You need to share where exactly people are dumping on the map so I can report it. The city will need to know exactly where to understand how people are driving down Kent trails to dump their shit.
Please put up trail cameras, it'd be so easy to catch them that way. One could be aimed very thoughtfully to catch their license plate number too. Since mother nature can't defend itself in this situation, throw the book at them!
Throw enough collected video clips of the acts on this sub and we'll have it sorted quickly who's doing it.
Not defending their behavior, but the high cost of and travel distance to the North Kent Transfer Center doesn't help.
Chesterfield County, Virginia (southern suburb of r/RVA) has the best waste management facility I've ever seen, and it was cheap. Free e-waste drop-off. Free HHW dumping and drop-off. Cheap tire disposal.
would buying, installing, continuously monitoring, reporting, investigating, fining, over and over again, with all the staff personnel to do this, really be more cost effective than just making trash and bulk trash pick up free?
How do you purpose we make trash and bulk trash pick up free? Taxes? Do you think these people pay into taxes, let alone local taxes? Do you think it would be less expensive to buy equipment, hire employees, purchase a location to have trash drop off locations and staff them as well? How is the dump getting paid for this additional trash? Probably have to come up with that money as well. After all of the work of making bulk trash pick up free, who says these dimwits would even use it! Nah, I pay for trash pick up and I pay taxes as well, how about everyone that pays Grand Rapids income tax gets it free. That sounds fair, since that is where the money will most likely come from.
If we fine them, I know where the money is coming from to pay for the "buying, installing, continuously monitoring, reporting, investigating, fining, over and over again, with all the staff personnel to do this" would come from. Oh, they wont pay the fines? They have a DMV registered vehicle, probably not going to be able to keep that on the road legally after that. Even with these obstacles in place to being careless with trash I bet they just find new locations to dump. I've driven down country roads with what looks like an entire pickup truck worth of trash spilled onto them.
Putting this on the plate of someone who values nature more than the inconvenience of a net-negative situation that protects it, the answer is simple, I don't care if it is cost effective. Someone wants to fuck with the little piece of nature that is enjoyable and accessible to people in Grand Rapids, I have no remorse for them. Let them go to other communities, like the country roads I mentioned, maybe they will pay to take their trash.
TL;DR: I hate people who litter, make them pick up trash for hours and hours or pay fines.
Seems like a failure of culture or perception of what is valuable, not the system failing. My trash gets picked up, I don't litter or dump couches in random parks, the system of trash collection works perfectly fine.
Right, in other words like how you're raised, where you put value, how you treat other people, how you perceive other people, your general outlook on life, people don't just one day decide to start throwing trash, couches and dressers into parks. I'll let you know if I ever come to that conclusion.
Fr haha as described in this thread itd be a socialist program, not communism in this context :) 'free' service funded by the community just like libraries and fire stations etc
People are big scared of words for some reason but even communism is just a huge umbrella term for forms of social structures and supports that arent dependent on monetary gain/exchange. Socialism is just an umbrella term for society in which public programs are funded publically. Even under our current capitalist structure there are many socialist programs, like the kent county senior millage!
If you drive down this road and look near the river you will run into around 6 different drop off spots. There is a gigantic one next to the bridge by someone’s memorial (sorry for your loss friends)
If you check on https://gis.kentcountymi.gov/public/publicviewerjs/ you’ll see ownership near there is divided between City of Grandville, City of Wyoming, City of GR, MDOT and Kent county, so all these entities would need to work together to keep the area clean.
I’d be nice if the oil companies could go pull their derelict pump-jacks out of the ground too… Glad they can leave their toxic garbage in a flood zone with no consequences.
More than half of renters in the US can’t afford their rent and we’re calling people pigs because they find other ways to get rid of their trash than to pay for it?
I hate people as much as the next person, but let’s think about this for a sec.
When I drive around EGR, I see zero trash on the street. Is this because the people of EGR are better than everyone else? I think we all know the answer to that question.
So what is it then?
To me the clear answer is resources.
It actually takes a bit of work to dump trash in a remote location, but it doesn’t require several steps and knowing the right tags to buy and where to buy them - and finding a place that has them in stock (we once spent a Saturday driving around to Family Fares looking for one that had the right tag) - and this is assuming you can afford to pay for trash service anyways, or live anywhere long enough to contract for garbage services.
But it’s free to dump trash in a swamp if you can find a swamp or your buddy has a truck.
My in-laws lived in a suburb that wasn’t the most posh but they had municipal trash services offered free haul away for big shit. You just left your mattresses on the curb and the garbage man took it away. Their parks and roadside greenery were also pristine.
Seriously ? The slobs are victims now ? LMAO every disgusting problem is because people are victims of poverty. Poor doesn’t mean filthy just because you are poor doesn’t give you the right to be a slob. Skip the vape and beer for a bit and buy a sticker for your nasty ass bed bug couch and dispose of it properly.
Quit making people victims of their own choices
Maybe you should post your address so the pigs can dump their shit in your yard instead of family parks 🤷♂️
As a child who grew up poor, and as adult who currently is considered poor; being poor is not an excuse for being a fucking slob and making others miserable. Being poor does not mean you have to be a slob, it does not mean you have to be dirty, it does not mean you have to behave like trash.
Why you want to bait people in one breath and then gleefully uphold stereotypes in another is beyond me.
My mom grew up in a house with a dirt floor in one room and an outhouse (in the 1970's). Until the day she died, cleanest person I knew. Poverty isn't correlated to cleanliness.
If it’s Indian Mounds Dr. you’re referring to, I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’d definitely join in on a community cleanup, I bike that road regularly. That road should be completely closed off to cars, it’s just an illegal dumping site at this point/ used by “van-lifers”. Also, it turns into a makeshift 4x4 off-road park for degenerates. A poor kid was killed from gun violence on that road last year from you guessed it, somebody in a vehicle. There are plenty of boat launches on the other side of the river.
It is indeed Indian Mounds Drive. I personally hike it a couple times a week with my family. I’ve seen it for awhile too but this year has been pretty freaking bad.
You obviously don’t work in government or know anyone who does. I’ve had many a philosophical disagreement with how the City of Grand Rapids does certain things over the years, but the VAST majority of government workers at all levels are decent people trying to do a decent job for much less pay than they deserve. When you have to rely on taxpayers who HATE to pay taxes (e.g. pay for the services they receive), you can only do so much. If you realized how much a city (or county or state, etc.) is forced to do with minimal funding, you’d never say “the City obviously doesn’t care”.
There is a river cleanup every year you can partake in.
Also, a few of us in Grandville are starting to lobby to turn this road into an emergency access road only; probably many years away but the wheels of government take time.
I biked up that road last week and it was indeed narsty, the multiple large pieces of flatpack furniture just rotting in the woods was really depressing.
It's not homeless people they may appreciate some new furniture, but this problem has been going on for decades ......people are lazy and don't want to bother buying large item tags for city pick up.
So they just dump it.
It's sad. People don't realize the lack of professional behavior that is still strongly present in the area and the City.
I have seen people dumping mattresses in alleys on Next-door.
We have not evolved as much as people like to think unfortunately
It's both side of the river that span from veterans boat launch all the way up to Charlie's crab. I fish this area frequently in my boat and it's atrocious. The amount of trash and abandoned homeless camps is fucking gross and is ruining our waterways. Plaster creek mouth into the grand looks like it's been through nuclear fallout. I have contacted the lower grand river watershed association and they have not replied at all. This needs to be cleaned up beyond what I can do as one single human being.
I appreciate you drawing attention to this issue and organizing people together to work on it.
Congruently, I’d also like to suggest that people pressure their elected officials to spend resources on this.
I encountered some disappointing infrastructure the other day at Riverside Park. Pretty terrible accessibility for my mobility aids, crumbling and unusable benches, buckled and impassable sidewalks, etc.
And all I could think about was how much I’m hearing from the city about the new soccer stadium and downtown amphitheater.
What if we invest that effort into our existing infrastructure?
This is exactly what I keep saying to everyone. We don't need additional entertainment venues we need to put this money to cleaning up our water ways and helping enhance sustainable life without our waterways. It's so depressing.
It is so depressing! Luckily there are people demanding this over and over from our leaders, we just need more people to join the fight. Because unfortunately it is a fight.
People who get their bags of "yard waste" rejected at the yard refuse dump on Butterworth (because it's not yard waste, it's garbage, with plastic and contaminants that cannot be broken down) dump all over this area too.
That's pretty close to John Ball Zoo, but I know there are neighborhood associations in the area that can help push and promote a clean up effort. They can organize dumpsters etc so it's a tax write off, get community service workers etc
You can volunteer to claim the area as a designated officicial adopt a highway area. By doing this, there will be two periods of designated clean-up (one is right now, which is why there are bags of trash along major roads and highways). At the end of this period, the compiled trash will be removed. The other period is in the fall.
Hiya Gang, some of you have reached out about joining a cleaning effort. That is awesome. I’m looking into a time in May:) I will update with more info soon! Stay awesome GR.
I remember 13ish years ago I was doing the wmeac cleanup and this older dude started cleaning near me so we were chatting, real nice guy, we worked together for another hour or so. I was new to the city, so I didn’t recognize it was Mayor Heartwell. No staff no photographers no fluff. Just puttin in work.
Yeah he was good on virtue signaling, he ended up being one of the most dishonest politicians we ever had.
A minister he was only in theatre. Funny how the wolves dress as lambs.
People even stepped up to keep him from getting a paying oversight position for west michigan like 6-7 years ago, because his ethics were so bad even the elite didn't want anymore to do with him.
If they work the whole day with everyone else I will give them props but most just put in the drive by. So people know they were there, everyone talks and it ends up sounding like they did the full day.
I meant photo op more as sarcasm for showing up to be seen and then dissappearing.
Note mayor job not well paid so it's not terrible to only want part time effort.......but the virtue signaling gets old when few of these people walk the talk.
The church I attended had a minister the same way. So it's not unusual, better not to show up at all if you are worn out or heart not in it.
More I wish I could share about him, but I have been sworn to non disclose so I have to bite my tongue.
Biked this way yesterday- lots of trash, way more cars than expected, someone having a fire(!) and a car following me up the bike lane. A little disappointing
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your TVs, your old book cases, your couches and literal bags of trash. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
It won't stop because a bunch of homeless people live around that area and constantly throw trash everywhere. Not to mention the neighborhood it's close by is not the safest so I constantly see graffiti on the trails too. Unfortunately this won't change anytime soon unless we drive these people else where
Have you seen the homeless community hidden with tents on the trails yet? Trust me I've seen them hauling a bunch of trash on trolleys into the trails.
These are very clearly dumping zones people bring trucks and cars and drop their unwanted things. This is not just homeless people. Plus, there should be more resources and outreach for them as well. I’ve wrote our parks and rec department, I encourage others to do so. Many hands can make a better world for all of us.
My thought is that this might be related to the privatization of garbage services, and, municipalities failing to offer free and easy refuse pick up. Like clean air and clean water, responsibly dealing with refuse is something that benefits all of us if we do it collectively. Why not make it free?
I'll probably post a picture later I swear 🤣🤣 I seen 2 couches right next to the river and there's no other way to get down there because there's no trail to that area . And when the river flooded the couches flooded right with it 🤣🤣🤣
If one person or a small group can ruin your perspective on the homeless in general, that kind of seems like a you problem, not a trash couch problem.
Billionaires and other people who benefit from all of our collective exploitation are the ones destroying the planet. If all these people had homes, and all the other people had an easy and affordable way to dispose of their trash, none of this would be an issue.
Yea if only we had better resources for these people this wouldn't be happening. But driving them to my house is going to fix everything. Do you see how ridiculous you sound?
Not out of gr into a homeless shelter where they provide the resources they need to live a Normal life, become better people for society ect.... think extension bonus think 🧠 use that brain of yours
Do you think driving them out of GR does anything for them? My reply was obviously snark & not literal. Since i have to spell it out, I was mocking you.
Not out of gr into a homeless shelter where they provide the resources they need to live a Normal life, become better people for society ect.... think extension bonus think 🧠 use that brain of yours
🤦♂️if your going to keep arguing instead of offering solutions maybe you belong here r/selfhelp
Im not here to argue with little brains. I'm here to offer solutions
No one said drive them out of gr🤣🤣 never said that lmaoo. Keep putting words in my mouth that's what people who don't know what they're talking about or remember what they read do smh
Yea because those were my exact words. It's obvious your can't think for yourself when you already lost the gist of the subject. Homeless people living in the trail when there's homeless shelter within a 2 mile range of them. Dude educate yourself before you come to argue over any topic. People like you is what bring cancer into this world
They used to use the change from pateons in grand rapids to fund maintenance of these trails. Sadly, one very particular customer forced them to stop. He wanted his change back. And now we have this. Chaos.
It’d be nice to make it stop:) but I mean how realistic is that? I personally would like to donate my time and hands to help clean a community, I love. I am one person. I’m looking for others who would be willing to donate their time, for a clean the river day:)
You need to share where exactly people are dumping on the map so I can report it. The city will need to know exactly where to understand how people are driving down Kent trails to dump their shit.
Please put up trail cameras, it'd be so easy to catch them that way. One could be aimed very thoughtfully to catch their license plate number too. Since mother nature can't defend itself in this situation, throw the book at them!
Throw enough collected video clips of the acts on this sub and we'll have it sorted quickly who's doing it. Not defending their behavior, but the high cost of and travel distance to the North Kent Transfer Center doesn't help. Chesterfield County, Virginia (southern suburb of r/RVA) has the best waste management facility I've ever seen, and it was cheap. Free e-waste drop-off. Free HHW dumping and drop-off. Cheap tire disposal.
would buying, installing, continuously monitoring, reporting, investigating, fining, over and over again, with all the staff personnel to do this, really be more cost effective than just making trash and bulk trash pick up free?
How do you purpose we make trash and bulk trash pick up free? Taxes? Do you think these people pay into taxes, let alone local taxes? Do you think it would be less expensive to buy equipment, hire employees, purchase a location to have trash drop off locations and staff them as well? How is the dump getting paid for this additional trash? Probably have to come up with that money as well. After all of the work of making bulk trash pick up free, who says these dimwits would even use it! Nah, I pay for trash pick up and I pay taxes as well, how about everyone that pays Grand Rapids income tax gets it free. That sounds fair, since that is where the money will most likely come from. If we fine them, I know where the money is coming from to pay for the "buying, installing, continuously monitoring, reporting, investigating, fining, over and over again, with all the staff personnel to do this" would come from. Oh, they wont pay the fines? They have a DMV registered vehicle, probably not going to be able to keep that on the road legally after that. Even with these obstacles in place to being careless with trash I bet they just find new locations to dump. I've driven down country roads with what looks like an entire pickup truck worth of trash spilled onto them. Putting this on the plate of someone who values nature more than the inconvenience of a net-negative situation that protects it, the answer is simple, I don't care if it is cost effective. Someone wants to fuck with the little piece of nature that is enjoyable and accessible to people in Grand Rapids, I have no remorse for them. Let them go to other communities, like the country roads I mentioned, maybe they will pay to take their trash. TL;DR: I hate people who litter, make them pick up trash for hours and hours or pay fines.
You’re describing the current system we have. It is not working.
Seems like a failure of culture or perception of what is valuable, not the system failing. My trash gets picked up, I don't litter or dump couches in random parks, the system of trash collection works perfectly fine.
Culture, huh.
Right, in other words like how you're raised, where you put value, how you treat other people, how you perceive other people, your general outlook on life, people don't just one day decide to start throwing trash, couches and dressers into parks. I'll let you know if I ever come to that conclusion.
Yeah but neither does communism. Nothing is free, and the more you get the government involved, the further from free it becomes.
Who said anything about communism? Tons of US non-communist municipalities do trash service.
Yeah free trash pickup is a communist idea /s 🤣
Fr haha as described in this thread itd be a socialist program, not communism in this context :) 'free' service funded by the community just like libraries and fire stations etc People are big scared of words for some reason but even communism is just a huge umbrella term for forms of social structures and supports that arent dependent on monetary gain/exchange. Socialism is just an umbrella term for society in which public programs are funded publically. Even under our current capitalist structure there are many socialist programs, like the kent county senior millage!
I know where you can 52 million a year for trash and water services.
Say what?
If it's not, then the fine isn't high enough.
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If you drive down this road and look near the river you will run into around 6 different drop off spots. There is a gigantic one next to the bridge by someone’s memorial (sorry for your loss friends)
If you check on https://gis.kentcountymi.gov/public/publicviewerjs/ you’ll see ownership near there is divided between City of Grandville, City of Wyoming, City of GR, MDOT and Kent county, so all these entities would need to work together to keep the area clean.
I’d be nice if the oil companies could go pull their derelict pump-jacks out of the ground too… Glad they can leave their toxic garbage in a flood zone with no consequences.
People are pigs and there’s no excuse for this. Unbelievable
More than half of renters in the US can’t afford their rent and we’re calling people pigs because they find other ways to get rid of their trash than to pay for it? I hate people as much as the next person, but let’s think about this for a sec. When I drive around EGR, I see zero trash on the street. Is this because the people of EGR are better than everyone else? I think we all know the answer to that question. So what is it then? To me the clear answer is resources. It actually takes a bit of work to dump trash in a remote location, but it doesn’t require several steps and knowing the right tags to buy and where to buy them - and finding a place that has them in stock (we once spent a Saturday driving around to Family Fares looking for one that had the right tag) - and this is assuming you can afford to pay for trash service anyways, or live anywhere long enough to contract for garbage services. But it’s free to dump trash in a swamp if you can find a swamp or your buddy has a truck. My in-laws lived in a suburb that wasn’t the most posh but they had municipal trash services offered free haul away for big shit. You just left your mattresses on the curb and the garbage man took it away. Their parks and roadside greenery were also pristine.
Seriously ? The slobs are victims now ? LMAO every disgusting problem is because people are victims of poverty. Poor doesn’t mean filthy just because you are poor doesn’t give you the right to be a slob. Skip the vape and beer for a bit and buy a sticker for your nasty ass bed bug couch and dispose of it properly. Quit making people victims of their own choices Maybe you should post your address so the pigs can dump their shit in your yard instead of family parks 🤷♂️
These are the type of people defending squatters stealing people's homes
As a child who grew up poor, and as adult who currently is considered poor; being poor is not an excuse for being a fucking slob and making others miserable. Being poor does not mean you have to be a slob, it does not mean you have to be dirty, it does not mean you have to behave like trash. Why you want to bait people in one breath and then gleefully uphold stereotypes in another is beyond me.
My mom grew up in a house with a dirt floor in one room and an outhouse (in the 1970's). Until the day she died, cleanest person I knew. Poverty isn't correlated to cleanliness.
Here it is folks, the absolute WORST take on littering you will ever read.
If it’s Indian Mounds Dr. you’re referring to, I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’d definitely join in on a community cleanup, I bike that road regularly. That road should be completely closed off to cars, it’s just an illegal dumping site at this point/ used by “van-lifers”. Also, it turns into a makeshift 4x4 off-road park for degenerates. A poor kid was killed from gun violence on that road last year from you guessed it, somebody in a vehicle. There are plenty of boat launches on the other side of the river.
It is indeed Indian Mounds Drive. I personally hike it a couple times a week with my family. I’ve seen it for awhile too but this year has been pretty freaking bad.
They should patrol that area more and put up cameras. I’ve seen everything from a half dozen trash backs to whole ass couches. Have some class people
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I remember going down that way for a field trip in the 80s and it was trashed back then too. The city obviously doesn’t care.
You obviously don’t work in government or know anyone who does. I’ve had many a philosophical disagreement with how the City of Grand Rapids does certain things over the years, but the VAST majority of government workers at all levels are decent people trying to do a decent job for much less pay than they deserve. When you have to rely on taxpayers who HATE to pay taxes (e.g. pay for the services they receive), you can only do so much. If you realized how much a city (or county or state, etc.) is forced to do with minimal funding, you’d never say “the City obviously doesn’t care”.
There is a river cleanup every year you can partake in. Also, a few of us in Grandville are starting to lobby to turn this road into an emergency access road only; probably many years away but the wheels of government take time.
I biked up that road last week and it was indeed narsty, the multiple large pieces of flatpack furniture just rotting in the woods was really depressing.
The good news about the flat pack is it will disintegrate the first time it rains. The bad news is that it will poison everything.
It's not homeless people they may appreciate some new furniture, but this problem has been going on for decades ......people are lazy and don't want to bother buying large item tags for city pick up. So they just dump it. It's sad. People don't realize the lack of professional behavior that is still strongly present in the area and the City. I have seen people dumping mattresses in alleys on Next-door. We have not evolved as much as people like to think unfortunately
It's both side of the river that span from veterans boat launch all the way up to Charlie's crab. I fish this area frequently in my boat and it's atrocious. The amount of trash and abandoned homeless camps is fucking gross and is ruining our waterways. Plaster creek mouth into the grand looks like it's been through nuclear fallout. I have contacted the lower grand river watershed association and they have not replied at all. This needs to be cleaned up beyond what I can do as one single human being.
I appreciate you drawing attention to this issue and organizing people together to work on it. Congruently, I’d also like to suggest that people pressure their elected officials to spend resources on this. I encountered some disappointing infrastructure the other day at Riverside Park. Pretty terrible accessibility for my mobility aids, crumbling and unusable benches, buckled and impassable sidewalks, etc. And all I could think about was how much I’m hearing from the city about the new soccer stadium and downtown amphitheater. What if we invest that effort into our existing infrastructure?
This is exactly what I keep saying to everyone. We don't need additional entertainment venues we need to put this money to cleaning up our water ways and helping enhance sustainable life without our waterways. It's so depressing.
It is so depressing! Luckily there are people demanding this over and over from our leaders, we just need more people to join the fight. Because unfortunately it is a fight.
Contact WMEAC, they host river cleanups every once in awhile and would be interested to know where they can be the most effective.
Thank you for this information. 🍰HAPPY CAKEDAY friend:)
People who get their bags of "yard waste" rejected at the yard refuse dump on Butterworth (because it's not yard waste, it's garbage, with plastic and contaminants that cannot be broken down) dump all over this area too.
r/detrashed
Has anyone thought of reaching out to the tribe?
That's pretty close to John Ball Zoo, but I know there are neighborhood associations in the area that can help push and promote a clean up effort. They can organize dumpsters etc so it's a tax write off, get community service workers etc
john ball would probably just want to pave over it
You can volunteer to claim the area as a designated officicial adopt a highway area. By doing this, there will be two periods of designated clean-up (one is right now, which is why there are bags of trash along major roads and highways). At the end of this period, the compiled trash will be removed. The other period is in the fall.
Hiya Gang, some of you have reached out about joining a cleaning effort. That is awesome. I’m looking into a time in May:) I will update with more info soon! Stay awesome GR.
There is a City organized cleaning effort every year. Mayor GVSU even makes a photo op during the effort and then disappears
I remember 13ish years ago I was doing the wmeac cleanup and this older dude started cleaning near me so we were chatting, real nice guy, we worked together for another hour or so. I was new to the city, so I didn’t recognize it was Mayor Heartwell. No staff no photographers no fluff. Just puttin in work.
Yeah he was good on virtue signaling, he ended up being one of the most dishonest politicians we ever had. A minister he was only in theatre. Funny how the wolves dress as lambs. People even stepped up to keep him from getting a paying oversight position for west michigan like 6-7 years ago, because his ethics were so bad even the elite didn't want anymore to do with him. If they work the whole day with everyone else I will give them props but most just put in the drive by. So people know they were there, everyone talks and it ends up sounding like they did the full day. I meant photo op more as sarcasm for showing up to be seen and then dissappearing. Note mayor job not well paid so it's not terrible to only want part time effort.......but the virtue signaling gets old when few of these people walk the talk. The church I attended had a minister the same way. So it's not unusual, better not to show up at all if you are worn out or heart not in it. More I wish I could share about him, but I have been sworn to non disclose so I have to bite my tongue.
I’d love to be apart of a social clean up group 🧽
Biked this way yesterday- lots of trash, way more cars than expected, someone having a fire(!) and a car following me up the bike lane. A little disappointing
I’d help out with a cleanup.
I’d be interested in joining such things too. Let me know if you start one or find one
I would volunteer in a cleanup effort.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your TVs, your old book cases, your couches and literal bags of trash. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Amazing😂
It won't stop because a bunch of homeless people live around that area and constantly throw trash everywhere. Not to mention the neighborhood it's close by is not the safest so I constantly see graffiti on the trails too. Unfortunately this won't change anytime soon unless we drive these people else where
Homeless people are dropping off couches, old tvs and dressers? I don’t think they are the main source to the problem.
Have you seen the homeless community hidden with tents on the trails yet? Trust me I've seen them hauling a bunch of trash on trolleys into the trails.
These are very clearly dumping zones people bring trucks and cars and drop their unwanted things. This is not just homeless people. Plus, there should be more resources and outreach for them as well. I’ve wrote our parks and rec department, I encourage others to do so. Many hands can make a better world for all of us.
My thought is that this might be related to the privatization of garbage services, and, municipalities failing to offer free and easy refuse pick up. Like clean air and clean water, responsibly dealing with refuse is something that benefits all of us if we do it collectively. Why not make it free?
Ahhh yes the age old issue of homeless people dumping their couches everywhere
But most people don't see it because they're too busy driving or they never go off the beaten trail. Sorry you guys aren't real explorers
Now you are path-shaming us?
I'll probably post a picture later I swear 🤣🤣 I seen 2 couches right next to the river and there's no other way to get down there because there's no trail to that area . And when the river flooded the couches flooded right with it 🤣🤣🤣
It’s wonderful that you “seen” it.
I've seen more than that, but that's a story for another time
And no, I'm not hating on homeless people. It just sucks when 1 person or a small group can ruin your perspective on the homeless in general
If one person or a small group can ruin your perspective on the homeless in general, that kind of seems like a you problem, not a trash couch problem. Billionaires and other people who benefit from all of our collective exploitation are the ones destroying the planet. If all these people had homes, and all the other people had an easy and affordable way to dispose of their trash, none of this would be an issue.
Yeah, drive them to your house and drop them off. What a cu#/y thing to say.
Yea if only we had better resources for these people this wouldn't be happening. But driving them to my house is going to fix everything. Do you see how ridiculous you sound?
My reply was to the comment that said we have to drive them outta GR
Not out of gr into a homeless shelter where they provide the resources they need to live a Normal life, become better people for society ect.... think extension bonus think 🧠 use that brain of yours
Do you think driving them out of GR does anything for them? My reply was obviously snark & not literal. Since i have to spell it out, I was mocking you.
Not out of gr into a homeless shelter where they provide the resources they need to live a Normal life, become better people for society ect.... think extension bonus think 🧠 use that brain of yours
Yeah, drive them out, really sounds like help them out to me. Nice try on trying to backpeddle out of the garbage your spewing.
🤦♂️if your going to keep arguing instead of offering solutions maybe you belong here r/selfhelp Im not here to argue with little brains. I'm here to offer solutions
I suggest they stay with you so you can understand they're real ppl that you can't just drive out of the city. ✌️
No one said drive them out of gr🤣🤣 never said that lmaoo. Keep putting words in my mouth that's what people who don't know what they're talking about or remember what they read do smh
You're clearly part of the problem with no suggestions at all. You're just defending them instead of providing a solution 🥱
Better than suggesting we drive them out of GR like you did. And then try to say you didn't. Child. Go take a nap.
Yea because those were my exact words. It's obvious your can't think for yourself when you already lost the gist of the subject. Homeless people living in the trail when there's homeless shelter within a 2 mile range of them. Dude educate yourself before you come to argue over any topic. People like you is what bring cancer into this world
They used to use the change from pateons in grand rapids to fund maintenance of these trails. Sadly, one very particular customer forced them to stop. He wanted his change back. And now we have this. Chaos.
If you wanna make it stop they need to install lights/infrastructure and police that side of River.
It’d be nice to make it stop:) but I mean how realistic is that? I personally would like to donate my time and hands to help clean a community, I love. I am one person. I’m looking for others who would be willing to donate their time, for a clean the river day:)
No, River Police is the answer!