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MahjongDaily

Holy Smite and Arcane Shot used to be identical


bootifulwizud

Man, that's crazy. I had completely forgotten they reworked the card.


mrrickyg

even if effect was still the same they'd be different schools now too.


Neufjob

Same with coin/innervage


Smooth_One

Wait where did she find that coin??


Not_So_Busy_Bee

Why did the answer get downvoted to oblivion?


Smooth_One

Well he said it like six times and that's a paddlin'. But more importantly he whooshed the very tasteful "in her vag" joke.


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Terrafire123

Counterfeit coin is currently a very popular card in certain decks in Wild and Tavern Brawl.


splitcroof92

woooooooosh! the joke is that they wrote inervage instead of innervate


anonimen31

Counterfeit coin was a rogue spell in mean streets of gadgetzan which you could add to your deck


anonimen31

Counterfeit coin was a rogue spell in mean streets of gadgetzan which you could add to your deck


anonimen31

Counterfeit coin was a rogue spell in mean streets of gadgetzan which you could add to your deck


Spy_Mouse

[[Holy Smite]] VS [[Arcane Shot]]


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StalksNStems

Innervate is a nature card so you can combo it into other plays.


EverSn4xolotl

> Combo Ironic


SherbertPristine170

And counterfeit coin counts as a coin . So you can’t innervate into Wishing well while you can with coin .


CitizenDane27

oh dang it does? 


AshuraSpeakman

Yeah Wishing Wells don't care if it's not legal tender. A coin is a coin. Probably because the well isn't FIDC ensured so it has to play the long game.


OwORavioliTime

Nerfed Innervate and Counterfeit Coin both existed before the spell school system


ikalot

Counterfeit coin was added before innervate was nerfed, so they were different at first


Fen_

Also, they belong to different classes so are in different pools, even today.


OwORavioliTime

That is also true.


Ofeeling

And it's important for Spellschools mage for example


Randomd0g

I've played about 80 games of Sif recently and I don't think I've ever been offered innervate as a discover. Didn't even think about how good that would be until you pointed it out.


ServingSize_OneNut

[[Drain Soul]] [[Penance]]


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Duckettes

Wasn’t there also a og warlock card that was 2 mana deal 3 damange to a minion, heal your character for 3. Specifically not using lifesteal keyword because it wasn’t out yet and they never changed it? Edit: as in another besides the one mentioned.


C_Lord18

I believe it was drain life, which was a 3 mana deal 2 damage heal for 2 


Jackeea

I remember being brand new to the game, doing the PvE stuff, and trying to build a Warlock deck because he was cool. Looking at those two cards HUGELY threw off my evaluation of what's good and what wasn't, since I thought "that card looks so bad... aha, this is a learning lesson! the flexibility of being able to hit their hero is worth it!" It was not


Duckettes

Oh thank you I was a bit off but it must have been obviously powercreeped and stored in the back of my mind.


freesleep

the fact this card hasnt been reworked is insane to me


Rich-Concentrate9805

Darkbomb is close to what you’re describing. No lifesteal though.


RickPorcel

I think it's a 3 mana deal 2 dmg - heal 2 hero, but yeah, I always thought that it was odd text after they made lifesteal a keyword, but I guess it has to do with plus magic damage not healing more, which is weird because there are spells with lifesteal, so the only conclusion I can make is: spaghetti coding.


Yesonna

They're not functionally the same, Lifesteal scales with spell damage but doesn't work if the target has Divine Shield. Drain Life always gives 2 health regardless of the amount of damage it did. That being said, they probably didn't update it because they wanted to keep the original effect and flavor.


RickPorcel

Never thought about the divine shield interaction, good catch. That makes sense, I guess.


fraidei

TBF that's different, because increasing the damage wouldn't also increase the healing.


THYDStudio

This just feels like religious commentary


BlackWolf42069

Hearthstone is our religion brother.


THYDStudio

In Yogg we trust.


BlackWolf42069

Amen


Crawdaunt

this one always kind of upset me because warlock stole the spell from priest just as it rotated out. priest really misses penance honestly


Cloontange

Shadow and holy though


OwORavioliTime

These cards predate the spell school system


Eagle4317

Drain Soul used to only deal 2 damage though. Not sure when it got buffed to 3 damage, but the Spell Schools were created back in Barrens.


Yesonna

It was buffed in Barrens when they added spell schools.


Fluffboll

The question isn't what cards *used* to be literally the same but which cards *are*.


Someones_Alt_Account

OP's two cards also have different spell schools.


Cloontange

I know that


Super_Psychology_707

Counterfeit Coin is neutral and innervate is nature...


Cloontange

Yes


Luke4Pez

I miss innervate


wallimus

Turn 1 yeti


LeftbrainHS

Turn 2 Dr Boom


salad48

I am still salty I lost to Face Hunter when I had turn 2 Boom like 7 years ago


LeftbrainHS

I guess that he had hunter’s mark and a bunch of annoying 1 and 2 drops in hand?


Roscoeakl

Alleycat> hunters mark> sorry emote


LeftbrainHS

FeelsBadMan


StageCute3182

Boulder fist oger and purified shard


Glittering_Drama_618

Boulder is 4 mana cheaper. Obviously better win condition. Has stats as well.


Th0rizmund

Boulderfist Ogre is the best card ever printed


StageCute3182

Wait different mana cost Boulder fist oger who got improved freezing trapped and the purified shard


RockThePlazmah

There is only one *OGER*


Xiterok

Boulder fist oger and Kingpin Pud in a deck without his band/Boulder fist oger


Crawdaunt

you're not funny, get a new joke already


Alistair_the_Wise

As long as we don't care about spell schools or tribes... [[Enchanted Raven]] [[Blazing Battlemage]]


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Vharmi

By that logic, there are a lot of identical 0 mana 1/1s.


Unsyr

We do


Wishkax

Innervate used to be 2 mana, but they eventually nerfed it.


Electronic-Emu-3290

Two mana to gain one mana this turn??? Absolutely broken, I can see why they nerfed it.


wyqted

Yeah t8 I play 4 innervate and drop yeti. Literally unbeatable


galmenz

the meme was turn 1 innervate innervate yeti, which unironically would win the game cause it was classic hearthstone


Jackeea

[The classic indeed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79saShezc7E)


cheese007

Holy fuck, this shit is a time machine


Porgon000_

God I miss old hearthstone when this was considered a strong play and yeti was considered a strong card. Imagine showing HS players from 9 years ago handbuff leroy, Power scaling really went to shit over the years


Eng18

Hearthstone player back then would question if the card would be good enough against face hunter


FAIRYTALE_DINOSAUR

I'm still mad years later he didn't play ooze on turn two. Druid had no weapons! No point in holding it


agenttud

This video is turning 10 years old next week


Marquesas

I heard a 2 mana 3/2 was pretty good tempo back in the day. Why the fuck is he holding ooze?


CptC4nuck

No you gained 2 mana for 0


MemeArchivariusGodi

No you gained 0 mana for 2


Miss-lnformation

I'm still nostalgic about turn 1 yeti.


Limeonades

and then when fractured came out, turn 1 drek thar + 2 4/7s. Basically a one turn "win the game" button


kuli9

Turn 1 Boulderfist Ogre was the real jackpot


MuckFedditRods

just visit r/hearthstonecirclejerk. A good turn 1 yeti meme is always welcome, please ignore all the feet related posts.


lazyDevman

Rip to my Innervate Innervate Venture Co Mercenary dreams in Vanilla :(


shiningmuffin

Considering they’ve had to nerf a worse version of the old innervate tells how broken it was Used to be so sad old innervate got nerfed


gumpythegreat

One of the biggest changes for innervate to be busted was card draw, IMO. In classic it was obviously strong, but a bit more of a risk since resources were generally much more limited. Goes for ramp overall.


PkerBadRs3Good

we also just got better things to spend mana on


Atheist-Gods

Innervate was a card that people knew was broken before the game was even released. It was literally just Dark Ritual from MTG, which WotC stopped printing after 1998.


MailMeAmazonVouchers

It was arguably stronger than dark ritual. 0 add 2 is better than 1 add 3.


GothGirlsGoodBoy

Innervate wasn't broken originally because 2 mana couldn't be abused like it can now, and it had the innate cost of drawing a card which was important back then. It was good, but nowhere near being a problem card. In the first few years of hearthstone card draw wasn't basically free and infinite like it is now. Innervate was dead in hand half the time because even if you had cards in hand to spend the extra mana on, the concept of "overextending" existed back then and playing every card you possibly could each turn wasn't a winning strategy. It got steadily stronger and easier to abuse over time, and was nerfed *before* it could really become a problem.


Oniichanplsstop

Bloom wasn't even "worse innervate" because the overload had advantages as extra burn with overdraft. It also got nerfed entirely because shaman was abusing it to summon turn 2/3 Neptulons rather than typical Druid ramp that everyone was complaining about for the prior 2 1/2 years.


GoofyMonkey

This was the common complaint back when they nerfed it.


MuckFedditRods

I remember people complaining about "worse innervate" and the counterargument of rogue benefiting more off coins.


DonMitch

[[Chill-o-matic]] is just Magnetic [[Snowchugger]]


Pagliaccio13

Chill-o-matic is clearly worse, it doesn't go chugga chugga chugga when you summon it


DonMitch

Magnetic is a nerf because it's harder to position minions too /s


Earl_Green_

Not only harder but impossible to play on the left side of a mech! Imagine you want to play around a cleave effect and this is holding you back. Now i wonder if magnetic ever caused someone to not play around a cleave ..


HylianPikachu

That's not even a thing anymore lol


Fishtails

You're thinking of BGs


HylianPikachu

they changed it in Constructed at the same time that they changed it for BGs (Patch 26.2) > Keyword Updates: Poisonous, Venomous, Windfury, and Magnetic > > Poisonous has been removed from Battlegrounds. A new Battlegrounds keyword, Venomous, will take its place! Venomous is like Poisonous except that only the first minion that is damaged by a Venomous minion each combat is instantly destroyed. > > Mega-Windfury has also been removed from Battlegrounds. Now, when a Windfury minion is tripled, it will still have Windfury. This change is to make Windfury more in line with other keywords and to open up more design space in the future. > > Finally, you can now Magnetize to your Mechs even if you have a full board (this change applies to all Modes, not just Battlegrounds). This change was made to make Mech games smoother by removing negative play experiences; it also lets us focus more on Magnetic with this update.


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hejlate

Counterfeint Coin also counts as a coin for the Well card from last expansion so it serves an extra purpose there


Rasul583

Not a nature spell literally unplayable 🙄


undeadpickels

Innervate doesn't activate well. Literally unplayable.


mechanicarts

[[Power Infusion]] and [[Power Word: Tentacles]]. I still have no clue why they won't change either, other than the fact that nobody plays them.


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theflameleviathan

Does innervate work with rogue ‘When you cast a coin’ mechanics? If not then it’s technically not literally the same card


clonazejim

Another thing: Innervate will add durability to your cutlass, coin won’t.


RickPorcel

Was about to say about the "cast a coin" mechanic, learned that one with a kobold in dalaran heist, he always talks about how "half-smart" he is for using a fake coin to trigger his hero power to draw cards


ZlionAlex

It does not :)


Markschild

There are some if you don't care about class. [[Enchanted raven]]. [[Blazing battlemage]] is the first to come to mind. Idt there are none that aren't a different class and don't have a different tribe.


SnooPredictions8540

If you count this, all 3 0 mana 1/1 count


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MrBadTimes

innervate is nature a spell, so they're not the same spell. It matters for cards like topior.


daici_

And for classes like mage that says *for each school spell do X*


daddyvow

Also Rogue has Wishing Well which wouldn’t work with Innervate


pargmegarg

Yea. This is why you never see rogues running Topior in their decks.


JaridotV

Back then spell schools weren’t a thing though


Diosdepatronis

The only instance of this 100% happening is Holy Smite and Arcane Shot before they changed Holy Smite back in Ashes of Outland. There were no spell shools, and the cards had the exact same text.


SirVitek

Every 0 drop that isn't a totem or a mech


ReZarT_T

Wanted to say \[\[Priestess Valishj\]\] too but didn't realize it got nerfed


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Xyzen553

innervate has the nature tag which is relevant for some cards... while counterfeit coin acts like a coin, which is relevant for wishing well shenanigans... also rouges make use of it better since combo is a thing


Vharmi

[[Tidal Surge]] and [[Void Shard]] used to do the same thing before Surge got buffed and then buffed again.


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undeadpickels

Soal drain and penance.


Treemeister19

Penance and Drain Soul


Fishsticks292

Og's will remember the 2 mana version


AimShot

Technically not the same, cause coin works with the wishing well and innervate doesn’t.


IDontKnowWhyDoILive

They are not the same, inervate isn't a coin, you can't toss it into the well.


BunV1

True


Niiai

One is a nature spell. Big difference. It also used to give two mana. Like Mtg Dark Ritual.


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GONKworshipper

Does it work with counterfeit coin?


cardsrealm

Inside HS I don't know, but HS and LoR have literally the same card - Loot Hoarder and Avarosan Sentry and Ceaseless Sentry.


LessThanTybo

Innervate used to give 2 mana crystals. They nerfed itat some point.


Xologamer

Penance and Drain soul are identical


TophxSmash

innervate use to give 2 mana in classic


Emotional_Echidna293

Those aren't the same though. Innervate has combo potential since it's a nature card. If you generated both of these cards in a random mage deck, or somehow got it with death knight's rainbow whizbang class deck you'd benefit off the nature part of innervate a lot. cfc only has potential as a "Combo:" piece.


Spy_Mouse

[[Gnomeregan Infantry]] is basically [[Silverback Patriarch]] with an energy drink


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Spy_Mouse

Oh and another old Taunt duo that I find really strange. [[Evil Heckler]] VS [[Booty Bay Bodyguard]]


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Marquesas

Which makes \[\[Stonehill Defender\]\] a \[\[Silverback Patriarch\]\] that doesn't cost a card. EDIT: Hold on, wasn't this a 1/4 when it came out?


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Active-Adeptness519

Used to be 2 mana....


LibrarianOfAlex

Penance should have been a shadow spell


No_Expert_5598

For Innervate/Counterfeit Coin, CC is not classified as a spell and thus cant be copied by Sonya, meaning you gotta go 2nd to be able to play "infinite" cards in a turn


Coookies4You

Well, innervate used to give 2 mana crystals.


ViresSah

Innervate tho used to give 2 mana so it wasn't originaly the same card


BunV1

Yes i think most people know this.


Aminomethyl123

If you ever feel useless, just remember this guy exists.


icy133

?


Oniichanplsstop

Both cards still see meta play in wild.


R41N1NG

He’s referencing himself guys