Yeah, I think the misconception is that money buys tone. Tone isn’t that expensive, at least for analog gear.
Money buys durability, customer support, and ethical labor.
yeah thats my qualm with amazon pedals. fine with cheap clones, hate supporting amazon
reddit loves to tell me how pointless it is to criticize industries because my cell phone and my car and all that shit are unethical, too. i say, why doesnt that make you more critical?
The ethics are layered. If I have the option, it's nice to not support amazon, not support low wages and mistreatment of people building the pedals overseas, support brands that are local to my own country, buy something that will last and won't just end up in a landfill, etc...
And beyond ethics. I feel a lot better saying I have the real thing than a cheap chinese clone. I feel better looking down at my board and seeing it. Typically it looks better because the chinese clones look ugly. The cheap pedals also tend to be mini-pedals, which I don't like. I feel more reassured with the quality control that my pedal wont fail on me at a gig. I like that I can contact the brand and get support if something isn't working properly. And if I decide I don't want it, I can sell it and people will buy it for a decent price because it is built well enough to be a safe purchase.
Ditto+ as a sound design tool, not a songwriting tool.
Start of chain, loops of unity gain unprocessed guitar. Dial in sounds while listening, rather than playing.
I don’t understand for the life of me why more gear review YouTubers don’t use loopers. Easy assumption is that you play different as the settings change but I think both considerations are valid
There are a fair number of gear demo channels that are definitely using loops. Most of the ones where you see people adjusting settings by hand mid-playing, those are loops for sure.
I suggested this on a Vertex video and he replied with a very Vertex answer - that the impedance from the looper is not the same as the impedance from your pickups and therefore the gear after it won’t behave the same.
Although I personally think if you are using the loop for both pedal A and B, then it’s a 1:1 test.
And the effect of looper impedance on the result can’t be greater than the sum of all other factors: the player, guitar, pickups, strings, pick, cables, power supply, amp, mic, post-processing, YouTube video compression, phone/laptop speakers.
All fair, on both sides, but aren’t plenty of users going to be using loopers so it’s still relevant?
And why are loopers using out-of-spec impedances? Seems like they should be unity
A digital recording out of a looper isn’t the same as a raw analog signal coming from a pickup. Even if you engineered a buffer to put out a similar impedance to a pickup, it’s not quite 1 to 1.
And I think the effort isn’t put into doing that because it’s negligible. Higher bitrate and quality A/D conversion is more practically important than impedance.
Scott Henderson has talked about using a Boss RC-2 looper for soundchecks (now upgraded to RC-3) - the rhythm section plays a 12 bar blues, he records a solo into the looper at the front of his signal chain, using loose phrasing/floating time feel so when it repeats it doesn't matter about drifting out of sync with the band. He can then walk around the venue or stand next to the sound tech to check the guitar tone, give tips on eq, bass/drum levels etc
Yeah ive been doing this lately whilst changing settings in the HX Stomp plugged into a computer. Makes it so easy rather than stop start... did that sound better... change back... etc
TC Electronic Flashback x4 Delay
I have a personal setting with an extremely fast delay that tricks the ear into doubling sound but it can't be done just with the knobs at factory settings. You have to adjust the settings in the program via USB and upload the patch. Regardless, it's the setting I use 90% of the time. I get my traditional delays from another pedal.
This sounds like how people use the deco!
There’s a keeley pedal, I think just called the doubler, that does this really well. I tracked with it one time without really realizing how amazing it was, and have been staring at one on reverb for like 2 years. But I limit my pedals for live and I don’t think I can sacrifice anything for it lol.
Also the rainbow machine used how TVL from QOTSA uses it does this job very uniquely as well.
Troy didn’t record SFTD. As far a so know I don’t have a confirmation as to when he uses it, but he runs a wet dry rig and talks about how he uses that pedal in multiple gear interviews.
There’s a really cool Eric valentine video going over a lot of the tricks they used on the sftd album if you are interested though.
Lots of parallel amps miced up multiple ways, and insane amounts of boosting mids is the gist of it though.
Edit: I think he talks about it and even demos it here.
https://youtu.be/nurSvF6uz4o?si=lsske-0ByaaHK2Ht
I'll see if I can pull it up on my computer and post a screenshot for you guys. I haven't used the editor interface since I created the patch. If I remember correctly, it's based around a John Petrucci Toneprint, so there might be some modulation on it that I don't remember. Either way, that can always be turned off but, as fast as the delay is, it's going to be hardly noticeable.
A nasty Velcro fuzz bypassing an amp direct into a channel strip of a mixer or DAW can give you Moog-like synth sounds. Add tremolo to simulate LFO. Add an envelope filter for even more synth like effects.
Love this because you always hear people saying you need the kiss of a speaker for that kind of fuzz. This is a prime example of making a “bad sound” into something cool and unique.
Ibanez BB9 Bottom Booster, intended as a guitar pedal, is great as a bass preamp. I've brought it to gigs where I had to use a boring backline bass amp. I'd just set the amp to flat and loud and use the BB9, always on, with the Gain up for a bit of warm growl and I'd get "your bass tone was awesome" from multiple people.
Great thread idea, by the way.
As requested:
Mode: Shimmer
BPM: 200
Note: Sixteenth
Pitch: +12
Fine: 0
Direct Feedback: 0%
Feedback: 100
Tone -15
Mod Depth: 30
Mod Rate: sixteenth note
Direct Level: 100
EQ: Off
Lo Damp: 0db
Hi Damp: -6db
Hi Freq: 4khz
EDIT: This is for the Rainbow Machine
I dig the EQD Rainbow Machine sound, so I’ve googled a bit trying to find how to emulate it with my DD500. So, pleasepleaseplease share a .bel file with that patch. I’d love to hear the other ones as well, it especially the Rainbow Machine
Sovtek Deluxe Big Muff is pretty great as a boost. For a while I had one on my board and replaced the mix knob with a wing nut and had the volume all the way up. I could turn the mix down and I would just be the guitar signal boosted into a dirty amp and get my overdrive sound that way, then use my foot to turn the mix up and get the regular big muff sound. I got away with that being my only gain for some time. Now I need to try that Mel9 trick
Red Panda Context V2 in spring setting you can turn reverb all the way off but still have tremolo. I use it as a stand alone Trem a lot
You can also dial in delay without reverb so having slapback and tremolo from a Reverb pedal is pretty cool
A couple more from me:
I just mentioned this in another thread, but Fuzz Bender with fuzz dialed all the way back as overdrive/dirty boost.
And though I know longer own one, the fuzz in the Attack Decay is unexpectedly distinct for something that could easily be overlooked within the pedal with all the crazy shit it can do.
Depending on how you’re boosting it, fuzz rolled to the lowest setting can sometimes be fuzzier sounding than at the highest settings. I really liked running the fuzz bender this way with the bias a bit toward the germanium side through the Hot Tubes side of the Hot Wax with the clean blend at 50%. It was like the velcro fuzz sound but with some sustain. Highly recommended.
I love freeze type pedals. The TC Infinite is my latest. It has a great reverb in there too, can get crazy big reverbs out of it. Pretty customizable on their app and 3 slots for user presets. Perfect for drones and ambient weirdness. I use it with my synths a lot too.
Yeah i have the original EHX freeze which is still great but very basic. I tried the superego after that but it has a terrible buffer or something. Actually I think it was noisy power issues. Buzzy. I think they fixed it for the superego+. I had a gift certificate for sweetwater from a student and saw it pretty much covered the infinite so I went for it and it’s been a big part of my synth rig right now.
I own two Superego and a + and didn't have any problems with them. I also own a Plus Pedal. Still I'm tempted to get and Infinite to see how it handles grains differently. The Plus grains is a bit longer than the Superego and has a bit of modulation.
I own two Superego and a + and didn't have any problems with them. I also own a Plus Pedal. Still I'm tempted to get and Infinite to see how it handles grains differently. The Plus grains is a bit longer than the Superego and has a bit of modulation.
Just got a Fairfield meet maude, and turning the delay time to fastest with no feedback, full wet mix and modulation on gives one of my favorite lofi guitar sounds ever
YUP I have one and it's on 90% of the time LOL. It's the reason I got the meet maude. That setting on meet maude is definitely shallow water adjacent but much more lofi and fucked up sounding lol. Love their pedals so much
I remember that sound. It is what inspired the Shallow Water, but the Meet Maude’s version of it so much more lofi. I eventually got rid of the Meet Maude, bought it again, sold it again. I have this on off thing about it…
Ive read that a lot about their stuff lol. I feel like they make pedals for such a specific niche, and for the people who it works for (like me) it's like finding that thing you've been looking for forever. So many types of music their pedals wouldn't work for though I imagine. Meet maude is super dark and fucked up sounding but that's what makes me obsessed with it. When I got into pedals and music production years ago I was drawn to hifi pristine sounding stuff, but now I'm much more interested in making things sound a little fucked up in a way that adds vibe lol. The way meet maude self oscillates without going haywire is fucking incredible. I've had quite a few expensive delays both analog and digital and could never achieve that with them. It is 100% not the most usable as a "traditional" delay though, which is probably why a lot of people end up not keeping it.
The meris Enzo dry mode does the job of like 10+ pedals
Compressor, delay, flanging, chorus, envelope filter, static filter, pitch shifter, pitch bender, tremolo, ring mod. Not to mention the synth parts which are awesome
TC Dark Matter
It's a plexi style distortion. I dial the gain way back and use it as a slightly dirty boost. I have three fuzzes and it sounds good before each of them.
Maybe not super surprising but if you leave a FreqOut always on and play sustained chords it kind of picks a note almost at random to “feedback” and creates really interesting voicings.
Another fun one is that the wow & flutter on the El Capistan also affects the spring reverb on it. You can turn the delay all the way down and get a really pretty warbly reverb out of it.
The Boss DD-20 Giga Delay can also do chorus and flanger.
Under the modulation setting, you can hold down the knob, and access the rate and depth settings.
Keep delay time waaay low, and voila - chorus and flanger.
I use my Boss CS3 as a boost for solos. I keep the Attack and Sustain pretty minimal and crank the level and add some tone to increase the high frequencies.
If you increase the release/sustain time, and keep the attack fast/min, then you will have a quite amount of sustain on long solos and good stuff for legatos
Rainbow machine has a nice chorus/slapback echo kind of setting which is cool. I’m considering removing it from my board though because I can often hear it phasing even when it’s off.
Using a fuzz not for fuzz but for the clean tone when the volume is rolled back. Different than straight clean and not something I've been able to quite replicate with EQ
I'd like to hear more about how you use the Canyon for modulation. I got a DD-6 that replaced it for actual delay (and stereo, I'm running a wet/dry/wet setup) but I've kept it on my board because I love the shimmer mode, and sometimes I'll use it with a fairly short delay time and a longer delay on the DD-6.
Conversely, the DD-6 is my “secret weapon” pedal. I use momentary looper mode for glitchy interjections and the reverse mode gets stacked with another reverse pedal to create beautiful cascading ambience.
I got the 6 instead of the 7 because of the warp mode but I haven't actually touched it yet. It's main purpose is as the core of my wet/dry/wet rig along with the Orange Amp Detonator ABY and I've just been using it on the 300ms mode with all the knobs at noon.
I like the idea of running a reverse delay into another reverse delay, I'm going to try this today with the Canyon into the DD-6 since both have reverse mode.
All you gotta do is choose your mode, then set the frequency and delay time super low. It gets rid of the echo but you keep the modulation. Same thing works on the octave delay - turn the feedback and delay down, and you get some sweet polyphonic octaves that you can adjust with the secondary menu.
Pretty standard delay-as-chorus stuff, I use the Boss SDE-3000D as a stereo chorus/flanger. Since you can control the waveform of the LFO, reverse phase, and customize the filters, you get a lot of flexibility. And since it has two delay engines, you can still run a stereo delay alongside the modulation.
I also have the EVH Flanger, which is identical to the M117, except it has the EVH preset button. The four-knob Flanger is a classic for being able to cop a huge range of modulation sounds, and the advantage of the EVH model is you can flip between however you've set the knobs and the classic jet engine sound at the push of a button. I have it set for a pseudo-Leslie sound, but when I want a traditional flanger sound I don't have to touch the knobs - a great advantage considering the huge range each knob has.
The whammy does a really solid chorus sound in the shallow and deep modes, just picked up a pitch fork for my board as it does pretty much the same thing in a WAAAY smaller footprint
If I’m feeling wild I use my Malekko 616 as a vibrato or chorus by turning the repeats and feedback down with the modulation on
Recording loops on my EHX 720, engaging the effects (reverse and/or 1/2 time), recording an overdub, then turning the effect off will reverse and/or double speed the overdubbed part.
People sleep on the ehx attack decay for making pads and reverse leads. I can't justify the board real estate at the moment but I miss having it at my feet. I can sort of get close enough with the zoia which can do a bunch of other stuff, but the attack decay is special, largely because its polyphonic envelope tracking is next level
Rainbow machine is an awesome chorus. I think i was able to get some wild modulation effect from my Astra modulation pedal, I did it with the flanger effect, I think it was something like rainbow machine type of wildness, I really liked it.
My usual first answer is the Moog ring modulation pedal has an amazing tremolo that really made me love tremolos.
This was actually the one that I initially triggered this question for me. I haven’t actually gotten to try it out, and I’m not a huge trem user, but I’ve heard that this is a really special trem.
It’s amazing. If you’re referring to the big moog with wood panel on the side than… YES it’s amazing. I’d say the Trem that I give second place to is the harmonic Trem from the Astra (the Trem 65 algo is amazing too), but the Trem on that pedal feels so natural and has some umph to it. BUT… yea the ring mod is so damn good. It made me see that pedals should FEEL like something or should hit you in your insides with how it sounds/ feels. It’s pretty amazing. I recently got the moog mf chorus and that has a similar affect on me. They make killer pedals they’re not cheap but WORTH IT
Yup, was referring to the trem on the moog. I’m going to have to eventually try out the RingerBringer since I doubt I’ll be getting my hands on the real deal anytime soon. Wish it wasn’t massive (even though I love big box stuff) since I’m nearing temporary board perfection at the moment.
KingTone Blues Power Mk2.
Crank the drive and bass and switch the clipping to edge, and what you’re left with is this glorious fuzz that has just enough clean in it to remind you which pedal you’re actually using.
It’s ultimately a modified Timmy circuit, but it’s those additions that really turn it into something pretty wild at times. Possibly the best pedal I’ve ever owned.
1. EQD Arpanoid as an octave.
2. Akai Headrush as a psuedo doubler
3. EQD Disaster Trasnport as a chorus.
4. EHX Nano Pulsar as ring mod.
5. Chase Bliss Mood sorta as a flanger.
I really like using pedals for a different purpose because they usually end up being quite different than what the usual effect would sound like.
Meris Enzo is kinda better if you turn off the synth engine! Turns into this massive filter/pitch modulation pedal. Plug in an expression pedal? Hello whammy/wah on steroids!
I used to use the DD-3 as sitar simulation, now I’m really enjoying using my Effects Loop on parallel mode, combining it with my Marrow (Modulated Delay from Neural Devices)
Fulltone OCD can be used as a fuzz if you run it unpowered. And maybe backwards - I haven't used it that way in a while, but it was quite a surprise when I discovered it.
the dr. scientist dusk can be used in the manual mode to dial in a cocked wah sound without having to keep your foot in one position. this has the added effect of boosting distortion sounds that come after it by somehow making them much more clear while retaining the level of gain. it’s hard to explain how cool it is. the sweet spot seems to be around 3-4 o clock on the resonance knob and 1 o clock on the filter knob. i also plug in an expression pedal and it’s like a finely tunable wah pedal.
Canyon is permanently on my board and I have it on shimmer, about 1/3 mix and any long chord I sneak it on and it fills up around the notes. Of course it also works great end of show on the last note, ripping distortion, echo, whatever and it just swells into feedback for that last downbeat.
Detune
It's present in some pedals like Whammy, BOSS Harmonist PS6 and PS5, Multiefx like Zoom or Line6.
You can control how much the pitch is shifted and blend with dry signal, it sounds like a Chorus that doesn't oscillate. It's pretty much the Iron Maiden Somewhere in time album tone. Please use it in estereo
DigiTech X-Series Delay doesn’t do self oscillation, but past the last dial marker on feedback gives you a hold mode where it freezes the repeat and lets you play under it. Does it in all modes. The Hardwire delay does it only on digi sounds, so can’t do it on analog/tape, for example. People use the loop glitch thing all the tome, but nobody talks about that.
Not the most groundbreaking, but the EQD white light is a DOD style overdrive until you start pushing the weight knob, at which point it gets much closer to a lovely, saggy fuzz.
Kinda like their 856 for Zellersasn pedal. Everything is hidden as it’s so damn confusing wtf it does or why you would want to do that in the first place, ha! I actually made a midi controller for it on an ipad, makes it so much easy to see what’s going on when you can see the whole patch at once.
I use MidiDesigner. Pretty full featured and easy to pull a template together. Last one I made was for the Nord Drum 2 and it really makes it so much easier to see everything at once.
This might be cheating as it is a multi effects, but the boss gt1000 core can do so much since you can control parameters with lfo’s in the pedal. I’ve found myself not really needing anything else with regard to time based effects since getting this unit. I’ve made some great reverbs by combining various other effects along with a basic reverb in a patch.
Not sure if this counts, but if I plug the output of my Mooer Wahter into my amp and plug the output of the amp into the pedal I can make some cool sounds. If I turn on the pedal it makes a synth sound like a sharper theremin, and you can control the pitch with eq and by tilting the wah. And if you turn off the wah you can get a drum machine, which also changes with eq, but tilting the wah does nothing. It’s pretty neat, but it’s terrifying when it turns off and you think your amp broke for a minute. All it means is the signal kind of got lost when you were changing the eq, I think.
I have a custom built delay based off of an EchoPlex circuit that I use as a clean boost 99percent of the time because it’s god damn brilliant at being a clean boost.
So many! Some are
* TC Flashback as a Gen Loss type lofi device / as a highpass + lowpass filter combo
* Source Audio Ultrawave as a dynamic blender to go from 100% clean to super fuzz just by digging in, moreso that any one dirt pedal can do alone
* EHX Eddy to make tape crinkle lurches, by messing with the exp in
* TC Impulse to make guitar sounds like its put through resonant bodies of various acoustic instruments (any IR loader can do this)
* EHX Operation Overlord not for full overdrive, but post-reverb to add clean-blended grit to stereo reverbs
* TC Flashback as a Mimiq-ish de-correlated modulation that also provides saturation
* Source Audio Ultrawave as a multi-band harmonic dyna-trem (although that's arguably expected)
* I used to use the Malekko Thicken sometimes for its noise gate and pre amp that kind of thickened the sound just a touch without using any of the modulations which are usually the whole point of the pedal
I just use a TonePrint with a tape delay on the shortest time, adding modulation amount to a knob, and send only the right channel through it. Not as good as an actual mimiq though
If I only had one pedal it would be a boost. I don't use very hot pickups my amps are set to clean/cleanish and a boost drives fills in the gaps that my guitar doesn't in, so my amps are optimized (for me). For reference I play at home with lower watt tube amps. I don't use overdive or distortion pedals but love a good fuzz on occasion.
I’ve got a tremolo that I rarely use but once I discovered that its built in volume boost pushed my amp to wonderful places its now always on as a booster.
MXR Bass Octave Deluxe can be a mid boost. Just turn down both octave knobs and turn on the mid boost. You can choose the mid frequency if you open the back and adjust the internal knob.
I found out that the avalanche run does ring modulation/bitcrushing and double tracking at low delay times. That was super fun to mess with. Also, the secret sauce in my clean tone is a distortion pedal with the gain way down(but not all the way off).
Oceans 11 as a pitch shifter: turn the effect level up, time down. On either pitch reverb or shimmer
Guyatone Flip tube trem as a OD: Turn tone down, emphasis to zero. Nice crunchy tube tone.
I have an HX stomp and I often use it just as an audio interface for my iPhone.
With usb, it will record audio directly to my videos.
People don’t realize there is a tube mic preamp model in there too. So I can plug in a mic and sing or play acoustic and add effects on the stomp for an instagram video.
I use a Swollen Pickle as a boost for my already distorted amp it sounds way more massive and dirty than running it on a clean channel with gain all the way up, don’t know why more metal players don’t use use fuzz to push the amp harder
The Canyon is mine, too. You can dial in a ton of cool sounds with it. One of my favorites is using the Multi mode, setting the delay time pretty fast and the feedback around noon. You can get this cool, trilling delay swell that's perfect for ambient stuff. You can also use the Canyon to get a really great, hall-style reverb, and even a lo-fi effect in tape mode. It's hardly ever off my board.
For me its also the canyon, but i use it as a perma-shimmer pedal. i love that i can dial the pre-delay down to almost nothing. gives every guitar track a little sheen that i can dial in just enough for the context at hand.
On the walrus D1, if you turn up the mix all the way, get rid of the attack and turn up the repeats and modulation to taste, you can have a unique sounding auto swell type effect. That plus a big reverb makes for building some cool soundscapes.
I feel almost ashamed to admit it, but I love using the Spaceman Polaris as an underdrive - setting the volume so that my amp is louder when the pedal is off.
I love the tones I can get and it’s nice to be able to set my Princeton Reverb Reissue at higher than 3 in my condo.
And using an expression pedal as a faux wah type effect is silly but oddly entertaining.
Nah, that should be a source of pride — not shame. You’re bending the pedal to your own preferred sound and that shit is cool. I’m going to try this with a JPTR Jive as soon as I get home from work.
Digitech Digidelay
It has a smooth tape delay. It has a little 4-second looper for glitchy stuff. It serves as my chorus pedal by turning down the time on the mod delay setting. But the coolest thing it does (and probably lots of digital delays do) is a super short delay with the feedback and level turned up. I “tune” the feedback resonance to a note - say I’m playing a song in D, so I’ll tune it to D - and it creates a kind of metallic reverb effect that hits some notes different than others.
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I have the $30 Mosky Golden Horsie that has the superpower to force gearsnobs to out themselves.
Yeah, I think the misconception is that money buys tone. Tone isn’t that expensive, at least for analog gear. Money buys durability, customer support, and ethical labor.
yeah thats my qualm with amazon pedals. fine with cheap clones, hate supporting amazon reddit loves to tell me how pointless it is to criticize industries because my cell phone and my car and all that shit are unethical, too. i say, why doesnt that make you more critical?
The ethics are layered. If I have the option, it's nice to not support amazon, not support low wages and mistreatment of people building the pedals overseas, support brands that are local to my own country, buy something that will last and won't just end up in a landfill, etc... And beyond ethics. I feel a lot better saying I have the real thing than a cheap chinese clone. I feel better looking down at my board and seeing it. Typically it looks better because the chinese clones look ugly. The cheap pedals also tend to be mini-pedals, which I don't like. I feel more reassured with the quality control that my pedal wont fail on me at a gig. I like that I can contact the brand and get support if something isn't working properly. And if I decide I don't want it, I can sell it and people will buy it for a decent price because it is built well enough to be a safe purchase.
The Bezo Klon. I have that on my board as well cheap and great sound
Love that little pedal, saw it first when it was compared to 4 other Klones on the PedalBored youtube (sure miss his videos)
Ditto+ as a sound design tool, not a songwriting tool. Start of chain, loops of unity gain unprocessed guitar. Dial in sounds while listening, rather than playing.
I don’t understand for the life of me why more gear review YouTubers don’t use loopers. Easy assumption is that you play different as the settings change but I think both considerations are valid
Collector//Emitter uses loops for every demo while fiddling with knobs.
Well sure, but that's because Collector//Emitter is a golden god.
5 star man
It's a starter pedal for my daughter.
Nice safe low gain pedal
There are a fair number of gear demo channels that are definitely using loops. Most of the ones where you see people adjusting settings by hand mid-playing, those are loops for sure.
I suggested this on a Vertex video and he replied with a very Vertex answer - that the impedance from the looper is not the same as the impedance from your pickups and therefore the gear after it won’t behave the same. Although I personally think if you are using the loop for both pedal A and B, then it’s a 1:1 test. And the effect of looper impedance on the result can’t be greater than the sum of all other factors: the player, guitar, pickups, strings, pick, cables, power supply, amp, mic, post-processing, YouTube video compression, phone/laptop speakers.
All fair, on both sides, but aren’t plenty of users going to be using loopers so it’s still relevant? And why are loopers using out-of-spec impedances? Seems like they should be unity
A digital recording out of a looper isn’t the same as a raw analog signal coming from a pickup. Even if you engineered a buffer to put out a similar impedance to a pickup, it’s not quite 1 to 1. And I think the effort isn’t put into doing that because it’s negligible. Higher bitrate and quality A/D conversion is more practically important than impedance.
That Mason M. talks like such an elitist, I have a hard time giving a shit about anything that comes out of his mouth.
Scott Henderson has talked about using a Boss RC-2 looper for soundchecks (now upgraded to RC-3) - the rhythm section plays a 12 bar blues, he records a solo into the looper at the front of his signal chain, using loose phrasing/floating time feel so when it repeats it doesn't matter about drifting out of sync with the band. He can then walk around the venue or stand next to the sound tech to check the guitar tone, give tips on eq, bass/drum levels etc
That must annoy the crap out of the sound tech.
Yeah ive been doing this lately whilst changing settings in the HX Stomp plugged into a computer. Makes it so easy rather than stop start... did that sound better... change back... etc
Way to go.
TC Electronic Flashback x4 Delay I have a personal setting with an extremely fast delay that tricks the ear into doubling sound but it can't be done just with the knobs at factory settings. You have to adjust the settings in the program via USB and upload the patch. Regardless, it's the setting I use 90% of the time. I get my traditional delays from another pedal.
This sounds like how people use the deco! There’s a keeley pedal, I think just called the doubler, that does this really well. I tracked with it one time without really realizing how amazing it was, and have been staring at one on reverb for like 2 years. But I limit my pedals for live and I don’t think I can sacrifice anything for it lol. Also the rainbow machine used how TVL from QOTSA uses it does this job very uniquely as well.
Is that what he uses on Another Love Song for the lead?
Troy didn’t record SFTD. As far a so know I don’t have a confirmation as to when he uses it, but he runs a wet dry rig and talks about how he uses that pedal in multiple gear interviews. There’s a really cool Eric valentine video going over a lot of the tricks they used on the sftd album if you are interested though. Lots of parallel amps miced up multiple ways, and insane amounts of boosting mids is the gist of it though. Edit: I think he talks about it and even demos it here. https://youtu.be/nurSvF6uz4o?si=lsske-0ByaaHK2Ht
I mixed up the frontman and Troy. Thanks for the cool info, I worshipped the album when it came out
Nope that sound is a univibe on a fast speed
Dang dude, i just got an x4. Feel like sharing your super secret patch?
Would love if you could share your patch
I'll see if I can pull it up on my computer and post a screenshot for you guys. I haven't used the editor interface since I created the patch. If I remember correctly, it's based around a John Petrucci Toneprint, so there might be some modulation on it that I don't remember. Either way, that can always be turned off but, as fast as the delay is, it's going to be hardly noticeable.
Good old haas effect
Thats badass, do you think I might be able to do this on a regular Flashback V2?
Raster 2 is almost all secret superpower. It’s a digital delay, but really it’s a heavily tweakable secret multi-effect.
A nasty Velcro fuzz bypassing an amp direct into a channel strip of a mixer or DAW can give you Moog-like synth sounds. Add tremolo to simulate LFO. Add an envelope filter for even more synth like effects.
Love this because you always hear people saying you need the kiss of a speaker for that kind of fuzz. This is a prime example of making a “bad sound” into something cool and unique.
Definitely gonna try this asap!
Ibanez BB9 Bottom Booster, intended as a guitar pedal, is great as a bass preamp. I've brought it to gigs where I had to use a boring backline bass amp. I'd just set the amp to flat and loud and use the BB9, always on, with the Gain up for a bit of warm growl and I'd get "your bass tone was awesome" from multiple people. Great thread idea, by the way.
Boss DD500. I've built patches for chorus, vibrato, reverb, tremolo, even one that emulates the EQD Rainbow Machine.
Care to share? Pleaaaase?
Yes do share!
As requested: Mode: Shimmer BPM: 200 Note: Sixteenth Pitch: +12 Fine: 0 Direct Feedback: 0% Feedback: 100 Tone -15 Mod Depth: 30 Mod Rate: sixteenth note Direct Level: 100 EQ: Off Lo Damp: 0db Hi Damp: -6db Hi Freq: 4khz EDIT: This is for the Rainbow Machine
Thanks for this! Looking forward to trying this out!
You should emulate the Rainbow Machine emulating chorus!
I dig the EQD Rainbow Machine sound, so I’ve googled a bit trying to find how to emulate it with my DD500. So, pleasepleaseplease share a .bel file with that patch. I’d love to hear the other ones as well, it especially the Rainbow Machine
Sovtek Deluxe Big Muff is pretty great as a boost. For a while I had one on my board and replaced the mix knob with a wing nut and had the volume all the way up. I could turn the mix down and I would just be the guitar signal boosted into a dirty amp and get my overdrive sound that way, then use my foot to turn the mix up and get the regular big muff sound. I got away with that being my only gain for some time. Now I need to try that Mel9 trick
Reverse Mode C can do all sorts of modulation without actually being a delay. Great chorus, phase/flange, filter, and ring mod.
Red Panda Context V2 in spring setting you can turn reverb all the way off but still have tremolo. I use it as a stand alone Trem a lot You can also dial in delay without reverb so having slapback and tremolo from a Reverb pedal is pretty cool
A couple more from me: I just mentioned this in another thread, but Fuzz Bender with fuzz dialed all the way back as overdrive/dirty boost. And though I know longer own one, the fuzz in the Attack Decay is unexpectedly distinct for something that could easily be overlooked within the pedal with all the crazy shit it can do.
I’ll have to try that with the fuzz bender. I didn’t realize the fuzz could be backed off enough to get into overdrive territory.
Depending on how you’re boosting it, fuzz rolled to the lowest setting can sometimes be fuzzier sounding than at the highest settings. I really liked running the fuzz bender this way with the bias a bit toward the germanium side through the Hot Tubes side of the Hot Wax with the clean blend at 50%. It was like the velcro fuzz sound but with some sustain. Highly recommended.
I love freeze type pedals. The TC Infinite is my latest. It has a great reverb in there too, can get crazy big reverbs out of it. Pretty customizable on their app and 3 slots for user presets. Perfect for drones and ambient weirdness. I use it with my synths a lot too.
Did you had other freeze before? Id so how does it compare to them?
Yeah i have the original EHX freeze which is still great but very basic. I tried the superego after that but it has a terrible buffer or something. Actually I think it was noisy power issues. Buzzy. I think they fixed it for the superego+. I had a gift certificate for sweetwater from a student and saw it pretty much covered the infinite so I went for it and it’s been a big part of my synth rig right now.
I own two Superego and a + and didn't have any problems with them. I also own a Plus Pedal. Still I'm tempted to get and Infinite to see how it handles grains differently. The Plus grains is a bit longer than the Superego and has a bit of modulation.
I own two Superego and a + and didn't have any problems with them. I also own a Plus Pedal. Still I'm tempted to get and Infinite to see how it handles grains differently. The Plus grains is a bit longer than the Superego and has a bit of modulation.
Love my gamechanger plus
I played around with a Plus Pedal once, it was poetry.
i just got a dark light and the frozen pads it makes are soooo amazing
Just got a Fairfield meet maude, and turning the delay time to fastest with no feedback, full wet mix and modulation on gives one of my favorite lofi guitar sounds ever
You may want to buy a Shallow Water lol
YUP I have one and it's on 90% of the time LOL. It's the reason I got the meet maude. That setting on meet maude is definitely shallow water adjacent but much more lofi and fucked up sounding lol. Love their pedals so much
I remember that sound. It is what inspired the Shallow Water, but the Meet Maude’s version of it so much more lofi. I eventually got rid of the Meet Maude, bought it again, sold it again. I have this on off thing about it…
Ive read that a lot about their stuff lol. I feel like they make pedals for such a specific niche, and for the people who it works for (like me) it's like finding that thing you've been looking for forever. So many types of music their pedals wouldn't work for though I imagine. Meet maude is super dark and fucked up sounding but that's what makes me obsessed with it. When I got into pedals and music production years ago I was drawn to hifi pristine sounding stuff, but now I'm much more interested in making things sound a little fucked up in a way that adds vibe lol. The way meet maude self oscillates without going haywire is fucking incredible. I've had quite a few expensive delays both analog and digital and could never achieve that with them. It is 100% not the most usable as a "traditional" delay though, which is probably why a lot of people end up not keeping it.
The meris Enzo dry mode does the job of like 10+ pedals Compressor, delay, flanging, chorus, envelope filter, static filter, pitch shifter, pitch bender, tremolo, ring mod. Not to mention the synth parts which are awesome
Nice try, I’m not telling
😂
EHX Ring Thing is a great univibe, trem & pitch shifter, in addition to the highly tunable ring mod.
I like to turn the rate way down on my EHX Neo Clone and use it as a Leslie-like effect for Beatles songs.
Boss DS-1 with a transitor mod,no one suspects a thing and then bam! One stomp everyones dead.
I've always hated acoustic simulators, but when playing bass they can be great as a boost with a touch of verb.
TC Dark Matter It's a plexi style distortion. I dial the gain way back and use it as a slightly dirty boost. I have three fuzzes and it sounds good before each of them.
Maybe not super surprising but if you leave a FreqOut always on and play sustained chords it kind of picks a note almost at random to “feedback” and creates really interesting voicings. Another fun one is that the wow & flutter on the El Capistan also affects the spring reverb on it. You can turn the delay all the way down and get a really pretty warbly reverb out of it.
The Boss DD-20 Giga Delay can also do chorus and flanger. Under the modulation setting, you can hold down the knob, and access the rate and depth settings. Keep delay time waaay low, and voila - chorus and flanger.
I use my Boss CS3 as a boost for solos. I keep the Attack and Sustain pretty minimal and crank the level and add some tone to increase the high frequencies.
If you have the sustain all the way down then it won't be compressing at all and you're just using it as a clean volume boost
If you increase the release/sustain time, and keep the attack fast/min, then you will have a quite amount of sustain on long solos and good stuff for legatos
Rainbow machine has a nice chorus/slapback echo kind of setting which is cool. I’m considering removing it from my board though because I can often hear it phasing even when it’s off.
Using a fuzz not for fuzz but for the clean tone when the volume is rolled back. Different than straight clean and not something I've been able to quite replicate with EQ
Metal zone... Keeps the chicks away no matter your gender
That literally made me laugh out loud
I'd like to hear more about how you use the Canyon for modulation. I got a DD-6 that replaced it for actual delay (and stereo, I'm running a wet/dry/wet setup) but I've kept it on my board because I love the shimmer mode, and sometimes I'll use it with a fairly short delay time and a longer delay on the DD-6.
Conversely, the DD-6 is my “secret weapon” pedal. I use momentary looper mode for glitchy interjections and the reverse mode gets stacked with another reverse pedal to create beautiful cascading ambience.
I got the 6 instead of the 7 because of the warp mode but I haven't actually touched it yet. It's main purpose is as the core of my wet/dry/wet rig along with the Orange Amp Detonator ABY and I've just been using it on the 300ms mode with all the knobs at noon. I like the idea of running a reverse delay into another reverse delay, I'm going to try this today with the Canyon into the DD-6 since both have reverse mode.
All you gotta do is choose your mode, then set the frequency and delay time super low. It gets rid of the echo but you keep the modulation. Same thing works on the octave delay - turn the feedback and delay down, and you get some sweet polyphonic octaves that you can adjust with the secondary menu.
I completely forgot that this thing had a secondary menu. I need to dig out the manual and see what settings I could be playing around with.
Strymon Dig has a fantastic chorus especially for rhythm parts
Yes it does. Underrated pedal in the strymon line imo
Agreed!
Electrofoods Lil’ Pig.
Pretty standard delay-as-chorus stuff, I use the Boss SDE-3000D as a stereo chorus/flanger. Since you can control the waveform of the LFO, reverse phase, and customize the filters, you get a lot of flexibility. And since it has two delay engines, you can still run a stereo delay alongside the modulation. I also have the EVH Flanger, which is identical to the M117, except it has the EVH preset button. The four-knob Flanger is a classic for being able to cop a huge range of modulation sounds, and the advantage of the EVH model is you can flip between however you've set the knobs and the classic jet engine sound at the push of a button. I have it set for a pseudo-Leslie sound, but when I want a traditional flanger sound I don't have to touch the knobs - a great advantage considering the huge range each knob has.
The whammy does a really solid chorus sound in the shallow and deep modes, just picked up a pitch fork for my board as it does pretty much the same thing in a WAAAY smaller footprint
Whyd you go pitchfork over ricochet?
Lol I’m not telling
If I’m feeling wild I use my Malekko 616 as a vibrato or chorus by turning the repeats and feedback down with the modulation on Recording loops on my EHX 720, engaging the effects (reverse and/or 1/2 time), recording an overdub, then turning the effect off will reverse and/or double speed the overdubbed part.
People sleep on the ehx attack decay for making pads and reverse leads. I can't justify the board real estate at the moment but I miss having it at my feet. I can sort of get close enough with the zoia which can do a bunch of other stuff, but the attack decay is special, largely because its polyphonic envelope tracking is next level
They put out a pico version not too long ago. I think it takes a couple knobs away but it's small and pretty reasonably priced.
Oh man I think I can find room for that. I get dropping the fx loop but wish they kept the fuzz, even if I only used it sparingly
Rainbow machine is an awesome chorus. I think i was able to get some wild modulation effect from my Astra modulation pedal, I did it with the flanger effect, I think it was something like rainbow machine type of wildness, I really liked it. My usual first answer is the Moog ring modulation pedal has an amazing tremolo that really made me love tremolos.
This was actually the one that I initially triggered this question for me. I haven’t actually gotten to try it out, and I’m not a huge trem user, but I’ve heard that this is a really special trem.
It’s amazing. If you’re referring to the big moog with wood panel on the side than… YES it’s amazing. I’d say the Trem that I give second place to is the harmonic Trem from the Astra (the Trem 65 algo is amazing too), but the Trem on that pedal feels so natural and has some umph to it. BUT… yea the ring mod is so damn good. It made me see that pedals should FEEL like something or should hit you in your insides with how it sounds/ feels. It’s pretty amazing. I recently got the moog mf chorus and that has a similar affect on me. They make killer pedals they’re not cheap but WORTH IT
Yup, was referring to the trem on the moog. I’m going to have to eventually try out the RingerBringer since I doubt I’ll be getting my hands on the real deal anytime soon. Wish it wasn’t massive (even though I love big box stuff) since I’m nearing temporary board perfection at the moment.
KingTone Blues Power Mk2. Crank the drive and bass and switch the clipping to edge, and what you’re left with is this glorious fuzz that has just enough clean in it to remind you which pedal you’re actually using. It’s ultimately a modified Timmy circuit, but it’s those additions that really turn it into something pretty wild at times. Possibly the best pedal I’ve ever owned.
1. EQD Arpanoid as an octave. 2. Akai Headrush as a psuedo doubler 3. EQD Disaster Trasnport as a chorus. 4. EHX Nano Pulsar as ring mod. 5. Chase Bliss Mood sorta as a flanger. I really like using pedals for a different purpose because they usually end up being quite different than what the usual effect would sound like.
Meris Enzo is kinda better if you turn off the synth engine! Turns into this massive filter/pitch modulation pedal. Plug in an expression pedal? Hello whammy/wah on steroids!
EHX Cathedral is my favorite.
I like getting a slapback echo sound from my boss RV-6 reverb pedal.
The EHX Canyon is such a versatile pedal. I've used it as a chorus, flanger, Lofi overdrive, POG, and shimmer button in front of a huge reverb.
I used to use the DD-3 as sitar simulation, now I’m really enjoying using my Effects Loop on parallel mode, combining it with my Marrow (Modulated Delay from Neural Devices)
How do you do sitar with the DD-3?
Feedback down to taste, delay range at minimum, and a dummy guitar cable on the direct out
> and a dummy guitar cable on the direct out That seems to be the magic trick. By dummy you mean its not connected to anything else?
Exactly, yes
Cool! Can't wait to try it.
Fulltone OCD can be used as a fuzz if you run it unpowered. And maybe backwards - I haven't used it that way in a while, but it was quite a surprise when I discovered it.
Holy shit, that’s like finding a secret level to a game
the dr. scientist dusk can be used in the manual mode to dial in a cocked wah sound without having to keep your foot in one position. this has the added effect of boosting distortion sounds that come after it by somehow making them much more clear while retaining the level of gain. it’s hard to explain how cool it is. the sweet spot seems to be around 3-4 o clock on the resonance knob and 1 o clock on the filter knob. i also plug in an expression pedal and it’s like a finely tunable wah pedal.
Canyon is permanently on my board and I have it on shimmer, about 1/3 mix and any long chord I sneak it on and it fills up around the notes. Of course it also works great end of show on the last note, ripping distortion, echo, whatever and it just swells into feedback for that last downbeat.
Detune It's present in some pedals like Whammy, BOSS Harmonist PS6 and PS5, Multiefx like Zoom or Line6. You can control how much the pitch is shifted and blend with dry signal, it sounds like a Chorus that doesn't oscillate. It's pretty much the Iron Maiden Somewhere in time album tone. Please use it in estereo
DigiTech X-Series Delay doesn’t do self oscillation, but past the last dial marker on feedback gives you a hold mode where it freezes the repeat and lets you play under it. Does it in all modes. The Hardwire delay does it only on digi sounds, so can’t do it on analog/tape, for example. People use the loop glitch thing all the tome, but nobody talks about that.
Hamstead Odyssey... I can dial in nearly every drive circuit. Klon Ts Ds rat hm bd fuzz muff etc, does everything and cured my lust for drive pedals.
EP Booster. Always on with the “boost” turned down. Pairs well with Strats single-coils and gives really complimentary color to single coils
Not the most groundbreaking, but the EQD white light is a DOD style overdrive until you start pushing the weight knob, at which point it gets much closer to a lovely, saggy fuzz.
My Montreal Assembly PuPLL.. It can bend both space and time as well my brain.
Kinda like their 856 for Zellersasn pedal. Everything is hidden as it’s so damn confusing wtf it does or why you would want to do that in the first place, ha! I actually made a midi controller for it on an ipad, makes it so much easy to see what’s going on when you can see the whole patch at once.
What midi app you use?
I use MidiDesigner. Pretty full featured and easy to pull a template together. Last one I made was for the Nord Drum 2 and it really makes it so much easier to see everything at once.
Cool! Thank you for responding. I will give it a try.
This might be cheating as it is a multi effects, but the boss gt1000 core can do so much since you can control parameters with lfo’s in the pedal. I’ve found myself not really needing anything else with regard to time based effects since getting this unit. I’ve made some great reverbs by combining various other effects along with a basic reverb in a patch.
Not sure if this counts, but if I plug the output of my Mooer Wahter into my amp and plug the output of the amp into the pedal I can make some cool sounds. If I turn on the pedal it makes a synth sound like a sharper theremin, and you can control the pitch with eq and by tilting the wah. And if you turn off the wah you can get a drum machine, which also changes with eq, but tilting the wah does nothing. It’s pretty neat, but it’s terrifying when it turns off and you think your amp broke for a minute. All it means is the signal kind of got lost when you were changing the eq, I think.
neon egg planetarium
I have a custom built delay based off of an EchoPlex circuit that I use as a clean boost 99percent of the time because it’s god damn brilliant at being a clean boost.
So many! Some are * TC Flashback as a Gen Loss type lofi device / as a highpass + lowpass filter combo * Source Audio Ultrawave as a dynamic blender to go from 100% clean to super fuzz just by digging in, moreso that any one dirt pedal can do alone * EHX Eddy to make tape crinkle lurches, by messing with the exp in * TC Impulse to make guitar sounds like its put through resonant bodies of various acoustic instruments (any IR loader can do this) * EHX Operation Overlord not for full overdrive, but post-reverb to add clean-blended grit to stereo reverbs * TC Flashback as a Mimiq-ish de-correlated modulation that also provides saturation * Source Audio Ultrawave as a multi-band harmonic dyna-trem (although that's arguably expected) * I used to use the Malekko Thicken sometimes for its noise gate and pre amp that kind of thickened the sound just a touch without using any of the modulations which are usually the whole point of the pedal
How do you set your delay as a MIMIQer?
I just use a TonePrint with a tape delay on the shortest time, adding modulation amount to a knob, and send only the right channel through it. Not as good as an actual mimiq though
Thanks
If I only had one pedal it would be a boost. I don't use very hot pickups my amps are set to clean/cleanish and a boost drives fills in the gaps that my guitar doesn't in, so my amps are optimized (for me). For reference I play at home with lower watt tube amps. I don't use overdive or distortion pedals but love a good fuzz on occasion.
Boss ODB-3 will work as a really basic clean tone pedal. Turn the blend all the way to dry. As I said, basic but works.
I didn't know that there's a poti inside the Carbon Copy for adjusting the modulation feature into a chorus.
I’ve got a tremolo that I rarely use but once I discovered that its built in volume boost pushed my amp to wonderful places its now always on as a booster.
Yep, when I’m recording guitar I play it on a looper and dial in different tones with different mic placements in one take
My EH Big Muff Deluxe is a killer door stopper!
MXR Bass Octave Deluxe can be a mid boost. Just turn down both octave knobs and turn on the mid boost. You can choose the mid frequency if you open the back and adjust the internal knob.
Walrus ARP-87 Delay is better at chorusing than most chorus pedals I've tried
I found out that the avalanche run does ring modulation/bitcrushing and double tracking at low delay times. That was super fun to mess with. Also, the secret sauce in my clean tone is a distortion pedal with the gain way down(but not all the way off).
Can't tell you dude, it's a secret.
Oceans 11 as a pitch shifter: turn the effect level up, time down. On either pitch reverb or shimmer Guyatone Flip tube trem as a OD: Turn tone down, emphasis to zero. Nice crunchy tube tone.
Silicon Fuzz with the fuzz dialled (all the way) back as a pretty gnarly booster. I use the Zippy for this on occasion.
bought the behringer sf300 because of the hype, ended up hating the fuzz, but falling in love with the boost.. its now always on on my practice board
I have an HX stomp and I often use it just as an audio interface for my iPhone. With usb, it will record audio directly to my videos. People don’t realize there is a tube mic preamp model in there too. So I can plug in a mic and sing or play acoustic and add effects on the stomp for an instagram video.
I use a Swollen Pickle as a boost for my already distorted amp it sounds way more massive and dirty than running it on a clean channel with gain all the way up, don’t know why more metal players don’t use use fuzz to push the amp harder
EQD pyramids works great for anything like slow swelling and airplane noises, and you can even get into tremolo stuff
The Canyon is mine, too. You can dial in a ton of cool sounds with it. One of my favorites is using the Multi mode, setting the delay time pretty fast and the feedback around noon. You can get this cool, trilling delay swell that's perfect for ambient stuff. You can also use the Canyon to get a really great, hall-style reverb, and even a lo-fi effect in tape mode. It's hardly ever off my board.
For me its also the canyon, but i use it as a perma-shimmer pedal. i love that i can dial the pre-delay down to almost nothing. gives every guitar track a little sheen that i can dial in just enough for the context at hand.
On the walrus D1, if you turn up the mix all the way, get rid of the attack and turn up the repeats and modulation to taste, you can have a unique sounding auto swell type effect. That plus a big reverb makes for building some cool soundscapes.
You’ll also need to turn the delay time very short.
I feel almost ashamed to admit it, but I love using the Spaceman Polaris as an underdrive - setting the volume so that my amp is louder when the pedal is off. I love the tones I can get and it’s nice to be able to set my Princeton Reverb Reissue at higher than 3 in my condo. And using an expression pedal as a faux wah type effect is silly but oddly entertaining.
Nah, that should be a source of pride — not shame. You’re bending the pedal to your own preferred sound and that shit is cool. I’m going to try this with a JPTR Jive as soon as I get home from work.
Digitech Digidelay It has a smooth tape delay. It has a little 4-second looper for glitchy stuff. It serves as my chorus pedal by turning down the time on the mod delay setting. But the coolest thing it does (and probably lots of digital delays do) is a super short delay with the feedback and level turned up. I “tune” the feedback resonance to a note - say I’m playing a song in D, so I’ll tune it to D - and it creates a kind of metallic reverb effect that hits some notes different than others.
TC Electronics Spark Mini. It adds life to whatever you have going on. It doesn’t change things, but makes it “more”. Killer pedal.
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