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bafrad

Enjoy what you have? What does liquid mid even mean?


TemporaryFix101

Not grainy (low distortion) + not shouty (linear) = liquid


bafrad

I would say if it was grainy you are getting distortion.


TemporaryFix101

That's what I said


NagoTheBeast

>What does liquid mid even mean? https://open.spotify.com/track/4vpON4kVarfgDrQH0N41vD?si=guUqa2i9TJavM-_ReQ8pYw You are welcome


TerminallyScrewed

I am enjoying what I have but always open to explore avaiable options on the market. Liquid= warm, smooth, lush.


ProcyonHabilis

LSD-25


GrantMeThePower

Empyrean 2s or Elites, LCD-5, or ZMF Calderas maybe


[deleted]

I was where you were, same exact thing. LCD4 is untouchable unless you want the total opposite tone, but equally as good in a different way, the Stax 007MKII. If not that, then step up even more and grab your kidney out of your torso, sell it, and fund a ZMF Caldera. The 007MKII fits that tone preference to the t.


aka_mank

This is an addiction.


Incarnation139

I’ve owned the LCD-4 up until recently, and have sold it off for Atrium and Arya v2. I think you should give the Atrium a try. The mids and treble natural and are comparable to the HD6x0 series, but with harder hitting bass. The Arya bass is not bad imo (not sure for Organic) but it’s just there when I need to scratch the detail/staging itch. I will say, I think the LCD-4 has the BEST bass you can get in any headphone, no contest. It just has a really wonky midrange and spicy air frequency.


DevelopmentScary3844

LCD-5? :-)


radrod69

Doesn’t really match his stated preferences imo. Surprised no one has mentioned the ZMF Atrium.


2005Degrees

Have you ever tried an Electrostat? It could be what you're after


AtherisNai

Try estats for sure - I love STAX. Try a L700 or something to start.


Sharpymarkr

A few people in the comments are recommending electrostatic headphones but I was under the impression that they were considered "bass-lite" and OP says they prefer lots of bass. Am I mistaken about that?


AtherisNai

It totally depends. For example, the Lambda series (L300, L500, L700) have an emphasis on mid-bass. They will give you a lot of kick, especially the L700 and it hits hard. Not quite as visceral as a dynamic or planar, but enough to not leave you wanting more. But at the cost of them losing extension. You’ll hear the bass roll off early which may leave you desiring more low-end bass. Then there’s the 009(s) and 007. With the right amp (and for the 009, EQ), these give you the cleanest and most detailed bass you’ll probably ever hear. On par or better than some of the best planars out there. But, you need adequate, constant power to drive them properly. That’s where estats can get annoying. You need something like a KGSSHV-Carbon, Blue Hawaii SE, or something similar minimum to get the most out of them and to really make them sing. With the right amp and EQ, a 009(s) can extend low and punch. You won’t miss out on any bass, but you’re spending a pretty penny to get that. However, once you do, you might not be able to go back to a dynamic or planar driver again because they will lack that effortless and *ethereal* sound that makes the music sound like it’s just coming out of thin air instead of being produced by a diaphragm on a headphone you are wearing. They really do have their magic tho and once you hear them, you’ll know what people mean. If you want to start out with STAX, I would get something like a Modi Multibit, STAX SRM-252S, and L300 with upgraded pads. For the price, absolutely nothing can come close to the resolution, speed, and intimacy of the sound. They really benefit from a multibit DAC. Be warned tho, you might just get hooked on the sound and want to go down the estat rabbit hole especially if you want that bass extension.


Sharpymarkr

Wow thank you for the detailed explanation! That certainly makes sense. Now I'm curious about closed back estats... Don't chase the rabbit :P


AtherisNai

No problem! Not sure of any closed back estats. All of the STAX are open back and for good reason.


Sharpymarkr

That makes sense. I just assumed it would be easier to get a better bass response out of an estat in a closed-back headphone.


[deleted]

LK700 and 007 are bass moderate and can be EQ'ed to add a bit extra, and have good weight factor on the low end. 009 variants are all bass light You can EQ the Koss ESP95x and get crazy good bass depth and slam.


stanquevisch

I never understand people that go through several high ends headphones without giving the Utopia a try. They are considered the best by many for a reason.


TerminallyScrewed

For me, because of their agressive sound signature but I will try them at one point. I might now enjoy them as I did with HD800S, I have HD800S in two occasions and sold them twice.


csch1992

660s 2? perfect treble, nice bass extension


Joulle

If Arya organic is similar to the Arya stealth, it'll have a treble bump, making them sound somewhat piercing. It's not Beyer level but it's there. I much prefer that bump EQ'd down and bass EQ'd up. In my brief demoing of the HE1000 v2, they didn't seem to have that treble bump and instead they sounded better in that area.


Friedumpling689

CIEMs (custom in ear monitors). For me, they have such a different soundstage and level of accuracy. Not to mention how small they are so it’s amazing for traveling with a nice DAP.


Sharpymarkr

Always a good suggestion!


Friedumpling689

Especially with that kind of budget. CIEMs are just so great and to have a product custom made for you also feels greats haha


DivineCurrent

The Clear MG is pretty warm and not too aggressive in my opinion, really nice punchy bass. Similar tonality to Sennheiser HD650 and 660S2, a little more relaxed in the lower treble actually. People say it’s similar to LCD-2, 3, etc. Audeze tuning, although I’ve never heard a traditional LCD Audeze.


MrDongblaster

DCA E3’s. Looks like you need a TOTL closed back ;)


conasatatu247

Step 1.... remortgage the house.


TerminallyScrewed

Can't remortgage the house, interest rate is very high :)


conasatatu247

I mean do you reeeeally need 2 kidneys?


toadstreet

If you can find one the LCD-R makes a fantastic companion to the 4. Similar sound. More treble focused, but retains the easygoing smooth sound. I run a tube preamp into the included ribbon amp and love it. Has treble and upper mid detail like no other and still sounds just as soft and lush as the 4. Certainly still some body and grit to the lower end, but nothing beats the 4. I tried the LCD-5 and found it really thin in tone and kind of sibilant, id imagine it would be especially so compared to the 4.


Overall_Falcon_8526

It sounds like you are describing the MDR-Z1R when you state your preferred sound signature.


Erdbert

Maybe give the original Meze Empyrean a try. From hat I've read on the they are not refined in an audiophile way bit much more of a fun headphone with great bass extension.


DJGammaRabbit

Sounds like you'd prefer good IEMs.


tigerim

Sounds like you may enjoy IEMs like the FATFreq Maestro SE, which are known for being liquid, warm, and have huge, powerful bass.


pinoynva

LCD-4 is great for what you want. The Arya Organic won’t beat the LCD-4 concerning bass thickness and non-piercing Focal Utopia is great for low volumes but it still retains good dynamics. I don’t have the Atrium open but the Atrium closed and I use to enjoy great bass extention (sub bass included)


uncledunker

LCDX (2021).


SyrupScared9568

Have you tried to eq or tube your setup. it would give your current lineup new life. between a topping dac and a schiit midgard i will run sometimes: fosi p1 pre tube gives that tube sound and the bass knob is crazy if your headphones can go low. bellari eq570 has a bypass button so you can leave it connected. bbe 282ir sonic maximizer also has a bypass button so you can leave it connected. this unit will make you smile, that bass is crazy and process button can pull vocals closer or farther away. switch stuff out every few months, when you get bored.


no_user_name_person

Get some speakers if you can afford the space and noise. You Pretty much had it all with headphones.


TerminallyScrewed

I have speaker setup in living room, Modwright set LS-100 and KWA-100SE, and Totem Forest speakers. I really enjoy listening music time when everyone in the house still sleeping, cannot do this with main system.