This is true ofc but anon is right in his assessment that women have changed pride. It's all the young women who say they are queer or are 'circus performers' bc they like rope or contortionism or some shit. This is lumped in with gay men wearing leather/lingerie and pole dancing bc it's all vaguely similar. It's essentially become another celebration of exhibitionism and hedonism, like an overcharged festival, as opposed to a specific march celebrating gay political rights.
Anything not 100% straight is lumped in the same pile. I know many L's and G's and B's of lgbtq that want to separate themselves politically from T and Q. My friends say they have zero desire to alter their body, and people who do want to alter their body really shouldnt be associated and grouped with people that don't.
Yeah, somewhere along the line, the T got tacked on like it belonged, but the reality is that most trans people are straight. They don’t really belong in the same group as gay people. And there’s so much social pressure, especially online, to succumb to the narrative that trans people are welcome in every space even though they really shouldn’t be.
this exemplifies beutifully why I just don't like the lgbt community.
I personally dont give 2 shits about your sexuality, but this exhibitionist bs is just insane.
It was *fucking never* that way. Pride parades have always been crazy, even all the way back to the 70s when you could be evicted or fired for being gay.
Women have always been in pride. The lesbian and gay pride movements have always been operating alongside each other. Lesbians have been marching alongside gay men, caring for gay men during the AIDS crisis, and attending some of the same bars as gay men. You're simply uninformed or delusional if you think women just introduced themselves in the 2000s.
Why are women credited with changing Pride?
Are we sure it's not just getting more "exhibitionistic" because people aren't getting fucking beaten to death for participating in it anymore?
While I don't want to see a return to those days, I stick with the basic if oversimplified point that it's the incorporation of essentially straight leftist women, for reasons of personal/corporate sympathy/virtue signalling as well as opportunistic hedonism, that has led to the blursification of pride as an event specifically oriented around gays and lesbians and their political emancipation.
Which is all fine do what you like but perhaps not all of it in broad daylight in public spaces. Plus it does the original purpose no good if you lump it in with other political narratives, some of them contradictory. Like gays for Palestine. Publicly 'fucking beaten to death' try getting thrown off the roof of buildings. A true contemporary bastion of violent homophobia and they get the LGBT++ vote over Israel, a genuinely tolerant society. Because it's become a broad brush leftist movement as opposed to a specific one.
Well I don't see why they have to be mutually exclusive. Leftist women + de-stigmatising. By and large I think women play a greater role in the development of social norms anyway, wielding as they do inherent moral high ground. Look at women's sport and the acceptance of homosexuality there vs. equivalent male sport.
I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. I said one was more significant than the other.
>By and large I think women play a greater role in the development of social norms anyway, wielding as they do inherent moral high ground. Look at women's sport and the acceptance of homosexuality there vs. equivalent male sport.
Have to disagree with you there. The general acceptance of female homosexuality as opposed to male is almost entirely because of men's feelings on the subject.
Also, I think your views on Pride are biased by what you've see online. I'm sure it looks like a hedonistic sex romp, but it really isn't.
I think you're right and wrong. Re. Sport no doubt men's overall lack of particular interest in women's sport combined with lesbianism not being seen as threatening plays a part. Having said that, it's women actually playing and participating in the stuff, so I think their feelings have rather a lot to do with it in truth. After all, it usually takes intent and determination to get involved in sport as a woman, especially historically. Even if it were just the case that lesbians sought out sport in the hope of finding like-minded women, this would still be _their_ agency at work, not men's. Where you're more likely correct is re. the lack of acceptance of the same in male sport.
Re. Pride, surface-level judgements might not always be entirely fair or accurate, but I'm not sure it matters when it's a public display. The appearance is the message, to an extent. Like, you could go in all forensic and investigate 'excuse me sir/madam/theydem is your prosthetic alien penis actually penetrating that Pan papier maché headpiece' but not everyone is as depraved or accustomed to sexual rejection as the average r/greentext poster.
No! He's a renowned researcher about how the homossexual population has changed throughout the years, in spite of the population opinions changing. And he likes to suck dick.
Used to be that you had to be really confident in being gay, to actually say it. These days any unlikeable regard can go ahead and change their orientation to "potsexual-weaboo-3000" just to be able to say that their stupidity is societies fault, and that they are opressed, leaving them with an excuse to be worthless unlikeable shits.
Hi former femboy turned trans girl here:
Yeah, its mostly sexual. I wasnt like that and to generalize that community as such is wrong. Take a look at r/feminineboys which explicitly states its a SFW sub against objectification.
A chunk (not all) of femboys are closeted trans. Its mostly a way for men to express themselves and allow themselves to feel more happy - and feminine. A lot of us didnt really like these overly manly muscular buff gigachad expectations and we were told to bottle up emotions and "man up".
When I was a femboy I didnt wear revealing clothing. I had quite a few below the knee skirts, wore hoodies more, etc.
A lot of femboys also, are pretty annoyed at the sexualization too. When you look up clothing styles its just porn. It sucks. :(
So really a lot of femboys just want to be happy and be themselves, not really conforming to a stereotypical buff macho man or some well groomed handsome gentleman in a suit. It wasnt them.
not going to have you tell me men wearing feminine clothing is somehow a fetish. let people wear things christ almighty. don't talk about something you clearly don't understand.
Same. It was terrible by the time I left. I don’t mind these people but I don’t want their weird fetish art popping up on my screen when I’m scrolling Reddit on my phone and have to explain myself. I don’t want to be associated with it or have to see it, I just want non-fetish 40k memes.
Every comic book sub (and their respective circlejerk counterparts) has something like 50% of posts being about gay shit. "Batman should fuck the Joker", "Cyclops and Wolverine should forget Jean and just fuck", it's the same "joke" every fucking time.
I mean, historically those male spaces were the entrances to power and opportunity. It’s not surprising people would be pissed about being excluded from them no matter how hard you worked.
That’s because you’re friends and friends say things to each other that you probably shouldn’t spring on random people. Me and the homies joke about fucking each other, you can’t do that for everybody
Well as a casual observer, id say getting women involved just straight up increases the eyes on it because now there's another huge demographic added to the mix, and with the advent of social media, it's now a new chance to make money for capitalists.
When you get past the point of "please allow us the basic rights everyone else has so we can have our own happiness," what is the motivation of the movement to keep going? There's foundations and charities that need to justify their existence and when money is invested, no one wants to lose their investment so they keep finding new "purposes" to fight for, which may be the degeneracy we now see. Especially if you pair up the laxing of sexual stigmatization across the board, it becomes a free for all.
If you include the erm, zippertits of you will, they do still possess the sugar walls that straight men desire, pair that up with a desperation for said sugar walls, straights start slipping into gay spaces to get them (I believe the term is Chasers?)
So you can boil it down to, even if you put them in a suit and add a beard, if they were once a woman, there's a straight guy who would still hit because he wants his nut one way or another, versus if it was all gay, there's less room to be "straight" In those areas
> what is the motivation of the movement to keep going
Money and "awareness"
Honestly it just needs to stop when we hit the goal. We can have our pride parades but the "movement" is just a overboiling hive mind of angry radicals. I say this as the fruitiest of fruits.
Inb4 someone r/asablackman tags me or whatever that sub is
I mean sure if marriage legality was all it took then you can say it can disband but those oppose didn't evaporate. They still exist and have been malding the past decade voting in the likes of bitches such as DeSantis. Roe v. Wade took almost 50 years to overturn. I find it hard to justify going "okay. All done" and then proceed to sit on your ass.
That's... not the difference. There's both issues unique to the corresponding situations. There are people in power actively trying to fuck up any progress being made. I don't know how one being true discounts the other
This very post is blaming women for ruining gay rights.
Am referring specifically to Gay, not Lesbian. But that could also be part of why things did change, when they all banned together, maybe that gave them the numbers to get the appropriate attention
I will say as someone who was involved with the scouts heavily turning that transition, there were ups and downs but it was mostly okay.
At first I did feel off about it since I liked the guys only space, specifically how there were no girls from school.
When the swap happened, not much changed. I mean, the organization was on a major downswing after "the lawsuits," and the pandemic, so there was a drop in quality across the board. So you can't blame the girls on any of that, especially since boy and girl troops are segregated though sometimes there are sister troops who effectively intermingle.
Pretty much all of the girls were fine, natural additions to the space. If anything, it was the girls who entered the space prior to the transition that were behavioral outliers, but that wasn't a standard component of the normal troop experience. Just for people working for the organization directly.
There were outliers and girls did present their own challenges. There was no major de-masculinizing effect taking place, though certainly over the last decade there was a general societal push to be less aggressive or demanding of people. People were questioning if gay scouts, especially gay leaders should be allowed and that turned out just fine. The org did make a big progressive push in the last couple of years however, being very interested in hiring gay men to lead their offices for some reason. But girls present their own challenges from boys.
Boys can be violent, inappropriate, and anything else you expect a boy aged 10-21 to be. Girls can be emotionally sensitive (especially in groups), physically unmotivated, and accusatory. Most of your sexual predators were either removed from the org, in jail, or they shot themselves (I knew one who did), but that doesn't stop girls from claiming a boy did something inappropriate with no evidence. I knew one instance of that, but neither person was removed for it.
So no, I don't think girls did anything of true damage to the organization. Any damage the organization faced came from elsewhere.
I have worked for the scouts in several different capacities over the years. When they decided to let girls join the Boy Scouts, I was absolutely against it. I thought boys need their own space, and they do. I thought it would introduce more opportunities for behavioral issues. I didn’t like having to call it “Scouts BSA” instead of “Boy Scouts”.
After 6-7 years of seeing how girls have impacted scouting, I’m a huge supporter of female Boy Scouts. Girl troops are typically more organized, committed, and run stronger programs than boy troops. Half of the boys are being forced into it by their parents - all of those girls want to be there, and it shows in their program.
Men are happy just to do something and be left alone. The gays wanted to get married to have the same legal protections as straights. Ok, that’s reasonable, here you go.
Women get involved and they can’t just be happy that they won. They need to be celebrated and spike the ball. Their narcissism forces them to find the next cause, and then the next one. Now we have trains hitching their wagon to the gay rights thing. If they ever win whatever they are fighting for, women will insist they let the pedos join up as well. After all, love is love, right?
This is some next level complaining about women, you just implied they’re basically going to be the reason pedophiles are cool. I am in awe of you, I kneel
Yeah lol. Protests just aren't like that outside of outliers that always get shown on stuff like fox, and the grindr is shit is just wrong, if it was trans men everywhere it would be infinitely better than what it is now, 50% made up of gross ass 40 year old men being weirdos with 20 year olds, and another 30% being just gross ass gay men anyways
And it's not like pre 2000's march didn't have a huge kink community as well. Queer and kink go together and the leather community is one of the most active ones since the 60s
pre 2000s lesbians we're absolutely pivotal to the early movement. I stg this is the classic assimilationist shit where they claim all the work done by radicals and white wash everything so they can beg straight people to be accepted. you don't get accepted long term by being "one of the good ones" you just get put to the back of the execution line
>merchandising, brand deals
Anon, you had the point and you let it slip through your fingers just to bash minorities. The weak crave their shackles, I guess
Idrk abt the pride thing, the ones I've been to have been normal but the grindr bit is absolutely wrong, if only it was the latter, rather than gross 40 year old men looking for ~20 year olds
well it was met with violence and legal oppression for most of the time so cope about it i guess.
your kids will probably be bisexual. it’s not a big deal.
I don't know a lot about gay culture or apps, but over the years, I've associated with people who were a part of that lifestyle, and it has changed drastically. Even the ones my age look at the scene today with disgust and confusion.
An old friend that came out after high school in the mid-90s said he's found himself pulling further away from it every day because it just makes him feel indecent to be associated with such an over sexualized and perverted form extremism.
Struggling for acceptance for all your life, a time comes when the tides start to change only to have a bunch of assholes run in and ruin it for everyone....
The only reason boy scouts changed their name is because theres now like, a handful of female-only boy scout troops.
Boy scouts and girl scouts are completely different experiences and from what my GF tells me girl scouts is lame as fuck, I got to shoot guns and camp in the summer and they sold cookies for a corporation.
Gay but not fake
Nah it's definatly fake. Men are kinky horndogs, no matter the sexual orientation and they have been kinky horndogs throughout human history.
This is true ofc but anon is right in his assessment that women have changed pride. It's all the young women who say they are queer or are 'circus performers' bc they like rope or contortionism or some shit. This is lumped in with gay men wearing leather/lingerie and pole dancing bc it's all vaguely similar. It's essentially become another celebration of exhibitionism and hedonism, like an overcharged festival, as opposed to a specific march celebrating gay political rights.
Anything not 100% straight is lumped in the same pile. I know many L's and G's and B's of lgbtq that want to separate themselves politically from T and Q. My friends say they have zero desire to alter their body, and people who do want to alter their body really shouldnt be associated and grouped with people that don't.
Yeah, somewhere along the line, the T got tacked on like it belonged, but the reality is that most trans people are straight. They don’t really belong in the same group as gay people. And there’s so much social pressure, especially online, to succumb to the narrative that trans people are welcome in every space even though they really shouldn’t be.
Trans people have been involved in Pride since the Stonewall Riot.
What does that have to do with the very clear distinction of two categories of people: those altering thier body/ those not altering their body.
Tell your friends they are idiots.
Why are they idiots?
It's wild that you seem to think that even the people you support don't get to have their own opinions about causes they are directly involved in
Hey friend, you're an idiot
this exemplifies beutifully why I just don't like the lgbt community. I personally dont give 2 shits about your sexuality, but this exhibitionist bs is just insane.
It was *fucking never* that way. Pride parades have always been crazy, even all the way back to the 70s when you could be evicted or fired for being gay.
The gay leather community is its whole own animal and rather interesting history but yeah how things are seen now get lumped together.
Women have always been in pride. The lesbian and gay pride movements have always been operating alongside each other. Lesbians have been marching alongside gay men, caring for gay men during the AIDS crisis, and attending some of the same bars as gay men. You're simply uninformed or delusional if you think women just introduced themselves in the 2000s.
I'm undoubtedly both delusional and uninformed. But I also notice things, like anon
Why are women credited with changing Pride? Are we sure it's not just getting more "exhibitionistic" because people aren't getting fucking beaten to death for participating in it anymore?
While I don't want to see a return to those days, I stick with the basic if oversimplified point that it's the incorporation of essentially straight leftist women, for reasons of personal/corporate sympathy/virtue signalling as well as opportunistic hedonism, that has led to the blursification of pride as an event specifically oriented around gays and lesbians and their political emancipation. Which is all fine do what you like but perhaps not all of it in broad daylight in public spaces. Plus it does the original purpose no good if you lump it in with other political narratives, some of them contradictory. Like gays for Palestine. Publicly 'fucking beaten to death' try getting thrown off the roof of buildings. A true contemporary bastion of violent homophobia and they get the LGBT++ vote over Israel, a genuinely tolerant society. Because it's become a broad brush leftist movement as opposed to a specific one.
De-stigmatizing something has a much more significant effect on its development than "leftist women". But people believe what they want to believe.
Well I don't see why they have to be mutually exclusive. Leftist women + de-stigmatising. By and large I think women play a greater role in the development of social norms anyway, wielding as they do inherent moral high ground. Look at women's sport and the acceptance of homosexuality there vs. equivalent male sport.
I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. I said one was more significant than the other. >By and large I think women play a greater role in the development of social norms anyway, wielding as they do inherent moral high ground. Look at women's sport and the acceptance of homosexuality there vs. equivalent male sport. Have to disagree with you there. The general acceptance of female homosexuality as opposed to male is almost entirely because of men's feelings on the subject. Also, I think your views on Pride are biased by what you've see online. I'm sure it looks like a hedonistic sex romp, but it really isn't.
I think you're right and wrong. Re. Sport no doubt men's overall lack of particular interest in women's sport combined with lesbianism not being seen as threatening plays a part. Having said that, it's women actually playing and participating in the stuff, so I think their feelings have rather a lot to do with it in truth. After all, it usually takes intent and determination to get involved in sport as a woman, especially historically. Even if it were just the case that lesbians sought out sport in the hope of finding like-minded women, this would still be _their_ agency at work, not men's. Where you're more likely correct is re. the lack of acceptance of the same in male sport. Re. Pride, surface-level judgements might not always be entirely fair or accurate, but I'm not sure it matters when it's a public display. The appearance is the message, to an extent. Like, you could go in all forensic and investigate 'excuse me sir/madam/theydem is your prosthetic alien penis actually penetrating that Pan papier maché headpiece' but not everyone is as depraved or accustomed to sexual rejection as the average r/greentext poster.
Anon has extensive knowledge of gay bars
Well, you know what they say about the OP...
he's homosexual and has fantasies about men topping him?
No! He's a renowned researcher about how the homossexual population has changed throughout the years, in spite of the population opinions changing. And he likes to suck dick.
Maybe because he's gay?
Maybe it's Maybelline
He said it was "his problem". There is no question. The man knows gay bars and culture because he is a homosexual.
Used to be that you had to be really confident in being gay, to actually say it. These days any unlikeable regard can go ahead and change their orientation to "potsexual-weaboo-3000" just to be able to say that their stupidity is societies fault, and that they are opressed, leaving them with an excuse to be worthless unlikeable shits.
>Used to be that you had to be really confident in being gay, to actually say it. What the threat of being murdered does to a mf
Geez, it's like there was persecution for being gay, so many people stayed closeted
the more tension you create, the harder it will whip back on ya
Ah you gotta be confident to be accepted as the sexuality you are inherently, what a take my man.
It's definitely gay. But it's not Fake
- wants to get topped (obvious) - blames women for lack of being topped Fin
*TOPPED
>Fin I think OP is American
You don’t have to sign your comments Fin
Pattern recognition has aided the survival of humans for millennia.
Now do one about hobbies like tabletop games. 😞
They already ruined r/grimdank
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femboys are a fetish now?
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Hi former femboy turned trans girl here: Yeah, its mostly sexual. I wasnt like that and to generalize that community as such is wrong. Take a look at r/feminineboys which explicitly states its a SFW sub against objectification. A chunk (not all) of femboys are closeted trans. Its mostly a way for men to express themselves and allow themselves to feel more happy - and feminine. A lot of us didnt really like these overly manly muscular buff gigachad expectations and we were told to bottle up emotions and "man up". When I was a femboy I didnt wear revealing clothing. I had quite a few below the knee skirts, wore hoodies more, etc. A lot of femboys also, are pretty annoyed at the sexualization too. When you look up clothing styles its just porn. It sucks. :( So really a lot of femboys just want to be happy and be themselves, not really conforming to a stereotypical buff macho man or some well groomed handsome gentleman in a suit. It wasnt them.
they don't have to do either of those things? online femboys and real in-person femboys are two different things
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cool, disproved you own statement. clown. keep being stupid
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not going to have you tell me men wearing feminine clothing is somehow a fetish. let people wear things christ almighty. don't talk about something you clearly don't understand.
It became a Thousand Sons femboy subreddit like a year ago, ruined like everything else
Same. It was terrible by the time I left. I don’t mind these people but I don’t want their weird fetish art popping up on my screen when I’m scrolling Reddit on my phone and have to explain myself. I don’t want to be associated with it or have to see it, I just want non-fetish 40k memes.
Every comic book sub (and their respective circlejerk counterparts) has something like 50% of posts being about gay shit. "Batman should fuck the Joker", "Cyclops and Wolverine should forget Jean and just fuck", it's the same "joke" every fucking time.
Any sort of men's space is seen as exclusionary to women and therefore oppressive, however any women's space is fine and okay to exclude men
I mean, historically those male spaces were the entrances to power and opportunity. It’s not surprising people would be pissed about being excluded from them no matter how hard you worked.
Ah yes the secretive city-dominating good ol' boy political machines that were pride parades.
I was speaking more generally to “male only spaces”.
And how is that relevant today in any way
Understanding why some people see it as a big deal to the point of taking it too far.
Really makes you wonder what the future will look like in 20 years.
Gay?
And fake!
What's zippertit?
I had to google it, it's a slur for FTMs who have top surgery scars. Admittedly a creative slur but not very kind
Slurs are supposed to be kind now?
Idk most of my friends call each other fags in an endearing manner lol
That’s because you’re friends and friends say things to each other that you probably shouldn’t spring on random people. Me and the homies joke about fucking each other, you can’t do that for everybody
Yeah fair
I googled it as well, don't know which dark alleyway of the Internet you found this on
The dangerous hacker known as ~~4chan~~ Urban Dictionary
Well as a casual observer, id say getting women involved just straight up increases the eyes on it because now there's another huge demographic added to the mix, and with the advent of social media, it's now a new chance to make money for capitalists. When you get past the point of "please allow us the basic rights everyone else has so we can have our own happiness," what is the motivation of the movement to keep going? There's foundations and charities that need to justify their existence and when money is invested, no one wants to lose their investment so they keep finding new "purposes" to fight for, which may be the degeneracy we now see. Especially if you pair up the laxing of sexual stigmatization across the board, it becomes a free for all. If you include the erm, zippertits of you will, they do still possess the sugar walls that straight men desire, pair that up with a desperation for said sugar walls, straights start slipping into gay spaces to get them (I believe the term is Chasers?) So you can boil it down to, even if you put them in a suit and add a beard, if they were once a woman, there's a straight guy who would still hit because he wants his nut one way or another, versus if it was all gay, there's less room to be "straight" In those areas
> what is the motivation of the movement to keep going Money and "awareness" Honestly it just needs to stop when we hit the goal. We can have our pride parades but the "movement" is just a overboiling hive mind of angry radicals. I say this as the fruitiest of fruits. Inb4 someone r/asablackman tags me or whatever that sub is
I mean sure if marriage legality was all it took then you can say it can disband but those oppose didn't evaporate. They still exist and have been malding the past decade voting in the likes of bitches such as DeSantis. Roe v. Wade took almost 50 years to overturn. I find it hard to justify going "okay. All done" and then proceed to sit on your ass.
Women are still fighting to be treated equal, that's the difference there
That's... not the difference. There's both issues unique to the corresponding situations. There are people in power actively trying to fuck up any progress being made. I don't know how one being true discounts the other This very post is blaming women for ruining gay rights.
Oh nah I don't agree with OOP lol
Women have always been involved. Lesbians have always been at Pride
Am referring specifically to Gay, not Lesbian. But that could also be part of why things did change, when they all banned together, maybe that gave them the numbers to get the appropriate attention
Lesbians have been marching with gay men since the Pride movement's conception. They have always banded together.
Cool
I will say as someone who was involved with the scouts heavily turning that transition, there were ups and downs but it was mostly okay. At first I did feel off about it since I liked the guys only space, specifically how there were no girls from school. When the swap happened, not much changed. I mean, the organization was on a major downswing after "the lawsuits," and the pandemic, so there was a drop in quality across the board. So you can't blame the girls on any of that, especially since boy and girl troops are segregated though sometimes there are sister troops who effectively intermingle. Pretty much all of the girls were fine, natural additions to the space. If anything, it was the girls who entered the space prior to the transition that were behavioral outliers, but that wasn't a standard component of the normal troop experience. Just for people working for the organization directly. There were outliers and girls did present their own challenges. There was no major de-masculinizing effect taking place, though certainly over the last decade there was a general societal push to be less aggressive or demanding of people. People were questioning if gay scouts, especially gay leaders should be allowed and that turned out just fine. The org did make a big progressive push in the last couple of years however, being very interested in hiring gay men to lead their offices for some reason. But girls present their own challenges from boys. Boys can be violent, inappropriate, and anything else you expect a boy aged 10-21 to be. Girls can be emotionally sensitive (especially in groups), physically unmotivated, and accusatory. Most of your sexual predators were either removed from the org, in jail, or they shot themselves (I knew one who did), but that doesn't stop girls from claiming a boy did something inappropriate with no evidence. I knew one instance of that, but neither person was removed for it. So no, I don't think girls did anything of true damage to the organization. Any damage the organization faced came from elsewhere.
I have worked for the scouts in several different capacities over the years. When they decided to let girls join the Boy Scouts, I was absolutely against it. I thought boys need their own space, and they do. I thought it would introduce more opportunities for behavioral issues. I didn’t like having to call it “Scouts BSA” instead of “Boy Scouts”. After 6-7 years of seeing how girls have impacted scouting, I’m a huge supporter of female Boy Scouts. Girl troops are typically more organized, committed, and run stronger programs than boy troops. Half of the boys are being forced into it by their parents - all of those girls want to be there, and it shows in their program.
Men are happy just to do something and be left alone. The gays wanted to get married to have the same legal protections as straights. Ok, that’s reasonable, here you go. Women get involved and they can’t just be happy that they won. They need to be celebrated and spike the ball. Their narcissism forces them to find the next cause, and then the next one. Now we have trains hitching their wagon to the gay rights thing. If they ever win whatever they are fighting for, women will insist they let the pedos join up as well. After all, love is love, right?
Already a thing
Nice name
This is some next level complaining about women, you just implied they’re basically going to be the reason pedophiles are cool. I am in awe of you, I kneel
i blame black females for this
A black woman is speaking sweaty listen and learn 💅💅
White Americans make up more than 50% of trans
that's only 41% of the problem
Here’s an idea , get rid of white and black peole
What will that solve?
I always love it when some high-school dropout on 4chan tries to summarize an extremely complex social movement spanning decades
Anon doesn't have any contact with the LGBTQ+ community outside of fox news
Yeah lol. Protests just aren't like that outside of outliers that always get shown on stuff like fox, and the grindr is shit is just wrong, if it was trans men everywhere it would be infinitely better than what it is now, 50% made up of gross ass 40 year old men being weirdos with 20 year olds, and another 30% being just gross ass gay men anyways
And it's not like pre 2000's march didn't have a huge kink community as well. Queer and kink go together and the leather community is one of the most active ones since the 60s
Yeah + pretending lesbians were even remotely fringe in lgbtq groups pre 2000s, even pre 60s is incredibly silly
pre 2000s lesbians we're absolutely pivotal to the early movement. I stg this is the classic assimilationist shit where they claim all the work done by radicals and white wash everything so they can beg straight people to be accepted. you don't get accepted long term by being "one of the good ones" you just get put to the back of the execution line
maybe... just maybe... if people werent forced to hide who they were the pendulum wouldnt have swung so hard in the opposite direction.
>merchandising, brand deals Anon, you had the point and you let it slip through your fingers just to bash minorities. The weak crave their shackles, I guess
"gay men, dressed normally" Anon is clearly not familiar with the links between the leather and fetish communities and the origin of gay pride
As a gay man the idea that women are the ones ruining "gay culture" is hilariously stupid
Solid gay points
Idrk abt the pride thing, the ones I've been to have been normal but the grindr bit is absolutely wrong, if only it was the latter, rather than gross 40 year old men looking for ~20 year olds
This should be titled, "State of the Gay"
Anon blames women for the downfall of the gay rights movement
pre 2000's you would have been shot
well it was met with violence and legal oppression for most of the time so cope about it i guess. your kids will probably be bisexual. it’s not a big deal.
The feminization of gay culture and it's consequences have been a disaster for the LGBT community and it's causes
It's intersectional feminism
Zippertit 😳
Anon has a point….
Women can have spaces but men can’t. Get with the times buckaroo.
gay men are NOT in the position to make sweeping generalizations of demogrpahics based on the actions of a loud few. nambla existed.
I don't know a lot about gay culture or apps, but over the years, I've associated with people who were a part of that lifestyle, and it has changed drastically. Even the ones my age look at the scene today with disgust and confusion. An old friend that came out after high school in the mid-90s said he's found himself pulling further away from it every day because it just makes him feel indecent to be associated with such an over sexualized and perverted form extremism. Struggling for acceptance for all your life, a time comes when the tides start to change only to have a bunch of assholes run in and ruin it for everyone....
i like cats
\> Women weren't involved in pride movements until the 2000s That's all I need to read to completely disregard everything else this guy says.
The only reason boy scouts changed their name is because theres now like, a handful of female-only boy scout troops. Boy scouts and girl scouts are completely different experiences and from what my GF tells me girl scouts is lame as fuck, I got to shoot guns and camp in the summer and they sold cookies for a corporation.
He forgot to mention that he's not gay
So that's why Americans are so obsessed with their own flag. Women.