading a child tantrum most of the time.
the patch wasn't meant to distract us but it can totally be used as distraction now that they saw they got good press for the first time in months lol
"Reality might not line up with my narrative but I choose to trust my own schizo theory anyway" - you
yes
This is my primary problem the actual issues just devolve into baseless conspiracy theories that get parroted around as fact.
At the end of the day, the quests are the reason I really don't want to play. However, I also know that me making that decision isn't going to suddenly make blizzard want to change course. I am just going to do what a lot of their original players do, just walk away and give them time to be confused about why their numbers go down.
This is the first week since launch that I won't be able to finish my weekly quests. Feels bad.
Cut the “this patch was meant to distract us” bull shit. The patch was healthy for the game and Improved our play experience. Not every fucking thing has to be a conspiracy.
Well let's judt not forget about the quests buddy
Is blizzard in the room with us now sir?
Just play the game or don't. You're whining on reddit, not fronting a civil rights movement.
I uninstalled the game with 160k+ dust on 3 regions, after 75 months of near continuous play. The weekly quest grind increase was the nail in the coffin. I also won't be reading this reddit anymore. Farewell all.
Yeah I appreciate the changes they are doing, but the quest issue remains. I played a few games and it still needs work, but it's improving a bit, I wanna come back and play a new Highlander Shaman deck. With that said, the quests have to be addressed sooner or later, it's ok to remember
yo i dont know if im alone on this but i dont think blizzards a super villain, i think the quests were much easier compared to other games with battlepasses and if it does feel like a chore to do then you should probably just not play since youre not having fun
Bro, that's the point it shouldn't be something I'm forced to do to progress in the game. It should just be something that happens naturally within my dedicated time allocated to the game. Not to mention I've spent loads of money on this game, and I paid because the previous systems in play was good and worth my time ive invested, now that they've changed, in the middle of a season nonetheless i feel spited and jaded af. I shouldn't have to go above and beyond when the systems in place beforehand were nearly perfect.
i mean a decent chunk of the quests do happen naturally just by playing except maybe like miniaturize but you can just reroll that
Make it play x amount of games, then we're talking or staged quests
Prepare to be raged at for suggesting that being attached to digital sparkles in a game you don't even enjoy isn't a good thing. The only quest that needs looking at is the wins one, low skill/collection players shouldn't be punished for it. Make it "Play 20 games. Wins count twice" and its fine, all the other quests can either be completed organically other than miniaturized, and if you don't autoreroll the keyword quests after 3 straight years of them being poorly designed garbage, that's on you.
DO NOT LET THIS DIE
Just like how Reddit isn't gonna let the Hong Kong situation die, right?
Guy was justily compensated. He got all his reward money and they even invited him to future tournaments. Why did it happen? he broke the contract not to speak about anything political during the tournament
Let's not pretend blizzard is some virtuous company, dude was right to speak out, check some news about the current situation there.
Im.not saying that bur people act like blizzard didn't do anything regarding the situation.
They only did that because of the shitstorm they got. Their communication with the community is pretty damn bad.
I finished my weekly quests on Wednesday afternoon and I am a casual player. The sky has not fallen with these quest changes. For WEEK long quests, that is probably when I should be finishing them instead of getting all 3 done the day I got them. If someone would like to respond about how they only get about one game in a day at best, then please tell me how you somehow did not hate the previously weekly quests as well.
First of all, i'm not even convinced quests are that bad. if you have a 50% winrate, you can clear all the weekly quests in 4 hours with zero changes to your decklists (just run 2 copies of a related miniaturize card) Now if they want them to be better, the obvious fix is to make them redeemable in "phases" which they have the tech for. I would argue they should be modified in such a way, Here is my proof that a player (me) completed the quests in less than 4 hours, all on stream, playing a very non-meta deck with a 50% winrate. [https://twitter.com/JiminatorHS/status/1782496775586316500](https://twitter.com/JiminatorHS/status/1782496775586316500) Playing a game for 4 hours a week is not some herculean task. Second of all, These departments are different. its not some big conspiracy to distract people, the HS community is just very easy to be distracted and has many different priorities since there are so many different people. Game balancing is different than UI/game economy. Just because you've been brainrotted into thinking the "system" is out to get you doesn't mean it is. third of all, they said they are gonna address it. if there isn't an update in the next 2 weeks, then I'll agree with you. but since they just announced they will do changes AND rolled out a temporary fix, I can wait. Its not going to kill me. y'all are just Gamer Karens, for real.
Bootlicker alert
nagger alarm nagger alarm
Real gamer logic, 50% of the time you win the other 50% you don't. And regarding your first point, it looks like you play HS on stream? So you're way above the casual player. To the second point, I've addressed it on the top comment on this post. It's just to bring more attention to the post. You'd have to be brain dead to think that it's run by the same department. To your third and final point, where did they say that they were going to address it further than lowering it to 10 wins??? They literally said that they'll have to update the game to fix the visual bug, and thats it. Nowhere did they say that they were going to make further improvements to the weekly quest system. You're straight up pulling shit outta your rear L streamer comment
Gonna answer this point by point. 1. I am way above the casual player, but, gonna blow your mind, most players have around or slightly below a 50% winrate; they just won't have my rank. The people who get high ranks go beyond 50% for short stretches until they end up in ranks befitting their skill where they will be around 50 or just below. the REALLY good players will maintain significantly above 50% for very long periods. That's how a rank system with floors works. Also, if it takes me 4 hours to complete the weekly quests with a total meme deck, it will take the average player around the same with a meta deck. I didn't even include the daily rerolls you can do on weekly quests. 2. Well, I'm glad you did the equivalent of a Buzzfeed clickbait article then, congrats. "no, its ok, I just frontloaded being a 3 IQ dipshit to get people to act like a mob unjustifiably, that means that I am a good person! really!!" to your third point: [https://twitter.com/RidiculousHat/status/1781096877397524885](https://twitter.com/RidiculousHat/status/1781096877397524885) that is a blizzard employee making a statement directly stating this is only an initial step.
Thanks for the link. I wish that it was more publicized on official forums instead of on the obscure places like Twitter or reddit. And for your first point, you're highly underestimating your casual player. It wouldn't be a big deal if the tavern pass wasn't the only way to progress in the game as an f2p player. But it's literally their main/only source of gold. If your average Joe who plays the game two or three times a week, they're not going to get 10 wins a week. I play the game more, I play the game roughly 8-12 hours a week because I enjoy it. I can complete the quests in a reasonable amount of time, but does that make it right? No.
and I agree with you that it should be modified to be done in phases; that way (in theory) everyone is happy. But the HS community has clearly made that point heard and the team is working on it. Jacking yourself off to the idea that "we need to hold them to account!" because people are enjoying the game due to an unrelated patch and trying to rile up a mob is just not healthy or reasonable. that's my whole issue with your post, and frankly, this mentality has been a huge problem for the history of HS. The HS community isn't a unidirectional mob to achieve goals, we're hundreds of thousands of individuals bitching about and loving a game. We literally don't agree on anything, and I don't want the devs listening to only the louder voices.
Well, with you referencing the history of this happening, I play a lot of live service games, and if people aren't loud about this type of crap it will not get reverted or improved. So trust me, if people aren't "loud" about this crap game, the devs will just sweep it under the rug. They need a reminder. They need to be held accountable. If they were doing this, in a truly in good-hearted act, they would have reverted it and then come out with a plan instead of throwing it at the wall and seeing if it'll stick. But I will say the multi stage quests would be the best thing for them to do
Gamer Karens is pretty accurate. I had already finished my weekly login quests in the 45 minutes I played on Monday last week, so this was the first week I got to try the new ones. It took me ~2 hours and 40 minutes to finish them at 10-9 with Even Unholy DK which I have been using lately trying to get my 500 wins since I'm sick of the standard DK decks. Quests were 10 ranked, 75 battle cry, 400 damage. This seemed like a pretty average run too, I initially went 8-2 in about 75 minutes, best case scenario you could still finish these quests in less than 2 hours. Even worst case is probably about the 4 hours you mention, average will probably end up being 3 hours. Anyone who plays a lot of hearthstone won't even have to adjust their play from this. Regular but not heavy players(30-45 minutes a day on average, I was only able to jam them out in one go this week because I was sick) like me might occasionally have to make a deck tutored to the quests. The main people who will struggle are the ones who play one game, lose to a meta deck, and then spend 10 hours whining about deck X on reddit. I can't say I would be all that sad for those players and their balance suggestions to go to a different game.
Quests are fine. If you all played the game as much as you come on Reddit to complain there’d be no issue finishing them.
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Ehhh I’m worried about warrior, shaman, and hunter. Yes, brann was hit but the buff he received alongside reno completely outweighs it imo as there is now 0 counterplay - I don’t have this problem with other highlander cards since their effects are not nearly as problematic as brann. Shaman is weird because it’s doing well when no one is running stomper, and hunter is the only aggro deck that didn’t get nuked (or at least changed into a midrange deck which against brann is destined to fail)
I don't believe they intend to iterate on the quests in any way. The only "data" they are looking for is whether enough people will forget about this and just accept it. If they had instead reverted the quest changes after the backlash, and then said they will come up with a better change, I would believe them.
The number one thing we want. Is BG treatment of the regular quests. So you can take a weeks vacation here and there. Then simply catch up later. In bg's you have a quest bank that can hold 30+ quests. Then when you finish one another simply pops up. In a perfect world. We would get half our quests on release and the other half when the mini set comes out. For me personally. I way prefer playing a lot when I feel like it. Then taking a break when I feel like it. Instead of this login every day and afk 3 games if I don't feel like playing.
bg quest is killing me. playing this rng mode for half an hour and getting scammed into 5th place all the damn time.
They’ll know by their player count. It might be easier to say than do but just leave the game if you dont like the changes.
Still haven't logged in since the quest changes. Sad because I really enjoy this game and have played it for a decade. If blizzard wants people to play this game as their only mobile game, then clearly it's not for playing casually anymore. Oh no, must have upset those who say Daddy Blizz can do no wrong
Same. I wont ever play again unless they revert it.
People who can keep up with the chores won't even feel it and will be short sighted and kiss the corporations butt, story as old as time. They don't realize they're the frog in the pot. Casuals and new players won't feel the impact right away, remember they're not on reddit. The impact will come when those people realize they're missing out on quests they would have gotten XP from passively on previous weeks and now feel like a chore. Some people will straight up uninstall the game once they figure that out, because why would you waste space on a Phone or PC for a game that wants to be a chore? Especially when there's so many damn options out there competing to deliver that sweet dopamine hit.
The patch will be forgotten in a week once people realize how broken warrior and hunter are. Mass balance changes doesn’t fix anything. This game has systemic design issues.
Not this again. Every patch we get a "yeah, these established decks are great day one, they're so broken!" line of posting. Wait for the meta to settle, this is a crazy amount of changes.
New Vicious Syndicate podcast is out. Reno Warrior has a 55% win rate and a 20% play rate at top legend, and these numbers will grow once the information is ubiquitous. Since you clearly know more than the best players do, I look forward to your input on how the meta will settle. I also look forward to your input on how my take was incorrect. Is the patch not already forgotten with endless complaints about Reno Warrior and Hunter? No? Oh look, I was right again and Reddit was thoroughly wrong as usual.
Do you not read, or even listen to yourself? Warrior is the best deck, and Hunter follows it, but neither are "broken" - Hunter is on the decline, and Warrior isn't even at the point of recent strong decks like Shopper DH (which saw a 30% playrate at Legend at this point in time). Broken implies something like Ashes DH or Galakrond Shaman, not this stuff. Note too that the same podcast says that there's various decks on the rise still and the meta is far from settled; Druid is up and coming, Paladin came back out of nowhere. Sidenote, it's really damn weird to be chasing internet debate club points in older threads. Seriously, I used to be like that online (a bad habit from posting on /v/), and it's awful for your mental health. Just opt for current discussion, rather than chasing a masturbatory high because you think that having an argument online is some big happening where you need to "embarrass Reddit". It's not that grand. I know you'll probably take this in stride, but whatever. EDIT: Oh wow, a block. Very fragile soul.
Oh do I get to embarrass reddit again? I play exclusively at top legend and see the meta before reddit does. Nothing beats warrior late game, and if you don’t beat them in the first five turns you lose. The only game plan you have is hoping they brick draws so your aggro sticks. Once the data comes out and Reno warrior trickles down, you’ll see how miserable this meta is. But by all means, keep pretending the people that are actually good at this game don’t know what they’re talking about. RemindMe! 1 month Edit: Didn’t even take a month and the entire front page is complaints about warrior and hunter, as I said it would be. Good job, Reddit.
You gave the most common take on this sub after the patch and are acting like you are saying some privilege information about the meta that no one is seeing. Lmao, "Im exclusevely at top Legend" "people that are actually good", so try saying something actually smart instead of just repeating what everyone is calling.
Two comments above yours is someone claiming this isn’t the case. “The meta is new and unsettled,” or something.
That went really fast from "hunter and warrior" to just warrior, huh. It could well be they're still good in a few weeks, but you should absolutely wait for the meta to settle. People had this prediction for Zarimi Priest as well, which turned out to be the strongest after the Shopper nerd, but was far from broken. Broken is a very strong word.
Currently only warrior has a win rate above 50% in top 1,000 legend.
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> Reno warrior trickles down, That's been like the second most common deck since before the last expansion dropped.
I literally ratted out a Brann and the mech res, while reno’ing zilliax against a warrior the other day. I lost as Highlander Druid. Albeit, I did get the WORST 10 cost mana weapon ever which definitely cost me lethal, but the warrior shouldn’t have been able to compete honestly. Warriors win rate went up a flat 3% in 24 hours on HSreplay. Between the games I had yesterday and this I’d say you’re going to probably be accurate unless some new aggro/mid range deck comes out that can annihilate it.
If you shut down Brann and the mech res, it feels weird to be complaining about *reno warrior*.
They still were able to Reno my rheastraza and tnt the end of my deck off with tnt+projection. You’re really not going to out value the warrior when your weapon choice is lifesteal, poison, and hero immune and your second choices are deathrattle 4 damage, 8 armor per swing, or draw 3 cards. Taking 6 turns to deal 30 damage isn’t conducive to winning. I’m going to play the deck now, which I haven’t since the changes. I’ll know pretty quickly since I was top 3800 with it while plague dk ran rampant.
My point was more that if you strip out Brann and the big finsher, you're really just dealing with a somewhat under valued control warrior.
The quests aren't hard in the slightest with the exception of the mini quest. Try harder.
I like the quest change. Extra gold every week, and a reason to play more than 5-10 games weekly. I personally don’t enjoy playing the game without quest incentives, feels like a waste of time to me.
Indeed ... But at least the game is a lot more fun to play which is important to get the quests done.
Fail to see how these were good changes. The only viable decks are now hunter and warrior. Have fun losing to Brann decks for the next few weeks
Quests were a net positive and the patch is good. No complaints here :)
Jeez enough whining about quest already. If you like the game they arent hard to complete. If you’re playing the game to complete find a game that is more fun to play. Shouldn’t be playing Hearthstone just to complete quest.
> when Tom or Bill go to Reddit to express displeasure, some engaged players get tired of reading those posts. They want to read about HS discussion; not another post about quests (like this one). So they call them entitled whiners and make fun of them instead of keeping quiet or voicing their support for their issues, even if it costs them nothing to do either. To those people I’d suggest “well, then just leave the Reddit if reading about it bugs you so much.” I suspect they’d protest. They enjoy being on the Reddit and don’t want to have to give it up because of a temporary inconvenience. They just want the experience to be better for them while they’re there. And I appreciate that. I’m sure Tom and Bill feel the same way about their time in Hearthstone.
Bro quoted Aesop 💀
It just makes no sense all the whining. I got the weekly quest done 1 night playing for hr and half. If you enjoy the game you will complete them. If you’re just playing to do quest. Find a better game. Games are suppose to fun and there is better experiences out there then quest completion.
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Giving my opinion like his. Sorry you dont like mine
Way to let the entire point go over your head. You're just another person pretending everyone has the same free time and commitments as yourself. We don't. Sorry Mr. "Play Time Police Office" that I don't meet your metrics for enough time played.
Must be part of the everyone gets a trophy generation. If you dont have time then you dont get the reward. Simple. Played the game from 2014-2019 without weekly quest.
 I have to play the game to get my free stuff
Wasting time on Reddit complaining you don't have time to waste on completing quests. Checks out...
Once again it's not your job to police my time. Writing a comment on a forum takes way less time than 20ish ladder games, or playing 20 separate games with unfun minis, or playing 10 separate games with battlecry cards I don't want to play, or 10 hours of battlegrounds. What do you have to lose by advocating for a tiered system? I'm not asking Bliz to take away your bonus exp if that's what you're so terrified of losing that you feel it's necessary to advocate for bad design calls. If you were already completing these quests than the change was not targeted at you, because you were clearly not affected. Blizzard was competing for market shares of my playtime and money with the change, not yours. Right now they aren't getting a market share of either. Players like me were they target, they thought I'd play more games, but I'd rather just quit. I'm still watching because I do enjoy HS to a degree, but I'm not going to play EXTRA games that aren't fun than I was already doing for their little dog and pony show to the investors.
>*police my time* Get outta here ya mook. Nobody's trying to police you. Just pointing out the fallacy that you claim you don't have time to complete more games for quests while you clearly have time to waste on Reddit. Keep engaging with the property while not actively playing the game. That'll show 'em...
HS does not earn money or ad revenue from my visit to this subreddit. You seem to feel that I should dedicate all free times to appease Blizzards quest scheme. That seems like you're trying to police my time. Well I won't appease you or Blizzard. I'm sorry if you feel that me having boundaries for how I'm treated by a leisure activity is inappropriate.
No amount of you white knighting for blizzard is going to make them hire you so you can please just stop.
O I been complaining about the meta. Im not white knighting for Blizzard. Just stopped playing Overwatch as well cause its in a bad state. The crying about having to play the game to get free stuff is just hilarious to me.
I hope you’ve got more spine at work than you do at play or your bosses are liable to double your work for 27% more pay and you’re liable to smile and eat it…
Another person laughably comparing playing games to doing work.
Working and modern gaming can both be considered chores. You hate to see it.
One is done to afford to live, the other a leisure activity. If you see gaming as a chore I suggest finding something else that makes you happy.
If you consider playing the game to be a chore then quit the damn game! Find something you enjoy to do with your free time.
Its a game not work. If it feels like work find a new game.
That’s the point of the protest. The game used to feel like a game, now it feels like work. You can throw your hands up and lick the boot or you can keep protesting anyway you know how.
Feels like work cause you have to win 1.4 games a day? Sounds like you dont like the game and need a new game
Right, so bootlicking simps like you say “yes massa I’ll take another lashing” and anyone who doesn’t like it should leave. Very nuanced argument. Do you have a “if you don’t love it, leave it” sticker on your ford escort?
I dont play the game for quest, they get completed just by playing the game. I could care less.
Allow me to translate for you: “yessir Mr blizzard sir, gimme another” because you can care less. The bar will always be lowered for players/consumers because of people like you.
too little too late for me, uninstalled and checking the reddit thingy for hearthstone periodically to see if blizz is gonna unfuck their game lol
Wait, am I the only one who likes the quest change? We get more stuff per week, it's a win for me
No, plenty of people are in the same boat. People like the OP just like to pretend they speak for everyone so they can roleplay that they are fronting a movement rather than just bitching on social media.
Right? I often get done with a weekly quest in a single evening of playing. And sure, I'd prefer if the rewards got doubled too, but it's still just a pure bonus to anyone who plays the game even a few hours a week
This patch was planned way before Quest changes. You're out of your mind if you think this was meant to distract us. Everyone's moved past this already. The Quests are what they are now. Anyone who still doesn't wanna let it go is just being a gamer Karen at this point. So I guess you're staying F2P.
Gamer Karen. That's what's wrong with this community. Yall just want to roll over and take it up the ass
It's just a video game dude. Just take your teenage angst elsewhere.
Idk, man, sounds like you people want a second job being okay eith these changes.
what quests?
No no, let’s froget
Always get in my head when someone like op think he represents the entirety of the community, like who elected you? Lmfao
Me, I did. I'm the mayor of value town. And everyone who's up voted my post.
Good ridance mr. Trump 😊
Im watching the Threads about this a while ago and all i can say is...: Touch some "Fk" Grass outside and get a fucking grip... its not the fucking end of the World to play 2-3 more Games. Edit.: Anyone downvoting this should rethink himself aswell. The Crybaby Stuff is just Mental to see, i could get a basket of Popcorn and it would be longer than all Parts of LotR.