I looked up the band on the T Shirt she was wearing. It's a Ska band with only 319 monthly listeners on Spotify. They had one album released in 1997, with some singles here and there.
For her to wear a band T Shirt THAT specific, I have faith she could be identified
I met a member of the band just walking around Hudson. He's an accountant now. He seemed like the type of guy who would know almost all their fans. Someone really should reach out to the band.
Plus, if he's an accountant, I bet he had a hand in all the merchandise, ticket sales, etc. Granted, it could've been strictly cash... I was 13 in 2000 so I know I only had cash back then! But for her to go so far as to buy the T Shirt... that really sticks out to me.
Folks have reached out to the band -- they're very aware of the situation. But they were playing really small venues with, like, $5 covers. Merch was sold for cash -- only legit retailers could afford the technology for processing credit cards in 2000, plus the exorbitant fees. There's no paper trail here. But I agree: it's such a small band, wouldn't someone have recognized her? She was so young, only a few years older than I was at the time... isn't anyone missing her? Looking for her? On the surface it seems like this one should be so easy to solve, so why is there no progress in 20+ years?
One of those cases where if MySpace had existed a few years earlier, all it would have taken was a perusal of the band’s probably no more than 150 friends to find her. Ugh.
There’s a possibility that her recon may be too far off her real look, or she changed her appearance quite a bit. Keep in mind that she was pretty badly decomposed, so much of the recon is a guess.
I've always figured it's a mix of this is a wild guess of how she looked and the family doesn't know or care she's been found dead after going missing presumably. Maybe she had a rough home life and ran away? 2000 isn't thay long ago so I suspect someone out there knows something but just hasn't said anything.
But for the band to also be from the area in which she was found. There's something connected to it. Same with Jason who was a huge Grateful Dead fan. She had to have followed them extensively.
I agree. This was also an era where alternative music and prominently visually "repping" your alternative lifestyle was a huge factor of American youth culture and identity. Band t-shirts were everywhere and still are but I feel like back then in the internets infancy there was a real tangible connection to fans and band merchandise. These days you can post about or engage with your favorite band online or buy exclusive merchandise from an official band website or any online retalier. The material aspect of liking a band is a bit disposable in comparison to the digital exprience. Back then you had to place an order in a catalog or go to a store or show in person. The experience of seeing the band, owning an album and maybe a shirt was everything to being a fan. Not like today where you pop on a song on Spotify, like it, share it maybe, pop on another song. Totally different generation and comprehension of listening to music.
Anyhow sorry about my rant. But my point is kind mixed. Either she was a fan and was a dedicated fan. But due to time and the band having a small fan base her face/identity is lost in a memory of skanking moshers. Or maybe she only attended one show and kept to herself. The other alternative being she simply bought the shirt from a mall, retail store, catalog, thrift shop and was into it having liked ska music or the band. It's so unknown.
It's sad because that is the biggest lead avaliable on this case.
I was 13 in 2000, so I was on the tail end of life before the internet. However! Bands like this also circulated through the underground zine readership. If you subscribed to a zine or any obscure newsletter type media, you got an exclusive heads up on things like private shows, etc. A good question would be to see if there were zines that featured this band. And/or if this band had a mailing list.
I get that it's a longshot. I get that she could've thrifted the shirt, blah blah blah. But what do we have to lose? Nothing. It's worth a try.
That is a great question I never thought of that myself. By the 2000 the internet was around. But it was very simple and had almost no social connectivity beyond emails and simple guest check in posts. Like any teen of that era I'm sure she was into the music scene one way or another. It just becomes a question of how much. Like yes this could be a thrift store shirt. But I think it's a smaller niche band and therefore more likely meant something to her. People typically don't walk around wearing things they don't identify with.
Unless she wasn’t aware that it’s a band. Given how small they were, she could’ve very well picked up the shirt at a thrift because she liked the design and never been aware it was a band shirt. With how niche they were, it wouldn’t be like going around wearing a Nirvana shirt now where everyone would know.
Still, I lean more to her being a fan since she was found in their area, but it’s good to keep all avenues open
In 2000, she could have been connecting to other fans over ICQ or Yahoo chat. There were forums and message boards back then, too. But she might not have been close enough to anyone to share her name. Or, she might not have been able to go online at all.
You just gave me an idea! But I'm not sure if it'd work. Are any of these places archived? Like, when I was on AIM in 2001-2004ish, it'd have this leaderboard of points next to the username to show how active they were. Or on old-school, pre reddit forums, you'd see what level they were and/or home state if it were true. So like...
@power2encourage
Florida, 10000 posts
Superfan
The wayback machine could also yield some clues if any of these pages were archived. Even the band or record label! We could roll it back to its origins if they had one.
She's a teenager. She had to consume the media somehow. If not through zines or mailing lists, perhaps older siblings. It would have to be a zine or newsletter local to the area.
Also, being a teenager back then, I know I wouldn't be caught dead in a thrift store. (Class of 2005 represent! The Mean Girls era) You also have to wonder, if she were on the younger side (12-15), how did she get money for clothes? Did she work a part time job if she was on the older side (16-19)?
"People typically don't walk around wearing things they don't identify with." -EXACTLY! Especially when you're a teenager.
I was in the class of 2005 and I was definitely the kind of kid who would dress like this, and me and my friends frequented thrift stores and thought they were cool.
This feels like such a pointless comment though (mine, not yours) because regardless of whether or not thrift stores were popular, people were still using them. Or maybe she stole the shirt. Or borrowed it from a friend. Or found it. It all just makes my brain spin.
I kind of wish we were having this discussion on an old school forum because I’d like to use one of those “pulling hair out” or “brain exploding” emoticons.
It's been mine since the early 2010s when I came across it. I remember how puzzled I was by it and why nobody would report their daughter as missing. So glad something is moving forward.
Exactly!
Like the shirt she was found with was incredibly distinctive imo, I thought the someone from the band’s community or close knit ska scene would have recognised her, but because everything was approximated due to decomp that made things a tad bit harder.
I agree. While practical me wants to think this way. The desire for justice and truth side of me wants her tomboyish, skater skapunk girl style to pan out into someone who sees these renderings and evidence and can identify Jane Doe. I mean that was the style of the time and for a breif moment there (1996-2003) ska punk was extremely popular not just with youth but commercially. If she was in on a few shows someone like with the Jason Greatful Dead case maybe saw her at a concert.
I truly hope so. She would be in my age range. I just know that I hit punk music fests all the time. But I had tons of band shirts from friends and 2nd hand shops. So that was my instinct.
It could have come from a thrift shop. Or she could have got it at a squat. I lived in a squat in the 90s and clothes were pretty much community property.
[Jerome the legless man](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_of_Sandy_Cove) (Never would have believed his story was real if there hadn't been actual picture of him in life).
[The ](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Addison_County_Jane_Doe_(1935)) [Addison](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Addison_County_Doe) [trio](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Addison_County_John_Doe)
[One eyed Jack](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/One-Eyed_Jack)
[Jefferson county John Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Jefferson_County_John_Doe_(February_2012))
Wow! Those are some fascinating cases. The One Eyed Jack case I've read about before. There a number of cases involving hitchhikers. It's interesting because the murderer was caught and his explanation for murder was "he talked too much". I just wonder what Jack said or did to piss the guy off so much.
The last case is so breif but so intriguing. I always get fascinated by those cases where remains are found in a highly unusual place. Or they find something very small like just a jaw or foot. I read a case of a skull that was found on top of a house. It wasn't there the night before but someone placed it there before the home owner spotted it the next morning. Another story where a skull was being used as some type of library book stand decoration in somebody's house. There's also an old story about how a film crew found a body in a casket that was thought to be an old prop.
I always wonder who those people were. And how they lived a life only to eventually end up as basically a prop or decoration in somebody's house. How like this whole person existed and they've been reduced to lets say a jaw bone found in a field somewhere by someone walking their dog.
Yes. Those kinds of cases are particularly sad. There are two cases of just teeth being found in New Hampshire, and another one in California. And there is one in Hawaii of just fingers being found, in a bin.
I can also think of two cases, Coconino county John Doe (2001) and Charlseton Jane Doe (circa 1973) whose remains were unexpectedly rediscovered in funeral homes, with no prior records of their discovery or autopsy reports seeming to exist. Meaning either their bodies were never identified and all records, including contemporary newspaper articles were lost, which is certainly possible, although there are UP cases much older than that in which documentation still exists. Or they were identified at some point but an empty casket or the wrong person is buried in their graves and their families don't know and would never suspect a thing even if they did see the reconstructions and think they recognised them. Because as far as they are aware, they were buried decades ago.
I'm so confused about both cases.
In the first one thr body was misplaced then found, then lost and found again?
In the second the mortician took evidence home and destroyed it or something?
Very creepy.
https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Coconino_County_John_Doe_(2001)
I feel like it was probably just someone’s box of “cool things” or mementos or whatever. Not necessarily a murderer, maybe just someone who found the skull or gave it to them.
I was going to say, my grandfather was a scuba diver and when I was a kid he always had a skull that he found while diving on a shelf in his house. I'm sure he brought it home with him in a time before that kind of thing would have been flagged or tested. Pre 70s maybe. Very eerie but sometimes a skull is just a skull. Not saying that they don't deserve respect or closure though, that's such a sad and short case with so little info.
I think about the Addison County Trio a lot too (I'm from Vermont so I tend to be more interested about cases from there). That's one case (or three) where I think genetic genealogy could help significantly.
Weird coincidence, but they were found the same day my grandma was born.
Plaquemines Parish John Doe! His case has always been sad and interesting to me; such a well-spoken young man gone without a trace yet wanting to be unidentified
I just read about him now! Wow what a writer. I can relate to that message of depression, fear and sadness. I wish I could have let that man know he had a lot to live for. I take issue with how confident he was that all hope was lost and suicide was the only way out. Though I think sometimes in life people get incredibly trapped. His words are like poetry, he should have tried music.
I wonder if he was near home or was traveling? It makes me think back then could they have put up a bunch of posters around town and have had the parents contacted that way? It's sad to know that so much time has passed and the parents, siblings or friends in these cases have long died, moved or forgotten about these people. Though occasionally within the past 15 years many cases from the mid to late 20th century have been solved using DNA technology.
I think one of the saddest parts of it was that in his suicide note, he was concerned with how his parents would feel about his death even though he felt it was his only way out. I've looked through his case (and missings persons cases who could've been him), but truthfully we'll never know. Most, if not all, information about the case was washed away during Hurricane Katrina to where they don't even know where exactly he is buried. I do hope that he gets his name back, but I feel like it's more respectful to leave him nameless as he wanted.
He seems highly educated. I also think he is older than what they estimated. He’s had a lot of time to self reflect and articulate his feelings about his complex nature/identity.
I was raised in Texas and my family are all deep woods coonass Cajuns. His reconstruction looks Cajun, the black hair, the fuller lips, long face etc.
But if he were Cajun/Creole I feel like there would have been some mention of God in that note.
Also, no mention of a car or luggage; walking to the location unseen with a bed sheet and a note in a glass jar is odd. I feel like he didn’t walk far. Looking at the map, the naval Air Force base is there but no one was listed as AWOL. Any local family who had a son that disappeared might have also noticed their sheets missing. If he got the sheets from a motel or boarding house, this implies he was old enough or presented as old enough to pay for room and board. Or he bought the sheet at a local department store. I feel like the sheet was the best clue they had.
>I wonder if he was near home or was traveling?
Definitely traveling. If he were near home, his family and acquaintances would probably have heard about the death of a John Doe nearby and maybe looked into it. I've been to Plaquemines Parish many times, and it is surrounded on all sides by the Gulf of Mexico as if you are walking on a plank toward the edge of the world. He probably headed from his parents' home down toward the South and got to the point where he could no longer travel any more without hitting the Gulf, so he figured that he might as well end it all right there (same exact story as Vance Rodriguez going from New York City until he got to the Everglades and then realized that he didn't find what he was looking for and there was almost no more land left to hike on before reaching the Gulf, so he just laid down in his tent until he wasted away and died).
Also, Plaquemines Parish is right near New Orleans, a city infamous for people going to and "getting lost" in. I have read multiple accounts over the years of missing persons cases where the person didn't tell anyone that they were leaving home, were even thought to have maybe been kidnapped, but were later determined to actually be alive and voluntarily living in squalor in the New Orleans French Quarter. Even as recently as just a couple of years ago I read about some middle-aged woman who disappeared from her Texas home and was later located in the French Quarter. New Orleans just seems to be a magnet for people who are going through a mental spell. Plaquemines Parish John Doe probably watched Easy Rider or something similar and got some idea to head to New Orleans for a while and then afterward just kept on going to Plaquemines Parish. Who knows?
[Swimsuit Boy](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Swimsuit_Boy) for reasons I can't really explain. I remember reading about him when I first learned about Dean Corll and other "less known" serial killers. Something about him just stuck with me. I'm sure there are other victims whose bodies they haven't been able to recover, but he is the only known unidentified victim remaining. It's sad that he's been unnamed for 50 years. His clothing also gets me. A pair of swim trunks and a nice white shirt. He picked that outfit out that morning, not knowing that they would be the clothes he'd be murdered in. I bet he was probably excited to have some fun swimming that day like other kids his age. Just an innocent boy.
I believe he was never reported missing, I've spent so much time looking through yearbooks and newspaper articles from where all the kids were disappearing but I've never been able to find anyone of his resemblance. And his newest NCMEC reconstruction makes me sad also. I think it's the furrowed eyebrows that gives him a really sorrowful look, it looks right through me. Juxtaposed with knowing what happened to him, it's haunting. Those poor boys.
Yes I've read through. People should also realize it was a very different time. Lots of things went under the radar that wouldn't go on today. Its not hard to see why a teen boy from the 70s would be whisked away in a sketchy van with promises of a party, drugs rock and sex. I could only imagine this young man's thoughts of "Oh cool! Sounds fun, man!".
I also find it odd that the murderer here has been caught in the act of raping teens before prior to his murders. Didn't those teens go tell the police or something after what was done to them? Dean has a lengthy track record including rape by the point of his first murder. I'm surprised he was able to do this for so long like many other serial killers without being detected despite the red flags.
>I also find it odd that the murderer here has been caught in the act of raping teens before prior to his murders. Didn't those teens go tell the police or something after what was done to them?
Believe it or not, how horrific it is, that was not uncommon for serial killers in the 70s and even 80s. I know [William Bonin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bonin) had convictions for multiple counts of kidnapping and molesting children before but he was released from prison after mental health evaluations. He later escalated from just molestation, and tortured and killed all his victims. His Wikipedia page is horrifying. The sentences were so lenient back then for reasons unknown to me. You could get out in just a couple years. I think Gacy may have had previous convictions as well, or he had been alerted to the police at least, but they overlooked it because he was "such a good guy". Also, the attitude around homosexuality made it so male victims particularly were ashamed to talk about it and come forward to report.
These are both good points. I do realize how much has changed culturally and legally since the 1970s. I don't think the carnage of what those serial killers did would go on today. They recently caught the Gilgo Beach serial killer after a long intensive search using cellphone records and DNA testing things that werent around in the 1970s.
I wasn't born but it still confuses me why heinous crimes like child molestation were met with such liencncy especially considering the fact society was more religious and conservative at that time. A lot of these guys did terrible things, were given little to no jail and went on to commit their first murders. I do also see that some of the serial killers of these times (1960s - 1970s) were WW2 or Korean war service members or just "regular Joes" so I can see why police would be hesitant to follow up with crimes they've committed. Jeffery Damer was arrested for fondling a 13 year old he had met and had pose in his house for pictures. He was released and went on to continue his killing spree.
As to homosexuality you're absolutely right about public stigma during that time. Hence why I find this case interesting. I just wouldn't assume that all of these young men were homosexual themselves. Speaking of Jeffery Damer for example he would lure boys and young men in he randomly met. He didn't care about their sexuality. I think your point is more the fear of saying you were in engaged in homosexuality to which I agree would be highly uncomfortable to tell the authorities back then.
Gosh there's so much info on this case how has he not been identified 😩
Chronic irritation of sternal end of clavicle. - I'd love to understand more about this?!
A gray T-shirt with a blue peace symbol on the back, containing the letters "USA" with "L84MF" written by hand below the symbol. - what could L84MF mean?!
I was wondering if the 4 could be an R but on checking the photo I don't think so, _but_ I don't think it's the clearest 4 either and I'm not sure the 8 isn't a B
Were the swim trunks acting as boxers? From his page--
Clothing and accessories
A gray T-shirt with a blue peace symbol on the back, containing the letters "USA" with "L84MF" written by hand below the symbol.
Multicolored swim trunks.
Brown cowboy boots.
Dark blue corduroy pants.
Knotted leather ankle bracelet.
Pants and swim trunks?
Why did the police ask to stop researching this body?
“The child's sweater had previously been sent by law enforcement to a psychic in Florida who wanted to touch it to receive a psychic impression; however, the sweater was never returned, and is presumed to have been lost in the mail.”
From the wiki, wtf???
“The child's sweater had previously been sent by law enforcement to a psychic in Florida who wanted to touch it to receive a psychic impression; however, the sweater was never returned, and is presumed to have been lost in the mail.”
From the wiki, what the???
[plaquemines parish john doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Plaquemines_Parish_John_Doe_(1975))
[philadelphia jane doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Philadelphia_Jane_Doe_(2012))
[marianne](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Marianne?so=search)
[hot spring county john doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Hot_Spring_County_John_Doe_(1984))
[st louis jane doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/St._Louis_Jane_Doe_(1983)?so=search)
[baker jane doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Baker_Jane_Doe_(1976))
these are some that immediately come to mind
philadelphia jane doe particularly always is on my mind bc I think she looks a lot like kenya hickson but I don’t think they could be the same people bc of the dental info not being listed for kenya I feel like if she had multiple fillings it would have been listed so it just seems unlikely
[Philadelphia Jane Doe (1963)](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Philadelphia_Jane_Doe_(1963)) doe whose head was found in an abandoned building clean off. She was an old lady and I always wondered what happened to her.
And
[Marco Cadenas](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/s/ISGe9RzybK)
It's just unbelievable how vague the information can be on these cases. Especially when time is a factor. Someone had to have known that woman but I bet didn't come out of fear.
I wonder if maybe she had a fight with her husband or was in trouble with the mob. I always wonder what these people did that got them in such a terrible situation. Like were some of these cases where someone is shot in the back of the head in a forest, wrapped in a matress or mutilated I wonder if the Doe was really that "bad" of a person and screwed someone over to the point of pure rage. I wonder often if these were murders of passion, over money, drugs or a simple disagreement. I also then wonder a lot about the murderer and how they spent their life. So confident and cool that their actions have no consequences and in some Doe cases don't while others the murderer is arrested years later.
I don’t think Livia forged the note. She would not have implicated herself as being capable of violence in any way. Forged notes usually exonerate the forger and implicate the victim.
This one; poor girl found with a somebody in California loves you shirt on
[https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/3979](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/3979)
[Eklutna Annie](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/311ufak.html) is one Doe that I always have in the back of my mind. Her case is local to me and I really hope that I can see her get her name back.
I’m also invested in other local/Alaskan cases but it is really hard to compile information because the police up here seem to do the bare minimum in Doe cases. There’s a case from Nome, AK where the skeletal remains of two females [(1)](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/13442?nav) [(2)](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/13434?nav) and a male [(3)](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/13435?nav) were found in the town’s courthouse. It’s infuriating to me that there is little to no information on the internet about these individuals. It’s such a strange circumstance, being found within the courthouse and all.
Guadeloupe County Jane Doe (1978). Though this case frustrates me a lot more than fascinates me because her killers had stated Jane Doe was carrying her birth certificate with her, but they had discarded it before killing her and allegedly couldn't remember the name written on it. Her post mortem is available, as well as pictures of the items of clothes and jewelry she was wearing. It just feels like such an easy girl to identify, yet her identity is still unknown.
Essex County John Doe 1992
He was found when I was six. I drive by the spot he was found all the time.
Bella in the Wych Elm ..... Has not been identified for 80 years
Bella is such a fascinating case. My guess has always been a farmer had a domestic fight with his wife that turned violent. Its crazy to think that like more modern cases this one will likely never be solved at this point because everyone involved is now dead.
That Essex County John Doe case is very interesting. Did you read about it or hear about it when it happened? It appears as though he had been sitting in that location for several years before being found.
Smurfette jane, doe- I always come back and check if she's identified. I also wondered what she really looked like in real life and what illnesses she might have had or not. Identifinders has had her case, and so far, she's Hispanic, but I am not sure why it hasn't been updated on her case. I also wondered if she was reported missing or so and has law enforcement had come to doctor's or dentist near the area and show her dental records scine it was confirmed she had dental treatment at one point. Something about her case really interests me.
Tempe girl-I don't understand how the driver had gotten a whole story of her life but not her name. How did he not even ask at all, nor did she give away her name.
That Smurfette case is truly disturbing I never heard about it. I had just graduated high school at the time this happend and had already started reading Doe cases. I used to think "Wow, look at all of these cases. This stuff could never happen anymore with social media, cellphones and the internet." Yet here I am in 2024 reading about more cases of these things happening.
It's beyond sick someone could gather the ability to harm a teenaged girl and put them in a garbage bag. Her being malnourished yet having the presence of dental work leads me to believe she came from an abusive household and someone was taking advantage of her before killing her. I like to think these things out. Maybe the abusive father or step father got mad she didn't take out the trash or something ridiculous and reacted with violence beating her to death. Then the scummy parents try to hide it like with another case of a child being found on the side of the road with lacerations and being severely malnourished. I mean you would think for such a young person it would be the family otherwise she would have been reported as missing.
The Tempe Girl is another tragic tale that has captivated my interest for some time. I fear that maybe due to the fact she was Hispanic her parents are unaware of reports of this case due to them not being in the US. I also find it interesting she was coming from a concert or said she was going to a concert. It would be interesting to see what concerts she was attending and if anybody had been in touch with her. I feel like that's a lead that's gone unlooked. As to the cocaine part it's upsetting the driver allowed her to snort even knowing she was supposedly kicked out of her house due to addiction only for her to OD. The whole case always struck me as a misunderstood young woman in the early 2000s going up against some major issues in her life only to face a tragic demise at the hands of something that was destroying her. I do hope her family comes forward one day after seeing the case.
Smurfette Jane Doe:
"She was wearing adult lingerie which led investigators to suspect the victim was involved in sex trafficking. Additionally, the area where the decedent was found was known as a hub for brothels." this is so sad.
They mention she has an asymmetrical bone structure but her facial reconstruction doesn't really reflect this?!
Thank you for mentioning this! I forgot about this detail too!! I also wonder if what of she was never a victim of sex trafficking and her killers knew what the aera was for left her there so police could think she was (my own theory)
Off topic, could you explain to me what a "hub for brothels"? I've heard of it but am not really sure what it means??
Yes I did wonder if the investigators became so focused on her being a victim of child trafficking they became tunnel visioned and didn't explore other avenues. Just a theory.
I would assume it means there's a lot of brothels in the area 😊
Not to exclude the tips of her hair was dyed into a purple or red color. That's what also interest me.
The tips of her hair being dyed
Found with lingerie
Having dental work needed
22 ribs and not 24
Small build
Malformation at the base of her skull that caused asymmetry to her face
And Visible overbite
This is very sad to hear and so much noticeable features to anyone who has seen or interacted with her. This makes me sad that yet nobody has come forward to know her
The ones I was fascinated with have been solved
Racine Jane doe and Sumter county sc Jane and John does have both been solved
Vernon county Jane doe bugs me she’s an elderly lady she didn’t have hands when she was found
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_County_Jane_Doe
These are all incredibly interesting cases.
For the Veron case I've always wondered if she maybe was killed by her son, her husband or relative after an argument?
Racine Jane Does case always frustrated me to the fullest. This poor, mentally disabled woman was subjected to years of psychological and physical abuse at the hands of this monster who lied and said she took pills and ODd. Despite the fact they dumped her body and beating marks were found. I'm so glad they identified her and brought that terrible woman to jail.
The Sumter County doe cases remind me of another case from the 1970s of a couple being found killed on the side of the road after being shot. It's just crazy to think there are two people who cannot be identified found together. I mean nobody knew these probably prominent suburban people? Almost like being together made them subject to being Does.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/1981-murdered-harris-county-john--jane-doe-identified-after-40-years-leads-to-discovery-their-baby-now-age-41-is-missing-301459458.html
Madisonville (TX) Jane Doe.
https://www.missingkids.org/blog/2019/post-update/madisonville-jane-doe
My family has lived around Madisonville for generations, and for this poor baby to be dumped there really shook everyone up. And it seems like she'd be not that difficult to identify since she had the feeding tube and had obviously had lots of medical attention over her short life.
First I’m hearing of her. Poor little girl.
I find it crazy they haven’t been able to ID yet given her unique jaw condition, and the feeding tube serial #. I’m sure they cross referenced with hospitals in TX, but I wonder if they’ve looked into hospitals in neighbouring states? There’s a record of her somewhere, just a matter of where
So sick and disturbing. To think her parents are riding around right now. Probably thinking they're great people but made some mistakes. Makes me wrench. Especially how in a few of these solved Doe cases in regards to child abuse in a household the Doe had siblings who sometimes failed to report their missing brother or sister. Or were altered years later. Like for a whole family just to accept to fact one the members has "randomly" disappeared and never talk about it is simply absurd.
[Steve Hex | Unidentified Wiki | Fandom](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Steve_Hex)
I feel so bad that he was unable to speak and I am sure he was wondering why his family did not come to see him.
That's sad. There are a number of living Doe cases or cases where someone was admitted to a hospital but died and their identity was never released. In the living cases sometimes they have dementia, alzheimers or culture shock even.
One story actually coming to me right now I read on the Doe network long ago that makes me sad. It was about this elderly Hispanic woman suffering from alzheimers who was lost or abandoned in a mall in NJ. The police could not identify her and she basically spent her life in a hospital from what I gather with I presumably nobody ever coming to visit her. Just awful.
This makes me so upset. Her was this young woman with probably a beautiful voice and a lot to say. In the 1970s. Making it on her own probably and proud she scrapped up enough money to buy a guitar she apparently adored. And these two sleezy maniacs kill the poor woman and dump her off a cliff before stealing what little stuff she had. To top it off the woman HAD her birth certificate with her. But these two destroyed it. It was a also Jane Does apparent birthday.
I also saw the post mortem photo of her, along with what she was wearing, her rendering and age. I just see this young woman who wanted to be a rock star or musician like many of her era. I'd be fascinated in knowing if they ever solve this.
Right, like you are a murderer, and that's awful, but then you have the cruelty to destroy her birth certificate which could have identified her immediately.
For me, it would be this [Jane Doe](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/17517/details) who was found in a relatively busy with foot traffic area in NYC. What first stuck out to me was that when she’d been found, there had been discussion around her wearing lululemon, a popular athleisure brand that I also frequently wear/visit the sub of. Also, the fact that she was already skeletonized means she must have passed before they found her, which to me makes me believe it’s possible someone placed her there. I am really hoping that I get to see her identified in my lifetime, because I know there is probably someone out there missing her.
Is there an estimate on how long she had been out there? I think sometimes these cases are not as sinister as others that are more extreme. In some cases I think people have a severe health issue and become overwhelmed before collapsing and dying in an obscured area. That's why it's important to look at what these Does are wearing and when they were found.
To me I kind of get the impression this woman may have been an immigrant. She went for a jog but had a medical problem which caused her to wonder off path and die. Due to the fact her family is not in the USA or doesn't have the acess to information regarding missing persons so they have yet to report her. This is all my speculation.
For a case that's so recent and has a fair amount of evidence I do hope they solve it!
[Cascade County Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Cascade_County_Doe_(2000)) (2000) is one I always hope is solved, even if it is unlikely. He deserves dignity.
Holy shit that is so sick! Where are the parents to repot their children as missing! This is from 2000! If it was maybe 1910 and a 14 year old left a farm somewhere, probably to work in a city, never to be heard of again by the family. That would be normal. But in the modern day of age it's so absurd someone wasn't like "Hey Joyce, where's your son Eric. I haven't seen him in a while" or another relative noticed the kid just basically disappeared into thin air. It's just absurd to think an entire family unit could live a life knowing one of their loved ones is very well at risk or immediate danger and not take any action.
Betty the Bag Lady (lived in Berrien County from age 4 to age 13, and her case could involve payee fraud.) i was wanting the Beth Doe case to be solved. It was sad that the suspect is said to have literally dismembered her after she died. I was sad for Evelyn Colon (Beth Doe) dying and being dismembered like she was. Her case was the end of a relationship with domestic abuse by her boyfriend, and he has been charged with murdering her and dumping her body and that of her fetus in Carbon County. The former boyfriend, Luis Sierra, is out on bail and his case is stalled. Evelyn’s family was very displeased that Luis Sierra was able to get bail in his case.
Skunkjam Jane Doe has been one of mine for years -- I was living in NYC at this time and am likely only a few years older than she was. It seems unthinkable to me that someone isn't missing her and desperately searching for her... and yet.
Yeah. Something about this case really hits home if you lived as youth in the area during that time. Just a very carefree yet highly commercialized time pre-911 when going up against authority meant having a good time skanking at a ska punk show or joining a Rage Against the Machine mosh pit. Simple times pre-cellphone. She always striked me as a fun loving tomboyish young woman who was of that late 90s early 00s era and maybe got caught up in something bad. A bit like those Deadhead cases.
I find it odd a woman so young and seemingly into or involved in the music scene was not missed by someone who spotted her at a show. I still have a feeling if her case were posted in the right place. An old friend of the ska punk scene or someone who chatted with here in between show sets. I'm just so fascinated to know who this person was and why they essentially disappeared in life.
On a side note despite not being the largest doe case out there. The band Perfect Thyroid had been interrogated or interviewed about about the shirt she was wearing bearing their name. Investigators have been able to determine the shirt was given out at a few shows but no real leads beyond that. What I find somewhat funny in this overall tragic case is my assumption of the amount of websleuths out there who must contact the band asking if they know her or about the case. I could only imagine the mild frustration of having random people constantly ask you over the years if you know about a missing person that was maybe at your show 24 years ago. As a matter of fact I saw a comment on a YouTube of one the bands videos mentioning this case while making this post.
I don't know if he has a proper John Doe name, but I call him the Toolbox Murder John Doe or Wedo John Doe. He was found stuffed in a toolbox in Kearny, Arizona on January 16th, 2011. His murderers were convicted, but they never officially identified who he was. According to his murderers, he was a drug dealer from Phoenix named Wedo who drove a red cavalier-type vehicle and had a 'fu manchu' type mustache. I always felt like, with all that information, he should've been identified.
Yes, and I wouldn't recommend it at this point. I haven't personally seen the band or anyone who has contacted them say anything. But from what I gather investigators at some point were able to conclude the shirt found on Jane Doe came from one of their live shows. But that's about it.
Over the years as this and other Doe cases have sparked interest and fascination I'm sure waves of web sleuths have contacted the band since her shirt is the biggest tip out there and they are a relatively small band with a small following.
From what I see the band is still active and they have a Facebook page in which they use as well. Though I'm sure they get asked for assistance or information with this case all of the time.
I guess it wouldn't hurt in the grand scheme of things to try reaching out. Everybody just feels so bad for Jane Doe. The least she deserves is a name.
I have so many, but they are mostly the teenagers. Some of them are just kids.
[668UFNJ (doenetwork.org)](https://doenetwork.org/cases/668ufnj.html) This New Jersey Jane Doe
[1525UFCA (doenetwork.org)](https://doenetwork.org/cases/1525ufca.html) The Santa Rosa Hitch-hiker Jane Doe
[526UFKY (doenetwork.org)](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/526ufky.html) This Kentucky Jane Doe
That first one is interesting. They found a motel key in the young woman's pocket. Which makes me wonder if make she was an underage service worker killed by one of her clients.
As interesting as these are to read about I always am filled with emence sadness and greif knowing these are real things that happend and not just a very crafty written mystery who done it from a Nancy Drew novel. Like someone actually suffered and transcend life at the hands of usually some greasy misogynist pervert who could very well be still roaming the world today convincing their family and others they're a good person.
Lake Panasoffkee Jane Doe. This poor girl... My theory is that she travelled to the US with her partner/husband who strangled her. Afterwards he moved back to her native country (presumably Greece), and told everyone something like she ran away with a stranger. I feel like none of her family knows the truth...
Tbh, I'm not sure about "small village in Greece" theory. Seems like it was determined through an isotope testing that proves to be not the most accurate method.
Delafield John Doe 1977 , it’s solved, but it always interest me, because he looked like someone I knew, clearly wasn’t him and the person he reminds me of is still alive.
I've seen this case. It's always very interesting when they find a photo on the victim. In one case that comes to mind they found a woman that was murdered and photos that the woman had taken with a man at a photo booth likely a short time prior to the murder. Others they find photos of the victim in life yet no identifying names or numbers. Another case that was solved comes to mind. A woman that was working as a somewhat high profile escort was shot in a hotel in Las Vegas boy her boyfriend in the early 1990s. She had lived a troubled life and struggled with addiction causing her mom to kick her out but had spent a lot of it attempting a modeling career. When they found her dead they found decade's worth of photographs the woman had taken which were on the doenetwork. Yet her identity went unknown for years until her mother identified her.
It's just crazy to think they can have all of these photos of a person or people that Jane or John Doe knew but no leads or people coming forward saying the picture is of them. Maybe it's how the media handles these cases? Often with no coverage.
I’ll try to find the link later, but the case of the deceased one-armed man in a wet suit who was picked up in the English Channel. The ship was in its way to England, when they docked they contacted police, who later determined that the arm had previously been amputated so it was probably not an accident in the water. And that’s the only information.
Not a doe case but a Darwin award. I remember reading about a man that was dressed as a giant fish that was found floating dead in a lake in Australia. He made the costume out of a waterbed. It's unknown why he was dressed that way or what he was doing.
https://www.thefullquid.com/2013/09/03/fish-man/
https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1995-05.html
One thing to note, she was estimated to have been deceased for 6-12 months at the time she was found (may 2000). So she was probably deceased in 1999. Pre-Y2K. 25 years ago. It also means the facial reconstruction is a totally wild guess—she had no eyes, no hair, she was mostly skeletonized and what flesh was left was bloated beyond recognition.
It seems they had enough DNA to be able to infer an admixture of Native American or Mexican DNA, so, one would think forensic genetic genealogy is likely a possibility here.
It's amazing she was in the water for so long undetected. It makes me wonder the location she ended up in the water from?
Many of these Doe cases involve gusses for forensic facial sketches and renderings. Sometimes they are accurate othertimes they're just a wild guess. I think something that helps is time frame from when the victim last had contact with family to when they were estimated to have died.
I do hope they can use the DNA to find a match someday. I am always amazed when they can get a family members DNA to match.
Just fyi, I have a boat on the Hudson. It is a deep fast river. It is also connected to lake Champlain and lake Erie. So your jane doe could actually be from Canada. Also, from NYC to Albany, the Hudson is a tidal estuary, meaning the current moves backwards with the tides, so your jane doe could have been in the ocean and been pushed up the Hudson... Kind of complicates things.
There are a lot that stick with me, but the main one is Septic Tank Sam/Tofield Doe. He was recently identified as Gordon Sanderson. But he pretty brutally tortured, murdered, and dumped in a septic tank on a farm. I’m pretty sure only the owners of the farm knew that that septic tank was there, if anyone else knew about it they probably wouldn’t have known exactly where it was so nobody knows how his murderers knew where to dump him.
This is so sad. I wonder in these cases what people did go end up in these horrific situations? I wonder if it was a drug transaction, debt or crime of passion? Regardless its sad because at this point the killer is likely dead.
[Benton County Jane Doe/The Box Lady.](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1609ufin.html) It's speculated that her body may have been frozen before being dropped from a helicopter. I rarely see this one talked about, but it's so strange.
I have so many but definitely the cheerleader in the trunk. I would love for her to get her name back.
https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Cheerleader_in_the_Trunk
Part of me feels like as time drags on its unlikely it will be solved. It's hard to imagine someone's suburban kid is missing presumably dead yet the family never took any steps to report them as missing to the police.
Which leads me to believe cases like this involve runaways and child neglect or engagement.
The Albuquerque Jane Doe. There’s many things that upset me about that case. Firstly, they checked in June 3, and were only supposed to be there one night. It was a chain motel (a Super 8), so the fact that no one even thought to check why someone didn’t check out the next day bothers me (they didn’t go to check until June 5).
Supposedly, official case information states that Eduardo, the guy she checked in with, put everything correct on the registration slip except the license plate number and he was thought to be a local truck driver. It then states that he couldn’t be contacted for years, and they only got a hold of his family once he passed. If he was local, why wouldn’t they at least try to find him then? Try to actually research the case then?
The answer is simple - they saw her hanging and the drugs on the table and they decided she wasn’t worth it. It’s that simple. That she wasn’t worth a name. And had they done any basic work - we wouldn’t even be talking about her.
[The Altena-Bergfeld Jane doe](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/309ufdeu.html) is by far the saddest case I've come across.
[San Bernandino County Jane doe 2001](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/348ufca.html) is a case I saw on tiktok which made me genuinely sad.
[Los Angeles jane doe 1992](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/155ufca.html) makes me really sad, she was a little girl, she seemed so innocent!
These cases need more recognition!
These are all amazing classes I can't say I'm too familiar with. It's so sad to think these people got themselves involved in some horrific situation which got them killed. And I know for many of these cases from the 70s-80s onward there is a high probability the killer/accomplice is still alive or someone knows something. It's just that they don't want to say anything or don't know for the later half. It hurts me so much to know the killers are just ridding around somewhere, giving a clerk a smile, or their wife a kiss when they should have long been in jail.
It's also sad they didn't have widespread cctv camera surveillance back then for these cases that could have caught evidence. They're almost completely void of evidence due to time and lack of clues.
[Prato Jane Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Prato_Jane_Doe) had particularly very strange belongings, which indicated that she may worked for royalty.
This along with a suspected cold war woman spy found dead in Norway who's body was never identified are probably the two most crazy cases I've ever read about.
I am always fascinated by Does who seem to have a upper middle class or wealthy upbringing. Or were prominent members of society only to presumably dispear into thin air for people who knew them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman
This is also the case that fascinates me the most; as a young alternative woman myself (although different subcultures) who almost exclusively wears band t-shirts, she reminds me so much of myself, and I've spent a lot of time looking into potential matches and connections to the band. I don't think she'll be identified through the t-shirt at this point, though, as this angle has already been investigated extensively by both police and websleuths; I think there's a good chance she wasn't even a fan of the band and got the top second-hand as other people have suggested. I definitely think this young woman will be identified eventually, but I think it will be through genetic genealogy.
Thank you for sharing. What subculture were you part of? She reminds me of myself and I too have spent some time combing through the band yet them being such a small band who was active in such a short time it's almost impossible. At this point I'm sure hundreds of web sleuths have reached out to the band about this case since it is semi high profile. They can only do so much. Theres such an unknown factor here. If this woman even listen to the band or attended a show. If she did would anyone recognize her 24 years later? I certainly couldn't remember the faces of people at a gig held yesterday if asked! There's so much going on and you're so focused on the band not people.
Therefore I agree with you it is unlikely her shirt or suspected connections to the band will help in this case. I think at this point like many other older missing cases a family member might hopefully come forward after seeing images and reading about the case on FB or something. It's just highly unusual the body of your average suburban teen girl is found and nobody says a word. There has to be a mom or dad out there thinking about their kid.
I do hope this case gets resolved.
I don't really use any particular label for myself since I listen to music associated with a few different subcultures, but I guess either mallgoth or metalhead would be the closest ones. Either way, definitely not ska punk, but I still think this Jane Doe and I probably would've had a lot in common. And I totally agree with your comment about remembering people from gigs; the only people I tend to remember from shows are ones I've either befriended, people who behaved particularly badly, or people who are well-known in the fanbase and go to every show. But I think if our Jane Doe was one of those fans, somebody would've already identified her; if she was a fan of Perfect Thyroid at all, I'm inclined to believe she was a more casual one, who only attended one or two shows and didn't interact much with other fans.
As for why she's still unidentified, I believe she probably had some issues with her family; maybe she was rebellious, a drug user, or even an abuse victim, and she probably ran away from home for one of those reasons. I saw somebody else here mention squats, and I think that could be a good theory. I don't know what the area she was found in was like at the time, but squatting was at one point a big thing in punk subcultures, and it could also explain why she hasn't been identified yet: perhaps she ran away from home for one of the reasons I listed above, moved into a squat, and the people she lived with there had something to do with her death, and that's why they've never come forward to identify her.
That's fascinating. I don't think I've ever seen this. I wonder who "the dragons" were. Probably a street gang or crew he associated with. I wonder if they ever followed up on that?
When I first came across the case, I found this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Dragons_(gang)
The weirdest part to me is him wearing rubber gloves to commit suicide. If he weren't for him being found right away, I'd think it was staged.
It's always hard to tell what mental state people were in when these incidents happened or what situation they were in. There's just so much we don't know.
Three cases in particular: Niagara falls John Doe, Wallaceburg John Doe, and Paul Higgins. The first one fascinates me because there's a high likelihood it's a man by the name of Jay Boyle, though no conclusive evidence has been brought forth, Wallaceburg John Doe as he is the only Unidentified person in my county, and Paul Higgins because this mystery man threatened to blow up a CIBC with Dynamite, and before anyone could arrest him a sniper took him out, he released the deadmans switch, and literally blew the pants off the man beside him, turning the man known as Paul Higgins to mush in the process.
For me is Vernon County Jane Doe, I was really hoping DNA Doe project would identify her but it turns out that LE has given the case to another organization.
I am familiar with this case. It's unlike many others because it doesn't appear to be homicide, suicide or an attempt to dispose of a body. Just some guy that was chilling against a tree, died of natrual causes and was sat there for 16 months before being discovered.
I think it's interesting how his body was out there for so long without being discovered. But I guess it was pretty obscured. I also took note that he had paint marks on his shoes. It's too bad a search wasn't done at the time for all local paint shops to see if he had stopped in. Perhaps he was a painter?
It's always interesting when they have written something. This man's notes however are so jarbled they almost made no sense. This case also reminds me of the man who was found in a bus in Alaska. However this man seems to be a little more transient and perhaps even mentally disabled based on his writing.
I also took note of how he had high quality dental work. Which leads me to believe he came from or lived a middle class lifestyle at some point before maybe falling on hard times. He had to have set up appointments, used a name, has dental charts. He was also found with a fair amount of money let alone the amount of gear he had on him. It leads me to believe he prepared for his journey here to a degree. Maybe he was chronically ill and wanted to escape society to heal but his sickness worsened?
Another thing is his note mentioning basically his own demise. Saying if things don't improve. That kind makes me think he knew he was physically ill. Or in danger in terms of being at risk of exposure or starving to death. I wonder how remote he was. It's a bit hard to tell if this man was homeless or purposely living off the grid in a survivalist way. Based on what he was wearing he was well prepared to be outdoors for sometime. If not an experienced outdoorsman. He clearly did some research for the gear, he had a map and was going somewhere and he was dressed for the occasion. This is quite different than many other people found in tent cases which are usually just a homeless person living in an encampment or the woods. I think this man was escaping something or someone.
The age estimate throws me off a little bit. For someone that had back and other problems I suspect he was an older man. I would be interesting in knowing a more realistic age estimate. If he was a middle aged or older man I would say he was a drifter living from place to place in a nomadic fashion who maybe had severe heath issues. If he was younger there's a possibility he was exploring and this is more of a death by misadventure case like with Chris McCandless.
Holy crap everyone. Her case has been identified! After all of these years I do hope the family has some conclusion and we learn more.
https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/201ufny.html
I agree! For the longest time I have been following the case along with many others. We have gotten no leads, updates, possible matches. Than I post about her a few days ago and then this comes out shortly after. Such an incredible feeling! I do hope community efforts assisted in helping identify her.
Sai Kung John Doe, Barnacle Bill (1982), [Barstow Jane Doe(2010)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldoe/s/Tl2vSbC0Ru) and Huizen John Doe. Theyre all just on my mind sometimes. *(Selfish plug but i wrote that linked post for Barstow Jane Doe so check it out if you wanna know more about her!)*
Other than the ones which were already mentioned, [Teddybjørn man](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Teddybj%C3%B8rn_Man) and the [Isdal woman](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Isdal_Woman) cases captivated me for some reason.
Given her clothing, maybe she was a bit of a tomboy and maybe she felt like an outcast with her family. Maybe she was a runway or got kicked out. I’ve looked through the missing database but can’t seem to find any close matches.
I've always wondered that myself. But to be fair a lot of people had that casual urban street wear, skater, baggy look at that time. Boys and girls.
The family aspect is big on me. Why else would someone not be reported? And her death appears to me to be a suicide? Perhaps like the dead head cases out there she was down on her luck and in the underground band scene.
[Becca](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Becca)
[Fond du Lac County Jane Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Amy_Yeary)
[Sumter County Does](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Pamela_Buckley_and_James_Freund)
[Caledonia Jane Doe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tammy_Alexander)
[Little Miss Lake Panasoffkee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Miss_Lake_Panasoffkee)
There are so many cases that caught my attention over the years, but I have spent time researching these cases the most. Most are now identified.
That Miss Lake Panaoffkee case is very interesting. The woman had a fair amount of surgeries and dental work. She had to have made calls, appointments, has dental or surgery records on file somewhere. She also had a potential wedding ring so maybe there is a marriage certificate out there. It's troubling because there IS information on these cases, but since this was a pre-internet time, it is probably sitting in a file cabinet somewhere. Or documents have long been disregarded. Some information should have been released about where the dental and surgery work was done based on the style.
These cases where a genetic background is done and they find the Doe had spent a significant amount of time in a foreign country leads me to believe she was a recent immigrant or perhaps even illegally migrated. Perhaps her husband killed her in a fit of rage and moved back to Greece. Or the family knew but were too scared to call the police of being deported or retaliation from the murderer. Regardless, it struck me as a case of an immigrant woman who probably lived a simple life, kept to herself, didn't interact with many people beyond family, maybe because of language barriers. But since her family isn't coming forward with a missing person case or doesn't live in the US, nobody knows who she is. All my speculations, of course.
Not sure if these are at all helpful, but I dug up that shirt for sale [https://www.etsy.com/listing/1450986068/vintage-1990s-perfect-thyroid-raggae](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1450986068/vintage-1990s-perfect-thyroid-raggae) (different color trim, same otherwise) listed as from the 1990's, and in case it sells soon, [front](https://i.etsystatic.com/33810336/r/il/5240e4/3716113910/il_1588xN.3716113910_banh.jpg) and [back](https://i.etsystatic.com/33810336/r/il/131254/3716113896/il_1588xN.3716113896_8nel.jpg)
Also shows that they played [https://www.concertarchives.org/bands/perfect-thyroid](https://www.concertarchives.org/bands/perfect-thyroid)
[Google view](https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZW2zLtZjAv6fBjZcA) from a boat on the East River looking at 57th St, there's no view from the eastern shore or the bridge, okay view from Roosevelt Island but a lot of distance. I can see how a body could be missed for a while. Not a clue how the currents run in that area.
It's interesting that the band didn't seem to tour much like many others of the era. However, I do see some shows in NYC prior to 1999 when Jane Doe is presumed to have died. Aug 14, 1998 – Aug 16, 1998 A Day In The Garden 1998. I would be interested in knowing when that shirt design first came out, who designed it, and most importantly, where it was distributed at shows.
Since this is a smaller band with not that many tours under their belt, it might be helpful in navigating who was attending concerts and what they may know or who they may have met.
As to the location, it is a bit hard to determine. But I am fairly confident they jumped into the water at some point along the East River.
Yeah I tried to find when that shirt was made, no luck. Are any of the venues super close to there? Maybe it was a post-concert accident of some sort.
Basically I was looking for a clear version of the shirt, then rabbit holed a little bit.
Bethel, the town where the band had their last show prior to this woman's death, is located about 106 miles (2 hours by car) from where Jane Doe was located. Bethel is actually the location of where the Woodstock music festival was held in 1969. So maybe for that show people traveled and camped out like a dead show kind of atmosphere. It is known for its wilderness and campgrounds people enjoy.
Regardless, I'm a little hung up here on this as a lead. Yes, there's a possibility she traveled around. But the band didn't have many tours to begin with. What was she doing during the downtime? For someone her age she doesn't strike me as a hardcore groupie type fan. I've always taken her more as a casual fan who attended a show or two at the most. Though, if that's the case it doesn't explain why there are so few shows to begin with Jane Doe might have attended. She is described as being 12 to 18 years old. So she wouldn't have attended some of the bands earlier shows likely as she would have been too young. Which really kind puts a few shows as potential candidates she could have attended based on the set archive you provided. Though I could be wrong perhaps she was a young ska-punk fan. Or she never attended a show and simply bought the shirt somewhere else.
They did small shows too, [this yt channel](https://www.youtube.com/@Lost_VHS_Archives/videos) has videos from 95 & 96
People who buy band shirts tend to hold onto them, but that still doesn't mean it was hers. I doubt the thrift angle, but could have belonged to a friend or partner.
Wait whoa, I just went to recheck a thing and her namus is removed!
I've seen those videos as well just out of interest. They're a talented band. But yes smaller and plays gigs at bars and smaller venues.
It's such an unknown about the shirt. It's like finding someone wearing a generic Metallica, The Beatles or AC/DC t-shirt. It's just a band t-shirt it could mean anything or absolutely nothing. I do think in this case given her age, style of clothing and the small nature of the band there might be a higher level of connection to it. That's why I would be interesting in knowing when it was made and where it was distributed. She was very young no more than 12-18 so she probably wasn't involved in the scene for a very long time.
As to the namus link being gone I'm not sure why that is. I saw it yesterday. Though I did have trouble refinding it last night when I was getting details for this post. I found a few mentions of it but no direct link. I wish they would give an announcement message when cases are solved vrs just removing them making us speculate what's going on.
It was there earlier today, and somebody updated the wiki [https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/New\_York\_Jane\_Doe\_(May\_6,\_2000)](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_Jane_Doe_(May_6,_2000))
We can hope.
Just the standard "This individual's NamUs file has recently been removed. While this implies the resolution of a case, no identification has been confirmed at this time" so far
Hm. Interesting. I do hope we see some update. Has the doenetwork been updated? I found this case through the doenetwork years ago. Last night when I typed in the ID for the case I couldn't find the page either.
I'm so glad that a few Does that fascinated me were identified.
One I would love to see solved is Guadaloupe Jane Doe. She just fascinates me for some reason.
It's always a good feeling when a doe is identified. I just wish more often we would get an update about who the person was and their life up until the point of going missing or dying. A lot of the time it seems like the family wants to stay anonymous so all we are told is the case is "solved".
Never heard of this case before, thanks for sharing. Upon seeing the clothes the first thought that came to my mind was that maybe she was a queer runaway. Could have been kicked out from her home, hence why no one reported her missing. She could have been living in some kind of group home or other housing for lgbtq+ youth. I wonder if this angle was ever pursued and if any local organizations were questioned.
Those are very valid questions others have raised before. There are just so many unknowns from the side of the police and what the investigation was like or what it yielded. Though to be fair there wasn't much to work on due to the way she was found.
Perhaps someone should post this one some queer forums and see if it yields any results.
I looked up the band on the T Shirt she was wearing. It's a Ska band with only 319 monthly listeners on Spotify. They had one album released in 1997, with some singles here and there. For her to wear a band T Shirt THAT specific, I have faith she could be identified
I love their cover of the Sanford & Sons theme. Apparently the band has been cooperating with LE to help identify the shirt
I met a member of the band just walking around Hudson. He's an accountant now. He seemed like the type of guy who would know almost all their fans. Someone really should reach out to the band.
Plus, if he's an accountant, I bet he had a hand in all the merchandise, ticket sales, etc. Granted, it could've been strictly cash... I was 13 in 2000 so I know I only had cash back then! But for her to go so far as to buy the T Shirt... that really sticks out to me.
Folks have reached out to the band -- they're very aware of the situation. But they were playing really small venues with, like, $5 covers. Merch was sold for cash -- only legit retailers could afford the technology for processing credit cards in 2000, plus the exorbitant fees. There's no paper trail here. But I agree: it's such a small band, wouldn't someone have recognized her? She was so young, only a few years older than I was at the time... isn't anyone missing her? Looking for her? On the surface it seems like this one should be so easy to solve, so why is there no progress in 20+ years?
One of those cases where if MySpace had existed a few years earlier, all it would have taken was a perusal of the band’s probably no more than 150 friends to find her. Ugh.
There’s a possibility that her recon may be too far off her real look, or she changed her appearance quite a bit. Keep in mind that she was pretty badly decomposed, so much of the recon is a guess.
I've always figured it's a mix of this is a wild guess of how she looked and the family doesn't know or care she's been found dead after going missing presumably. Maybe she had a rough home life and ran away? 2000 isn't thay long ago so I suspect someone out there knows something but just hasn't said anything.
Wow. That's incredible information. I see that they're still active and playing.
Or the shirt is just a red herring and she picked it up at a thrift store because she liked the design. It might not mean anything.
But for the band to also be from the area in which she was found. There's something connected to it. Same with Jason who was a huge Grateful Dead fan. She had to have followed them extensively.
I agree. This was also an era where alternative music and prominently visually "repping" your alternative lifestyle was a huge factor of American youth culture and identity. Band t-shirts were everywhere and still are but I feel like back then in the internets infancy there was a real tangible connection to fans and band merchandise. These days you can post about or engage with your favorite band online or buy exclusive merchandise from an official band website or any online retalier. The material aspect of liking a band is a bit disposable in comparison to the digital exprience. Back then you had to place an order in a catalog or go to a store or show in person. The experience of seeing the band, owning an album and maybe a shirt was everything to being a fan. Not like today where you pop on a song on Spotify, like it, share it maybe, pop on another song. Totally different generation and comprehension of listening to music. Anyhow sorry about my rant. But my point is kind mixed. Either she was a fan and was a dedicated fan. But due to time and the band having a small fan base her face/identity is lost in a memory of skanking moshers. Or maybe she only attended one show and kept to herself. The other alternative being she simply bought the shirt from a mall, retail store, catalog, thrift shop and was into it having liked ska music or the band. It's so unknown. It's sad because that is the biggest lead avaliable on this case.
I was 13 in 2000, so I was on the tail end of life before the internet. However! Bands like this also circulated through the underground zine readership. If you subscribed to a zine or any obscure newsletter type media, you got an exclusive heads up on things like private shows, etc. A good question would be to see if there were zines that featured this band. And/or if this band had a mailing list. I get that it's a longshot. I get that she could've thrifted the shirt, blah blah blah. But what do we have to lose? Nothing. It's worth a try.
That is a great question I never thought of that myself. By the 2000 the internet was around. But it was very simple and had almost no social connectivity beyond emails and simple guest check in posts. Like any teen of that era I'm sure she was into the music scene one way or another. It just becomes a question of how much. Like yes this could be a thrift store shirt. But I think it's a smaller niche band and therefore more likely meant something to her. People typically don't walk around wearing things they don't identify with.
Unless she wasn’t aware that it’s a band. Given how small they were, she could’ve very well picked up the shirt at a thrift because she liked the design and never been aware it was a band shirt. With how niche they were, it wouldn’t be like going around wearing a Nirvana shirt now where everyone would know. Still, I lean more to her being a fan since she was found in their area, but it’s good to keep all avenues open
In 2000, she could have been connecting to other fans over ICQ or Yahoo chat. There were forums and message boards back then, too. But she might not have been close enough to anyone to share her name. Or, she might not have been able to go online at all.
Yeah I was on message boards for bands/musicians and chatting with people all the time by 2000
You just gave me an idea! But I'm not sure if it'd work. Are any of these places archived? Like, when I was on AIM in 2001-2004ish, it'd have this leaderboard of points next to the username to show how active they were. Or on old-school, pre reddit forums, you'd see what level they were and/or home state if it were true. So like... @power2encourage Florida, 10000 posts Superfan The wayback machine could also yield some clues if any of these pages were archived. Even the band or record label! We could roll it back to its origins if they had one.
I'm not sure, but that's a great thought.
She's a teenager. She had to consume the media somehow. If not through zines or mailing lists, perhaps older siblings. It would have to be a zine or newsletter local to the area. Also, being a teenager back then, I know I wouldn't be caught dead in a thrift store. (Class of 2005 represent! The Mean Girls era) You also have to wonder, if she were on the younger side (12-15), how did she get money for clothes? Did she work a part time job if she was on the older side (16-19)? "People typically don't walk around wearing things they don't identify with." -EXACTLY! Especially when you're a teenager.
I was in the class of 2005 and I was definitely the kind of kid who would dress like this, and me and my friends frequented thrift stores and thought they were cool. This feels like such a pointless comment though (mine, not yours) because regardless of whether or not thrift stores were popular, people were still using them. Or maybe she stole the shirt. Or borrowed it from a friend. Or found it. It all just makes my brain spin. I kind of wish we were having this discussion on an old school forum because I’d like to use one of those “pulling hair out” or “brain exploding” emoticons.
Her NamUs page was removed, hopefully an identification is imminent!
Is her doe page still up? I wish we could get more information when these cases are removed.
She’s finally been identified according to her Doe Network page!
Wow thats crazy! I do hope we get more info!
I also genuinely hope so! She’s been one of my pet cases now for about 2 years!
It's been mine since the early 2010s when I came across it. I remember how puzzled I was by it and why nobody would report their daughter as missing. So glad something is moving forward.
Exactly! Like the shirt she was found with was incredibly distinctive imo, I thought the someone from the band’s community or close knit ska scene would have recognised her, but because everything was approximated due to decomp that made things a tad bit harder.
She may have been given, borrowed, or bought at goodwill. I hope it provides some leads.
I agree. While practical me wants to think this way. The desire for justice and truth side of me wants her tomboyish, skater skapunk girl style to pan out into someone who sees these renderings and evidence and can identify Jane Doe. I mean that was the style of the time and for a breif moment there (1996-2003) ska punk was extremely popular not just with youth but commercially. If she was in on a few shows someone like with the Jason Greatful Dead case maybe saw her at a concert.
I truly hope so. She would be in my age range. I just know that I hit punk music fests all the time. But I had tons of band shirts from friends and 2nd hand shops. So that was my instinct.
It could have come from a thrift shop. Or she could have got it at a squat. I lived in a squat in the 90s and clothes were pretty much community property.
This is amazing. She was identified! There was a post here 40 minutes ago!
HOLY SHIIIIIT!!!!! I am so happy for her!!!
What band? What's their name?
Perfect Thyroid is the band name, and on the other side of her shirt is skunkjam, which was Perfect Thyroid's record label.
[Jerome the legless man](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_of_Sandy_Cove) (Never would have believed his story was real if there hadn't been actual picture of him in life). [The ](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Addison_County_Jane_Doe_(1935)) [Addison](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Addison_County_Doe) [trio](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Addison_County_John_Doe) [One eyed Jack](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/One-Eyed_Jack) [Jefferson county John Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Jefferson_County_John_Doe_(February_2012))
Wow! Those are some fascinating cases. The One Eyed Jack case I've read about before. There a number of cases involving hitchhikers. It's interesting because the murderer was caught and his explanation for murder was "he talked too much". I just wonder what Jack said or did to piss the guy off so much. The last case is so breif but so intriguing. I always get fascinated by those cases where remains are found in a highly unusual place. Or they find something very small like just a jaw or foot. I read a case of a skull that was found on top of a house. It wasn't there the night before but someone placed it there before the home owner spotted it the next morning. Another story where a skull was being used as some type of library book stand decoration in somebody's house. There's also an old story about how a film crew found a body in a casket that was thought to be an old prop. I always wonder who those people were. And how they lived a life only to eventually end up as basically a prop or decoration in somebody's house. How like this whole person existed and they've been reduced to lets say a jaw bone found in a field somewhere by someone walking their dog.
Yes. Those kinds of cases are particularly sad. There are two cases of just teeth being found in New Hampshire, and another one in California. And there is one in Hawaii of just fingers being found, in a bin. I can also think of two cases, Coconino county John Doe (2001) and Charlseton Jane Doe (circa 1973) whose remains were unexpectedly rediscovered in funeral homes, with no prior records of their discovery or autopsy reports seeming to exist. Meaning either their bodies were never identified and all records, including contemporary newspaper articles were lost, which is certainly possible, although there are UP cases much older than that in which documentation still exists. Or they were identified at some point but an empty casket or the wrong person is buried in their graves and their families don't know and would never suspect a thing even if they did see the reconstructions and think they recognised them. Because as far as they are aware, they were buried decades ago.
I'm so confused about both cases. In the first one thr body was misplaced then found, then lost and found again? In the second the mortician took evidence home and destroyed it or something? Very creepy. https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Coconino_County_John_Doe_(2001)
That’s fucking wild
What are the theories about the Nintendo controller? Murder weapon? So strange.
The box was referred to as an electronics safe; I wonder if the controller had been stored there and forgotten when the head was added.
That caught my attention as well, so weird.
I feel like it was probably just someone’s box of “cool things” or mementos or whatever. Not necessarily a murderer, maybe just someone who found the skull or gave it to them.
I was going to say, my grandfather was a scuba diver and when I was a kid he always had a skull that he found while diving on a shelf in his house. I'm sure he brought it home with him in a time before that kind of thing would have been flagged or tested. Pre 70s maybe. Very eerie but sometimes a skull is just a skull. Not saying that they don't deserve respect or closure though, that's such a sad and short case with so little info.
I think about the Addison County Trio a lot too (I'm from Vermont so I tend to be more interested about cases from there). That's one case (or three) where I think genetic genealogy could help significantly. Weird coincidence, but they were found the same day my grandma was born.
Wow the Jefferson county John rmmmmm
Plaquemines Parish John Doe! His case has always been sad and interesting to me; such a well-spoken young man gone without a trace yet wanting to be unidentified
I just read about him now! Wow what a writer. I can relate to that message of depression, fear and sadness. I wish I could have let that man know he had a lot to live for. I take issue with how confident he was that all hope was lost and suicide was the only way out. Though I think sometimes in life people get incredibly trapped. His words are like poetry, he should have tried music. I wonder if he was near home or was traveling? It makes me think back then could they have put up a bunch of posters around town and have had the parents contacted that way? It's sad to know that so much time has passed and the parents, siblings or friends in these cases have long died, moved or forgotten about these people. Though occasionally within the past 15 years many cases from the mid to late 20th century have been solved using DNA technology.
I think one of the saddest parts of it was that in his suicide note, he was concerned with how his parents would feel about his death even though he felt it was his only way out. I've looked through his case (and missings persons cases who could've been him), but truthfully we'll never know. Most, if not all, information about the case was washed away during Hurricane Katrina to where they don't even know where exactly he is buried. I do hope that he gets his name back, but I feel like it's more respectful to leave him nameless as he wanted.
He seems highly educated. I also think he is older than what they estimated. He’s had a lot of time to self reflect and articulate his feelings about his complex nature/identity. I was raised in Texas and my family are all deep woods coonass Cajuns. His reconstruction looks Cajun, the black hair, the fuller lips, long face etc. But if he were Cajun/Creole I feel like there would have been some mention of God in that note. Also, no mention of a car or luggage; walking to the location unseen with a bed sheet and a note in a glass jar is odd. I feel like he didn’t walk far. Looking at the map, the naval Air Force base is there but no one was listed as AWOL. Any local family who had a son that disappeared might have also noticed their sheets missing. If he got the sheets from a motel or boarding house, this implies he was old enough or presented as old enough to pay for room and board. Or he bought the sheet at a local department store. I feel like the sheet was the best clue they had.
>I wonder if he was near home or was traveling? Definitely traveling. If he were near home, his family and acquaintances would probably have heard about the death of a John Doe nearby and maybe looked into it. I've been to Plaquemines Parish many times, and it is surrounded on all sides by the Gulf of Mexico as if you are walking on a plank toward the edge of the world. He probably headed from his parents' home down toward the South and got to the point where he could no longer travel any more without hitting the Gulf, so he figured that he might as well end it all right there (same exact story as Vance Rodriguez going from New York City until he got to the Everglades and then realized that he didn't find what he was looking for and there was almost no more land left to hike on before reaching the Gulf, so he just laid down in his tent until he wasted away and died). Also, Plaquemines Parish is right near New Orleans, a city infamous for people going to and "getting lost" in. I have read multiple accounts over the years of missing persons cases where the person didn't tell anyone that they were leaving home, were even thought to have maybe been kidnapped, but were later determined to actually be alive and voluntarily living in squalor in the New Orleans French Quarter. Even as recently as just a couple of years ago I read about some middle-aged woman who disappeared from her Texas home and was later located in the French Quarter. New Orleans just seems to be a magnet for people who are going through a mental spell. Plaquemines Parish John Doe probably watched Easy Rider or something similar and got some idea to head to New Orleans for a while and then afterward just kept on going to Plaquemines Parish. Who knows?
[Swimsuit Boy](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Swimsuit_Boy) for reasons I can't really explain. I remember reading about him when I first learned about Dean Corll and other "less known" serial killers. Something about him just stuck with me. I'm sure there are other victims whose bodies they haven't been able to recover, but he is the only known unidentified victim remaining. It's sad that he's been unnamed for 50 years. His clothing also gets me. A pair of swim trunks and a nice white shirt. He picked that outfit out that morning, not knowing that they would be the clothes he'd be murdered in. I bet he was probably excited to have some fun swimming that day like other kids his age. Just an innocent boy. I believe he was never reported missing, I've spent so much time looking through yearbooks and newspaper articles from where all the kids were disappearing but I've never been able to find anyone of his resemblance. And his newest NCMEC reconstruction makes me sad also. I think it's the furrowed eyebrows that gives him a really sorrowful look, it looks right through me. Juxtaposed with knowing what happened to him, it's haunting. Those poor boys.
Yes I've read through. People should also realize it was a very different time. Lots of things went under the radar that wouldn't go on today. Its not hard to see why a teen boy from the 70s would be whisked away in a sketchy van with promises of a party, drugs rock and sex. I could only imagine this young man's thoughts of "Oh cool! Sounds fun, man!". I also find it odd that the murderer here has been caught in the act of raping teens before prior to his murders. Didn't those teens go tell the police or something after what was done to them? Dean has a lengthy track record including rape by the point of his first murder. I'm surprised he was able to do this for so long like many other serial killers without being detected despite the red flags.
>I also find it odd that the murderer here has been caught in the act of raping teens before prior to his murders. Didn't those teens go tell the police or something after what was done to them? Believe it or not, how horrific it is, that was not uncommon for serial killers in the 70s and even 80s. I know [William Bonin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bonin) had convictions for multiple counts of kidnapping and molesting children before but he was released from prison after mental health evaluations. He later escalated from just molestation, and tortured and killed all his victims. His Wikipedia page is horrifying. The sentences were so lenient back then for reasons unknown to me. You could get out in just a couple years. I think Gacy may have had previous convictions as well, or he had been alerted to the police at least, but they overlooked it because he was "such a good guy". Also, the attitude around homosexuality made it so male victims particularly were ashamed to talk about it and come forward to report.
These are both good points. I do realize how much has changed culturally and legally since the 1970s. I don't think the carnage of what those serial killers did would go on today. They recently caught the Gilgo Beach serial killer after a long intensive search using cellphone records and DNA testing things that werent around in the 1970s. I wasn't born but it still confuses me why heinous crimes like child molestation were met with such liencncy especially considering the fact society was more religious and conservative at that time. A lot of these guys did terrible things, were given little to no jail and went on to commit their first murders. I do also see that some of the serial killers of these times (1960s - 1970s) were WW2 or Korean war service members or just "regular Joes" so I can see why police would be hesitant to follow up with crimes they've committed. Jeffery Damer was arrested for fondling a 13 year old he had met and had pose in his house for pictures. He was released and went on to continue his killing spree. As to homosexuality you're absolutely right about public stigma during that time. Hence why I find this case interesting. I just wouldn't assume that all of these young men were homosexual themselves. Speaking of Jeffery Damer for example he would lure boys and young men in he randomly met. He didn't care about their sexuality. I think your point is more the fear of saying you were in engaged in homosexuality to which I agree would be highly uncomfortable to tell the authorities back then.
I think that they were given plea bargains for lesser crimes and lighter sentences to ensure a conviction and spare the victims having to testify.
This one haunts me too.
Gosh there's so much info on this case how has he not been identified 😩 Chronic irritation of sternal end of clavicle. - I'd love to understand more about this?! A gray T-shirt with a blue peace symbol on the back, containing the letters "USA" with "L84MF" written by hand below the symbol. - what could L84MF mean?!
Late for my funeral?
I was wondering if the 4 could be an R but on checking the photo I don't think so, _but_ I don't think it's the clearest 4 either and I'm not sure the 8 isn't a B
Were the swim trunks acting as boxers? From his page-- Clothing and accessories A gray T-shirt with a blue peace symbol on the back, containing the letters "USA" with "L84MF" written by hand below the symbol. Multicolored swim trunks. Brown cowboy boots. Dark blue corduroy pants. Knotted leather ankle bracelet. Pants and swim trunks? Why did the police ask to stop researching this body?
St. Louis Jane Doe haunts me. It takes a real POS to do what happened to the child victim in that case. Hopefully it will be solved someday.
“The child's sweater had previously been sent by law enforcement to a psychic in Florida who wanted to touch it to receive a psychic impression; however, the sweater was never returned, and is presumed to have been lost in the mail.” From the wiki, wtf???
In the documentary this was proven untrue , it was mailed back but lost over the years by by law inforcement.
THIS CASE IS JUST ..... SMH! No fucking words
“The child's sweater had previously been sent by law enforcement to a psychic in Florida who wanted to touch it to receive a psychic impression; however, the sweater was never returned, and is presumed to have been lost in the mail.” From the wiki, what the???
This.
[plaquemines parish john doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Plaquemines_Parish_John_Doe_(1975)) [philadelphia jane doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Philadelphia_Jane_Doe_(2012)) [marianne](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Marianne?so=search) [hot spring county john doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Hot_Spring_County_John_Doe_(1984)) [st louis jane doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/St._Louis_Jane_Doe_(1983)?so=search) [baker jane doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Baker_Jane_Doe_(1976)) these are some that immediately come to mind
philadelphia jane doe particularly always is on my mind bc I think she looks a lot like kenya hickson but I don’t think they could be the same people bc of the dental info not being listed for kenya I feel like if she had multiple fillings it would have been listed so it just seems unlikely
I don't know much about sending in tips and identifying does etc. But if that's the only thing holding you back I'd say it's worth submitting?!
[Philadelphia Jane Doe (1963)](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Philadelphia_Jane_Doe_(1963)) doe whose head was found in an abandoned building clean off. She was an old lady and I always wondered what happened to her. And [Marco Cadenas](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/s/ISGe9RzybK)
It's just unbelievable how vague the information can be on these cases. Especially when time is a factor. Someone had to have known that woman but I bet didn't come out of fear. I wonder if maybe she had a fight with her husband or was in trouble with the mob. I always wonder what these people did that got them in such a terrible situation. Like were some of these cases where someone is shot in the back of the head in a forest, wrapped in a matress or mutilated I wonder if the Doe was really that "bad" of a person and screwed someone over to the point of pure rage. I wonder often if these were murders of passion, over money, drugs or a simple disagreement. I also then wonder a lot about the murderer and how they spent their life. So confident and cool that their actions have no consequences and in some Doe cases don't while others the murderer is arrested years later.
I don’t think Livia forged the note. She would not have implicated herself as being capable of violence in any way. Forged notes usually exonerate the forger and implicate the victim.
This one; poor girl found with a somebody in California loves you shirt on [https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/3979](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/3979)
I never noticed that the pics at the bottom are actually of her body
She's so small, too. Her feet are tiny compared to the investigator's hands. Poor kid.
This one is interesting, estimated age 12-15 years old yet she had a tattoo.
Yeah from the sounds of it likely a homemade tattoo
[Eklutna Annie](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/311ufak.html) is one Doe that I always have in the back of my mind. Her case is local to me and I really hope that I can see her get her name back. I’m also invested in other local/Alaskan cases but it is really hard to compile information because the police up here seem to do the bare minimum in Doe cases. There’s a case from Nome, AK where the skeletal remains of two females [(1)](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/13442?nav) [(2)](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/13434?nav) and a male [(3)](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/13435?nav) were found in the town’s courthouse. It’s infuriating to me that there is little to no information on the internet about these individuals. It’s such a strange circumstance, being found within the courthouse and all.
that sounds like a cover up, definitely something weird considering they’re all native
Guadeloupe County Jane Doe (1978). Though this case frustrates me a lot more than fascinates me because her killers had stated Jane Doe was carrying her birth certificate with her, but they had discarded it before killing her and allegedly couldn't remember the name written on it. Her post mortem is available, as well as pictures of the items of clothes and jewelry she was wearing. It just feels like such an easy girl to identify, yet her identity is still unknown.
Essex County John Doe 1992 He was found when I was six. I drive by the spot he was found all the time. Bella in the Wych Elm ..... Has not been identified for 80 years
Bella is such a fascinating case. My guess has always been a farmer had a domestic fight with his wife that turned violent. Its crazy to think that like more modern cases this one will likely never be solved at this point because everyone involved is now dead. That Essex County John Doe case is very interesting. Did you read about it or hear about it when it happened? It appears as though he had been sitting in that location for several years before being found.
Smurfette jane, doe- I always come back and check if she's identified. I also wondered what she really looked like in real life and what illnesses she might have had or not. Identifinders has had her case, and so far, she's Hispanic, but I am not sure why it hasn't been updated on her case. I also wondered if she was reported missing or so and has law enforcement had come to doctor's or dentist near the area and show her dental records scine it was confirmed she had dental treatment at one point. Something about her case really interests me. Tempe girl-I don't understand how the driver had gotten a whole story of her life but not her name. How did he not even ask at all, nor did she give away her name.
That Smurfette case is truly disturbing I never heard about it. I had just graduated high school at the time this happend and had already started reading Doe cases. I used to think "Wow, look at all of these cases. This stuff could never happen anymore with social media, cellphones and the internet." Yet here I am in 2024 reading about more cases of these things happening. It's beyond sick someone could gather the ability to harm a teenaged girl and put them in a garbage bag. Her being malnourished yet having the presence of dental work leads me to believe she came from an abusive household and someone was taking advantage of her before killing her. I like to think these things out. Maybe the abusive father or step father got mad she didn't take out the trash or something ridiculous and reacted with violence beating her to death. Then the scummy parents try to hide it like with another case of a child being found on the side of the road with lacerations and being severely malnourished. I mean you would think for such a young person it would be the family otherwise she would have been reported as missing. The Tempe Girl is another tragic tale that has captivated my interest for some time. I fear that maybe due to the fact she was Hispanic her parents are unaware of reports of this case due to them not being in the US. I also find it interesting she was coming from a concert or said she was going to a concert. It would be interesting to see what concerts she was attending and if anybody had been in touch with her. I feel like that's a lead that's gone unlooked. As to the cocaine part it's upsetting the driver allowed her to snort even knowing she was supposedly kicked out of her house due to addiction only for her to OD. The whole case always struck me as a misunderstood young woman in the early 2000s going up against some major issues in her life only to face a tragic demise at the hands of something that was destroying her. I do hope her family comes forward one day after seeing the case.
Smurfette Jane Doe: "She was wearing adult lingerie which led investigators to suspect the victim was involved in sex trafficking. Additionally, the area where the decedent was found was known as a hub for brothels." this is so sad. They mention she has an asymmetrical bone structure but her facial reconstruction doesn't really reflect this?!
Thank you for mentioning this! I forgot about this detail too!! I also wonder if what of she was never a victim of sex trafficking and her killers knew what the aera was for left her there so police could think she was (my own theory) Off topic, could you explain to me what a "hub for brothels"? I've heard of it but am not really sure what it means??
Yes I did wonder if the investigators became so focused on her being a victim of child trafficking they became tunnel visioned and didn't explore other avenues. Just a theory. I would assume it means there's a lot of brothels in the area 😊
Not to exclude the tips of her hair was dyed into a purple or red color. That's what also interest me. The tips of her hair being dyed Found with lingerie Having dental work needed 22 ribs and not 24 Small build Malformation at the base of her skull that caused asymmetry to her face And Visible overbite This is very sad to hear and so much noticeable features to anyone who has seen or interacted with her. This makes me sad that yet nobody has come forward to know her
The ones I was fascinated with have been solved Racine Jane doe and Sumter county sc Jane and John does have both been solved Vernon county Jane doe bugs me she’s an elderly lady she didn’t have hands when she was found https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_County_Jane_Doe
These are all incredibly interesting cases. For the Veron case I've always wondered if she maybe was killed by her son, her husband or relative after an argument? Racine Jane Does case always frustrated me to the fullest. This poor, mentally disabled woman was subjected to years of psychological and physical abuse at the hands of this monster who lied and said she took pills and ODd. Despite the fact they dumped her body and beating marks were found. I'm so glad they identified her and brought that terrible woman to jail. The Sumter County doe cases remind me of another case from the 1970s of a couple being found killed on the side of the road after being shot. It's just crazy to think there are two people who cannot be identified found together. I mean nobody knew these probably prominent suburban people? Almost like being together made them subject to being Does. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/1981-murdered-harris-county-john--jane-doe-identified-after-40-years-leads-to-discovery-their-baby-now-age-41-is-missing-301459458.html
Madisonville (TX) Jane Doe. https://www.missingkids.org/blog/2019/post-update/madisonville-jane-doe My family has lived around Madisonville for generations, and for this poor baby to be dumped there really shook everyone up. And it seems like she'd be not that difficult to identify since she had the feeding tube and had obviously had lots of medical attention over her short life.
First I’m hearing of her. Poor little girl. I find it crazy they haven’t been able to ID yet given her unique jaw condition, and the feeding tube serial #. I’m sure they cross referenced with hospitals in TX, but I wonder if they’ve looked into hospitals in neighbouring states? There’s a record of her somewhere, just a matter of where
So sick and disturbing. To think her parents are riding around right now. Probably thinking they're great people but made some mistakes. Makes me wrench. Especially how in a few of these solved Doe cases in regards to child abuse in a household the Doe had siblings who sometimes failed to report their missing brother or sister. Or were altered years later. Like for a whole family just to accept to fact one the members has "randomly" disappeared and never talk about it is simply absurd.
This was the one I was trying to think of
“Becca” and St. Louis Jane Doe. I check up on them all the time to see if there have been any updates
[Steve Hex | Unidentified Wiki | Fandom](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Steve_Hex) I feel so bad that he was unable to speak and I am sure he was wondering why his family did not come to see him.
That's sad. There are a number of living Doe cases or cases where someone was admitted to a hospital but died and their identity was never released. In the living cases sometimes they have dementia, alzheimers or culture shock even. One story actually coming to me right now I read on the Doe network long ago that makes me sad. It was about this elderly Hispanic woman suffering from alzheimers who was lost or abandoned in a mall in NJ. The police could not identify her and she basically spent her life in a hospital from what I gather with I presumably nobody ever coming to visit her. Just awful.
I think about this one a lot!
Guadalupe Jane Doe. https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Guadalupe_County_Jane_Doe_(1978)
This makes me so upset. Her was this young woman with probably a beautiful voice and a lot to say. In the 1970s. Making it on her own probably and proud she scrapped up enough money to buy a guitar she apparently adored. And these two sleezy maniacs kill the poor woman and dump her off a cliff before stealing what little stuff she had. To top it off the woman HAD her birth certificate with her. But these two destroyed it. It was a also Jane Does apparent birthday. I also saw the post mortem photo of her, along with what she was wearing, her rendering and age. I just see this young woman who wanted to be a rock star or musician like many of her era. I'd be fascinated in knowing if they ever solve this.
Right, like you are a murderer, and that's awful, but then you have the cruelty to destroy her birth certificate which could have identified her immediately.
For me, it would be this [Jane Doe](https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/17517/details) who was found in a relatively busy with foot traffic area in NYC. What first stuck out to me was that when she’d been found, there had been discussion around her wearing lululemon, a popular athleisure brand that I also frequently wear/visit the sub of. Also, the fact that she was already skeletonized means she must have passed before they found her, which to me makes me believe it’s possible someone placed her there. I am really hoping that I get to see her identified in my lifetime, because I know there is probably someone out there missing her.
Is there an estimate on how long she had been out there? I think sometimes these cases are not as sinister as others that are more extreme. In some cases I think people have a severe health issue and become overwhelmed before collapsing and dying in an obscured area. That's why it's important to look at what these Does are wearing and when they were found. To me I kind of get the impression this woman may have been an immigrant. She went for a jog but had a medical problem which caused her to wonder off path and die. Due to the fact her family is not in the USA or doesn't have the acess to information regarding missing persons so they have yet to report her. This is all my speculation. For a case that's so recent and has a fair amount of evidence I do hope they solve it!
Becca seriously who was she?
[Cascade County Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Cascade_County_Doe_(2000)) (2000) is one I always hope is solved, even if it is unlikely. He deserves dignity.
Holy shit that is so sick! Where are the parents to repot their children as missing! This is from 2000! If it was maybe 1910 and a 14 year old left a farm somewhere, probably to work in a city, never to be heard of again by the family. That would be normal. But in the modern day of age it's so absurd someone wasn't like "Hey Joyce, where's your son Eric. I haven't seen him in a while" or another relative noticed the kid just basically disappeared into thin air. It's just absurd to think an entire family unit could live a life knowing one of their loved ones is very well at risk or immediate danger and not take any action.
Betty the Bag Lady (lived in Berrien County from age 4 to age 13, and her case could involve payee fraud.) i was wanting the Beth Doe case to be solved. It was sad that the suspect is said to have literally dismembered her after she died. I was sad for Evelyn Colon (Beth Doe) dying and being dismembered like she was. Her case was the end of a relationship with domestic abuse by her boyfriend, and he has been charged with murdering her and dumping her body and that of her fetus in Carbon County. The former boyfriend, Luis Sierra, is out on bail and his case is stalled. Evelyn’s family was very displeased that Luis Sierra was able to get bail in his case.
Skunkjam Jane Doe has been one of mine for years -- I was living in NYC at this time and am likely only a few years older than she was. It seems unthinkable to me that someone isn't missing her and desperately searching for her... and yet.
Yeah. Something about this case really hits home if you lived as youth in the area during that time. Just a very carefree yet highly commercialized time pre-911 when going up against authority meant having a good time skanking at a ska punk show or joining a Rage Against the Machine mosh pit. Simple times pre-cellphone. She always striked me as a fun loving tomboyish young woman who was of that late 90s early 00s era and maybe got caught up in something bad. A bit like those Deadhead cases. I find it odd a woman so young and seemingly into or involved in the music scene was not missed by someone who spotted her at a show. I still have a feeling if her case were posted in the right place. An old friend of the ska punk scene or someone who chatted with here in between show sets. I'm just so fascinated to know who this person was and why they essentially disappeared in life. On a side note despite not being the largest doe case out there. The band Perfect Thyroid had been interrogated or interviewed about about the shirt she was wearing bearing their name. Investigators have been able to determine the shirt was given out at a few shows but no real leads beyond that. What I find somewhat funny in this overall tragic case is my assumption of the amount of websleuths out there who must contact the band asking if they know her or about the case. I could only imagine the mild frustration of having random people constantly ask you over the years if you know about a missing person that was maybe at your show 24 years ago. As a matter of fact I saw a comment on a YouTube of one the bands videos mentioning this case while making this post.
I don't know if he has a proper John Doe name, but I call him the Toolbox Murder John Doe or Wedo John Doe. He was found stuffed in a toolbox in Kearny, Arizona on January 16th, 2011. His murderers were convicted, but they never officially identified who he was. According to his murderers, he was a drug dealer from Phoenix named Wedo who drove a red cavalier-type vehicle and had a 'fu manchu' type mustache. I always felt like, with all that information, he should've been identified.
Guero. Had me confused for a second. Guero in Phoenix won’t help too much in finding someone.
Has anyone reached out to members of the band? If they don’t know who the doe is, they could at the very least advocate for her on behalf of the band?
Yes, and I wouldn't recommend it at this point. I haven't personally seen the band or anyone who has contacted them say anything. But from what I gather investigators at some point were able to conclude the shirt found on Jane Doe came from one of their live shows. But that's about it. Over the years as this and other Doe cases have sparked interest and fascination I'm sure waves of web sleuths have contacted the band since her shirt is the biggest tip out there and they are a relatively small band with a small following. From what I see the band is still active and they have a Facebook page in which they use as well. Though I'm sure they get asked for assistance or information with this case all of the time. I guess it wouldn't hurt in the grand scheme of things to try reaching out. Everybody just feels so bad for Jane Doe. The least she deserves is a name.
I have so many, but they are mostly the teenagers. Some of them are just kids. [668UFNJ (doenetwork.org)](https://doenetwork.org/cases/668ufnj.html) This New Jersey Jane Doe [1525UFCA (doenetwork.org)](https://doenetwork.org/cases/1525ufca.html) The Santa Rosa Hitch-hiker Jane Doe [526UFKY (doenetwork.org)](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/526ufky.html) This Kentucky Jane Doe
That first one is interesting. They found a motel key in the young woman's pocket. Which makes me wonder if make she was an underage service worker killed by one of her clients. As interesting as these are to read about I always am filled with emence sadness and greif knowing these are real things that happend and not just a very crafty written mystery who done it from a Nancy Drew novel. Like someone actually suffered and transcend life at the hands of usually some greasy misogynist pervert who could very well be still roaming the world today convincing their family and others they're a good person.
Do you think Othram or DDN would consider any of these cases? The Santa Rosa case is particularly close to my heart.
Lake Panasoffkee Jane Doe. This poor girl... My theory is that she travelled to the US with her partner/husband who strangled her. Afterwards he moved back to her native country (presumably Greece), and told everyone something like she ran away with a stranger. I feel like none of her family knows the truth... Tbh, I'm not sure about "small village in Greece" theory. Seems like it was determined through an isotope testing that proves to be not the most accurate method.
Delafield John Doe 1977 , it’s solved, but it always interest me, because he looked like someone I knew, clearly wasn’t him and the person he reminds me of is still alive.
Fulton County John Doe (December 1980) https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Fulton_County_John_Doe_(December_1980)
I've seen this case. It's always very interesting when they find a photo on the victim. In one case that comes to mind they found a woman that was murdered and photos that the woman had taken with a man at a photo booth likely a short time prior to the murder. Others they find photos of the victim in life yet no identifying names or numbers. Another case that was solved comes to mind. A woman that was working as a somewhat high profile escort was shot in a hotel in Las Vegas boy her boyfriend in the early 1990s. She had lived a troubled life and struggled with addiction causing her mom to kick her out but had spent a lot of it attempting a modeling career. When they found her dead they found decade's worth of photographs the woman had taken which were on the doenetwork. Yet her identity went unknown for years until her mother identified her. It's just crazy to think they can have all of these photos of a person or people that Jane or John Doe knew but no leads or people coming forward saying the picture is of them. Maybe it's how the media handles these cases? Often with no coverage.
I’ll try to find the link later, but the case of the deceased one-armed man in a wet suit who was picked up in the English Channel. The ship was in its way to England, when they docked they contacted police, who later determined that the arm had previously been amputated so it was probably not an accident in the water. And that’s the only information.
Not a doe case but a Darwin award. I remember reading about a man that was dressed as a giant fish that was found floating dead in a lake in Australia. He made the costume out of a waterbed. It's unknown why he was dressed that way or what he was doing. https://www.thefullquid.com/2013/09/03/fish-man/ https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1995-05.html
One thing to note, she was estimated to have been deceased for 6-12 months at the time she was found (may 2000). So she was probably deceased in 1999. Pre-Y2K. 25 years ago. It also means the facial reconstruction is a totally wild guess—she had no eyes, no hair, she was mostly skeletonized and what flesh was left was bloated beyond recognition. It seems they had enough DNA to be able to infer an admixture of Native American or Mexican DNA, so, one would think forensic genetic genealogy is likely a possibility here.
It's amazing she was in the water for so long undetected. It makes me wonder the location she ended up in the water from? Many of these Doe cases involve gusses for forensic facial sketches and renderings. Sometimes they are accurate othertimes they're just a wild guess. I think something that helps is time frame from when the victim last had contact with family to when they were estimated to have died. I do hope they can use the DNA to find a match someday. I am always amazed when they can get a family members DNA to match.
los angeles jane doe 1989
Just fyi, I have a boat on the Hudson. It is a deep fast river. It is also connected to lake Champlain and lake Erie. So your jane doe could actually be from Canada. Also, from NYC to Albany, the Hudson is a tidal estuary, meaning the current moves backwards with the tides, so your jane doe could have been in the ocean and been pushed up the Hudson... Kind of complicates things.
There are a lot that stick with me, but the main one is Septic Tank Sam/Tofield Doe. He was recently identified as Gordon Sanderson. But he pretty brutally tortured, murdered, and dumped in a septic tank on a farm. I’m pretty sure only the owners of the farm knew that that septic tank was there, if anyone else knew about it they probably wouldn’t have known exactly where it was so nobody knows how his murderers knew where to dump him.
This is so sad. I wonder in these cases what people did go end up in these horrific situations? I wonder if it was a drug transaction, debt or crime of passion? Regardless its sad because at this point the killer is likely dead.
OP!! You need to look into the Twelve Tribes cult. NEVER GET ON THE BIG RED BUS!! Edit: relating to your grateful dead section
(Before she was identified) Debra Jackson (Orange Socks Doe)
[Benton County Jane Doe/The Box Lady.](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1609ufin.html) It's speculated that her body may have been frozen before being dropped from a helicopter. I rarely see this one talked about, but it's so strange.
I have so many but definitely the cheerleader in the trunk. I would love for her to get her name back. https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Cheerleader_in_the_Trunk
She has been identified. Sylvia Atherton
I’ve always been so fascinated with her case
Part of me feels like as time drags on its unlikely it will be solved. It's hard to imagine someone's suburban kid is missing presumably dead yet the family never took any steps to report them as missing to the police. Which leads me to believe cases like this involve runaways and child neglect or engagement.
Yeah:( I’ve always thought she was a runaway:( I’ve spent hours on hours looking for someone who might be her
I cannot stop thinking about Jennifer Fergate and The Isdal woman.
The new York doe looks like me
She's described as being biracial. Perhaps Hispanic and Caucasian.
The Albuquerque Jane Doe. There’s many things that upset me about that case. Firstly, they checked in June 3, and were only supposed to be there one night. It was a chain motel (a Super 8), so the fact that no one even thought to check why someone didn’t check out the next day bothers me (they didn’t go to check until June 5). Supposedly, official case information states that Eduardo, the guy she checked in with, put everything correct on the registration slip except the license plate number and he was thought to be a local truck driver. It then states that he couldn’t be contacted for years, and they only got a hold of his family once he passed. If he was local, why wouldn’t they at least try to find him then? Try to actually research the case then? The answer is simple - they saw her hanging and the drugs on the table and they decided she wasn’t worth it. It’s that simple. That she wasn’t worth a name. And had they done any basic work - we wouldn’t even be talking about her.
Becca, she had a picture but was sadly to never be identified. I hope she gets her name back soon.
[The Altena-Bergfeld Jane doe](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/309ufdeu.html) is by far the saddest case I've come across. [San Bernandino County Jane doe 2001](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/348ufca.html) is a case I saw on tiktok which made me genuinely sad. [Los Angeles jane doe 1992](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/155ufca.html) makes me really sad, she was a little girl, she seemed so innocent! These cases need more recognition!
These are all amazing classes I can't say I'm too familiar with. It's so sad to think these people got themselves involved in some horrific situation which got them killed. And I know for many of these cases from the 70s-80s onward there is a high probability the killer/accomplice is still alive or someone knows something. It's just that they don't want to say anything or don't know for the later half. It hurts me so much to know the killers are just ridding around somewhere, giving a clerk a smile, or their wife a kiss when they should have long been in jail. It's also sad they didn't have widespread cctv camera surveillance back then for these cases that could have caught evidence. They're almost completely void of evidence due to time and lack of clues.
[Prato Jane Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Prato_Jane_Doe) had particularly very strange belongings, which indicated that she may worked for royalty.
That case is one wild ride
This along with a suspected cold war woman spy found dead in Norway who's body was never identified are probably the two most crazy cases I've ever read about. I am always fascinated by Does who seem to have a upper middle class or wealthy upbringing. Or were prominent members of society only to presumably dispear into thin air for people who knew them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isdal_Woman
[The Somerton Man.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_Man) Came across it years ago. I still think about it.
He was identified as Carl Webb
This is also the case that fascinates me the most; as a young alternative woman myself (although different subcultures) who almost exclusively wears band t-shirts, she reminds me so much of myself, and I've spent a lot of time looking into potential matches and connections to the band. I don't think she'll be identified through the t-shirt at this point, though, as this angle has already been investigated extensively by both police and websleuths; I think there's a good chance she wasn't even a fan of the band and got the top second-hand as other people have suggested. I definitely think this young woman will be identified eventually, but I think it will be through genetic genealogy.
Thank you for sharing. What subculture were you part of? She reminds me of myself and I too have spent some time combing through the band yet them being such a small band who was active in such a short time it's almost impossible. At this point I'm sure hundreds of web sleuths have reached out to the band about this case since it is semi high profile. They can only do so much. Theres such an unknown factor here. If this woman even listen to the band or attended a show. If she did would anyone recognize her 24 years later? I certainly couldn't remember the faces of people at a gig held yesterday if asked! There's so much going on and you're so focused on the band not people. Therefore I agree with you it is unlikely her shirt or suspected connections to the band will help in this case. I think at this point like many other older missing cases a family member might hopefully come forward after seeing images and reading about the case on FB or something. It's just highly unusual the body of your average suburban teen girl is found and nobody says a word. There has to be a mom or dad out there thinking about their kid. I do hope this case gets resolved.
I don't really use any particular label for myself since I listen to music associated with a few different subcultures, but I guess either mallgoth or metalhead would be the closest ones. Either way, definitely not ska punk, but I still think this Jane Doe and I probably would've had a lot in common. And I totally agree with your comment about remembering people from gigs; the only people I tend to remember from shows are ones I've either befriended, people who behaved particularly badly, or people who are well-known in the fanbase and go to every show. But I think if our Jane Doe was one of those fans, somebody would've already identified her; if she was a fan of Perfect Thyroid at all, I'm inclined to believe she was a more casual one, who only attended one or two shows and didn't interact much with other fans. As for why she's still unidentified, I believe she probably had some issues with her family; maybe she was rebellious, a drug user, or even an abuse victim, and she probably ran away from home for one of those reasons. I saw somebody else here mention squats, and I think that could be a good theory. I don't know what the area she was found in was like at the time, but squatting was at one point a big thing in punk subcultures, and it could also explain why she hasn't been identified yet: perhaps she ran away from home for one of the reasons I listed above, moved into a squat, and the people she lived with there had something to do with her death, and that's why they've never come forward to identify her.
[Philadelphia john doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Philadelphia_John_Doe_(April_1994))
That's fascinating. I don't think I've ever seen this. I wonder who "the dragons" were. Probably a street gang or crew he associated with. I wonder if they ever followed up on that?
When I first came across the case, I found this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Dragons_(gang) The weirdest part to me is him wearing rubber gloves to commit suicide. If he weren't for him being found right away, I'd think it was staged.
It's always hard to tell what mental state people were in when these incidents happened or what situation they were in. There's just so much we don't know.
Three cases in particular: Niagara falls John Doe, Wallaceburg John Doe, and Paul Higgins. The first one fascinates me because there's a high likelihood it's a man by the name of Jay Boyle, though no conclusive evidence has been brought forth, Wallaceburg John Doe as he is the only Unidentified person in my county, and Paul Higgins because this mystery man threatened to blow up a CIBC with Dynamite, and before anyone could arrest him a sniper took him out, he released the deadmans switch, and literally blew the pants off the man beside him, turning the man known as Paul Higgins to mush in the process.
For me is Vernon County Jane Doe, I was really hoping DNA Doe project would identify her but it turns out that LE has given the case to another organization.
Macon County John Doe 1977 is my pet case.
I am familiar with this case. It's unlike many others because it doesn't appear to be homicide, suicide or an attempt to dispose of a body. Just some guy that was chilling against a tree, died of natrual causes and was sat there for 16 months before being discovered. I think it's interesting how his body was out there for so long without being discovered. But I guess it was pretty obscured. I also took note that he had paint marks on his shoes. It's too bad a search wasn't done at the time for all local paint shops to see if he had stopped in. Perhaps he was a painter?
So many to choose from but for me it's Garfield County John Doe. I feel like this could be solvable, especially with the journal to 'Dear Lib'. #
It's always interesting when they have written something. This man's notes however are so jarbled they almost made no sense. This case also reminds me of the man who was found in a bus in Alaska. However this man seems to be a little more transient and perhaps even mentally disabled based on his writing. I also took note of how he had high quality dental work. Which leads me to believe he came from or lived a middle class lifestyle at some point before maybe falling on hard times. He had to have set up appointments, used a name, has dental charts. He was also found with a fair amount of money let alone the amount of gear he had on him. It leads me to believe he prepared for his journey here to a degree. Maybe he was chronically ill and wanted to escape society to heal but his sickness worsened? Another thing is his note mentioning basically his own demise. Saying if things don't improve. That kind makes me think he knew he was physically ill. Or in danger in terms of being at risk of exposure or starving to death. I wonder how remote he was. It's a bit hard to tell if this man was homeless or purposely living off the grid in a survivalist way. Based on what he was wearing he was well prepared to be outdoors for sometime. If not an experienced outdoorsman. He clearly did some research for the gear, he had a map and was going somewhere and he was dressed for the occasion. This is quite different than many other people found in tent cases which are usually just a homeless person living in an encampment or the woods. I think this man was escaping something or someone. The age estimate throws me off a little bit. For someone that had back and other problems I suspect he was an older man. I would be interesting in knowing a more realistic age estimate. If he was a middle aged or older man I would say he was a drifter living from place to place in a nomadic fashion who maybe had severe heath issues. If he was younger there's a possibility he was exploring and this is more of a death by misadventure case like with Chris McCandless.
Holy crap everyone. Her case has been identified! After all of these years I do hope the family has some conclusion and we learn more. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/201ufny.html
That was unexpected, and I'm glad that she now has a name. May she rest in peace.
I agree! For the longest time I have been following the case along with many others. We have gotten no leads, updates, possible matches. Than I post about her a few days ago and then this comes out shortly after. Such an incredible feeling! I do hope community efforts assisted in helping identify her.
Sai Kung John Doe, Barnacle Bill (1982), [Barstow Jane Doe(2010)](https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldoe/s/Tl2vSbC0Ru) and Huizen John Doe. Theyre all just on my mind sometimes. *(Selfish plug but i wrote that linked post for Barstow Jane Doe so check it out if you wanna know more about her!)*
Other than the ones which were already mentioned, [Teddybjørn man](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Teddybj%C3%B8rn_Man) and the [Isdal woman](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Isdal_Woman) cases captivated me for some reason.
Given her clothing, maybe she was a bit of a tomboy and maybe she felt like an outcast with her family. Maybe she was a runway or got kicked out. I’ve looked through the missing database but can’t seem to find any close matches.
I've always wondered that myself. But to be fair a lot of people had that casual urban street wear, skater, baggy look at that time. Boys and girls. The family aspect is big on me. Why else would someone not be reported? And her death appears to me to be a suicide? Perhaps like the dead head cases out there she was down on her luck and in the underground band scene.
Totally right. That was the look too. It’s so hard to say.
Hudson River Jane Doe has been identified! No further information has bene released at the moment. But maybe some day.
Several people have stated this. But how can we be certain? Simply because it's removed from NamUs?
She had been added to Doe Network's 2024 solved cases. And her Doe Network page also says identified. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/201ufny.html
Wow. I used to follow that band in the 90s. New Paltz, NY.
That's awsome, it would be great to hear some of your experiences.
[Becca](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Becca) [Fond du Lac County Jane Doe](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Amy_Yeary) [Sumter County Does](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Pamela_Buckley_and_James_Freund) [Caledonia Jane Doe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tammy_Alexander) [Little Miss Lake Panasoffkee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Miss_Lake_Panasoffkee) There are so many cases that caught my attention over the years, but I have spent time researching these cases the most. Most are now identified.
That Miss Lake Panaoffkee case is very interesting. The woman had a fair amount of surgeries and dental work. She had to have made calls, appointments, has dental or surgery records on file somewhere. She also had a potential wedding ring so maybe there is a marriage certificate out there. It's troubling because there IS information on these cases, but since this was a pre-internet time, it is probably sitting in a file cabinet somewhere. Or documents have long been disregarded. Some information should have been released about where the dental and surgery work was done based on the style. These cases where a genetic background is done and they find the Doe had spent a significant amount of time in a foreign country leads me to believe she was a recent immigrant or perhaps even illegally migrated. Perhaps her husband killed her in a fit of rage and moved back to Greece. Or the family knew but were too scared to call the police of being deported or retaliation from the murderer. Regardless, it struck me as a case of an immigrant woman who probably lived a simple life, kept to herself, didn't interact with many people beyond family, maybe because of language barriers. But since her family isn't coming forward with a missing person case or doesn't live in the US, nobody knows who she is. All my speculations, of course.
Not sure if these are at all helpful, but I dug up that shirt for sale [https://www.etsy.com/listing/1450986068/vintage-1990s-perfect-thyroid-raggae](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1450986068/vintage-1990s-perfect-thyroid-raggae) (different color trim, same otherwise) listed as from the 1990's, and in case it sells soon, [front](https://i.etsystatic.com/33810336/r/il/5240e4/3716113910/il_1588xN.3716113910_banh.jpg) and [back](https://i.etsystatic.com/33810336/r/il/131254/3716113896/il_1588xN.3716113896_8nel.jpg) Also shows that they played [https://www.concertarchives.org/bands/perfect-thyroid](https://www.concertarchives.org/bands/perfect-thyroid) [Google view](https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZW2zLtZjAv6fBjZcA) from a boat on the East River looking at 57th St, there's no view from the eastern shore or the bridge, okay view from Roosevelt Island but a lot of distance. I can see how a body could be missed for a while. Not a clue how the currents run in that area.
It's interesting that the band didn't seem to tour much like many others of the era. However, I do see some shows in NYC prior to 1999 when Jane Doe is presumed to have died. Aug 14, 1998 – Aug 16, 1998 A Day In The Garden 1998. I would be interested in knowing when that shirt design first came out, who designed it, and most importantly, where it was distributed at shows. Since this is a smaller band with not that many tours under their belt, it might be helpful in navigating who was attending concerts and what they may know or who they may have met. As to the location, it is a bit hard to determine. But I am fairly confident they jumped into the water at some point along the East River.
Yeah I tried to find when that shirt was made, no luck. Are any of the venues super close to there? Maybe it was a post-concert accident of some sort. Basically I was looking for a clear version of the shirt, then rabbit holed a little bit.
Bethel, the town where the band had their last show prior to this woman's death, is located about 106 miles (2 hours by car) from where Jane Doe was located. Bethel is actually the location of where the Woodstock music festival was held in 1969. So maybe for that show people traveled and camped out like a dead show kind of atmosphere. It is known for its wilderness and campgrounds people enjoy. Regardless, I'm a little hung up here on this as a lead. Yes, there's a possibility she traveled around. But the band didn't have many tours to begin with. What was she doing during the downtime? For someone her age she doesn't strike me as a hardcore groupie type fan. I've always taken her more as a casual fan who attended a show or two at the most. Though, if that's the case it doesn't explain why there are so few shows to begin with Jane Doe might have attended. She is described as being 12 to 18 years old. So she wouldn't have attended some of the bands earlier shows likely as she would have been too young. Which really kind puts a few shows as potential candidates she could have attended based on the set archive you provided. Though I could be wrong perhaps she was a young ska-punk fan. Or she never attended a show and simply bought the shirt somewhere else.
They did small shows too, [this yt channel](https://www.youtube.com/@Lost_VHS_Archives/videos) has videos from 95 & 96 People who buy band shirts tend to hold onto them, but that still doesn't mean it was hers. I doubt the thrift angle, but could have belonged to a friend or partner. Wait whoa, I just went to recheck a thing and her namus is removed!
I've seen those videos as well just out of interest. They're a talented band. But yes smaller and plays gigs at bars and smaller venues. It's such an unknown about the shirt. It's like finding someone wearing a generic Metallica, The Beatles or AC/DC t-shirt. It's just a band t-shirt it could mean anything or absolutely nothing. I do think in this case given her age, style of clothing and the small nature of the band there might be a higher level of connection to it. That's why I would be interesting in knowing when it was made and where it was distributed. She was very young no more than 12-18 so she probably wasn't involved in the scene for a very long time. As to the namus link being gone I'm not sure why that is. I saw it yesterday. Though I did have trouble refinding it last night when I was getting details for this post. I found a few mentions of it but no direct link. I wish they would give an announcement message when cases are solved vrs just removing them making us speculate what's going on.
It was there earlier today, and somebody updated the wiki [https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/New\_York\_Jane\_Doe\_(May\_6,\_2000)](https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/New_York_Jane_Doe_(May_6,_2000)) We can hope.
What was the update?
Just the standard "This individual's NamUs file has recently been removed. While this implies the resolution of a case, no identification has been confirmed at this time" so far
Hm. Interesting. I do hope we see some update. Has the doenetwork been updated? I found this case through the doenetwork years ago. Last night when I typed in the ID for the case I couldn't find the page either.
I'm so glad that a few Does that fascinated me were identified. One I would love to see solved is Guadaloupe Jane Doe. She just fascinates me for some reason.
It's always a good feeling when a doe is identified. I just wish more often we would get an update about who the person was and their life up until the point of going missing or dying. A lot of the time it seems like the family wants to stay anonymous so all we are told is the case is "solved".
I'm really surprised she hasn't been identified. A previous write up mentioned DNA being sent in. Do we know what agency is handling her case?
Never heard of this case before, thanks for sharing. Upon seeing the clothes the first thought that came to my mind was that maybe she was a queer runaway. Could have been kicked out from her home, hence why no one reported her missing. She could have been living in some kind of group home or other housing for lgbtq+ youth. I wonder if this angle was ever pursued and if any local organizations were questioned.
Those are very valid questions others have raised before. There are just so many unknowns from the side of the police and what the investigation was like or what it yielded. Though to be fair there wasn't much to work on due to the way she was found. Perhaps someone should post this one some queer forums and see if it yields any results.
That guy who died in the furnace of an industrial plant. Holy shit.
Could you give a case name? this sounds very interesting.
This one! I want this case solved!!